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[quote=mcludka;1277189]Thoughts on Mariota?[/quote]

He's no better than some of the QBs that can be had in free agency. Definitely not giving anything up for him.

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[quote=mcludka;1277192]Seems like the options are getting limited. [/quote]

Really there's only one QB that is off the table - Stafford. There are plenty of "options" out there, just have to be smart about what you are willing to part with to make a deal. So far it appears that they are taking the measured approach they said they would, and are asking the questions, but are not willing to give up more than what they perceive the value to be. Thank goodness.

I would overpay for Watson (he's the only one), but the jury is still out on whether or not he is going to hit the trade market. However, I still think they can upgrade the QB position in free agency without giving up assets. There are probably 3-4 free agent QBs who would be an upgrade compared to what was on the field last year. I say let the other QB needy teams fight over Wentz, Carr, Darnold, Bridgewater, Foles, etc. and then when free agency hits they won't have to overpay "as much" for one of those guys.

These potential trade targets aren't markedly better than what you can get in free agency in my opinion.

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Carr was worth bidding over- not available.
Dak- for sure.
Watson is worth a boatload.
Stafford was worth a strong offer as well.

After them, I lose interest quickly. Who else would give you confidence? Who else? As much as there are many QBs that may be available, the reality seems different.

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[quote=mcludka;1277189]Thoughts on Mariota?[/quote]

I’ve dogged him on these boards previously, but after a deeper dive, not terrible career stats:
77 TDs (Alex Smith 199)
45 INTs (Alex Smith 109)
2.5 INT % (Alex Smith 2.1)
62.9 Completion % (Alex Smith 62.6)
89.5 QB Rating (Alex Smith 86.9)
209.9 Yards Per Game (Alex Smith 204.9)

He’s basically a younger Alex Smith in the role of Game Manager. He’s also never started a full season, never playing more than 15 games in a season (2016 and 2017) so durability is an issue. I wouldn’t give more than a 5th round pick. Mobility only gets you so far.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1277198]I’ve dogged him on these boards previously, but after a deeper dive, not terrible career stats:
77 TDs (Alex Smith 199)
45 INTs (Alex Smith 109)
2.5 INT % (Alex Smith 2.1)
62.9 Completion % (Alex Smith 62.6)
89.5 QB Rating (Alex Smith 86.9)
209.9 Yards Per Game (Alex Smith 204.9)

He’s basically a younger Alex Smith in the role of Game Manager. He’s also never started a full season, never playing more than 15 games in a season (2016 and 2017) so durability is an issue. [B]I wouldn’t give more than a 5th round pick. [/B]Mobility only gets you so far.[/quote]

Why do that though when you can just get a game manager in free agency?

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I've always liked MM, would not mind that move at all

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I would love to add Mariota to our team. He would be an excellent pairing with Heineke because they have very similar styles and skill sets. The offense could be tailored to fit the two of them to maximize our ability to move the ball and score. The very real threat of their running gives the opposing D's more to prepare for then they would have to do to to stop a pocket passer. If the starter is injured in a game nothing changes on offense when the backup comes in. Same plays. Same skillset. Same productivity.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1277203]I would love to add Mariota to our team. He would be an excellent pairing with Heineke because they have very similar styles and skill sets. The offense could be tailored to fit the two of them to maximize our ability to move the ball and score. The very real threat of their running gives the opposing D's more to prepare for then they would have to do to to stop a pocket passer. If the starter is injured in a game nothing changes on offense when the backup comes in. Same plays. Same skillset. Same productivity.[/quote]

MM has better size and prob better arm talent so I'd say he'd be the QB1 but I agree with this.

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I 100% wouldn't want Marcus Mariota here.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1277203]I would love to add Mariota to our team. He would be an excellent pairing with Heineke because they have very similar styles and skill sets. The offense could be tailored to fit the two of them to maximize our ability to move the ball and score. The very real threat of their running gives the opposing D's more to prepare for then they would have to do to to stop a pocket passer. If the starter is injured in a game nothing changes on offense when the backup comes in. Same plays. Same skillset. Same productivity.[/quote]

I certainly wouldn't mind this either if no better options become available. Having a more mobile QB would hopefully improve our run game as well. If our D improves more next season, we could strive to be where the 49ers were season before last.

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Im late to this Taylor Heinike thing.

I was wondering why we didnt tender him since hes a RFA but the contract seems good.



Taylor Heinicke's 2-year contract includes salaries of $1 million and $1.5 million in 2021 and 2022, respectively.

The rest can be earned in bonuses/incentives, for a max value of $8.75 million. pic.twitter.com/Fy6rFnGJL7
— Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) February 11, 2021

I wonder what the bonus/incentives are but i like this. Min cap hit and if he takes live snaps in the reg season, his salary increases.

Im not a "Heinike should be our starter" but I like the contract and what RR did here.

Maybe the kid (like 27 yrs old) can ball? I loved what he did in that 1.5 games or so.

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[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/11/whats-next-for-the-seahawks-and-russell-wilson/"]What’s next for the Seahawks and Russell Wilson?[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1277221][URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/11/whats-next-for-the-seahawks-and-russell-wilson/"]What’s next for the Seahawks and Russell Wilson?[/URL][/quote]

Listened to a radio interview with Rich Eisen and RW yesterday...he clearly wants out, or wants more control on draft picks and FA signings.

He won't finish his career in Seattle.

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Apparently all the QBs should also be the GMs too.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1277224]Apparently all the QBs should also be the GMs too.[/quote]

Yeah, seriously.

Since when is having input on the roster something QB’s expect to have?

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I'm sorry but RW should not have fucking control over draft picks... This is getting a little ridiculous

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[quote=sevier2;1277225]Yeah, seriously.

Since when is having input on the roster something QB’s expect to have?[/quote]

Since Brady did that this past season and won the Super Bowl.

He didn't have a lot of saying on it in New England, but he sure as hell kept them from having a replacement for him (see Jimmy G. trade).

I don't agree with QBs having a saying on personnel matters, but then you see places like Green Bay, where they refuse to give Rodgers offensive weapons (and draft his replacement instead) or Seattle not giving Wilson an offensive line to protect him, I see their point.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1277227]Since Brady did that this past season and won the Super Bowl.

He didn't have a lot of saying on it in New England, but he sure as hell kept them from having a replacement for him (see Jimmy G. trade).

I don't agree with QBs having a saying on personnel matters, but then you see places like Green Bay, where they refuse to give Rodgers offensive weapons (and draft his replacement instead) or Seattle not giving Wilson an offensive line to protect him, I see their point.[/quote]

I would see their point but except for Brady I don’t see any of those guys giving a whole lotta money back on their 40 some million dollar a year contracts that they demand so they aren’t “disrespected” and then the team can’t sign or keep a ton of other decent players....then said QBs bitch they have no help....

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7. ***TRADE***

Washington Football Team receives:
2021 first-round pick (No. 7 overall)

Detroit Lions receive:
2021 first-round pick (No. 19 overall)
2021 third-round pick (No. 82 overall)
2022 first-round pick

Washington Football Team (via DET) — Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State

With Alex Smith, Kyle Allen and Taylor Heinicke, Washington has several short-term options at quarterback. But Lance would give the organization a young, high-upside player with the physical talent and football character that translates well to the pro level. With the competition for quarterbacks in this draft, it will likely take multiple draft picks, including a future first, to make this deal happen for Washington.

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No surprise but the WFT has called about Sam Darnold per ESPN

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I'm sure the WFT will be calling about any QB worth a damn that may be possibly available.

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[quote=MTK;1277232]I'm sure the WFT will be calling about any QB worth a damn that may be possibly available.[/quote]

As they should be doing.

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I didn't know he finished that well. Maybe we don't need to force a QB. Between Heinicke and Allen we can get it done if we have a good off-season at other positions.

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Due Diligence - :woot:

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277199]Why do that though when you can just get a game manager in free agency?[/quote]

Because Dak Prescott is the only current free agent available that I think is better than him right now. So that doesn’t say much for everyone other than Dak.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1277226]I'm sorry but RW should not have fucking control over draft picks... This is getting a little ridiculous[/QUOTE]


Dude’s been spending too much time with NBA pals

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[quote=HTTR;1277241]Dude’s been spending too much time with NBA pals[/quote]

If you were a QB with a habit of holding onto the ball too long you’d want to be able to draft all Olinemen who could allow you to continue to live you your dreams of completing 9 step drops instead of 5.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1277240]Because Dak Prescott is the only current free agent available that I think is better than him right now. So that doesn’t say much for everyone other than Dak.[/quote]

Yep, if he can come back healthy and 100%, Dak is probably a couple tiers above all "available" free agent QBs.

Mariota is not markedly better, if he's at all better, than the likes of J Winston, A Dalton, T Taylor, or R Fitzpatrick...probably not even J Brissett or M Trubisky - all of whom you don't have to trade assets for.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1277187]You misspelled “backup”. B a c k u p. K b a p s r. S b a r t e. T s r r a t e. S a r t t r e. S t a r t e r. Starter. There, I fixed it for you.[/quote]

Hahahahaha

Heineken 2021 lets gooooooo

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I wouldn't send a first for Carr, or Darnold. A 2nd maybe but I'm just.not parting ways with a #1 to bring a non winning (technically for carr) qb in here to learn a new system in an unknown off-season like this year at a #1 Pick value. I just value the #19 spot too much on a team with a lot of needs. Unless they address a lot of these needs with solid free agent pickups, and there are some but not many since we can't sign em all, I'd stand pat at 19. Carr and darnold while capable I've seen them play a helllll of a lot and I'm not RD 1 trade worthy impressed.... at all.

And a big hell no to T. Taylor

Hell.. anyone but Haskins starts all season long for this team and we are most likely a 10 win team and a much better team. Without having an outside qb coming in ehos available NOT named Stafford.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277246]Yep, if he can come back healthy and 100%, Dak is probably a couple tiers above all "available" free agent QBs.

Mariota is not markedly better, if he's at all better, than the likes of J Winston, A Dalton, T Taylor, or R Fitzpatrick...probably not even J Brissett or M Trubisky - all of whom you don't have to trade assets for.[/quote]

Disagree. Need someone decently young and mobile. Everyone you mention is not worth signing IMO due to age, mobility issues, injury history, INT issues and/or not being able to read defenses well.

Winston - Eats interceptions
Dalton - Red rocket explosion
Taylor - Mr. Glass
Fitzmagic - Old man INT
Brisket - Charred (in the garbage)
Trubisky - Too risky

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[quote=SkinzWin;1277249]Disagree. Need someone decently young and mobile. Everyone you mention is not worth signing IMO due to age, mobility issues, injury history, INT issues and/or not being able to read defenses well.

Winston - Eats interceptions
Dalton - Red rocket explosion
Taylor - Mr. Glass
Fitzmagic - Old man INT
Brisket - Charred (in the garbage)
Trubisky - Too risky[/quote]

Haha. Yep, that's my point. They ALL have flaws. That's why they are ALL currently backups. Neither is a great deal better than the others.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277250]Haha. Yep, that's my point. They ALL have flaws. That's why they are ALL currently backups. Neither is a great deal better than the others.[/quote]

I don’t see it that way.

Mariota - 27
Winston - 27
Dalton - 33
Taylor - 31
Fitzmagic - 38
Brisket - 27
Trubisky - 26

Out of these guys, those in their 30’s are washed up. Trubisky, Brisket and Winston have MAJOR flaws. I don’t see where Mariota has anything super glaring. Numbers are solid from a large enough sample size. I think he could be like Ryan Tannehill and be able to flourish in a system that’s a good fit for him. I think he could do well in WSH. I don’t think the others will do well anywhere.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1277251]I don’t see it that way.

Mariota - 27
Winston - 27
Dalton - 33
Taylor - 31
Fitzmagic - 38
Brisket - 27
Trubisky - 26

Out of these guys, those in their 30’s are washed up. Trubisky, Brisket and Winston have MAJOR flaws. I don’t see where Mariota has anything super glaring. Numbers are solid from a large enough sample size. I think he could be like Ryan Tannehill and be able to flourish in a system that’s a good fit for him. I think he could do well in WSH. I don’t think the others will do well anywhere.[/quote]

Oh I see. You think he could be like a Ryan Tannehill, the guy that came to Tennessee, replaced Mariota, played with the same players Mariota had, and made that team much better than it was with Mariota as the quarterback. Ok.

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I'd still roll with J Winston, T Taylor, or A Dalton before giving up a damn thing for the 'same guy' in a trade.

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I doubt Winston will be available. I suspect Payton sees him like a modern day Testaverde. If he can be cured of his INT throwing, he's got the skills to be a good QB.

I'd take Mariota if a better scenario didn't develop, but for a low cost trade. If someone offers the Raiders a 2nd or a 3rd, they're welcome to him, but if we could get him for say a 5th, that's not a bad result. Like Winston, it's not too late for him and he's shown signs; his worst season in Tenn was 2017 and overall he's rated a shade under 90. There's something to work with there.

But I'd still prefer us to use the draft even if it means rolling with Allen/Heinicke for next year.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1277257]I doubt Winston will be available. I suspect Payton sees him like a modern day Testaverde. If he can be cured of his INT throwing, he's got the skills to be a good QB.

I'd take Mariota if a better scenario didn't develop, but for a low cost trade. If someone offers the Raiders a 2nd or a 3rd, they're welcome to him, but if we could get him for say a 5th, that's not a bad result. Like Winston, it's not too late for him and he's shown signs; his worst season in Tenn was 2017 and overall he's rated a shade under 90. There's something to work with there.

But I'd still prefer us to use the draft even if it means rolling with Allen/Heinicke for next year.[/quote]

Good post.

I'd be willing to trade one of our two third round picks for Mariota.

I don't foresee our getting a QB we would want in the draft but stranger things have happened.

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I think Mac Jones at 19 is intriguing.. He looks to be pro ready but it's so hard to bank on a rookie

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277260]I think Mac Jones at 19 is intriguing.. He looks to be pro ready but it's so hard to bank on a rookie[/quote]

Jones can make all the throws. Isn't he a bit of a statue, though? Is he mobile enough for our ideal offense?

Also, I have a problem in general in trying to imagine how a QB who has stood untouched behind a dominant OL and thrown to wide open receivers throughout his college career might do in the pros when he will be under pressure throwing to receivers who are much more closely covered.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1277261]Jones can make all the throws. Isn't he a bit of a statue, though? Is he mobile enough for our ideal offense?

Also, I have a problem in general in trying to imagine how a QB who has stood untouched behind a dominant OL and thrown to wide open receivers throughout his college career might do in the pros when he will be under pressure throwing to receivers who are much more closely covered.[/quote]

This ^ Just don't trust him when he's had it so easy on that team. I could see him being another Ryan Mallett or Matt Cassel...talented, but just not quite good enough for NFL.