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[QUOTE=mooby;1302066]Imagine saying this a month ago lol.



Funny how the times change.[/QUOTE]Lol I thought the same thing when I typed it.

Does anyone know what happened to him anyway? If I remember correctly, Collins played whole game last Mon. Did he get injured during practice or something?

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He got hurt at end of game .. Everette was in for him when Wilson threw TD …

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1302037]JDM and Collins both out.. huge blows[/quote]

Add St.Juste and Schweitzer

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Wonder what the plan is for pressuring Carr. I feel like if you rush four and play zone he will pick you apart, but it doesn't appear to be a good idea to blitz him much either...

[url]https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/19/raiders-qb-derek-carr-leads-the-nfl-in-passing-yards-vs-blitz/[/url]

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[quote=GridIron26;1302063]Ouch.. It will be interesting to see what JDR's plans are to replace Collins - it will be tough task.[/quote]

I could see Khaleke Hudson taking on that role if need be.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1302072]Wonder what the plan is for pressuring Carr. I feel like if you rush four and play zone he will pick you apart, but it doesn't appear to be a good idea to blitz him much either...

[url]https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/19/raiders-qb-derek-carr-leads-the-nfl-in-passing-yards-vs-blitz/[/url][/quote]

His O-line is not that good, Alex Leatherwood is the holding king.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1302081]His O-line is not that good, Alex Leatherwood is the holding king.[/quote]

Not like they'll call it when it's us 😅😅😅😅

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Man, we win a few tight games against shit competition and suddenly were world beaters round here.

Yall MF's ALL got Stockholm Syndrome.

We ain't beating the Raiders, we ain't beating Dallas twice, we ain't beating Philly twice. None of those things are happening.

Were not a playoff contender. Tired of hearing we have the last playoff spot. Does the season end today? No?

Then that dont mean shit.

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I doubt we win this game. Too many injuries, also traveling across county on a short week. I think not having McKissic is going to hurt.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302096]Man, we win a few tight games against shit competition and suddenly were world beaters round here.

Yall MF's ALL got Stockholm Syndrome.

We ain't beating the Raiders, we ain't beating Dallas twice, we ain't beating Philly twice. None of those things are happening.

Were not a playoff contender. Tired of hearing we have the last playoff spot. Does the season end today? No?

Then that dont mean shit.[/quote]

👎👎Not sure I would call the SB champs shit competition.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302096]Man, we win a few tight games against shit competition and suddenly were world beaters round here.

Yall MF's ALL got Stockholm Syndrome.

We ain't beating the Raiders, we ain't beating Dallas twice, we ain't beating Philly twice. None of those things are happening.

Were not a playoff contender. Tired of hearing we have the last playoff spot. Does the season end today? No?

Then that dont mean shit.[/QUOTE]You think TB is shit competition?

The team has put together excellent drives and games. There seems to be a cohesiveness that wasn't there early. Finally getting more from LT and anything from Curtis Samuel will be huge for an offense that has shown the ability to move the ball.

Did you see Dallas Thursday against shit competition? They ain't what there record implies.

Did you see the Philli v NYG game neither of those teams were lights out either.

At this point in the season it's always about which team has the heart and will to eke out those December wins. I choose to think WFT has shown that type of moxie the last few weeks and can keep showing it.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1302098][emoji107][emoji107]Not sure I would call the SB champs shit competition.[/QUOTE]Uh huh. Yall tell yourself whatever you want.

We are trash, we are not winning out, were not going to the playoffs.

TB had a bad game and that makes us contenders? FOH.

Yall worse than the Cowboys SB every year guys. Ugh.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1302098][emoji107][emoji107]Not sure I would call the SB champs shit competition.[/QUOTE]I would and I just did.

TB is miles away from what they were last year. They played a bad away game against a team off bye.

Read I to it what yall want but we are NOT a good team. Period.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302102]I would and I just did.

TB is miles away from what they were last year. They played a bad away game against a team off bye.

Read I to it what yall want but we are NOT a good team. Period.[/QUOTE]I think this game will say a lot about what type of team this is. The last few games could all be illusions and you would be shown correct, or the team has found some cohesiveness and strength in a league that only has a few top tier teams.

None of our remaining opponents are top tier, unless we find a way into the playoffs. For this week, at least, I prefer to think the team is grinding it's way into a solid contender.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1302104]I think this game will say a lot about what type of team this is. The last few games could all be illusions and you would be shown correct, or the team has found some cohesiveness and strength in a league that only has a few top tier teams.

None of our remaining opponents are top tier, unless we find a way into the playoffs. For this week, at least, I prefer to think the team is grinding it's way into a solid contender.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Hoping for something is one thing but all the cats here talking crazy gets on my nerves to no end.

That's why we cant have any meaningful change. We are a shit team, got drummes to start the season and got exposed. Now that injuries have hit some teams, we all of a sudden world beaters with a solid roster and HOF level coaching staff?

F
O
H


We do the same shit every goddam year.

Start 2-7, win a few games in the middle, crap the bed down the stretch enough to hit 7-9 8-8 letting delusional fans think were a few pieces from being good.

We suck.

We have sucked for 20 year and will suck for the next 20.

Is Dan Snyder still here?

That's the only question that decides whether we are a good team or not.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302096]Man, we win a few tight games against shit competition and suddenly were world beaters round here.

Yall MF's ALL got Stockholm Syndrome.

We ain't beating the Raiders, we ain't beating Dallas twice, we ain't beating Philly twice. None of those things are happening.

Were not a playoff contender. Tired of hearing we have the last playoff spot. Does the season end today? No?

Then that dont mean shit.[/quote]

I don't see anyone calling this team world beaters. What I see is acknowledgement that the team is improving, which didn't look likely early in the season. You can hate or be pessimistic all you want, but they are on a three-game winning streak, which has only happened eight times in the last 20 years...

It's ok to acknowledge improvement, and hope that it is a sign that things are turning around. Maybe they are turning a corner, and maybe they aren't. Maybe the injuries will derail the streak, or maybe they just aren't as good as they have looked recently. Every week is going to give us more of a glimpse of what this team is made of, but you can't say this team isn't a playoff contender when they are currently in a playoff spot. No the season doesn't end today, but playoff contention actually means that a team still has a chance to make it to the playoffs - and they do.

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I think we're showing real progress, although our offense has been weakening a bit.
Starting with Green Bay
Green Bay: 0 punts, no placekicker, playcalling as though we needed TDs not field goals
Denver: 1 punt, no placekicker
TB: 2 punts
Carolina: 3 punts
Seattle: 5 punts (one less than the 4 prior games combined)
And this is all happening without having an exceptional number of turnovers.

THs interceptions during these 5 games?
A hail mary with 2 seconds left in the half, a pass on 4th down on what it appeared would be our last time touching the ball (defense got it back with a strip), and a forced throw on 3rd and long down by 17 with 6 minutes left. I like the fact that we have a QB who puts more importance on winning than he does in his stats. (Also, there was a game where TH started 15 of 17? The other two were drops. So his first 17 passes hit his receivers in the hands.) He's also adapted to his new strength (remember his off-season conditioning program), or do you see him overshooting receivers a lot in the middle?

Also we could have won them all if we had a placekicker for all the games.
(I should also mention that in the 2 games we lost, our average possession yielded a drive was over 50 yards.)

Something huge is that they are playing as a unit, i.e. nobody feels like they have to do more than their job. This is keeping everybody on their assignments, resulting in far better team play.

On the other hand, while getting Logan Thomas back is huge (especially for our red zone offense), our injuries for this game are major and may cause some of the players to try to play more than their position, resulting in a lack of cohesiveness.
I also hope our placekicker is adequate.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302102]I would and I just did.

TB is miles away from what they were last year. They played a bad away game against a team off bye.

Read I to it what yall want but we are NOT a good team. Period.[/quote]

I like the energy. We always need a good heel around here - it sparks good discussion.

I'm not delusional, don't think this is the start of some magical run and I'm still nervous every time I see Heinicke drop back. But only time will tell if it means something or if it's a brief respite from our long term brand of mediocre football.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302105]Hoping for something is one thing but all the cats here talking crazy gets on my nerves to no end.

That's why we cant have any meaningful change. We are a shit team, got drummes to start the season and got exposed. Now that injuries have hit some teams, we all of a sudden world beaters with a solid roster and HOF level coaching staff?

F
O
H


We do the same shit every goddam year.

Start 2-7, win a few games in the middle, crap the bed down the stretch enough to hit 7-9 8-8 letting delusional fans think were a few pieces from being good.

We suck.

We have sucked for 20 year and will suck for the next 20.

Is Dan Snyder still here?

That's the only question that decides whether we are a good team or not.[/quote]

You will not be invited to my Redwolves Super Bowl party.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1302116]You will not be invited to my Redwolves Super Bowl party.[/QUOTE]You mean the Commanders SB party? I actually woulda been ok with Redwolves but man Commanders is the nut low.

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The raiders are a good team and have had good wins and played well. Fast defense, great front 7 and offensive weapons for sure. I don't see the travel, refs or the injuries playing well for us at all. It's a lot to overcome and will 5skr something of storybook game but sadly I just don't have high hopes for tomorrow. Best of luck to us

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[QUOTE=Meks;1302126]The raiders are a good team and have had good wins and played well. Fast defense, great front 7 and offensive weapons for sure. I don't see the travel, refs or the injuries playing well for us at all. It's a lot to overcome and will 5skr something of storybook game but sadly I just don't have high hopes for tomorrow. Best of luck to us[/QUOTE]


You really gotta stop with the refs. The game didn’t even start yet. Lol.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302105]Hoping for something is one thing but all the cats here talking crazy gets on my nerves to no end.

That's why we cant have any meaningful change. We are a shit team, got drummes to start the season and got exposed. Now that injuries have hit some teams, we all of a sudden world beaters with a solid roster and HOF level coaching staff?

F
O
H


We do the same shit every goddam year.

Start 2-7, win a few games in the middle, crap the bed down the stretch enough to hit 7-9 8-8 letting delusional fans think were a few pieces from being good.

We suck.

We have sucked for 20 year and will suck for the next 20.

Is Dan Snyder still here?

That's the only question that decides whether we are a good team or not.[/QUOTE]


PTSD …..Post Traumatic Skins Disorder.

I suffer from it to. We surely have been near the bottom of the league when you combine the last 30, not 20 , years.

But if I want to continue to watch my favorite sport I can only live in the now, and can’t let Snyder into my head anymore. And right now we are coming off a three game win streak and have two different possible paths to the playoffs.

I don’t know why this team starts slow, but it is a 17 game season and we are in position to win more games than we lose. Forget the past, it will drive you insane with anger.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1302127]You really gotta stop with the refs. The game didn’t even start yet. Lol.[/QUOTE]Hes probably not wrong though.

You see that Block In the Back Call against NO vs Dallas?

The NFL loves the Cowboys and will make sure they get it in, even if it means making sure we lose to solidify their spot.

Anyone thinking I'm crazy? That's cool.

My box of aluminum foil for covering food came with a free hat so ima wear it.

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Yes the league, and officials will do anything in their power to make sure we lose so the Cowboys get in. Lol.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1302128]PTSD …..Post Traumatic Skins Disorder.

I suffer from it to. We surely have been near the bottom of the league when you combine the last 30, not 20 , years.

But if I want to continue to watch my favorite sport I can only live in the now, and can’t let Snyder into my head anymore. And right now we are coming off a three game win streak and have two different possible paths to the playoffs.

I don’t know why this team starts slow, but it is a 17 game season and we are in position to win more games than we lose. Forget the past, it will drive you insane with anger.[/QUOTE]You're not wrong.

It's just crazy hard for me to forget the past and what we really are.

I did it for years, getting hype before the seasons and just being CRUSHED when we started 2-6 or worse.

I've just woken up to the fact that truly, as long as Dan Snyder is here, we are doomed to suckage.

No amount of players, talent, coaches, new stadium, name change, salary cap, 1st round picks, HOF QB will EVER change that. We will never sniff a Superbowl while myself and Dan Snyder are alive.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1302131]Yes the league, and officials will do anything in their power to make sure we lose so the Cowboys get in. Lol.

[IMG]https://media3.giphy.com/media/CKrlUi30dn44w/giphy.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]Have you not been watching this year?

Since they legalized the sports betting aspect, it's been crazy obvious.

Calls made in every game, every week that are total BS but effect winner, totals and spread.

The NFL obv has their favorites they want in as big market teams for eyeballs on TVS and merchandise; dont think I'm going too far off the deep end there.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302132]You're not wrong.

It's just crazy hard for me to forget the past and what we really are.

I did it for years, getting hype before the seasons and just being CRUSHED when we started 2-6 or worse.

I've just woken up to the fact that truly, as long as Dan Snyder is here, we are doomed to suckage.

No amount of players, talent, coaches, new stadium, name change, salary cap, 1st round picks, HOF QB will EVER change that. We will never sniff a Superbowl while myself and Dan Snyder are alive.[/QUOTE]


Well I don’t think anyone here thinks we are winning a superbowl anytime soon, or that Snyder is a good owner. But it is nice that we are playing relevant games in December and we aint Detroit.

Ive said before that Snyder hoisting a Lombardi trophy with his shit little smile after all these years of making us a laughing stock would actually ruin the moment for me BUT i find solace in the fact that no man alive - fan or not - would give Snyder an ounce of credit for anything so i will take it.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302133]Have you not been watching this year?

Since they legalized the sports betting aspect, it's been crazy obvious.

Calls made in every game, every week that are total BS but effect winner, totals and spread.

The NFL obv has their favorites they want in as big market teams for eyeballs on TVS and merchandise; dont think I'm going too far off the deep end there.[/QUOTE]


I do. Arizona is the best team in the league. If their plan is to make sure that Dallas is in the Superbowl they are failing miserably. And with my own eyes I watched the Raiders get a ton of calls on turkey day.

Baltimore, Tennessee, Arizona, Tampa. Big markets? Nope. All first place teams. New York is a pretty big market. Dont seem to be helping the Giants or Jets. Maybe the league is confused and thinks Buffalo is the major city there? Or maybe it actually comes down to talent and not conspiracies?

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1302134]Well I don’t think anyone here thinks we are winning a superbowl anytime soon, or that Snyder is a good owner. But it is nice that we are playing relevant games in December and we aint Detroit.

Ive said before that Snyder hoisting a Lombardi trophy with his shit little smile after all these years of making us a laughing stock would actually ruin the moment for me BUT i find solace in the fact that no man alive - fan or not - would give Snyder an ounce of credit for anything so i will take it.[/QUOTE]The we ain't Detriot line kills me.

That's how far we have fallen.

Hey! At least were not Detroit! [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302136]The we ain't Detriot line kills me.

That's how far we have fallen.

Hey! At least were not Detroit! [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][/QUOTE]


My point was that at 5-7 and in the 7th seed for the playoffs on a three game win streak including the super bowl champs is a strange time to be sick of it all. Where were you when we were 2-6 and couldn’t get out of our own way?

Detroit is winless so at any point their fan base has every right to complain.

I am a semi rational fan. When we lose to teams we should beat, or when we beat ourselves I will call them out. But when we are on a three game win streak, and in the playoff hunt I will applaud. That is how it works. Just a strange time for you to be calling them out is all.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1302106]I don't see anyone calling this team world beaters. What I see is acknowledgement that the team is improving, which didn't look likely early in the season. You can hate or be pessimistic all you want, but they are on a three-game winning streak, which has only happened eight times in the last 20 years...

It's ok to acknowledge improvement, and hope that it is a sign that things are turning around. Maybe they are turning a corner, and maybe they aren't. Maybe the injuries will derail the streak, or maybe they just aren't as good as they have looked recently. Every week is going to give us more of a glimpse of what this team is made of, but you can't say this team isn't a playoff contender when they are currently in a playoff spot. No the season doesn't end today, but playoff contention actually means that a team still has a chance to make it to the playoffs - and they do.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. We all know I was leading the hate movement earlier. But there was reason to. This is an awkward time to be upset about this franchise. I mean three games doesn’t erase 30 years, but hell if i think they are starting to dig their way out Im gonna stfu and pray. Lol.

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I am not sure i follow the tin foil hat theory that the games are fixed by Vegas, it really doesn't make sense. If they adjust the game to fit the line well there are bets placed on both sides of the lines. Plus in reality there are many many lines for one game, you have the normal line then the teaser line super teaser line and a reverse teaser to name a few.

I just think its bad officiating.

I guess for the tin foils identify three games where a bad call changed the out come of the line for a game, i bet you can not.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;1302130]Hes probably not wrong though.

You see that Block In the Back Call against NO vs Dallas?

The NFL loves the Cowboys and will make sure they get it in, even if it means making sure we lose to solidify their spot.

Anyone thinking I'm crazy? That's cool.

My box of aluminum foil for covering food came with a free hat so ima wear it.[/QUOTE]I actually think that if anything, the NFL would give us some calls this week to make sure the NFC East ends competitive where the Raiders, Denver, and KC are close enough for a good division race.

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As per today well, short week, travel, good team, more banged up than them - if we lose and it isn’t embarrassing I can deal with it. Still would have a road to wc and technically division. Giants, eagles twice - that “should” be 8 wins based on what those teams are doing. Two big games against Dallas but they seem much more winnable now than they did based on both of our recent performances.

If we win today it is really really to be commended. And would make me feel real good about a playoff birth. I feel like they have been such a TEAM - next man up, all on board. It is definitely a credit to RR. Hope they play their fuckin hearts out today. Really can’t imagine them not right now. They got that feel. May not equate to a win based on other factors but it bodes well for the future.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1302141]I actually think that if anything, the NFL would give us some calls this week to make sure the NFC East ends competitive where the Raiders, Denver, and KC are close enough for a good division race.

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There is no way it is orchestrated. You can just look at other winners and losers. I mean Dallas is Americas team - biggest market there is. They have been mediocre at best for as long as we have really.

Even if there is orchestration within it is impossible to make it play out that way.

I think the refs just suck, because they are basically part time employees. But they suck the same across the board. If i ever found out the league was somehow instructing refs to steer games id never watch another one.

Maybe im naïve but it just seems too far fetched. What is in it for the refs? Are they fired if they don’t? Are they having money wired to a secret bank account?

I can see Goodell or others rooting for big market teams obviously but to intentionally screw with the integrity of the game by instructing and or rewarding officials somehow? I don’t buy it.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1302137]My point was that at 5-7 and in the 7th seed for the playoffs on a three game win streak including the super bowl champs is a strange time to be sick of it all. Where were you when we were 2-6 and couldn’t get out of our own way?

Detroit is winless so at any point their fan base has every right to complain.

I am a semi rational fan. When we lose to teams we should beat, or when we beat ourselves I will call them out. But when we are on a three game win streak, and in the playoff hunt I will applaud. That is how it works. Just a strange time for you to be calling them out is all.[/QUOTE]When we were 2-6 I was doing what I do when were 2-6 every year; drinking like a fish a meeting my mouth shut because we were all on the same page here.

Having hope is great and 5 or 6 years ago, I may have been in same boat with you guys. Imo, I've just seen enough to know how this movie ends it frustrates me that some see us as all world after beating a TB team with a bad game and a CAR and SEA squad we should have crushed but barely eeked by.

I remember what happened against BUF, barely, BARELY beating the NYG, needing an effort of high foolishness on ATLs defense for any hope of a win there.

Winning is fleeting for me, I just really want to see this organization be what I really thought they already were when I was younger. An 8-9 season and backing into the playoffs to lose means zero to me.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1302144]There is no way it is orchestrated. You can just look at other winners and losers. I mean Dallas is Americas team - biggest market there is. They have been mediocre at best for as long as we have really.

Even if there is orchestration within it is impossible to make it play out that way.

I think the refs just suck, because they are basically part time employees. But they suck the same across the board. If i ever found out the league was somehow instructing refs to steer games id never watch another one.

Maybe im naïve but it just seems too far fetched. What is in it for the refs? Are they fired if they don’t? Are they having money wired to a secret bank account?

I can see Goodell or others rooting for big market teams obviously but to intentionally screw with the integrity of the game by instructing and or rewarding officials somehow? I don’t buy it.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, particularly that the refs are just inept. My point was simply that the NFL's interest would be to have division races that are heating up in December, not ones that are settling down.

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