Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;259104]So, after six pages, who is the better back, Betts or Portis?[/quote]

Mike Vick, according to the stats.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=dgack;259111]Mike Vick, according to the stats.[/QUOTE]


That's so ironic, because that's who I thought you were talking about all the time.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS;259055]We here can talk about anything. See Question 3[/QUOTE]

I know, that's what I like about this site.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

Hell no....Portis is the man!!!

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=Redskin;258305]They are different stle backs and it would not be fair to compare htem but i think Portis is better. Betts probaby should have broken so larger runs then he did today that I will argue Portis ould have made. Betts is still a greta 2nd tho.[/quote]That is assuming that Portis would have hit those same holes as Betts has done. He is really making quick dicisions and hitting the holes very fast.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=firstdown;259217]That is assuming that Portis would have hit those same holes as Betts has done. He is really making quick dicisions and hitting the holes very fast.[/quote]

It's not that tough when the line creates holes you could drive an 18-wheeler through, like they did on Sunday.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

Portis:
Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2002 Denver Broncos 16 12 273 1508 5.5 59 15 11 79
2003 Denver Broncos 13 13 290 1591 5.5 65 14 13 76
2004 Washington Redskins 15 15 343 1315 3.8 64 5 5 65
2005 Washington Redskins 16 16 352 1516 4.3 47 11 6 74
2006 Washington Redskins 8 7 127 523 4.1 38 7 3 29
TOTAL 68 63 1385 6453 4.7 65 52 38 323

THat makes an AVERAGE of 4.08 yards per carry as a REDSKIN. notice he got 5.5 in denver. not a small point. almost 35% more effective in denver. while he scored 29 TDs in 2 seasons in denver, he's scored 23 in 3 in washington.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=BrunellMVP?;259281]Portis:
Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2002 Denver Broncos 16 12 273 1508 5.5 59 15 11 79
2003 Denver Broncos 13 13 290 1591 5.5 65 14 13 76
2004 Washington Redskins 15 15 343 1315 3.8 64 5 5 65
2005 Washington Redskins 16 16 352 1516 4.3 47 11 6 74
2006 Washington Redskins 8 7 127 523 4.1 38 7 3 29
TOTAL 68 63 1385 6453 4.7 65 52 38 323

THat makes an AVERAGE of 4.08 yards per carry as a REDSKIN. notice he got 5.5 in denver. not a small point. almost 35% more effective in denver. while he scored 29 TDs in 2 seasons in denver, he's scored 23 in 3 in washington.[/QUOTE]

I like the stats, but what is your point? I think we all know he has not produced those all-world numbers he produced in Denver. But he's been no slouch.

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Yards per carry isn't an isolated stat like 40 times. It depends on so many other factors (blocking, QB, passing game, defense even).

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=onlydarksets;259291]Yards per carry isn't an isolated stat like 40 times. It depends on so many other factors (blocking, QB, passing game, defense even).[/QUOTE]

Very true.

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This is exactly what I wanted to hear from Ladell:

[QUOTE]
Instead of fleeing from the shadow of Portis, Betts has elected to remain a Redskin.
"Most teams use two tailbacks," Betts said. "If I left here, I would probably still be part of a 1-2 punch somewhere else.
"I enjoy playing here. I enjoy playing for Joe Gibbs. I believe in what he has for us. I want to get this thing turned around."
The Redskins believe re-signing Betts is a step in the right direction.
[/QUOTE]

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Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;259281]Portis:
Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2002 Denver Broncos 16 12 273 1508 5.5 59 15 11 79
2003 Denver Broncos 13 13 290 1591 5.5 65 14 13 76
2004 Washington Redskins 15 15 343 1315 3.8 64 5 5 65
2005 Washington Redskins 16 16 352 1516 4.3 47 11 6 74
2006 Washington Redskins 8 7 127 523 4.1 38 7 3 29
TOTAL 68 63 1385 6453 4.7 65 52 38 323

THat makes an AVERAGE of 4.08 yards per carry as a REDSKIN. notice he got 5.5 in denver. not a small point. almost 35% more effective in denver. while he scored 29 TDs in 2 seasons in denver, he's scored 23 in 3 in washington.[/quote]

His average is low because of the first season under gibbs where they pounded it between tackles 40 times a game and he average well under 4 yards per carry. No back would have average more unless they weighed over 250 with the way that offense was run. Since Then, he has had above average yards per carry, anything over 4.2 is very effective in this league.

Portis is the better back OF COURSE!!!!

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[quote=dgack;259355]This is exactly what I wanted to hear from Ladell:



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That is awesome to hear - Betts seems to have the right attitude.

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Off the subject some . Why did they pull Betts when we got into scoring range and put in Ducket? He sucks.

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Cause he's freaking huge? I don't have a problem with that on first down, but put Betts in to add some depth to the options.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;259358]His average is low because of the first season under gibbs where they pounded it between tackles 40 times a game and he average well under 4 yards per carry. No back would have average more unless they weighed over 250 with the way that offense was run. Since Then, he has had above average yards per carry, anything over 4.2 is very effective in this league.

Portis is the better back OF COURSE!!!![/quote]


BEST REDSKIN FOR THE RUSHING ATTACK:

HANDS DOWN: MIKE "THE TANK" SELLERS!!!!!

That dude has the mean attitude we're missing.......

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;259281]Portis:
Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2002 Denver Broncos 16 12 273 1508 5.5 59 15 11 79
2003 Denver Broncos 13 13 290 1591 5.5 65 14 13 76
2004 Washington Redskins 15 15 343 1315 3.8 64 5 5 65
2005 Washington Redskins 16 16 352 1516 4.3 47 11 6 74
2006 Washington Redskins 8 7 127 523 4.1 38 7 3 29
TOTAL 68 63 1385 6453 4.7 65 52 38 323

THat makes an AVERAGE of 4.08 yards per carry as a REDSKIN. notice he got 5.5 in denver. not a small point. almost 35% more effective in denver. while he scored 29 TDs in 2 seasons in denver, he's scored 23 in 3 in washington.[/quote]

haha i love your name. it's soooo funny to see that. when i saw it i was like "brunell, who is that? ohh that guy". it seemed like he played a long ass time ago.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=jsarno;258512][COLOR=red]Sorry, that theory doesn't fly.[/COLOR]
Portis averaged 4.1 yards a carry this season, 4.3 last season, and 3.8 two years ago. Betts is averaging 4.7 yards a carry this season after today. So obviously if you gave Portis the same amount of carries, he would not get the same numbers. Call it injuries, call it better blocking, I don't care, but betts needs to be given his props.

ps- portis had 1516 yards last season (a redskins record) on 352 carries. If Betts had the same amount of carries this year as Portis last year he'd have 1654 yards. Just a thought.
Also, if you take away his two injury games (philly and minn.) Portis averaged over 21 attempts per game. Again, just a thought.[/quote]

I hate to tell you it does fly.Anyone that watches football knows RBs run on teams easier after the half.They gain even more yards in the 4th.Why,because the D gets tried.Portis hardly got any carries after the first and second quater.So you can believe what ever you want.All i know is Portis is the more proven and he is the better RB.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=skins009;259072]Anybody who thinks Betts is better than portis needs to have their head examined.[/quote]

AMEN!

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[quote=JDALY27;259403]BEST REDSKIN FOR THE RUSHING ATTACK:

HANDS DOWN: MIKE "THE TANK" SELLERS!!!!!

That dude has the mean attitude we're missing.......[/quote]

Hey I like sellers just as much as anybody but if u want a one dimensional back there he is. He runds straight and hard and there nothing else to him. When he does happen to get good yardage the defense was probably looking for a pass play where he is blocking or oging out for a pas sbecuase that is pretty ,much what we use the guy for.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

The Betts lovers need to keep some things in mind:
1. Betts can't block well
2. CP is a much better receiver and open field runner
3. Until this year, Betts has not been nearly as durable as CP

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

I have to disagree about Portis being a better receiver than Betts. I actually think CP is pretty average in that area and Betts has proven this year that he's a better receiver coming out of the backfield.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

CP showed some silly sticky fingers last year during The Run, though. It seemed like he had at least one highlight reel catch a game to bail out Brunell.

That said, I don't think receiving is a point I would give a huge edge to either back on. As you say, Betts has done great out of the backfield over the last few games.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

The major difference between Portis and Betts is, Portis has been the featured back in our offense since his arival. When you're the featured back in an offense in the NFL you become a marked man, and fortunately for Betts he has not started enough games to earn that distinction. Taking nothing away from his performances in the last three games, teams still haven't game planned against him like they would a Portis. In Sunday's game, Philadelphia blitzed themselves out of position on many plays, and the Oline did a great job. I would still like to see his blocking improve.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

I like both Betts and Portis. Both are good backs. With that said, I think Portis is clearly the better back. Betts just doesn't have the same burst to the hole and homerun speed that Portis does. In both the Philly and Atlanta games, holes closed on Bettis that, had been half a step quicker, he would have broken for truly long gains. I am convinced Portis would have broken some big plays in both games.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;260474]I have to disagree about Portis being a better receiver than Betts. I actually think CP is pretty average in that area and Betts has proven this year that he's a better receiver coming out of the backfield.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, that's the one thing we've yet to see from Portis in Washington -- he hasn't been nearly the receiver that was advertised.

Then again, they don't seem to throw to him all that much.

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Heh i was about to say that but didnt want the mass WTF is this kid talking about that i sometimes get.

Re: Betts better than Portis?
 

This idea is ridiculous and was confirmed when that jackass Baldinger said the same thing on the broadcast today.