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If RR wins and keeps making good to great player selections, I think Snyder will stay away. I worry far less about the owner making big or small football decisions as with him being part of the draft/FA player choice process. That’s the biggest way he undermined all the good to great HC that he brought in. No HC can win if you’re bringing in mediocre talent in the draft OR trading away your draft picks for overpaid or over-rated or over-the-hill FA. Snyder and his lackey GM’s also made incredibly dumb HC choices such as Zorn or cutting HC after just one season (8-8) Schottenheimer.

I think the thing that has impressed me the most about RR is how he is managing the FA market and milking every $ of our cap money. He hasn’t over-reached for FA, which was something that Snyder could NEVER DO. Snyder was always more interested in getting a single “Big BANG” FA each Spring, versus upgrading a bunch of problem areas across the team.

I suppose it is possible for Snyder to finally learn from a professional like Rivera but eventually this team will falter or have a below average season. THAT will be the test for Snyder. Can he stay out of the personnel decision-making process, especially for he disagrees with RR?


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I agree with that assessment. If Ron wins, he'll keep running things. He's a strong enough personality to put Dan at ease.

If the team isn't winning, Dan's tinkering tendency may arise, and with Ron, it may lead to some conflict.

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[quote=irish;1280744]Agree. Winning will make it difficult for DS to meddle and wreck the success. I think RR has a great chance to build on last season since he will have a legit pro playing QB.[/quote]



I agree and that worries me.;)

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The NFL has fined the Washington Football Team $10 million as a result of the league's investigation into the team's workplace culture.

The money will be "will be used to support organizations committed to character education, anti-bullying, healthy relationships and related topics," the league said.

In addition, Tanya Snyder, who was named the team's co-CEO this week, will take over the day-to-day duties and represent the franchise at league functions for the never several months. Her husband, Dan Snyder, will focus "on a new stadium plan and other matters," the NFL said.

All senior executives, including the Snyders, will take part in training in workplace conduct, covering topics such as bullying, diversity and inclusion, LGBTQ issues, microaggression and unconscious bias.

"I have learned a lot in the past few months about how my club operated, and the kind of workplace that we had. It is now clear that the culture was not what it should be, but I did not realize the extent of the problems, or my role in allowing that culture to develop and continue. I know that as the owner, I am ultimately responsible for the workplace. I have said that and I say it again," Dan Snyder said in a statement.

"I feel great remorse for the people who had difficult, even traumatic, experiences while working here. I'm truly sorry for that. I can't turn back the clock, but I promise that nobody who works here will ever have that kind of experience again, at least not as long as Tanya and I are the owners of this team."

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31745729/nfl-fines-washington-football-team-10m-culture-investigation[/url]


Meh .. whatever. Hopefully they actually have a HR Dept and other positions/depts that all the other NFL teams have.

No more skimping on the organizational chart.

With all these new hires by RR to build our an actual complete FO plus this 10M fine .. Dan Snyder low cash flow pocket is hurting even more.

Biggest surprise is they didnt wait until tomorrow, Friday to announce the news.

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Name change tomorrow. This story will die immediately.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1285526]Name change tomorrow. This story will die immediately.[/quote]

Wouldn't surprise me

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Slap on the wrist

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[quote=SunnySide;1285525]The NFL has fined the Washington Football Team $10 million as a result of the league's investigation into the team's workplace culture.

The money will be "will be used to support organizations committed to character education, anti-bullying, healthy relationships and related topics," the league said.

In addition, Tanya Snyder, who was named the team's co-CEO this week, will take over the day-to-day duties and represent the franchise at league functions for the never several months. Her husband, Dan Snyder, will focus "on a new stadium plan and other matters," the NFL said.

All senior executives, including the Snyders, will take part in training in workplace conduct, covering topics such as bullying, diversity and inclusion, LGBTQ issues, microaggression and unconscious bias.

"I have learned a lot in the past few months about how my club operated, and the kind of workplace that we had. It is now clear that the culture was not what it should be, but I did not realize the extent of the problems, or my role in allowing that culture to develop and continue. I know that as the owner, I am ultimately responsible for the workplace. I have said that and I say it again," Dan Snyder said in a statement.

"I feel great remorse for the people who had difficult, even traumatic, experiences while working here. I'm truly sorry for that. I can't turn back the clock, but I promise that nobody who works here will ever have that kind of experience again, at least not as long as Tanya and I are the owners of this team."

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31745729/nfl-fines-washington-football-team-10m-culture-investigation[/url]


Meh .. whatever. Hopefully they actually have a HR Dept and other positions/depts that all the other NFL teams have.

No more skimping on the organizational chart.

With all these new hires by RR to build our an actual complete FO plus this 10M fine .. Dan Snyder low cash flow pocket is hurting even more.

Biggest surprise is they didnt wait until tomorrow, Friday to announce the news.[/quote]

Loverro was spot on this, naming Tanya CEO was in prevision of Snyder having to step aside for a while.

Anyway, this is a slap on the fingers for the cameras, and a tap on the back backstage. He's getting out of there stronger than ever.

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[quote=SunnySide;1285525]The NFL has fined the Washington Football Team $10 million as a result of the league's investigation into the team's workplace culture.

The money will be "will be used to support organizations committed to character education, anti-bullying, healthy relationships and related topics," the league said.

In addition, Tanya Snyder, who was named the team's co-CEO this week, will take over the day-to-day duties and represent the franchise at league functions for the never several months. Her husband, Dan Snyder, will focus "on a new stadium plan and other matters," the NFL said.

All senior executives, including the Snyders, will take part in training in workplace conduct, covering topics such as bullying, diversity and inclusion, LGBTQ issues, microaggression and unconscious bias.

"I have learned a lot in the past few months about how my club operated, and the kind of workplace that we had. It is now clear that the culture was not what it should be, but I did not realize the extent of the problems, or my role in allowing that culture to develop and continue. I know that as the owner, I am ultimately responsible for the workplace. I have said that and I say it again," Dan Snyder said in a statement.

"I feel great remorse for the people who had difficult, even traumatic, experiences while working here. I'm truly sorry for that. I can't turn back the clock, but I promise that nobody who works here will ever have that kind of experience again, at least not as long as Tanya and I are the owners of this team."

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31745729/nfl-fines-washington-football-team-10m-culture-investigation[/url]


Meh .. whatever. Hopefully they actually have a HR Dept and other positions/depts that all the other NFL teams have.

No more skimping on the organizational chart.

With all these new hires by RR to build our an actual complete FO plus this 10M fine .. Dan Snyder low cash flow pocket is hurting even more.

[B]Biggest surprise is they didnt wait until tomorrow[/B], Friday to announce the news.[/quote]

This, Rog screwed up the timing. Think he meant to say release it at 5 pm the Friday before a long weekend.

Rog basically told Dan they needed to punish him without actually punishing him. Well played commish.

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Outside of our little WFT bubble I don't think the average fan of other teams gives two shits about this story.

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[quote=MTK;1285547]Outside of our little WFT bubble I don't think the average fan of other teams gives two shits about this story.[/quote]

Nothing against the victims here and i take sexual harassment very seriously but I agree with you.. Lets be honest the fans give a shit about Wins and Losses, they could care less what the owner is doing

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[quote=MTK;1285547]Outside of our little WFT bubble I don't think the average fan of other teams gives two shits about this story.[/quote]

I agree but that's got more to do with WFT being a loser for close to 30 years rather than team or league policy.

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[quote=MTK;1285547]Outside of our little WFT bubble I don't think the average fan of other teams gives two shits about this story.[/quote]

This is true but the accounting of everything that happened which Beth W investigated…I really think the NFL could have booted Snyder.

I listened to the Kevin Sheehan and Tom pod cast over the weekend and just accounting for everything…Snyder didn’t even get suspended. That’s really incredible IMO

It will be interesting to see if the women who waited for the outcome can do anything else like a civil case with fact uncovered from the investigation

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[quote=Chico23231;1285600]This is true but the accounting of everything that happened which Beth W investigated…I really think the NFL could have booted Snyder.

I listened to the Kevin Sheehan and Tom pod cast over the weekend and just accounting for everything…Snyder didn’t even get suspended. That’s really incredible IMO

It will be interesting to see if the women who waited for the outcome can do anything else like a civil case with fact uncovered from the investigation[/quote]

In a way I'm not surprised at the outcome. The Commissioner works for the owners and I'm sure the other owners don't want to set a precedent that could impact them in the future.

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So rich that the Skins had a 3rd party PR firm reach out to media and press to correct them last Friday saying the Washington Football Team was fined 10 million and NOT Dan Snyder.

Typical Dan move…to act like the fine to team was a personal vindication. In-fucking-credible

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1285611]So rich that the Skins had a 3rd party PR firm reach out to media and press to correct them last Friday saying the Washington Football Team was fined 10 million and NOT Dan Snyder.

Typical Dan move…to act like the fine to team was a personal vindication. In-fucking-credible[/QUOTE]


This whole investigation really made Goodell look bad…again. But I think we can put to bed the league is out to get us every time their is a flag thrown our way.

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[quote=punch it in;1285612]This whole investigation really made Goodell look bad…again. But I think we can put to bed the league is out to get us every time their is a flag thrown our way.[/quote]

Those are two separate issues.

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[QUOTE=MissouriSkin;1285614]Those are two separate issues.[/QUOTE]


So the league is only out to get us in season? Lol.

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[quote=punch it in;1285616]So the league is only out to get us in season? Lol.[/quote]

I don’t think it’s a stretch to think the NFL wanted this to go away quickly and relatively quietly before people began to look at other teams and owners. As for the officiating, I watch a TON of football and have never seen the amount of blown calls and outright bias against a team that I see agains us. Yeah I’m a fan but even people I know who hate the team agree.

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[QUOTE=MissouriSkin;1285617]I don’t think it’s a stretch to think the NFL wanted this to go away quickly and relatively quietly before people began to look at other teams and owners. As for the officiating, I watch a TON of football and have never seen the amount of blown calls and outright bias against a team that I see agains us. Yeah I’m a fan but even people I know who hate the team agree.[/QUOTE]


Idk. All you have to do is go to a sports bar on any given Sunday and you will hear every jersey curse every flag on their team as a bad call. Lol.
But lets say the league has an agenda against us, ie bad calls, losses, etc. What is the end game? Because if there is one it would appear to me they had an opportunity to get there faster with this investigation. Also Goodell could have really stuck it to Snyder and come away smelling like a pretty good guy, makin it go away just looks bad.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285617]I don’t think it’s a stretch to think the NFL wanted this to go away quickly and relatively quietly before people began to look at other teams and owners. As for the officiating,[B] I watch a TON of football and have never seen the amount of blown calls and outright bias against a team that I see agains us[/B]. Yeah I’m a fan but even people I know who hate the team agree.[/quote]

Haha, that's funny. I get why the league might have it out for NE, Pgh, Balt, GB or the other winning teams but WFT has been a loser team for close to 30 years. Most of the games WFT plays are meaningless in the playoff picture. Nobody outside the WFT fan base cares about WFT because WFT hasn't given anyone much to get excited about for 30 years.

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[quote=irish;1285626]Haha, that's funny. I get why the league might have it out for NE, Pgh, Balt, GB or the other winning teams but WFT has been a loser team for close to 30 years. Most of the games WFT plays are meaningless in the playoff picture. Nobody outside the WFT fan base cares about WFT because WFT hasn't given anyone much to get excited about for 30 years.[/quote]

Yeah nobody is out to get this team, this franchise hasn't been able to get out of it's own way since Snyder bought it so they haven't needed any outside influence. The league would love for a team in a major market like DC to be successful.

Every fan base likes to think the league stacks the deck against them somehow. It's just silly paranoid fan conspiracy BS.

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[quote=MTK;1285629]Yeah nobody is out to get this team, this franchise hasn't been able to get out of it's own way since Snyder bought it so they haven't needed any outside influence. [B]The league would love for a team in a major market like DC to be successful. [/B]

Every fan base likes to think the league stacks the deck against them somehow. It's just silly paranoid fan conspiracy BS.[/quote]

You are 100% correct about the NFL wanting a major market team like WFT to be successful.

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With regards to meddling:

[I]In a recent interview, Snyder said the team has made changes over the last year to reform the workplace environment, including overhauling the front office and replacing the cheerleading squad–the center of many allegations of wrongdoing–with a gender-neutral outfit. [B]He conceded he was not as involved with the franchise as he should have been.[/B][/I]

Wall St Journal 7/1/21

You may make of that what you will ...

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[QUOTE=MTK;1285629]Yeah nobody is out to get this team, this franchise hasn't been able to get out of it's own way since Snyder bought it so they haven't needed any outside influence. The league would love for a team in a major market like DC to be successful.

Every fan base likes to think the league stacks the deck against them somehow. It's just silly paranoid fan conspiracy BS.[/QUOTE]


I disagree. The league is out to get us - they just left us with Snyder with 100% ownership. That IS sticking it to us.


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[quote=JackLord;1285642]With regards to meddling:

[I]In a recent interview, Snyder said the team has made changes over the last year to reform the workplace environment, including overhauling the front office and replacing the cheerleading squad–the center of many allegations of wrongdoing–with a gender-neutral outfit. [B]He conceded he was not as involved with the franchise as he should have been.[/B][/I]

Wall St Journal 7/1/21

You may make of that what you will ...[/quote]

That WSJ article was a total joke puff piece. It's true Snyder has backed off in recent years as far as day to day operations go, but he's meddled enough to have an impact. RG3, Haskins, etc.

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[quote=MTK;1285645]That WSJ article was a total joke puff piece. It's true Snyder has backed off in recent years as far as day to day operations go, but he's meddled enough to have an impact. RG3, Haskins, etc.[/quote]

Absolutely.

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[quote=calia;1285644]I disagree. The league is out to get us - they just left us with Snyder with 100% ownership. That IS sticking it to us.


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lol true

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In all seriousness, we have enough crazy conspiracy theories circulating these days without one about the WFT. Teams that do well on the field consistently do tend to get breaks from the refs - whether consciously or unconsciously, there’s an impulse to support a star system, which the fans want. Until we start winning consistently, those breaks aren’t likely to go our way.

Let’s hope that this season signals the beginning of sustained success. I am more optimistic than usual - our D should be ferocious, we’ve added some good skills players on offense, and I have confidence in our coach (and more importantly, the players seem to). We have a pretty rough schedule but it’s time to pull up our big boy pants and see what the team is made of. If we can stay healthy and if Fitz can curb the turnovers, I don’t think there is another team we can’t beat in any given Sunday. It’s been a long time since I thought that was true. As in decades since I thought that was true.


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Snyder is such a douche, tool, coward etc.. The guy is a pussy. He can't even do any interviews w/ local media. The less we see or hear from him the better.

Not really sure how much better Tanya will be. What does she know about football and how to run a team? They both just need to stay out of the way cause neither imo are capable.

The only reason we are where we are w/ competent people is because I feel Snyder knew he had some issues coming down on him and he had no choice but to clean it up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1285650]Snyder is such a douche, tool, coward etc.. The guy is a pussy. He can't even do any interviews w/ local media. The less we see or hear from him the better.

Not really sure how much better Tanya will be. What does she know about football and how to run a team? They both just need to stay out of the way cause neither imo are capable.

The only reason we are where we are w/ competent people is because I feel Snyder knew he had some issues coming down on him and he had no choice but to clean it up.[/quote]

All she has to do is be smart enough to say “Ron, you and Martin got this. Let me know if you need anything”.

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[quote=MTK;1285645]That WSJ article was a total joke puff piece. It's true Snyder has backed off in recent years as far as day to day operations go, but he's meddled enough to have an impact. RG3, Haskins, etc.[/quote]

I think in recent years DS has been as involved as ever but became much better at appearing to have backed off. As long as DS is the owner he will meddle at every level. He cant help it it's who he is.

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[quote=JackLord;1285642]With regards to meddling:

[I]In a recent interview, Snyder said the team has made changes over the last year to reform the workplace environment, including overhauling the front office and replacing the cheerleading squad–the center of many allegations of wrongdoing–with a gender-neutral outfit. [B]He conceded he was not as involved with the franchise as he should have been.[/B][/I]

Wall St Journal 7/1/21

You may make of that what you will ...[/quote]

That is what us fans want more Dan Snyder. More DS = problems solved

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[quote=irish;1285668]I think in recent years DS has been as involved as ever but became much better at appearing to have backed off. As long as DS is the owner he will meddle at every level. He cant help it it's who he is.[/quote]

Sadly, I agree. He really cannot help it.

I am conversant in football and i would love to own a team. But I have no illusions that I could transform into a Bobby Beatherd.

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Random occasion to say Al Galdi is doing a great job on his podcast bringing quality guests. (Ie Brandon Thorn for an in depth talk about our DL and OL, episode 85).

On episode 97 he had a labor an employment lawyer talk about the Wilkinson report, solid listen:

[url]https://toppodcast.com/podcast_feeds/the-al-galdi-podcast/[/url]

Basically the guy trusts that Beth did a solid and thorough [I]investigation[/I] job, that she wasn't impeded in any way... but once the investigation part is done, she refers to her [I]client[/I], and the [I]client[/I] decides what is to be publicly said. Attorney-client privilege can only be waived by the later, not the former.

On the suspension-not-suspension thing, he said Snyder doesn't seem like a guy who would voluntarily step aside, nor want to publicly say he's stepping aside. So the league and/or Wilkinson probably had a more "suspension-like suspension" in mind, but Snyder negotiated a way to put it out there with less ego hurting words.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1285709]Random occasion to say Al Galdi is doing a great job on his podcast bringing quality guests. (Ie Brandon Thorn for an in depth talk about our DL and OL, episode 85).

On episode 97 he had a labor an employment lawyer talk about the Wilkinson report, solid listen:

[url]https://toppodcast.com/podcast_feeds/the-al-galdi-podcast/[/url]

Basically the guy trusts that Beth did a solid and thorough [I]investigation[/I] job, that she wasn't impeded in any way... but once the investigation part is done, she refers to her [I]client[/I], and the [I]client[/I] decides what is to be publicly said. Attorney-client privilege can only be waived by the later, not the former.

On the suspension-not-suspension thing, he said Snyder doesn't seem like a guy who would voluntarily step aside, nor want to publicly say he's stepping aside. So the league and/or Wilkinson probably had a more "suspension-like suspension" in mind, but Snyder negotiated a way to put it out there with less ego hurting words.[/quote]

I don't understand why the NFL admitted to the fact that there's no report. They could have easily said, she wrote a report, we're just not going to make it public.

Also, the people that are complaining about the fact that Deflagate resulted in a 139-page report, really don't realize that it was an owner(s) vs. owner situation.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1285724]I don't understand why the NFL admitted to the fact that there's no report. They could have easily said, she wrote a report, we're just not going to make it public.

Also, the people that are complaining about the fact that Deflagate resulted in a 139-page report, really don't realize that it was an owner(s) vs. owner situation.[/quote]

Oh there's a report. Basically the guy said you give the report to the client, and sometime it can be a good tool to be put out there as to say "see how much we did to look into and fix this issue ?"... but sometimes there's just to much that could be hurtful and an oral statement is best.
The lawyer said he was actually quite surprised that the written statement put out by the NFL was longer and more detailed than they needed to be.

They tried to answered as many questions as they could without giving us the real thing.

Anyway, it's all good for Snyder, does enough to be able to put it under the rug and move on without actually hurting nor significantly punishing him.

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[quote=MTK;1285629]Yeah nobody is out to get this team, this franchise hasn't been able to get out of it's own way since Snyder bought it so they haven't needed any outside influence. The league would love for a team in a major market like DC to be successful.

Every fan base likes to think the league stacks the deck against them somehow. It's just silly paranoid fan conspiracy BS.[/quote]

The research on negativity bias in social emotional actions is pretty validated. It is one of the reasons one bad experience at a restaurant is enough for people to quit going to their favorite restaurant. Fans of a sports team are probably the worst at it.

Anyways here is a recent theses paper that looks at individual referee bias and also team penalties. It is pretty easy language. The shocker? Washington is right in the middle when it comes to penalty rates. The biggest factors that influenced penalty rates? Unfamiliarity by a team to rule changes and organizational culture. [url]https://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1502&context=honors_theses[/url]

If we truly want to tip scales in our favor here is an article putting in laymen's terms showing a sideline bias. Basically if we run plays toward Washington sidelines calls are more likely to go in our favor. [url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nfl-coaches-yell-at-refs-because-it-freakin-works/[/url]

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This is crazy. First time in Snyder’s ownership that the team increased in relative value?! Also interesting every team wen’t up by 11% value but salary cap is cut. Hmmm
[url]https://apple.news/AWk97ZX0TRu-M1NpBhuLjFQ[/url]

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1287029]This is crazy. First time in Snyder’s ownership that the team increased in relative value?! Also interesting every team wen’t up by 11% value but salary cap is cut. Hmmm

[url]https://apple.news/AWk97ZX0TRu-M1NpBhuLjFQ[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah. Players union has to feel they got suckered with the covid salary cap deal. Bet it jumps up the next 3 years, hopefully good news for us.

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