Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

[QUOTE=Stacks42;230900]Get Campbell in there as soon as possible! I am sure he can complete a 10 yard dump off pass to Cooley (the one that MB either over throws or skips off the turf 3 yds short). Or a pass over the middle to Llyod or Moss, the ones that MB overthrows, almost getting his WR's killed. JC should be given the reigns and allowed to learn the system, like the Steelers did with Big Ben, Run the damn ball and give your you QB a chance to make good plays (dont set him up for disaster).[/QUOTE]

Yep, there are plenty of rookie QBs that come in and play good enough to let their team win. Even more 2nd year QBs (which is what JC is). JC is not a rookie so I dont understand why there is this reluctance or season is over attitude toward letting JC play.

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

Thus far this season, I have been an advocate of Mark Brunell remaining the starting quarterback. I have been an advocate because I believe that he isn't the reason why we lost games we should have won (Minnesota & Tennessee). I still feel that way, and my opinion is that he will remain the starting quarterback until he gets hurt, or we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. The bigger question is how do we make our defense better, not when we will switch quarterbacks, but that is for another thread. Bottom line is once we are eliminated from the wildcard picture, we will probably see a quarterback change. If we do get eliminated from contention and we don't see a quarterback change, then I will really begin to question what's going on with the coaching staff. Sorry guys but Brunell is the guy for now, and if the rest of the team improves around him we still have a good chance at this. He can't do it alone...no quarterback can. Not even JC.

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

If Mark Brunell comes out flat, and can't get Moss and Co. the ball in INDI and that's why we lose... Brunell is out.

The questions are now in his face. The idea is floating around, but he's being ole' Joe Gibbs and staying the course. I just think if it blows up in his face in INDI, He can't start him after the bye.

It'll be the perfect opportunity to give JC a head start, he knows that. He wants above all for his team to win, and if he has an epiphany at the INDI game the switch will be made.

Granted the reason we lose HAS to be Mark. Brunell has to prove the skeptics right. Not very likely... but not very unlikely either. Brunell may lose his own Job this week. It's up to him.

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

good post Rob

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

I have a bad feeling we are going to drop one to either the Bucs or the Panthers. JC makes his first start following whichever one we lose.

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

[quote=illdefined;230866]gotta love hearing that. "win now". since we've been doing so much of that.

here's a question, what do you think our record would be had we practiced and started Campbell this season? while i'm sure our INT count would be higher, i think our TD count would be higher as well...

oh, that said, i agree with Matty. Gibbs wouldn't sit Brunell until he had to by injury, or had to by defeat and front office pressure (8 losses). sigh.[/quote]

It is a rare Rook that has other than catastrophic first years with 2+ints, a fumble or two thrown in for enterainment per game, sub 50% completion ratio. That coupled with a Defense that gets beaten like a rented mule, and an O that is ineffective, with no running game, doesn't sound like the keys to success. If anything else were working, and the QB were the only possible weak link, it would be different. That just is not the case. Bringing in JC in this environment is going to be rough on him. However, we get beat by Indy, I'm for the JC era to begin

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

You're absolutely right, RobH. The idea that he may be benched is floating around Brunell's head this week. From the booing he received at home on Sunday to the fact that ESPN felt it necessary to put that he was getting the start v. the Colts on it's bottomline (which I thought was very telling) he's been forced to face the possiblity that he may be close to losing his job.
Hopefully this causes him to man up on Sunday and he can prove many of us (including myself) wrong.

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

we all forget that JC isn't a rookie! if it's because he still hasn't started a game, then how do you ever stop "being a rookie" if you never play?

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

[quote=TAFKAS;230899]Moss has also praised Brunell several times this year. But I guess the only quotes that matter are the ones out of frustration[/quote]

The players have publicly backed Brunell at every chance. I really don't think there is any internal turmoil over the QB situation. They understand that Brunell is not the sole cause of the struggles.

That being said I'm sure they would also back Campbell 110%.

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;230935]The players have publicly backed Brunell at every chance. I really don't think there is any internal turmoil over the QB situation. They understand that Brunell is not the sole cause of the struggles.

That being said I'm sure they would also back Campbell 110%.[/quote]
I mean, I think that says more about Joe Gibbs (no public turmoil) then the players' thoughts themselves. I want to scream at Brunell sometimes... can you imagine what you'd want to do/say if your Santana Moss? I think Joe Gibbs makes it clear, "if you've got a problem.. come to me, not the media who won't give you answers..", he's always had that kind of mentality (from what I've seen).

I agree that they understand that Brunell is not the sole cause to all of their struggles, but any potential coaching decision (whether or not it's the right one) that isn't made, players will talk about it amoungst themselves. The key difference is that with Joe Gibbs, we don't ever know about it and thats a damn good thing. (see New York Giants)

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

As soon as you want to concede the season, make the switch.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;230984]As soon as you want to concede the season, make the switch.[/QUOTE]
You assume that Brunell is our best option right now - I'm not sure that I would concede that. The way he's playing, he'll probably finish up 5-4, which is not a playoff record. I think Campbell can do 5-4, if not better, although he may lose a couple up front as he gets acclimated.

At this point, though, our best shot is with a shakeup. Time may prove that sticking with Brunell gets us to the playoffs, but all that means is that lower percentage option hit. I'll take the odds, thank you.

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

I love that the Skins are rallying behind Brunell, but how many wide receivers must he skip passes to before we stop romanticizing our qb situation?

If JC doesn't start, at the very least move him up to #2 and put him in for a series or two each half and see if he gives us a spark. If the only argument for keeping Brunell is that he doesn't lose games, well that's not something we have to worry about since we're not winning games right now. Put in Campbell, pound the ball, and playing qb gets easier. But I think the reason we can't point to QB as a problem is because we can't point to anything that's working.

As for Brunell, he's a 14 year vet, and this isn't the first time a first rounder was brought in to compete for his job (Leftwich, Jax). He's a pro, and I'm sure that he'll be for whatever helps the team win.

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

[quote=memphisskin;230998]I love that the Skins are rallying behind Brunell, but how many wide receivers must he skip passes to before we stop romanticizing our qb situation?

If JC doesn't start, at the very least move him up to #2 and put him in for a series or two each half and see if he gives us a spark. If the only argument for keeping Brunell is that he doesn't lose games, well that's not something we have to worry about since we're not winning games right now. Put in Campbell, pound the ball, and playing qb gets easier. But I think the reason we can't point to QB as a problem is because we can't point to anything that's working.

As for Brunell, he's a 14 year vet, and this isn't the first time a first rounder was brought in to compete for his job (Leftwich, Jax). He's a pro, and I'm sure that he'll be for whatever helps the team win.[/quote]


good points, but...did anyone but me watch the youtube clips of JC's preseason?? dude, he look wonderful!!!!! better than brunell has loooked in the last 3 years, hands down!(except maybe that Dallas Game on the comeback!)

i agree, Gibbs doesnt want to raise the white flag until absolutley necessary. I presonally thinks he wont do it because of snyder i mean come on how pissed would he be if this (early?) we conceded the season? after he spent all that $$$$ staff and players?

just a thought,....

Re: Jason Campbell: when will the switch be made?
 

I agree with memphis' idea of moving JC up to #2.