Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=TAFKAS;227706]I loved Trent Green when he was here, wish he would have stayed. But he didn't leave because of a front office mistake. It was just poor timing that he was a free agent while we were transitioning from one owner to another. It wasn't anyone's fault.[/quote]

Yeah..but cassedy was still our general manager through the cooke era to the beginning of the synder era....after not re-signing green...he went out and traded one of our first round draft picks to the vikings for brad johnson(remember we had two first rounders because Carolina signed our franchise player sean gilbert)...so i blame charlie cassedy

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=rotahe39;227911]Yeah..but cassedy was still our general manager through the cooke era to the beginning of the synder era....after not re-signing green...he went out and traded one of our first round draft picks to the vikings for brad johnson(remember we had two first rounders because Carolina signed our franchise player sean gilbert)...so i blame charlie cassedy[/quote]


Casserly claims he was hamstrung by the ownership thing. He says now that he did not have the authority he needed to re-sign Trent and that by the time he got the authority, Johnson was the best available alternative.

Of course, some of the ownership issues were the fault of Casserly himself. He was working very hard behind the scenes to derail the Millstein bid. I think he was hoping that the Cooke Foundation would fall back on John Cooke's offer once the Millsteins were rejected by the league owners. Who really knows? I think Green would have left for St. Louis to be with Dick Vermeil and Mike Martz no matter how much dough we offered him. I don't remember him being that upset that we didn't make a stronger play to sign him. It seems to me he got out as quickly as he could.

For those interested. Mr. Cooke's Will is here:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/cooke/]WashingtonPost.com: Jack Kent Cooke's Will: Index Page[/url]

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

Ok I told you so, and I was wrong about Brunnel. He can lose a game for you and he sucks.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[QUOTE=rotahe39;227911]Yeah..but cassedy was still our general manager through the cooke era to the beginning of the synder era....after not re-signing green...he went out and traded one of our first round draft picks to the vikings for brad johnson(remember we had two first rounders because Carolina signed our franchise player sean gilbert)...so i blame charlie cassedy[/QUOTE]

Who the hell is Charlie Cassedy? Let's suppose you meant Charlie Casserly. How would he sign anyone if there's no owner to write the check?

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS;229185]Who the hell is Charlie Cassedy? Let's suppose you meant Charlie Casserly. How would he sign anyone if there's no owner to write the check?[/QUOTE]

He's butch's brother.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=70Chip;227913]Casserly claims he was hamstrung by the ownership thing. He says now that he did not have the authority he needed to re-sign Trent and that by the time he got the authority, Johnson was the best available alternative.

Of course, some of the ownership issues were the fault of Casserly himself. He was working very hard behind the scenes to derail the Millstein bid. I think he was hoping that the Cooke Foundation would fall back on John Cooke's offer once the Millsteins were rejected by the league owners. Who really knows? I think Green would have left for St. Louis to be with Dick Vermeil and Mike Martz no matter how much dough we offered him. I don't remember him being that upset that we didn't make a stronger play to sign him. It seems to me he got out as quickly as he could.

For those interested. Mr. Cooke's Will is here:

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/cooke/"]WashingtonPost.com: Jack Kent Cooke's Will: Index Page[/URL][/quote]

Thanks for shining some light on this. People really need to do some homework before blabbing on and on about who to blame.

The ownership thing really held up what we could do. Plus as you said, Green was eager to go back home to St. Louis to play and he took full advantage of the opportunity he was given. He was probably out of here no matter what. And it's not like Brad Johnson wasn't a good pickup, but we messed that thing all up and ran him out of town about 5 years too early.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

You guys are forgetting Champ. He's balling his ass off. And we got the worst of the Denver deal. Portis is great but we also gave up a 2nd rounder along with Bailey in that deal. So potentially two starters for Portis. In my opinion I would have paid Bailey and kept the draft pick. And don't forget to blame Gibbs becasue he is part of the problem.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

OK. What do we do now. Do they cut Archuletta? He would be a 10 million dollar hit against our cap. I just don't understand. Last year we were two games from the super bowl. All we were lacking was another wide reciever and a good corner. Now we need a completely new defense. We have got to get a real GM. One that unerstands talent. Joe Gibbs needs to leave personnel decisions to someone else and do what he does best, coach.

The Shape of the Redskins
 

Wow. I can vividly remember the 0-5 start when Gibbs first came here back in February of '80. He radically changed the Redskins over a bye week with a consistant power running game. Then Gibbs made 4 Super Bowl appearences, 3 of which he won. The brings me to todays loss. If the genious himself cannot turn around the ship, then what is the future of the Redskins? If Joe Gibbs can't fix it, then no other coach probably can. It seems since Jack Kent Cooke died the Redskins organization has been in a state of Emergency. It seems to bring back the winning ways to Washington you need to chop the head off the snake.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

Those were different teams, with WAY different players.

Prepare for the 'duplicate/unnecessary thread' smackdown, though.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

We're a complete, utter mess. We'll need a complete overhaul whenever Joe decides to move on. We have no QB, and the defense - the supposed rock of our team - is terrible. I just hope all the talk about Gregg Williams replacing Gibbs one day stops now.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

they didnt have a bye week then

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

[quote=Beemnseven;232554]Those were different teams, with WAY different players.

Prepare for the 'duplicate/unnecessary thread' smackdown, though.[/quote]
Totally agree. This D line has nobody who can consistently rush the passer, and little depth at DT (two rookies). I'm convinced that Saunders will improve the offense over the long haul, but lack of quality players and depth in the trenches will be the downfall of this team.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

First you need to find a GM and trust him to find a coach to use the talent right. Use the draft wisely something we havent done since danny boy been here. Stop sign these dumb over price fa that just want to come here and get paid.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

One thing that would help the offense and defense would be a threat of a passing game on offense.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

What's up with the offensive line? The last two weeks both Chris and Jon have given up sacks in the the same game. I've never seen that happen once let alone two weeks in-a-row

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

our defense just isn't good enough. we won't make the playoffs, and even if we did, we don't have enough to win. not unless everyone turns into all-stars overnight.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

its all about evaluating talent. paying more money for a player doesn't equal a better player. instead of paying AA, the skins should have kept Clark, and brought in a quality corner. and our o line play has been terrible. i think they are going to get portis killed

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

and as much as i hate to say this, walt harris is an upgrade over wright and rumph

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

hindsight. champ couldn't be paid cause we paid lavar. at the time that was widely regarded as a mistake though (if lavar didn't get injuried so quickly afterwards, maybe it wouldn't have seemed so bad). the first year after the trade, bailey was in 4-5 nationally televised games and looked terrible in every single one of them.

this year he looks unstoppable though.

Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark.
 

[quote=CPDAMAN;232488]OK. What do we do now. Do they cut Archuletta? He would be a 10 million dollar hit against our cap. I just don't understand. Last year we were two games from the super bowl. All we were lacking was another wide reciever and a good corner. Now we need a completely new defense. We have got to get a real GM. One that unerstands talent. Joe Gibbs needs to leave personnel decisions to someone else and do what he does best, coach.[/quote]

the 4 deals are 3-4 year deals with 3-4 year options, more or less. the base pay is close to 1mill per (+pro rated signing bonus), and then balloon up to 4mill per year (+pro rated bonus) the last few years.

so it'll be cheaper to keep them through at least 2008, even though they can't play. but yeah, it definately hurts when you miss on players with big money. none of them were first tier free agents (except maybe El who was on the borderline due to a weak WR free agent AND draft class), but they all got first tier money.

4 first tier DEs (bosch, kampman, abraham, and freeney) were available, but three signed with their original teams, and abraham was traded for a 1st (too much for a guy that only cares about his pay checks and love to make excuses to miss games).

a guy like darren howard would have been better (and MUCH MUCH) cheaper than carter. oh well. maybe we'll get it right next year.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

[quote=dmek25;232666]and as much as i hate to say this, walt harris is an upgrade over wright and rumph[/quote]

yeah, but the grass is always greener :/. too bad though, we've let a few good players go the last couple of years, while replacing them with (generally more expensive) less talented players.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

[quote=Citizens for 81;232580]What's up with the offensive line? The last two weeks both Chris and Jon have given up sacks in the the same game. I've never seen that happen once let alone two weeks in-a-row[/quote]

because the ends know we are done running the ball and all they have to do is go after the QB. any quality DE will be able to beat the tackle if they can just straight rush the QB. its when they have to play both run, screens, and pass rush that slow them down a bit.

Re: The Shape of the Redskins
 

[QUOTE=Citizens for 81;232580]What's up with the offensive line? The last two weeks both Chris and Jon have given up sacks in the the same game. I've never seen that happen once let alone two weeks in-a-row[/QUOTE]

Samuels and Jansen have been awful and for the most part have gotten a free pass from all the criticism of the offense this year. And Samuels can't use the excuse that he has to protect the blindside anymore.

What's most sad though is that Chris Samuels will probably get another Pro Bowl nod yet again this year. Samuels continually making the Pro Bowl is as much a farce as Monk continually not making the Hall of Fame

Re: The State of the Redskins (MERGED)
 

Samuels needed help yesterday, but it seems like all year we haven't given the OL much help from the TEs or backs. Gibbs went a little overboard with all the max protect stuff last year, but you know at times the offense functioned a hell of a lot more effeciently that it has this year.

Re: The State of the Redskins (MERGED)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;232730]Samuels needed help yesterday, but it seems like all year we haven't given the OL much help from the TEs or backs. Gibbs went a little overboard with all the max protect stuff last year, but you know at times the offense functioned a hell of a lot more effeciently that it has this year.[/quote]

it worked last year, so we're going to scrap it this year :(.

it's harder to protect when the other team knows you're passing 90% of the time, and right now, we run portis left and right (outside), get stuffed, and quit running for the rest of the game. our screens and runs all seem to go right into the flat, so i'd think it'd be a pretty easy offense to defend. even last year we didn't use the middle of the field, but at least we went deep and kept people off the line.

Re: The State of the Redskins (MERGED)
 

we run 4-5 screen passes a game, that haven't worked for crap. we have run outside consistently, which hasn't worked. and we use minimum protection for brunell, which hasn't worked. can anyone say adjustments?

Re: The State of the Redskins (MERGED)
 

You can add Derrick Dockery to this list and Leddell Betts. I am sure they are going to say they priced themselves right out of the market

Re: The State of the Redskins (MERGED)
 

[quote=CPDAMAN;233117]You can add Derrick Dockery to this list and Leddell Betts. I am sure they are going to say they priced themselves right out of the market[/quote]

dockery hasn't really done much to increase his value.

Re: The State of the Redskins (MERGED)
 

We Suck Pure In Simple!! No Playoffs!!! Hopefully Gibbs Will Retire And Take That Garbage Qb With Him!! His Name Is Brunell!! How Stupid Were We To Believe Theat Brunell Can Still Play I'd Rather Have Jp Losman

Re: The State of the Redskins (MERGED)
 

wow, welcome to the board, hopefully your stay here is very very very short.