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At least we got a stater at LT....and didn't do anything stupid...thats a plus for the skins...remember 2 WR and a TE in the 2nd? a TE? and no OLINE help until too late?

Anyways...good news although it may be dead now that it was pre-draft chatter by a couple hours....
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/free-agency/redskins-reportedly-reach-out.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins reportedly reach out to Saints regarding Jammal Brown[/url]
Skins talking to Jammal Brown.
It would be cool because if we got him, both our tackles would be from the same school

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[quote=Ruhskins;692735]You mean the same Haynesworth that said:

"I mean, I wouldn't really say that," Haynesworth said. "We've got a good coach and all that stuff. [B]Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do.[/B] I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do."[/quote]

That's exactly what Haynesworth said in the only interview he's given since the season ended. I dont know where people get the "I don't want to play NT" quote from. He never said he didn't want to play the position, he let it be known it wasn't his prefered position, but that he would play wherever they wanted him to play. It's a made up story designed to give credence to whatever dislike some people (for various reasons) have for the man. I watched the interview so I know exactly what he said.

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[quote=skinsnut;692816]At least we got a stater at LT....and didn't do anything stupid...thats a plus for the skins...remember 2 WR and a TE in the 2nd? a TE? and no OLINE help until too late?

Anyways...good news although it may be dead now that it was pre-draft chatter by a couple hours....
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/free-agency/redskins-reportedly-reach-out.html"]Redskins Insider - Redskins reportedly reach out to Saints regarding Jammal Brown[/URL]
Skins talking to Jammal Brown.
It would be cool because if we got him, both our tackles would be from the same school[/quote]


I have no regrets about Davis, I am still unsure about Kelly and Thomas.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;692791]Funny how so many people on this board think that "Big Love" Clausen is the next great one but every single team in the league passed on him.[/quote]Every team passed on Brees and Favre in the first round. Almost all passed on Marino, Dan Fouts was a 3rd rounder. Just because a guy falls in the draft doesn't mean he's automatically garbage. Historically, 2nd rounders haven't fared too well. I expect Clausen will beat the trend like Brees and Favre.

As I said before, it's not just people on this site, the high-profile NFL Draft analysts all expect Clausen to be a good NFL QB.

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Also, Kafka and Stull played weekly competiton that was superior or at least had parity with their own respective teams and got their teams into bowl games. A Stull or Kafka is more likely to make it in the NFL than a Tebow for the reasons mentioned in my previous post. Unlike the Magic 3, these not so known QB's can probably hold their own better. Give me a QB that actually made his team better than a QB on a loaded powerhouse playing inferior opponents most weekends.

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Does someone have any info on how Trent Williams played last year? I hope we LT spot sown up.

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[quote=Hamoskinz;692822]Does someone have any info on how Trent Williams played last year? I hope we LT spot sown up.[/quote]


The Mastermind does...

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;692825]The Mastermind does...[/quote]

So does Gerald McCoy.

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me thinks we just brought in sam bradford to ask him about trent williams...hmmm

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[quote=GusFrerotte;692821]Also, Kafka and Stull played weekly competiton that was superior or at least had parity with their own respective teams and got their teams into bowl games. A Stull or Kafka is more likely to make it in the NFL than a Tebow for the reasons mentioned in my previous post. Unlike the Magic 3, these not so known QB's can probably hold their own better. Give me a QB that actually made his team better than a QB on a loaded powerhouse playing inferior opponents most weekends.[/quote]Clausen made ND better. Without him they would've been 3-9 or worse. ND today unfortunately isn't ND prior to the early 90s. There talent is on par or sub-par with their opponents.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;692819]I have no regrets about Davis, I am still unsure about Kelly and Thomas.[/quote]I will never forgive Vinny nor forget that DeSean Jackson was on the board when we selected Davis. Then again, Ray Rice was on the board when he selected Kelly :doh:

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[quote=tootergray34;692827]me thinks we just brought in sam bradford to ask him about trent williams...hmmm[/quote]
nope

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;692819]I have no regrets about Davis, I am still unsure about Kelly and Thomas.[/quote]

Agreed. I am still not hating on that 2nd round trio at all- hindsight is a b. IIRC, that was two drafts ago. Our line wasn't exactly filled with world beaters, but it wasn't even close to how bad it is now. Samuels, Rabach, and Thomas (coming off injury, he played all 16 games in 2008 anyway) were solid.

The problem was the lack of offensive playmakers the previous year. Everyone on this board was complaining about the non-existence of a vertical game all year long, so we went out and got weapons. Ironically, the most grief during the 08 draft was actually towards Davis (since we had Cooley). At the time, I felt we got a steal in Fred (who was the best TE in college football).

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;692791]Funny how so many people on this board think that "Big Love" Clausen is the next great one but every single team in the league passed on him.[/quote]

It's simply amazing when you think about the fact Kiper's early mocks had him going a high as #4 and to who? There were a lot of people on board, but I never believed it because there were people then saying he may not even be taken in the 1st round at all....they were right.

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[quote=skinsnut;692816]At least we got a stater at LT....and didn't do anything stupid...thats a plus for the skins...remember 2 WR and a TE in the 2nd? a TE? and no OLINE help until too late?

[/quote]

God, Vinny :doh: Only he would mess up a great move like trading down for two second round picks including one at the top of the second. Ironically though Thomas and or Kelly could end up being great picks now that we have McNabb but I still say it's overkill. I still think though that Marko Mitchell will turn out to be something special, especially given Shanahan's competition theme which hopefully won't discriminate against rookies like our previous "offensive guru."

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Adam_Sheffer's_Blackberry

Commissioner Goodell treated at a NY hospital for bruised ribs he suffered after several bear hugs from emotional drafted NFL players.

:)

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[quote=Ruhskins;692838]Adam_Sheffer's_Blackberry

Commissioner Goodell treated at a NY hospital for bruised ribs he suffered after several bear hugs from emotional drafted NFL players.

:)[/quote]

I liked that. In fact my opinion of Goodell has gone up considerably over the past week. The prime time thing really went over well. I still hope though that the 18 games rule doesn't get passed.

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[quote=itvnetop;692834]Agreed. I am still not hating on that 2nd round trio at all- hindsight is a b. IIRC, that was two drafts ago. Our line wasn't exactly filled with world beaters, but it wasn't even close to how bad it is now. Samuels, Rabach, and Thomas (coming off injury, he played all 16 games in 2008 anyway) were solid.

The problem was the lack of offensive playmakers the previous year. [B]Everyone on this board was complaining about the non-existence of a vertical game all year long, so we got out and got weapons[/B].[/quote]

Not true...we were all calling for Oline help...yes we needed a receiver and 2 was arguably ok in case one bombed....but a TE?...that was a luxury pick at the time and people here certainly questioned it.
We needed oline help then...no doubt among other needs...I like Fred Davis now...but...had we addressed the line then, we may not have needed to draft an Olineman early on...we could have drafted the top Free Safety as an example.

I am not talking hindsight 20/20....I am talking about a questionable pick when we had Cooley...the guy rides the pine most of the time...an high 2nd round olineman would have been playing at least 70% of snaps by now

Remember the BS cover crap?....oh yeah...were gunna run massive 2 TE sets....never happened...they were just covering up for Vinnie being married to the board and ignoring team deficiencies.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;692841]I liked that. In fact my opinion of Goodell has gone up considerably over the past week. The prime time thing really went over well. I still hope though that the 18 games rule doesn't get passed.[/quote]

Or that he changes his mind about having the f'ing Pro Bowl before the SB.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;692841]I liked that. In fact my opinion of Goodell has gone up considerably over the past week. The prime time thing really went over well. I still hope though that the 18 games rule doesn't get passed.[/quote]

You must not be a fan of any of the other major sports. They scheduled the DRAFT in direct competition with the mlb regular season, and the post season's of both hockey and basketball. This is hubris at its highest, and at some point its gonna come back around for the nfl.
Also i can't like Goodell until he changes the pro bowl back to the way it used to be. I liked the idea of it being a reward for the players and their families to go to hawaii, now its just another money grubbing strategy by the nfl.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;692836]God, Vinny :doh: Only he would mess up a great move like trading down for two second round picks including one at the top of the second. Ironically though Thomas and or Kelly could end up being great picks now that we have McNabb but I still say it's overkill. [B]I still think though that Marko Mitchell will turn out to be something special[/B], especially given Shanahan's competition theme which hopefully won't discriminate against rookies like our previous "offensive guru."[/quote]

Dirtbag....if Mitchell has a legitamate shot to play, we've got serious problems.

Ok, he grabbed a couple TD's in preseason against 3rd and 4th stringers because he's tall.
Thats called Basketball.

Don't get me wrong, I was shouting for playing time for him to since he was outperforming the other young guys...but that is certainly not saying much.

This team needs a legitamate #1 or #2 receiver for McNabb.
We can't wait for the young guys to develop while we cross our fingers....however, we absoutely CANNOT deal with TO...he is an absolute JERK PSYCHO.

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[quote=Ruhskins;692846]Or that he changes his mind about having the f'ing Pro Bowl before the SB.[/quote]

That was one of those things where I didn't really like the idea but it really did drum up interest in the Pro Bowl. Maybe a little bit more leniency on Super Bowl participants arriving a day or two before their team but other then that it seemed to work.

With the 18 games though it would mess up the standards for stats and records, not to mention it would shorten the career of certain players. I mean think about it, even if you don't make the playoffs in 8 years you end up playing the equivalent of 9 seasons. I guess maybe if it encouraged coaches to go easier on players in practice it would balance out but still.

[quote=skinsnut;692851]Dirtbag....if Mitchell has a legitamate shot to play, we've got serious problems.

Ok, he grabbed a couple TD's in preseason against 3rd and 4th stringers because he's tall.
Thats called Basketball.

Don't get me wrong, I was shouting for playing time for him to since he was outperforming the other young guys...but that is certainly not saying much.

This team needs a legitamate #1 or #2 receiver for McNabb.
We can't wait for the young guys to develop while we cross our fingers....however, we absoutely CANNOT deal with TO...he is an absolute JERK PSYCHO.[/quote]

Thats the thing though about Mitchell. If he's as talented as I think he is then Shanahan will play him, if not then he'll be on the bench. Remember this is a coach who had Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery as his two best receivers. Not only did he get two post 2nd round guys to produce (with Rod Smith being undrafted) but he got a white guy to the pro bowl as a Receiver. That in and of itself is an accomplishment.

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[quote=r08kessl;692850]You must not be a fan of any of the other major sports. They scheduled the DRAFT in direct competition with the mlb regular season, and the post season's of both hockey and basketball. This is hubris at its highest, and at some point its gonna come back around for the nfl.
Also i can't like Goodell until he changes the pro bowl back to the way it used to be. I liked the idea of it being a reward for the players and their families to go to hawaii, now its just another money grubbing strategy by the nfl.[/quote]

If you live in the Baltimore/DC area is kinda hard to be a fan of MLB and NBA.

That being said, I think MLB can survive 3 days out their [B]160 game season[/B]. Plus, I think David Stern would put something similar against the NFL if he could do it.

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mark cuban actually said he was pissed about this the other day on PTI.

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[quote=tootergray34;692859]mark cuban actually said he was pissed about this the other day on PTI.[/quote]

When is Mark Cuban not complaining about something.

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[quote=Ruhskins;692856]If you live in the Baltimore/DC area is kinda hard to be a fan of MLB and NBA.

That being said, I think MLB can survive 3 days out their [B]160 game season[/B]. Plus, I think David Stern would put something similar against the NFL if he could do it.[/quote]

Yah but its pretty easy to be excited about the caps....
the nats will hopefully be good at some point, theyr building the team the right way, and as much as baseball bores me the stadium is awesome. And at this point youv just gotta hope the wiz get luckier in the lottery than they did last year.

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[quote=r08kessl;692861]Yah but its pretty easy to be excited about the caps....
the nats will hopefully be good at some point, theyr building the team the right way, and as much as baseball bores me the stadium is awesome. And at this point youv just gotta hope the wiz get luckier in the lottery than they did last year.[/quote]

If they can put out a product that people would rather watch then they have nothing to worry about. Not everyone gets a trophy and they can't make everyone happy. Saturday there is a Nationwide Race and Sunday there is a Sprint Cup Race, when should they do it?

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[quote=skinsnut;692851]Dirtbag....if Mitchell has a legitamate shot to play, we've got serious problems.

Ok, he grabbed a couple TD's in preseason against 3rd and 4th stringers because he's tall.
Thats called Basketball.

Don't get me wrong, I was shouting for playing time for him to since he was outperforming the other young guys...but that is certainly not saying much.

This team needs a legitamate #1 or #2 receiver for McNabb.
We can't wait for the young guys to develop while we cross our fingers....however, we absoutely CANNOT deal with TO...he is an absolute JERK PSYCHO.[/quote]

Dont know why that would mean we have serious problems. By all accounts Shanny wants competition and if Marko is playing well enough to be a starter than so be it. I recall Shanahan saying something like he got rid of two first or second rounders after he saw what Rod Smith could do and not because they couldnt play, but because Rod could.

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just some firepower if you have any bronco friends.

This just in, virgin tim tebow joins mile high club.

Tim Tebow, most famous white bronco since OJ

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[quote=tootergray34;692866]just some firepower if you have any bronco friends.

This just in, virgin tim tebow joins mile high club.

Tim Tebow, most famous white bronco since OJ[/quote]

you seriously jacked my line and posted it in the same exact thread? hahah

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Clausen will be a great QB...I was very impressed considering he play with shitty ND. Mark my words, teams will regret not taking him.

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[quote=tryfuhl;692874]you seriously jacked my line and posted it in the same exact thread? hahah[/quote]

my bad I guess I didn't see it earlier.

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Vladamir DuCasse, Selvish Capers, and Edwin Veldheer could all be available when we select in round 4. Capers would be a very interesting RT, but I think DuCasse would be my first choice. Matt Tenant will definitely be available, I know he has a pretty good following here on this forum. So will Mike Johnson (G Alabama). Jason Fox seems like he's going to be sitting around for a while.

I still fear though that the fourth round pick will be a QB.

Also I know people don't want to hear this but the team might have big plans for Heyer at RT. I know I'm on the Ryan Clady kick but one of the problems Clady had that was fixed by the Bronco's coaching staff was a habit of bending at the waist. Unfortunately Heyer isn't the same caliber of athlete that Clady is, but still it's not out of realm of possibility that Heyer might rebound this year and I think that if the Redskins pass up an intriguing tackle prospect in the fourth round then you might be able to take that as a vote of confidence for Heyer.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;692852]



Thats the thing though about Mitchell. If he's as talented as I think he is then Shanahan will play him, if not then he'll be on the bench. Remember this is a coach who had Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery as his two best receivers. Not only did he get two post 2nd round guys to produce (with Rod Smith being undrafted) but he got a white guy to the pro bowl as a Receiver. That in and of itself is an accomplishment.[/quote]

I agree Dirtbag. Shanny is calling the shots on who plays, not Vinny. I think we'll see who plays based on production, not what position they were drafted.

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So, a few thoughts on the draft and some posts in this thread:

-I think Clausen will be a solid NFL QB, but McShay has called it for a while saying he wouldn't be a 1st round pick (wonder if PFT will say anything about that)

-I get that the ND track record for QBs isn't great recently, but I can't remember the last time a Northwestern QB did anything in the pros. Let alone one with fewer than 20 career starts and fewer TDs than INTs

-Not surprised Spiller went top 10 (SPILLLLERRRR!!!!) but didn't really see him donning a Bills cap. It'll be fun to see Campbell hand off to Spiller next season

-I think our next "Marko Mitchell" (i.e. the diamond in the rough WR that Shanahan turns into the next Rod Smith) isn't on our roster yet, but maybe at the end of Saturday

-It looked like a trade for AH was close yesterday, but Skins held their ground and wouldn't settle

-Really surprised about Tebow going to Denver

-Not surprised that the Jags made another questionable move. That team badly needs a proven NFL vet running that team. Year after year they make really questionable round 1 decisions (although Alualu could end up being pretty decent)

-On a personal level, Thursday night primetime draft is kind of cool. On a professional level, it was a total pain in the ass

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[quote=Dirtbag359;692877]Vladamir DuCasse, Selvish Capers, and Edwin Veldheer could all be available when we select in round 4. Capers would be a very interesting RT, but I think DuCasse would be my first choice. Matt Tenant will definitely be available, I know he has a pretty good following here on this forum. So will Mike Johnson (G Alabama). Jason Fox seems like he's going to be sitting around for a while.

I still fear though that the fourth round pick will be a QB.

Also I know people don't want to hear this but the team might have big plans for Heyer at RT. I know I'm on the Ryan Clady kick but one of the problems Clady had that was fixed by the Bronco's coaching staff was a habit of bending at the waist. Unfortunately Heyer isn't the same caliber of athlete that Clady is, but still it's not out of realm of possibility that Heyer might rebound this year and I think that if the Redskins pass up an intriguing tackle prospect in the fourth round then you might be able to take that as a vote of confidence for Heyer.[/quote]

If the best platyer available is a QB, so be it, although without a trade partner for Campbell, it's unlikely. I know a lot of fans are disappointed with Heyer's play but, it's not like he was the only one who gave up sacks. Campbell himself contributed to a significant amount of them. It's likely that a few commonly known prospects will be available at the top of the fourth round. I wish we didn't have the guys we have on the trading block. They need to be ready to play for us if no deal. Haynesworth is the only guy who will be difficult to replace talent wise but, you have to take in consideration his inconsistency and/or ability to stay healthy. Who wants to draft Cody?

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Anybody else surprised the Giants went with Pierre-Paul? Aren't they stocked at the DE position already?

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[quote=SmootSmack;692889]
-It looked like a trade for AH was close yesterday, but Skins held their ground and wouldn't settle

-On a personal level, Thursday night primetime draft is kind of cool. On a professional level, it was a total pain in the ass[/quote]I wouldn't mind seeing AH moved, but VERY glad the Skins didn't settle. Did you get any sleep?

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[quote=Beemnseven;692894]Anybody else surprised the Giants went with Pierre-Paul? Aren't they stocked at the DE position already?[/quote]

Yes, but they're trying to trade Osi so the pick kinda makes sense; but yeah I'm surprised they didn't go OG (Mike Iupatu). Piere Paul played only 1 yr of football and only had 6.5 sacks.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;692898]I wouldn't mind seeing AH moved,[B] but VERY glad the Skins didn't settle. [/B] Did you get any sleep?[/quote]

Listening to Shanahan's presser, I am most excited that he isn't going to "give up the boat" for any additional picks. We need to establish a baseline and go from there. Hopefully the Redskins FO will have a better name around the league, and with us fans now that they actually are acting like professionals who have been here before.