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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277368]Add an extra 10M for starting bonus Lombardi reported[/quote]

No. Total incentive bonuses, including playoff bonuses can total that. If he makes $20M, the WFT will have had a tremendous season. That would be a good thing.

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Why don't you think this organization has ever had success under Snyder - Sheehan

"QB #1, if you don't have a QB in this league you are not going to win" Jay

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277463]Why don't you think this organization has ever had success under Snyder - Sheehan

"QB #1, if you don't have a QB in this league you are not going to win" Jay[/quote]

I came away from that podcast with a better impression of Jay than I had. I think he could be a really good offensive coordinator somewhere as long as he has a decent QB. I think his hands were completely tied the whole time he was the head coach....not that that really surprises any of us. Would love to hear more stories like the one he told about Pierre and Desean...between management and these guys, no wonder KC wanted out of here.

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The Gruden interview with Sheehan was so good. Everyone should go and listen to it. Jay definitely has a future in broadcasting.

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Jay got some big Kudos from me as well, that guy never had a chance in DC. He was Dan's puppet the whole time.

Some interesting notes from the interview:

1. Kirk was never going to stay because he felt dissed by the RG3 situation (most of us guessed that)

2. The Kneel down situation was as bizarre as we all thought.

3. Jay never wanted Haskins , it was 100% all Dan and he knew they were taking him no matter what he told Dan.

4. He wanted to keep Kirk and Dan thought $$ was going to keep Cousins around lol. Yeah ok.

5. He emphasized "They need a QB and have never been able to find one" , said he wanted to get Smith in Free agency and KC won the trade.

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[quote=Redskins247;1277484]I came away from that podcast with a better impression of Jay than I had. I think he could be a really good offensive coordinator somewhere as long as he has a decent QB. I think his hands were completely tied the whole time he was the head coach....not that that really surprises any of us. Would love to hear more stories like the one he told about Pierre and Desean...between management and these guys, no wonder KC wanted out of here.[/quote]

I thought he was pretty good in Cincy. That offense made Cincy a tough team for both Pitt and Baltimore during that time.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277487]Jay got some big Kudos from me as well, that guy never had a chance in DC. He was Dan's puppet the whole time.

Some interesting notes from the interview:

1. Kirk was never going to stay because he felt dissed by the RG3 situation (most of us guessed that)

2. The Kneel down situation was as bizarre as we all thought.

3. Jay never wanted Haskins , it was 100% all Dan and he knew they were taking him no matter what he told Dan.

4. He wanted to keep Kirk and Dan thought $$ was going to keep Cousins around lol. Yeah ok.

5. He emphasized "They need a QB and have never been able to find one" , said he wanted to get Smith in Free agency and KC won the trade.[/quote]

Interesting that he said McCloughan basically underestimated Kirk's value. No wonder Kirk wanted out, from being second fiddle to RG3 to listening to ridiculous low ball offers from the team.

And like we all thought, should have traded him to SF when they had the chance. Probably could have got a nice package of picks for him.

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[quote=MTK;1277495]Interesting that he said McCloughan basically underestimated Kirk's value. No wonder Kirk wanted out, from being second fiddle to RG3 to listening to ridiculous low ball offers from the team.

And like we all thought, should have traded him to SF when they had the chance. Probably could have got a nice package of picks for him.[/quote]

Just goes to show you why this team has lost for so many years... I really hope this is a new leaf

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277497]Just goes to show you why this team has lost for so many years... I really hope this is a new leaf[/quote]

Jay had a good point that as the HC you can't control the culture if you don't have a say in who comes or goes. Ron has that at least.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277497]Just goes to show you why this team has lost for so many years... I really hope this is a new leaf[/quote]

I hope someone plays the interview for Ron...just so he truly knows what kind of boss he really has in Dan, and maybe he knows already...but I'll bet he's never seen the side of Dan that Jay did.

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Does he really need to see it to know its there? No smoke without fire.

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I'm sure Ron came into this situation with his eyes wide open.

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[quote=MTK;1277498]Jay had a good point that as the HC you can't control the culture if you don't have a say in who comes or goes. Ron has that at least.[/quote]

I preface this with saying I have not listened to the interview so my judgement mainly comes from the comments on the board. No one forced Gruden to stay for 5 years ending up with a net worth of 12Million dollars for coaching this team in a sea of mediocrity. From the comments here, I hear a whining motivationally challenged leader who neither inspired players, nor earned enough respect to even call the most basic goal line play in existence. Gruden may not have known DS before the RGIII/KC debacle, but by the Haskins draft he certainly had enough leverage to say if I don't get to pick the QB I'm leaving (and at that point someone would have hired him as a HC).

This isn't a defense of Snyder, but it's a fallacy at the highest to say that JG couldn't control the culture. He set the culture by accepting mediocrity, by not standing up for his players, and by being inept at understanding his players (for example: why set your qb up for failure by calling a play the WR doesn't like). The KC kneel even more now highlights a myriad of failures at a leadership level on both the part of KC and on Gruden.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277504]I preface this with saying I have not listened to the interview so my judgement mainly comes from the comments on the board. No one forced Gruden to stay for 5 years ending up with a net worth of 12Million dollars for coaching this team in a sea of mediocrity. From the comments here, I hear a whining motivationally challenged leader who neither inspired players, nor earned enough respect to even call the most basic goal line play in existence. Gruden may not have known DS before the RGIII/KC debacle, but by the Haskins draft he certainly had enough leverage to say if I don't get to pick the QB I'm leaving (and at that point someone would have hired him as a HC).

This isn't a defense of Snyder, but it's a fallacy at the highest to say that JG couldn't control the culture. He set the culture by accepting mediocrity, by not standing up for his players, and by being inept at understanding his players (for example: why set your qb up for failure by calling a play the WR doesn't like). The KC kneel even more now highlights a myriad of failures at a leadership level on both the part of KC and on Gruden.[/quote]

He wasn't whining and he acknowledged he knew what he was signing up for. He was just speaking to the challenges here. It's a good listen check it out.

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When Carr was mentioned Gruden said "Well yeah but he's not available and my brother loves him"

Sounds like Carr isn't going anywhere

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277507]When Carr was mentioned Gruden said "Well yeah but he's not available [B]and my brother loves him[/B]"

Sounds like Carr isn't going anywhere[/quote]

Now that's funny. Are we sure Jay wasn't smoking pot before the interview?

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REPORT: Panthers are preparing to make a strong push for Deshaun Watson and "will do whatever it takes” to get him, including giving up three first-round draft picks and Christian McCaffrey

(H/T :
@DNewtonespn
)

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[quote=Ruhskins;1277508]Now that's funny. Are we sure Jay wasn't smoking pot before the interview?[/quote]

Sounds like it. The other Gruden has been complaining about Carr since he got there.

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If I'm Houston I pull the trigger on that deal Asap

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277509]REPORT: Panthers are preparing to make a strong push for Deshaun Watson and "will do whatever it takes” to get him, including giving up three first-round draft picks and Christian McCaffrey

(H/T :
@DNewtonespn
)[/quote]

Whoa.. Houston should take this offer.

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Doesn't McCaffrey have to agree to that?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277509]REPORT: Panthers are preparing to make a strong push for Deshaun Watson and "will do whatever it takes” to get him, including giving up three first-round draft picks and Christian McCaffrey

(H/T :
@DNewtonespn
)[/quote]

Looks like this is more of a prediction by the reporter, as opposed to a report:

[url]https://twitter.com/DNewtonespn/status/1361769618482855943[/url]

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1277514]Doesn't McCaffrey have to agree to that?[/quote]

Nope

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Based on what I've read on the Watson situation, whether he gets traded or not is going to depend both on the Texans AND Watson.

I doubt Watson is going to go the Jets or a McCaffrey-less Panthers team or New England or any rebuilding team. Watson will likely going to want to go to a team where he can compete right away. Outside of Miami, I don't think there are many teams that have the draft capital, cap space, and personnel to lure Watson.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1277516]Based on what I've read on the Watson situation, whether he gets traded or not is going to depend both on the Texans AND Watson.

I doubt Watson is going to go the Jets or a McCaffrey-less Panthers team or New England or any rebuilding team. Watson will likely going to want to go to a team where he can compete right away. Outside of Miami, I don't think there are many teams that have the draft capital, cap space, and personnel to lure Watson.[/quote]

just don't see anyone giving up multiple years 1st rounders for watson. miami's going to give up on tua after one year? no way.

i still believe watson plays for the texans or sits at home. watson and his camp are just making a bunch of noise i believe.

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I don't think Tua would be a deciding factor for Miami. Hell yeah they'd give up on him for Watson, that's not even a question.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1277518]just don't see anyone giving up multiple years 1st rounders for watson. miami's going to give up on tua after one year? no way.

i still believe watson plays for the texans or sits at home. watson and his camp are just making a bunch of noise i believe.[/quote]

I think probably 1/3 of the league would give up multiple 1st rounders for Watson.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1277518]just don't see anyone giving up multiple years 1st rounders for watson. miami's going to give up on tua after one year? no way.

i still believe watson plays for the texans or sits at home. watson and his camp are just making a bunch of noise i believe.[/quote]

I think it'd be stupid for the Texans to pull a Bruce Allen and insist on keeping a player, that has trade value, who doesn't want to play for them anymore.

The Texans are in rebuild mode, and getting 3 first rounders, would set them up for a nice rebuild for the next two years. No one expect them to be good this year, and they would likely have a high draft pick or be able to trade up in 2022.

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The Jets are so far away from being good , Watson wouldn’t save them right now so there is no point in giving up 3 1s if I’m the Jets

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277523]The Jets are so far away from being good , Watson wouldn’t save them right now so there is no point in giving up 3 1s if I’m the Jets[/quote]

Honestly if I'm the Jets, I'm dealing Darnold to the highest bidder, keeping all my draft picks, and drafting Zach Wilson at #2.

They could end up with the 2nd best QB in the draft in Wilson, and six more picks in the top 100: #s 23, 34, 66, 87, 98, and whatever they get for Darnold.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277523]The Jets are so far away from being good , Watson wouldn’t save them right now so there is no point in giving up 3 1s if I’m the Jets[/quote]

I’m starting to think that the Texans are going to be their own worst enemy (yet again) and instead of striking while the iron was hot initially, they going to deny or slow play trading Watson and then after the draft when they realize that he’s serious and isn’t going to play ball with McNair and the Boys, will get only a fraction in future picks because the QB market will have been filled by rookie draftees in many cities.

This whole 3 1st business isn’t going to take off.

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[quote=MTK;1277495]Interesting that he said McCloughan basically underestimated Kirk's value. No wonder Kirk wanted out, from being second fiddle to RG3 to listening to ridiculous low ball offers from the team.

And like we all thought, should have traded him to SF when they had the chance. Probably could have got a nice package of picks for him.[/quote]

Also makes me wonder who pulled the trigger on the Alex Smith trade, was that a Bruce Allen play? At the time I agreed why we gave up such a high price for a guy who was about to be replaced.

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I still like the Alex trade. Fuller is solid, but not a game-changer. We needed to get a QB. And we were winning games until that devastating injury. Trades are always risky in any sport, but even moreso in the NFL, due to the frequency of injuries, let alone the most brutal ever.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1277532]I still like the Alex trade. Fuller is solid, but not a game-changer. We needed to get a QB. And we were winning games until that devastating injury. Trades are always risky in any sport, but even moreso in the NFL, due to the frequency of injuries, let alone the most brutal ever.[/quote]

That's true, I believe we were 6-3 when he got hurt.. Jay talked about it in his interview

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1277532]I still like the Alex trade. Fuller is solid, but not a game-changer. We needed to get a QB. And we were winning games until that devastating injury. Trades are always risky in any sport, but even moreso in the NFL, due to the frequency of injuries, let alone the most brutal ever.[/quote]

Yeah I liked the trade then, knowing that Kirk wasn't coming back.

I haven't listened to the Jay G interview yet, but didn't Jay say that he thought that they might have been able to sign Alex (rather than trade for him), because KC probably would have released him?

I'm wondering now, if RR and company really like Mariota, since his cap hit will be so much for a backup QB, if they don't just wait to see if LV releases him. I'm not sure what (if any) cap hit LV would incur if they just outright released him.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277544]Yeah I liked the trade then, knowing that Kirk wasn't coming back.

I haven't listened to the Jay G interview yet, but didn't Jay say that he thought that they might have been able to sign Alex (rather than trade for him), because KC probably would have released him?

I'm wondering now, if RR and company really like Mariota, since his cap hit will be so much for a backup QB, if they don't just wait to see if LV releases him. I'm not sure what (if any) cap hit LV would incur if they just outright released him.[/quote]

I haven't listened either. That seems to the consensus on what he said about Alex.

I don't think there are 32 QBs better than Mariota. That's a risky game if you want him on the team next year.

That being said, I want to wait to see how the draft plays out before trading for anyone. I'd rather have a rookie than a veteran.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1277546]I haven't listened either. That seems to the consensus on what he said about Alex.

I don't think there are 32 QBs better than Mariota. That's a risky game if you want him on the team next year.

That being said, I want to wait to see how the draft plays out before trading for anyone. I'd rather have a rookie than a veteran.[/quote]

It's risky for sure. If they do indeed want him.

There's no guarantee a QB they like will fall to #19, or that anyone will take an offer to trade up to get a QB they like. So I don't think they can wait until the draft plays out before addressing the QB situation. That's almost May... Free agency opens on March 17th. I would expect them to be actively pursuing a QB in free agency, if they haven't already traded for a Veteran. It will be hard to lure a top WR or TE here with Heinicke as the only QB on the roster. Even if Smith is still hanging around.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277547]It's risky for sure. If they do indeed want him.

There's no guarantee a QB they like will fall to #19, or that anyone will take an offer to trade up to get a QB they like. So I don't think they can wait until the draft plays out before addressing the QB situation. That's almost May... Free agency opens on March 17th. I would expect them to be actively pursuing a QB in free agency, if they haven't already traded for a Veteran. It will be hard to lure a top WR or TE here with Heinicke as the only QB on the roster. Even if Smith is still hanging around.[/quote]

Word. Definitely more than 1 way to go about handling the QB situation. I'm not locked into any 1 idea and all the rest are bad. That's just my personal preference.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1277549]Word. Definitely more than 1 way to go about handling the QB situation. I'm not locked into any 1 idea and all the rest are bad. That's just my personal preference.[/quote]

I'm not sure I have a preference at this point. Whatever they do won't satisfy everyone. It's tough with half the league looking to solidify their QB situation. It's a good year to be a free agent QB.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277550]I'm not sure I have a preference at this point. [B]Whatever they do won't satisfy everyone.[/B] It's tough with half the league looking to solidify their QB situation. It's a good year to be a free agent QB.[/quote]

100% true. Reason number 1 why front offices shouldn't give 2 shits about the fan's opinions, when it comes to player acquisition. There are give or take a million fans in this country for every team (and this is probably a conservative estimate). No matter what they do the majority will dislike it.

Every offseason is interesting, but in terms of the QB position, it's definitely more interesting than most years. We're all guessing how it will turn out.