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[quote=Mattyk;809929]I'm just tired of the circus, as I'm sure many in Redskins Park are too as well. We've got more important things to worry about. Get him outta here and let's move on.[/quote]

But that's an emotional reaction, we're all fatigued by his bullshit. But we shouldn't let the emotion get the best of us; after all his feelings about the 3-4 are what's driving this whole thing anyway.

Feelings change over time. I remain convinced he'll come around.

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[quote=Schneed10;809940]But that's an emotional reaction, we're all fatigued by his bullshit. But we shouldn't let the emotion get the best of us; after all his feelings about the 3-4 are what's driving this whole thing anyway.

Feelings change over time. I remain convinced he'll come around.[/quote]

Honestly, I feel that even if AH had a good attitude about the 3-4, playing him in this system it'd be a waste.

I must say that you give him a lot of credit if you feel like he'll come around. Unfortunately I don't and if he stays it'll be a circus all over again.

Re: Report claims Redskins won't cut Haynesworth
 

[quote=Schneed10;809940]But that's an emotional reaction, we're all fatigued by his bullshit. But we shouldn't let the emotion get the best of us; after all his feelings about the 3-4 are what's driving this whole thing anyway.
[B]
Feelings change over time. I remain convinced he'll come around.[/B][/quote]

Well, he's going to need to have a massive attitude/effort overhaul, and win over a locker room full of players and coaches who not only don't respect him, but have been openly critical of him in the media.

Re: Report claims Redskins won't cut Haynesworth
 

[quote=Ruhskins;809949]Honestly, I feel that even if AH had a good attitude about the 3-4, playing him in this system it'd be a waste.

I must say that you give him a lot of credit if you feel like he'll come around. [B]Unfortunately I don't and if he stays it'll be a circus all over again[/B].[/quote]

Agreed. The guy has shown over and over again both on the field and off that he has no desire whatsoever to be a good man or a good football player. He's got his money. What's going to motivate him?

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[quote=GMScud;809951]Agreed. The guy has shown over and over again both on the field and off that he has no desire whatsoever to be a good man or a good football player. He's got his money. What's going to motivate him?[/quote]

More money.

You act like he's not spending that giant wad of cash and instead pulling a Carson Palmer or Robert Smith and saving for retirement. With a yacht like his, you know he's blowing through that money.

I'm not giving him any credit as a person. I think the only thing that's going to motivate the guy is cold hard cash.

One of these days he's going to have to play in a dominant fashion if he wants another contract. And he will have to do it for more than just one full season in order to convince people he deserves a big payday. You know his agent is telling him that.

It's just a matter of whether we force him to do it with us, or allow him to do it with someone else.

Re: Report claims Redskins won't cut Haynesworth
 

[quote=Schneed10;809963]More money.

You act like he's not spending that giant wad of cash and instead pulling a Carson Palmer or Robert Smith and saving for retirement. With a yacht like his, you know he's blowing through that money.

I'm not giving him any credit as a person. I think the only thing that's going to motivate the guy is cold hard cash.

[B]One of these days he's going to have to play in a dominant fashion if he wants another contract.[/B] And he will have to do it for more than just one full season in order to convince people he deserves a big payday. You know his agent is telling him that.

It's just a matter of whether we force him to do it with us, or allow him to do it with someone else.[/quote]

Meh, he's already 30. He had his big payday. Even if he goes balls out the next 2 years, nobody is going to give an aging DT with major attitude problems another monster contract.

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Players like Haynesworth are too well protected by the rules that have been put in place through union representation and CBA's. I well remember a time when he would not be able to play another down for any team in the league. The only contract he would see would be the one taken out on him.

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The guy has no heart or passion for the game, I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of football completely sooner rather than later.

Re: Report claims Redskins won't cut Haynesworth
 

[quote=Mattyk;809977]Meh, he's already 30. He had his big payday. Even if he goes balls out the next 2 years, nobody is going to give an aging DT with major attitude problems another monster contract.[/quote]

But Haynesworth won't think that way. If anything, as he ages he'll realize he has only one more chance to cash in and it's getting to the midnight hour, and his attitude will change.

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And you need look no further than Michael Vick to see that teams are willing to take a shot on a questionable player. He's out of football, you don't know whether he'll still have any athleticism, the Eagles take a chance with a $5 million deal and boom, instant franchise QB.

If Haynesworth continues to act like a bum, he'll still get a couple mill from somebody just on the off chance he might dominate. But if he actually dominates for us in the closing years of his deal? Someone will pay him a big chunk of change, guaranteed.

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Just for the record - I am in 100% agreement with Schneed on this. Every day, Coach Mike should walk by AH and blatantly ignore the guy.

I got no problem having him sit on the bench/be inactive all season. One less roster spot? Fine - Practice him hard for a week, let him bitch & complain about shortness of breath or some other lame minor injury and then IR him for the season. He's out of the clubhouse, we get our roster spot and his big payday shrinks further & further.

The more I think of it, the more I like this idea - I wouldn't be surprised if Shanallen are just standing by the "IR button" hoping AH complains of an injury:
AH: (To Shanahan while walking off the practice field) I think I stubbed my toe and can't practice.
MS: If you are injured, hit the showers - otherwise get your ass back out there.
[Shockingly, AH hits the showers]
BA: (On AH's cellphone as AH is leaving the showers) Hey, Albert just heard about your toe injury. As a precautionary measure, we've placed you on IR. I'm sure you'll want to work out with your own trainer, so see you next year.

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Yeah I hear you but Vick was a different type of gamble.

I just don't see AH playing at an all-pro level on a consistent basis for anyone. Not only would he have to get his ass in gear and start ballin', but he would have to lose the shitty attitude. Not happening. He got paid, he's happy, and now he's just content on playing out the string.

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[quote=Mattyk;809999]Yeah I hear you but Vick was a different type of gamble.

I just don't see AH playing at an all-pro level on a consistent basis for anyone. Not only would he have to get his ass in gear and start ballin', but he would have to lose the shitty attitude. Not happening. He got paid, he's happy, [B]and now he's just content on playing out the string[/B].[/quote]

This is the $64,000 question and, to answer it, we are all just guessing as to what is going in AH's head. You (and others) think he's checked out and content to play out the string so keeping him around does nothing. I (and others) think he still gives a sh** about something (money, legacy, notoriety ... something he needs to be playing football to get) and so taking football away from him will get him to play well for us (for a year) and then we can get a decent trade for him.

I agree he has "no heart or passion [I]for the game[/I]" but I think he does have passion about [I]something[/I] and needs football to get it (whatever "it" is). Not being gifted with ESP, it is entirely possible that you may be right as to his future motivational potential.

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[quote=Schneed10;809992]And you need look no further than Michael Vick to see that teams are willing to take a shot on a questionable player. He's out of football, you don't know whether he'll still have any athleticism, the Eagles take a chance with a $5 million deal and boom, instant franchise QB.

If Haynesworth continues to act like a bum, he'll still get a couple mill from somebody just on the off chance he might dominate. But if he actually dominates for us in the closing years of his deal? Someone will pay him a big chunk of change, guaranteed.[/quote]
His ego is greater than his Pavlovian desires. He thinks that he's the shit and that the 4-3 of the Jim Schwartz variety is THE WAY to use him, and it's 'his way or the highway". If he had any brains, he would have realized that he ain't the boss and that he wasn't going to get his way.

Vick underwent an entire attitude change in which he finally put the time in the film room and other areas and not just relying on natural talent. Haynesworth would probably walk in there thinking that he's back in Tennessee and back to doing "his thing", which includes him never finishing a whole season due to injury(for whatever reason) and embellishing injuries just to take a play off.

Re: Report claims Redskins won't cut Haynesworth
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;810017]His ego is greater than his Pavlovian desires. He thinks that he's the shit and that the 4-3 of the Jim Schwartz variety is THE WAY to use him, and it's 'his way or the highway". If he had any brains, he would have realized that he ain't the boss and that he wasn't going to get his way.

Vick underwent an entire attitude change in which he finally put the time in the film room and other areas and not just relying on natural talent. Haynesworth would probably walk in there thinking that he's back in Tennessee and back to doing "his thing", which includes him never finishing a whole season due to injury(for whatever reason) and embellishing injuries just to take a play off.[/quote]

Vick had the attitude change because he sat in jail, unable to play football and unable to earn the living he was used to.

Same thing with Haynesworth. You don't need jail to accomplish the same thing. You just have to take the opportunity to deny him the ability to earn that next contract. If he's non-compliant, you deactivate him without pay like we did at the end of last season.

Human nature is what it is. Sure he's a piece of crap, but he's still motivated by something.

Keep in mind that as soon as he ends up on a team in a 4-3 defense, he'll turn it on and dominate. Can you in good conscience let that happen? I could accept it if we got a high pick in return, but we all know that's not going to happen. Might as well sit on him.