Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1323497]If we beat Dallas Sunday I'd be very surprised. They are playing well and that defense is NASTY.[/quote]

Yeah I don't see that as a W. If we go 3-3 it will be because of wins against Indy, Chi, Minn or Ten

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=Redskins247;1323498]I agree with you that I think he'll be back. But let's say they only win like 3 games, and have a top 3 pick in the draft. If they only won like 3 games then Wentz obviously didn't work out...and they could possibly draft one of the QBs this year...do you want the same regime to start over with a new QB...or do you come in with a new coaching staff with the new QB?[/quote]

Are you asking what I'd like to see happen, or what I think Danny will do?

If they're horrible enough to get a top 3 pick I'd like to see Ron canned after this season, pick a new regime, and let them make the draft selection.

But I don't think Danny cans this coaching staff with 2 years remaining on Ron's deal. Too much money for him to fork over.

I don't think they'll be quite that horrible anyway. We're going to be stuck in this 7-10 purgatory again this year.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=Schneed10;1323503]Are you asking what I'd like to see happen, or what I think Danny will do?

If they're horrible enough to get a top 3 pick I'd like to see Ron canned after this season, pick a new regime, and let them make the draft selection.

But I don't think Danny cans this coaching staff with 2 years remaining on Ron's deal. Too much money for him to fork over.

I don't think they'll be quite that horrible anyway. [B]We're going to be stuck in this 7-10 purgatory again this year.[/B][/quote]

Accurate. Season is too long for us to be this terrible all year. We'll get better, maybe surprise a team or two - but we'll definitely be in that mediocre range again this year.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

Edit - Misread a post.

I agree, we will win just enough, like 7, for Snyder to justify not firing Bus Driver Ron. I think 8 is our ceiling, our floor is probably like 5.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1323495]I think 3-3 is doable. I am concerned with Dallas but not sold at all on Tennessee they are weak. Minnesota- JJ will eat up our secondary but they are beatable. GB is probably a loss but we have been playing them close.[/quote]

There is a higher probability of Chico and I spitroasting Jessica Alba than going 3-3 over the next 6 games.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=jamf;1323509]There is a higher probability of Chico and I spitroasting Jessica Alba than going 3-3 over the next 6 games.[/quote]

haha

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=Schneed10;1323503]Are you asking what I'd like to see happen, or what I think Danny will do?

If they're horrible enough to get a top 3 pick I'd like to see Ron canned after this season, pick a new regime, and let them make the draft selection.

But I don't think Danny cans this coaching staff with 2 years remaining on Ron's deal. Too much money for him to fork over.

I don't think they'll be quite that horrible anyway. We're going to be stuck in this 7-10 purgatory again this year.[/quote]

Yeah I was asking what you think Dan would do in that situation if they did have that bad of a season. Again, I think you're right and they'll win just enough to do it all over again next season...but there's a chance they could be bad enough to make all that happen. One more starter knocked out on the Oline and that may do it.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

We will never win a Super Bowl with Rivera. Shitty situation as a fan. Going 1-16 would be the best thing for the franchise. But, deep down, I don't want to lose every freaking game.

Rock meet hard place.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=jamf;1323509]There is a higher probability of Chico and I spitroasting Jessica Alba than going 3-3 over the next 6 games.[/quote]

So you are saying there's a chance

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1323526]So you are saying there's a chance[/quote]

Pictures/video or it doesn't count.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

I have never been a fan of Rivera. We live in the South so we see lots of news items about all of the Southern teams including Carolina. What you are seeing from Rivera now is the same as he did in his last position. Namely, failing defense, non-existent offense, publicly humiliating players, blaming everything on anything else. I do give him props for what he has done with the mess he inherited but not for anything else. He will stick with Wentz to the bitter end, no matter how bad he may be. As for Wentz, he is what you see, a willing quarterback with less ability than the media gives him credit for. I sincerely hope Rivera and his gang are removed at the end of the season. Unfortunately, Snyder will probably pick another marginal head coach while telling everyone how great it is going to be. It will be same old, same old.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1323510]haha[/quote]

Come on have a lil faith in Jamf and I

I just hope Alba put on some weight, if not, she might get folded

Re: Ron Rivera
 

7 times now in the Rivera era we've been down 20 points or more at the half. That's just ridiculous.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=MTK;1323558]7 times now in the Rivera era we've been down 20 points or more at the half. That's just ridiculous.[/quote]

Yeah I'm sorry but I know guys like him and he is a cancer survivor all of that is awesome but the dude is not a winner as a HC, at the end of the day it's about wins and losses in the NFL.. This isn't HS football where a feel good story does the job.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

Definitely getting tired of him getting snippy with the media, dude you have a losing record here. It's year 3 and it still looks like year 1. Sorry but answering tough questions is your job.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=MTK;1323560]Definitely getting tired of him getting snippy with the media, dude you have a losing record here. It's year 3 and it still looks like year 1. Sorry but answering tough questions is your job.[/quote]

Yeah and we are not any better in year 3 than we were in year 1. If we lose Sunday the season will really start to decline, it's really a must win game early on.. You can't start 0-2 in the div

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1323561]Yeah and we are not any better in year 3 than we were in year 1. If we lose Sunday the season will really start to decline, it's really a must win game early on.. You can't start 0-2 in the div[/quote]

Definitely a code red situation this week

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1323561]Yeah and we are not any better in year 3 than we were in year 1. If we lose Sunday the season will really start to decline, it's really a must win game early on.. You can't start 0-2 in the div[/quote]

And 0-3 in the NFC.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=MTK;1323560]Definitely getting tired of him getting snippy with the media, dude you have a losing record here. It's year 3 and it still looks like year 1. Sorry but answering tough questions is your job.[/quote]

Yeah that has pissed me off. You want your players to be accountable then you and your staff should be as well.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

its more and more looking like any success Riverboat had as a coach was due to Cam Newton in his prime.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1323562]Definitely a code red situation this week[/QUOTE]


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Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1323568]Yeah that has pissed me off. You want your players to be accountable then you and your staff should be as well.[/quote]

+1

Not sure if he wasn't ready for the media here but it's year 3 - in his plan we should be playoff contenders by now. Instead here we are down 20 at the half two weeks in a row.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=mooby;1323604]+1

[B]Not sure if he wasn't ready for the media here [/B]but it's year 3 - in his plan we should be playoff contenders by now. Instead here we are down 20 at the half two weeks in a row.[/quote]

He definitely wasn't prepared for big city media, that has shown since day 1. The biggest issue with RR is that in-spite of improving the talent at some positions the team hasn't gotten any better. IMO, that's on the coaching.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

Me personally .. I dont see this as close to a code red.

Were 1-2 not 0-3.

We have the Titans and Bears after this.

We could lose Sunday and still realistically end up 3-3 after week 6.

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But im looking at it in a lens of staying on schedule to go 7-10 .. paloffs/!? Are you kidding me? plaoffs?!

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=SunnySide;1323616]Me personally .. I dont see this as close to a code red.

Were 1-2 not 0-3.

We have the Titans and Bears after this.

We could lose Sunday and still realistically end up 3-3 after week 6.

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But im looking at it in a lens of staying on schedule to go 7-10 .. paloffs/!? Are you kidding me? plaoffs?![/quote]

I had us at 3-3 after 6, but with wins against JAX, DET, & DAL...

If the O-line can hold up this weekend even 4-2 is still a possibility. I just don't see it. As much as I hate to say it, Dallas' D-line is probably going to make our O-line look silly. My only hope is that ST comes up with a magical game plan to counter that, and CW has his best game of the season so far.

If we're speaking in terms of RR's job at the end of the season, then all these games are Code Red. This team needs to show improvement, and steady improvement as the season goes. If it's continued regression or even status quo, then I'm ok with blowing this thing up (again) in the off season. [I]Rinse - Repeat[/I]

:frustrated:

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1323628]I had us at 3-3 after 6, but with wins against JAX, DET, & DAL...

If the O-line can hold up this weekend even 4-2 is still a possibility. I just don't see it. As much as I hate to say it, Dallas' D-line is probably going to make our O-line look silly. My only hope is that ST comes up with a magical game plan to counter that, and CW has his best game of the season so far.

If we're speaking in terms of RR's job at the end of the season, then all these games are Code Red. This team needs to show improvement, and steady improvement as the season goes. [B]If it's continued regression or even status quo, then I'm ok with blowing this thing up (again) in the off season. [/B][I]Rinse - Repeat[/I]

:frustrated:[/quote]

if its 7-10 ... Id prefer to keep RR and Turner, switch DC. If RR goes ... so does Mayhew and a lot of upper crust.

Upper crust we didnt have under Snyder.

Snyder then picks the HC and decides how we re-structure the entire organization.

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[url]https://www.commanders.com/team/front-office-roster/[/url]

^^ look at our front office/exec staff now.

its full .. and costing Snyder a ton of money. New turf, hire an asst to the asst = straight out of Snyder's profit.

before it was like 6 people .. now its an actual organization.

Snyder, im guessing, would fire half the people and gladly go back to paying pennies on the dollar with a duct tape staff.

I wonder if part of the league investigation and punishment was he NEEDS to keep certain staff positions like an HR.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

I guess there's no good answer for what to do at the end of the season if they manage only 6-7 wins, but 7-9, 7-10, and 7-10 over three seasons is unacceptable right? He (RR) did say it was a 3-5 year plan though...

Obviously the best thing that could happen at this point is that they beat Dallas, and things start to click - but it's tough to see that happening after what we've witnessed over the last two weeks.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1323633]I guess there's no good answer for what to do at the end of the season if they manage only 6-7 wins, but 7-9, 7-10, and 7-10 over three seasons is unacceptable right? He (RR) did say it was a 3-5 year plan though...

Obviously the best thing that could happen at this point is that they beat Dallas, and things start to click - but it's tough to see that happening after what we've witnessed over the last two weeks.[/quote]

That ... or just have the wheels come completely off. Wentz gets injured, O line injuries only get worse, D continues its trend

Id love to go 1-16 honestly. Then? Fire everybody, draft the best college QB available and have an actual window and chance.

7-10 is purgatory and 10-7 is never going to happen.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=SunnySide;1323631]if its 7-10 ... Id prefer to keep RR and Turner, switch DC. If RR goes ... so does Mayhew and a lot of upper crust.

Upper crust we didnt have under Snyder.

Snyder then picks the HC and decides how we re-structure the entire organization.

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[url]https://www.commanders.com/team/front-office-roster/[/url]

^^ look at our front office/exec staff now.

its full .. and costing Snyder a ton of money. New turf, hire an asst to the asst = straight out of Snyder's profit.

before it was like 6 people .. now its an actual organization.

Snyder, im guessing, would fire half the people and gladly go back to paying pennies on the dollar with a duct tape staff.

I wonder if part of the league investigation and punishment was he NEEDS to keep certain staff positions like an HR.[/quote]

All of this just absolutely terrifies me because I could totally see it happening. Stuck with a bad HC or giving free reign back to Danny to drag any progress back down to the gutter.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=SunnySide;1323635]That ... or just have the wheels come completely off. Wentz gets injured, O line injuries only get worse, D continues its trend

Id love to go 1-16 honestly. Then? Fire everybody, draft the best college QB available and have an actual window and chance.

7-10 is purgatory and 10-7 is never going to happen.[/quote]

I honestly don't think that CW finishes this game.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

Our updated Vegas over/under win total is 6.5 and it's -110 on either side of the bet.

In other words, after having seen the whole league play in the first three weeks, and understanding what our schedule is the rest of the way, Vegas thinks the over-under for us the rest of the way is 5.5 out of 14 remaining games.

What once looked like an easy schedule looks to Vegas like we should go 5.5 and 8.5. Or if you prefer whole numbers, roughly 5-9 or 6-8 the rest of the way.

We suck. Fire Ron.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

Vegas knows …

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=Schneed10;1323640]Our updated Vegas over/under win total is 6.5 and it's -110 on either side of the bet.

In other words, after having seen the whole league play in the first three weeks, and understanding what our schedule is the rest of the way, Vegas thinks the over-under for us the rest of the way is 5.5 out of 14 remaining games.

What once looked like an easy schedule looks to Vegas like we should go 5.5 and 8.5. Or if you prefer whole numbers, roughly 5-9 or 6-8 the rest of the way.

We suck. Fire Ron.[/quote]

Like I said, if it wasn't for Wentz actually being clutch in week 1 we would be 0-3. This team is not well coached at all and it's showing big time.

Ron will be gone after we finish 6-11

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1323647]Like I said, if it wasn't for Wentz actually being clutch in week 1 we would be 0-3. This team is not well coached at all and it's showing big time.

[B]Ron will be gone after we finish 6-11[/B][/quote]

I tend to agree, we got hope injuries don't pile up, then he gets a excuse.

he will be here 5 years though, book it. Only because no one else will want come here and he is probably the best we can get.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

Code red?
You need to be a playoff contender to have code red games.

Ron is pretty much just cashing checks at this point and helping his buddies out with jobs.
His main function is to sit around and swat the flies away from the shit show that is this organization.

I got bad news for you.
Snyder closed his pocket book. He isn't spending like he used to spend.
He isn't throwing money at problems hoping for instant success.
He's tired of the negative publicity and hate from the fans.

He's going to keep Rivera and staff around till their contracts expire or RR quits.
It would cost Snyder around $20mil to fire the staff and start over at the end of the season.

Snyders main focus now is to maximize profits and fuck over the fans that hate his stupid ass.

I've seen this locally with Al Davis (Raiders) and Spanos Family (Chargers).

Welcome to football purgatory.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=jamf;1323650]Code red?
You need to be a playoff contender to have code red games.

Ron is pretty much just cashing checks at this point and helping his buddies out with jobs.
His main function is to sit around and swat the flies away from the shit show that is this organization.

I got bad news for you.
Snyder closed his pocket book. He isn't spending like he used to spend.
He isn't throwing money at problems hoping for instant success.
He's tired of the negative publicity and hate from the fans.

He's going to keep Rivera and staff around till their contracts expire or RR quits.
It would cost Snyder around $20mil to fire the staff and start over at the end of the season.

Snyders main focus now is to maximize profits and fuck over the fans that hate his stupid ass.

I've seen this locally with Al Davis (Raiders) and Spanos Family (Chargers).

Welcome to football purgatory.[/quote]

That's a depressing take, but I have no objective evidence to argue that it isn't correct.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

I really don't think Ron cares that much about winning right now.. Sounds crazy but his actions speak loudly

Ron Rivera
 

[QUOTE=jamf;1323650]Code red?
You need to be a playoff contender to have code red games.

Ron is pretty much just cashing checks at this point and helping his buddies out with jobs.
His main function is to sit around and swat the flies away from the shit show that is this organization.

I got bad news for you.
Snyder closed his pocket book. He isn't spending like he used to spend.
He isn't throwing money at problems hoping for instant success.
He's tired of the negative publicity and hate from the fans.

He's going to keep Rivera and staff around till their contracts expire or RR quits.
It would cost Snyder around $20mil to fire the staff and start over at the end of the season.

Snyders main focus now is to maximize profits and fuck over the fans that hate his stupid ass.

I've seen this locally with Al Davis (Raiders) and Spanos Family (Chargers).

Welcome to football purgatory.[/QUOTE]


Yeah man. Its like how we talk about it would be bitter sweet seeing him holding a Lombardi trophy.
I think he realizes that. There was a time , years ago, that winning a championship would have still endeared his dumb ass to us. Now it is too late. Between his off the field bullshit and his on the field product over the last 30 years any hopes of reshaping his public opinion with the fan base is gone. He is no longer desperate to appease us.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1323654]That's a depressing take, but I have no objective evidence to argue that it isn't correct.[/quote]

its pretty accurate, look at the DS of the Jeff George years trying to pay anything to win, now a days not so much. not saying throwing the Brinks truck at problems solved anything but it showed he had some desire to win.

Re: Ron Rivera
 

[url]https://twitter.com/granthpaulsen/status/1575512201955315714[/url]

I don't like retweeting Grant because I'm not a fan of his, but this is kinda damning too.

Trailing in 91% of games is a bad stat. But the alternative is Dan Snyder picking yet another coach and front office combo - and is that any better than Ron?