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[QUOTE=rypper11;356407]People, it's one game. After a night's rest it wasn't that bad. 17-3 against a team in disarray with a Defense that had allowed only one TD in the last 2 1/2 games. We were overconfident at the half and it burned. Stew on this for two weeks and remember the feeling come December when we are up on the Cowboys 20-0 at the half.
When the O-line gets some reps together JC won't be under pressure the whole game and Al will agree to run right on occasion.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. That is an awful team. WE LOST TO AN AWFUL TEAM WITH A PATHETIC FUCKING DEFENSE BECAUSE WE REFUSED TO DO WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. |
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Since I don't feel like sorting through the full six pages of this ridiculously named thread, I'll just say that from where I was sitting the problem was with the players yesterday and not the coaches. The defense reverted to 2006 form and allowed the Giants to pick up something like 13 first downs in the second half, many of them coming on third down. The Giants stacked the box to stop the run and/or pressure Campbell in the second half and the Redskins were unable to find an identity. They often threw the ball on 1st down, ran it on 2nd, faced 3rd and long and could not convert. Plus, with the defense unable to get off the field and the offense unable to get any first downs (in their 3 or 4 attempts prior to the last drive) the defense was basically on the field the entire 2nd half.
Randle El did all he could in those final minutes and Jason actually came up with a few clutch throws (though he missed Moss on a deep one again, which is looking like a theme now) and they almost overcame all their many mistakes (holding, false start, Casey get your head in the game man!) and the pressure that the Giants put on to at least send it to OT. Unlike the many on the first page of this thread at least I don't have a problem with the play calls (at least not the last three). That first play was one that Sellers scored 7 or 8 touchdowns on in 2005 and after that you would think the Skins could pound it in running off left tackle. Ideally you'd want Portis in there in that situation, but the line got beaten plain and simple. Then you have an inexperienced QB who rushed the offense on that last play, but that is what you get with a guy who has started 9 or 10 games. Jason will learn from that and the whole team will learn from this game. I think us fans can also learn something about the NFL. We, as well as the team from what it looked like, all looked past the Giants. The Giants, however, came to play yesterday and even in the first half I thought it was pretty clear they had more fire than the Skins did. Yeah, the Skins were up 17-3, but barring a bunch of drops by Burress and some stupid turnovers that could have been different. The Skins should have taken advantage of that situation, but in the second half the Giants made the plays that they missed in the first half and the Skins offense could not do anything. The pass coverage, which has worried me for a while now, broke down when a QB actually made some accurate throws and WRs/TEs actually made catches. The first two weeks guys did not make those plays (i.e. Chambers dropped passes, McNabb's poor throws) and yesterday the Giants did. The Skins need to figure some things out before Detroit comes to town because they throw it all over the place and the Skins need to cover and to get some pressure on the QB, which they did not do at all in the second half yesterday. Still, don't bail on the team so quickly! What are you, Eagles fans? Come on, f...Joe Gibbs is the most treasonous, heretical thing I could imagine. F you if you are going to jump ship so quickly. This is a team with a young QB, who will be good but is still learning. It is a defense with holes that were exposed yesterday, and a team that is down TWO of its top O-Lineman. It was also a team who probably did not really come to the stadium with as much fire as the Giants. That was the Giants season on the line yesterday and they knew that, and they played like they knew that. From the open that defense was flying around out there and you could tell they had their backs to the wall. Welcome to the NFL. Sorry for my long response, but I had to put that out there. Thanks to anyone who read it all the way through. |
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[quote=FRPLG;356408]Coaching lost this game. No other way around it. We have good players and they took the game out of their hands. They decided to be big fucking pussies and get conservative because for christ's sake "we can't do anything that could be risky with a 14 point lead." well dumb shits a 14 point lead mean shits in the nfl when there is an entire half to play. Pass the fucking ball you spineless fucking assholes!! I am suprised they even let JC play the second half. Those f holes! I am livid about this.[/quote]
Your an idiot, and a disgrace to Redskins fans. Instead of saying, "Coaching lost this game (insert generic frustration, followed by a lack of facts, and class for that manner)," why not try and analyze the game? How were we conservative? We threw the ball an awful lot, and on many different downs. That's not very conservative. Thanks for posting nonsense. Also, what's an "f hole". A fishing hole? |
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[quote=skinsfan69;356190]Al calls the plays. Not Joe.[/quote]
but it Joe Gibbs football, right? that is what was getting all the props the first two weeks. Joe Gibbs football. well, this is what you get sometimes w/ Joe Gibbs football. |
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The team just simply looked out of sync. Perhaps some guys were expecting different playcalling and found it difficult to get on the same page. Campbell still has to work on getting those throws down to his shorter receivers. Sellers is awesome but the throws have to be on the money for him to catch them. He looked more mobile two years ago when he was catching goaline passes.
Saying f.."anyone" is kind of juvenile. I doubt Gibbs woke up Sunday morning thinking up ways to screw up the game. He probably thought that since half of his o-line is out it would be best to get the ball out of Campbell's hands as quickly as possible. The defense looked a lot like last year's in the 3rd quarter giving up the 3rd and long pass plays up the middle. Perhaps they were tired with being on the field too long... Relax, we've got a bye week coming up to look things over. |
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[quote=Giantone;356258]Maybe on this day the Giants just wanted it more,it was a hell of a good game.Relax it's a long season.:goodjob:[/quote]
Thank you. Plain and simple this isn't a 16-0 team. Geeezzz...we have, what 13 games to get it right. Skins will be fine. They'll come out of the bye week vs a Detroit team we should be beat. |
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[QUOTE=12thMan;356426]Thank you. Plain and simple this isn't a 16-0 team. Geeezzz...we have, what 13 games to get it right.
Skins will be fine. They'll come out of the bye week vs a Detroit team we should be beat.[/QUOTE] This was a Giants team we should have beat. |
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[quote=RobH4413;356413]Your an idiot, and a disgrace to Redskins fans.
Instead of saying, "Coaching lost this game (insert generic frustration, followed by a lack of facts, and class for that manner)," why not try and analyze the game? How were we conservative? We threw the ball an awful lot, and on many different downs. That's not very conservative. Thanks for posting nonsense. Also, what's an "f hole". A fishing hole?[/quote] True to some degree, however I would certainly argue that there is such a thing as a "conservative throw" (screens, little tosses, and other "safe, short routes)- which made up most of our passing plays (until we got behind...) |
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Come on. When you start expecting to beat someone that's when you get popped in the mouth. That's a basic principle of life.
How many people heard the oft-repeated phrase"classic trap game" by everyone Sunday morning? I probably heard it a dozen times on different radio broadcasts during the 4 hour trip up there. Bad game for many, many reasons. |
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[quote=FRPLG;356429]This was a Giants team we should have beat.[/quote]
Yep, and that is what is so frustrating...we can't afford to give away wins...its a shame. I'm not going to waste more time second guessing, but I DO wish we took more chances down field earlier...the giants had given up 80 points in the first two games...they're secondary is very suspect...I was very surprised we didn't test them more (but mayb that had to do with the "new" right side of the O-line). on a different point- Dallas is looking good... |
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[quote=FRPLG;356429]This was a Giants team we should have beat.[/quote]
Very true. By the way, I do think the coaching was very questionable at best. See here's where I agree with you some and I agee with Rob some. It seems our staff, be it Gibbs or Saunders or whomever, can't get a feel for the game. What I'm saying is, we go in at half time and we're humming along pretty good and we have a little swagger, and we don't feed that in the second half. It's something about the playcalling that "slows us down"...it's not that it's bad, but it doesn't feed the team's energy and attitude. I think that's the thing they have to grasp with this team. Sometimes I feel like Gibbs is forcing a round peg into a square hole with this squad. This is obviously theory on my part and no real facts to support this, but you can't tell me there's no quicker way to make a team play flat than to switch gears on them. Another thing, Joe Gibbs football....I know what that means by definition, but we don't have Riggo and Jacoby and those guys anymore. |
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[QUOTE=12thMan;356444]Very true. By the way, I do think the coaching was very questionable at best.
See here's where I agree with you some and I agee with Rob some. It seems our staff, be it Gibbs or Saunders or whomever, can't get a feel for the game. What I'm saying is, we go in at half time and we're humming along pretty good and we have a little swagger, and we don't feed that in the second half. It's something about the playcalling that "slows us down"...it's not that it's bad, but it doesn't feed the team's energy and attitude. I think that's the thing they have to grasp with this team. Sometimes I feel like Gibbs is forcing a round peg into a square hole with this squad. This is obviously theory on my part, and no real facts to support this, but you can't tell me there's no quicker way to make a team play flat than to switch gears on them. Another thing, Joe Gibbs football....I know what that means by definition, but we don't have Riggo and Jacoby and those guys anymore.[/QUOTE] This is basically how I felt. This is a team we should have dumped 40 points on and in the second half both by execution and coaching we simply let them off the hook. Something tells me that the players would agree that we didn't go for the kill at any point. We seemed content simply let our defense hold on to the game. No seam routes or deep crosses. Nothing. Hand offs coupled with a few dump offs and screens plus some dubious execution killed us. I wont argue execution was good but I'd rather lose by poorly executing solid plays than by screwing up conservative play calling. See in the end if we are more aggressive maybe we can overcome some of the execution issues. Instead we play this keep it close stuff that leaves us no room for error at all. |
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[quote=RobH4413;356413]Your an idiot, and a disgrace to Redskins fans.
[/quote] Yeah, my bad about that. My apologies FRLPG. Just want to throw that out there... That's a little out of character for me to say something like that. |
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its very simple. lack of execution, and the players lost the game. i really had no problem with the play calling. if Betts doesnt stumble, the game goes to over time. its anyones guess what happens. but our defense was on the field way too long in the second half. we should have had Portis in, and tried to run the ball straight down their throats
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and sometimes people forget we have practically a rookie starting at qback, and 2 offensive lineman hurt. coach Gibbs does need to do a better job making his halftime adjustments. for someone that used to be a master at this, he seems to struggle with it now
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[QUOTE=RobH4413;356453]Yeah, my bad about that. My apologies FRLPG. Just want to throw that out there...
That's a little out of character for me to say something like that.[/QUOTE] Hey it's all cool. I am livid about this and you have some good counter points. We all stoked up on this stuff. It's all good. I'll grant I am super wigged out on this but I really feel we caged the dogs yesterday when the exact opposite was needed. I know there are stats that argue against that but I am going on what I saw and how it felt at the time. It felt like a roll over to me. Maybe in the end it wasn't, I am slowly coming around, but I also know that on this board we do a lot of rationalizing. Hell i am usually solidly in the ratiionalizing camp, leading they way really. But here I am not. I think our coaches didn't let our players play. It makes me mad. |
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[quote=jsarno;356187](in honor of jamf)
What the hell is wrong with him that he STILL think conservative play calling is the way to go? The coaching lost this game for us plain and simple and it's getting to be like this week in and week out. We were all shocked last week when Campbell went deep for Moss (moss missed it) and I think Gibbs felt that was a mistake and wouldn't allow it again or something. How horrendous![/quote] 3 MONTH BAN! |
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[QUOTE=dmek25;356456]and sometimes people forget we have practically a rookie starting at qback, and 2 offensive lineman hurt. coach Gibbs does need to do a better job making his halftime adjustments. for someone that used to be a master at this, he seems to struggle with it now[/QUOTE]
I am not sure that it is half time adjustments as much as it is an unnatural inability to deviate at all from a game plan. He seems so concerned, so uptight about risk that we simply do any and everything to mitigate it and it seems we often mitigate ourselves into loses. I am terrified we are going to do this all year. At some point, for the sake of learning and growth, we need to let the offense go and either sink or swim. It will never be a potent offense until it gets is chance. I am convinced it can be. We have play makers. Imagine what Indy would be like if they simply never let Manning throw the ball much in his first couple of years. I am not saying Campbelll can be Manning but that offense has an identity that helps it win games. They expect and are expected to score points. You never see them just sit on a lead. A lot of that comes from how they view themselves and confidence. We can't get confidence playing this way. If it frustrates us...imagine how frustrated the players are. |
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I hope the players [I]are[/I] frustrated.
Frustrated with how shitty they played that is. |
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[quote=Mattyk72;356467]I hope the players [I]are[/I] frustrated.
Frustrated with how shitty they played that is.[/quote] This actually a good time for a bye week if you ask me. It's only one game. We can...should rebound against the Lions, and the coaches and players can look long and hard at how we lost this game. |
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[quote=#56fanatic;356414]but it Joe Gibbs football, right? that is what was getting all the props the first two weeks. Joe Gibbs football. well, this is what you get sometimes w/ Joe Gibbs football.[/quote]
Screw this Joe Gibbs football! We need to score more touchdowns. Gibbs acts like if we can't run, we can't win. I'm so damn tired of it. If we were more aggessive we would score more points and evey damn game would not come down to the end. Anyone watch the Cowgirls abuse the Bears last night? They just kept going to TO over and over and over again. They even had him catching passes out of the backfield. Jason Garrett was creative in finding ways to get him the ball. We should be doing to same thing with Santana. Why aren't we????? Between Gibbs and Sanders they make probably over 8 million and that's the best game plan they can come up with? |
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Whatever...I hate when we're conservative, but it's not like we were on the field long enough in the second half to be conservative or not. We just didn't get a first down. Plain and simple. Had we actually had the opportunity, and played it too safe Id agree, but he players never even gave the coaches a chances to be conservative.
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[quote=jsarno;356187](in honor of jamf)
What the hell is wrong with him that he STILL think conservative play calling is the way to go? The coaching lost this game for us plain and simple and it's getting to be like this week in and week out. We were all shocked last week when Campbell went deep for Moss (moss missed it) and I think Gibbs felt that was a mistake and wouldn't allow it again or something. How horrendous![/quote] to say something like this,you have to be a total a$$hole!!! how about al saunders,he calls the plays?i do'nt care what gibbs record is,he has earned enough respect to be in the hall of fame,so i do'nt think he deserves this shit.he obviously knows more about football than all of us here at the WP do. |
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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;356484]Screw this Joe Gibbs football! We need to score more touchdowns. Gibbs acts like if we can't run, we can't win. I'm so damn tired of it. If we were more aggessive we would score more points and evey damn game would not come down to the end.
Anyone watch the Cowgirls abuse the Bears last night? They just kept going to TO over and over and over again. They even had him catching passes out of the backfield. Jason Garrett was creative in finding ways to get him the ball. We should be doing to same thing with Santana. Why aren't we????? Between Gibbs and Sanders they make probably over 8 million and that's the best game plan they can come up with?[/QUOTE] 1. The Cowboys didn't completely abandon the run, and just start launching the ball as some seem to think 2. Isn't it funny how we're praising the Cowboys for getting TO the ball "even out of the backfield" but when we do the same thing with Moss all we hear is "When is Old Man Gibbs going to get rid of this dink and dunk offense and go deep" |
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[quote=SmootSmack;356554]1. The Cowboys didn't completely abandon the run, and just start launching the ball as some seem to think
2. Isn't it funny how we're praising the Cowboys for getting TO the ball "even out of the backfield" but when we do the same thing with Moss all we hear is "When is Old Man Gibbs going to get rid of this dink and dunk offense and go deep"[/quote] I'm not praising the Cowboys. I just liked what Jason Garrett did against a very very good defense. I didn't say they ababdoned the run. I said they got the ball to their best player and they make an effort to do so. Meanwhile our best player got the ball 3 times. |
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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;356202]If Portis was in the game he would have gotten stuffed. The whole side of the line got caved in. We should have been in shotgun and thrown the ball.[/QUOTE]
If Portis was in the game he would have broken the tackle on 3rd down. That was a joke. Betts didn't level his pads and break the tackle like 90% of the league would have and he fell sideways. There wasn't even an attempt to stretch the ball out. That was the worst short yardage run attempt I've ever seen. Portis certainly scores on 3rd if he's in there. |
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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;356220]Betts is good at short yardage. I didn't have a problem with him being in the game. I had a problem JC spiking the ball on 1st down with 50 seconds left, and then the two run plays on 3rd and 4th down.
JC could have Qb sneaked it in on 1st down if he would have just taken his freakin time.[/QUOTE] No, Betts is not good at short yardage. That's why he can't score touchdowns. Betts is the worst goal line back I have EVER seen. I knew they wouldn't score on 4th after he didn't break the tackle on third. That was horrendous. Now, I'm not pointing all of this loss on Betts because it's clearly not all his fault, but he should have scored on 3rd down. |
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Conservative play calling was NOT the problem. That's what you do when you are up 17 - 3 at the half. You rely on your defense, and you don't commit turnovers. This loss is TOTALLY on the team (defense mostly) -- not the coaches.
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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;356575]Conservative play calling was NOT the problem. That's what you do when you are up 17 - 3 at the half. You rely on your defense, and you don't commit turnovers. This loss is TOTALLY on the team (defense mostly) -- not the coaches.[/quote]
Gibbs has got to stop being SO conservative. The Giants have a great offense despite the poor D. Saunders' offenses churned up tons of yards and points in KC and St. Louis. Up 2 TD's at home against that joke D in a division game with a chance to take a 3-0 record into the bye? We've got to have some killer instinct. We had our hands around their throat. We let go instead of squeezing harder. Say what you will about the defense allowing 3rd down conversions, missing tackles, etc... THEY WERE ON THE FIELD THE ENTIRE SECOND HALF!!! We have to be better on offense. When I think of how easily we could be 0-3, I don't have much confidence in this team. Gibbs needs to wake up and smell the offense. |
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Yeah I blame gibbs for not having CP on the field. You know he can make this mistake once and I'll let him. But if he does it again I'll still love him. hopefully he's learned his lesson. HAIL!!!
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too old, too slow and way too conservative.....thanks to inept coaching, another losing season looms ahead-the Skins won't recover- they got a physical beat down in the second half which will linger througout the season.....watch all the other teams as they will copy the Giants 2nd half game plan and physically kick the Skins ass the rest of the season.....you never sit on a lead in the NFL-what a waste of offensive talent....you had the Giants on the ropes and you come out in the second half and every time you get the ball it's 3 plays and a punt- Bad Coaching lost this game-and don't get me started on Williams/Gibbs letting Antonio Pierce go......Giants will again win both games against the Skins...the G-Men in their stadium against the Skins....why even bother to show up with a Gibbs coached team.......Snyder better Man Up and face the truth...another dissapointing year, more heartbreak and more fans lost.......line up Cowher now and let Gibbs go back to NASCAR & Williams who apparently thinks all defensive players are interchangeable go torture another team and fans.....
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[quote=edman;356625]too old, too slow and way too conservative.....thanks to inept coaching, another losing season looms ahead-the Skins won't recover- they got a physical beat down in the second half which will linger througout the season.....watch all the other teams as they will copy the Giants 2nd half game plan and physically kick the Skins ass the rest of the season.....you never sit on a lead in the NFL-what a waste of offensive talent....you had the Giants on the ropes and you come out in the second half and every time you get the ball it's 3 plays and a punt- Bad Coaching lost this game-and don't get me started on Williams/Gibbs letting Antonio Pierce go......Giants will again win both games against the Skins...the G-Men in their stadium against the Skins....why even bother to show up with a Gibbs coached team.......Snyder better Man Up and face the truth...another dissapointing year, more heartbreak and more fans lost.......line up Cowher now and let Gibbs go back to NASCAR & Williams who apparently thinks all defensive players are interchangeable go torture another team and fans.....[/quote]
WOW! Welcome to the site Edman. I wouldn't go that far. I think anyone here would have been happy if you told them in the preseason we'd be 2-1 heading into the bye with one of those wins coming against Philly on MNF. We have to get healthy and re-evaluate. I wouldn't send Gibbs packing just yet. If we win 2 outta 3 all year we'll be 10-6. |
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[quote=jdlea;356571]No, Betts is not good at short yardage. That's why he can't score touchdowns. Betts is the worst goal line back I have EVER seen. I knew they wouldn't score on 4th after he didn't break the tackle on third. That was horrendous.
Now, I'm not pointing all of this loss on Betts because it's clearly not all his fault, but he should have scored on 3rd down.[/quote] I agree. Portis should be playing when the game on the line. But he screwed up too. His fumble was pathetic and Troy Aikman pointed it out. So all you people who rip Betts when he fumbles, you need to rip Portis too. Oh, and case you forgot, Portis dropped a pass that could have kept a drive alive. Portis sucked yesterday. |
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[QUOTE=GMScud;356628]WOW! Welcome to the site Edman. I wouldn't go that far. I think anyone here would have been happy if you told them in the preseason we'd be 2-1 heading into the bye with one of those wins coming against Philly on MNF. We have to get healthy and re-evaluate. I wouldn't send Gibbs packing just yet. If we win 2 outta 3 all year we'll be 10-6.[/QUOTE]
I'm not even sure why you'd welcome him to the site quite honestly. Based on his first post, one can deduct that he has nothing worthwhile to offer. Just someone else to add to the site that plans on doing nothing but bitching and moaning just for the hell of it. |
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[quote=GMScud;356628]WOW! Welcome to the site Edman. I wouldn't go that far. I think anyone here would have been happy if you told them in the preseason we'd be 2-1 heading into the bye with one of those wins coming against Philly on MNF. We have to get healthy and re-evaluate. I wouldn't send Gibbs packing just yet. If we win 2 outta 3 all year we'll be 10-6.[/quote]
Edman- i agree with your frustration- and perhaps some of your theories on the source, however GM has a point, at 2-1, i don't think we can complain too much... i know i didn't expect it. |
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everyone is dogging the play calling. fact is Jason threw 34 or 35 times. We WILL NOT win games if he is throwing the ball that many times. We were up 17-3, what in the hell are we doing?? Everyone wants to dog the last couple of plays, but we lost that game well before then. Besides the fact, if we can't score from freaking 2, then we deserve to lose no matter what play is called. Fact is, we over looked the Giants, as usual, and got our asses beat again. If we are a good team, we just dont lose that game. we are up 14 freaking points. the offense couldn't sustain a drive, the D got wore out. that is unexcusable if we are going to compete with the elite teams in the NFL.
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[quote=#56fanatic;356681]everyone is dogging the play calling. fact is Jason threw 34 or 35 times. We WILL NOT win games if he is throwing the ball that many times. We were up 17-3, what in the hell are we doing?? Everyone wants to dog the last couple of plays, but we lost that game well before then. Besides the fact, if we can't score from freaking 2, then we deserve to lose no matter what play is called. Fact is, we over looked the Giants, as usual, and got our asses beat again. If we are a good team, we just dont lose that game. we are up 14 freaking points. the offense couldn't sustain a drive, the D got wore out. that is unexcusable if we are going to compete with the elite teams in the NFL.[/quote]
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All that needs to be said is bad coaching on the offensive side of the ball. Al Saunders should give back his paycheck for the week cause he certainly didn't earn it.
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[quote=skinsfan69;356653]I agree. Portis should be playing when the game on the line. But he screwed up too. [B]His fumble was pathetic[/B] and Troy Aikman pointed it out. So all you people who rip Betts when he fumbles, you need to rip Portis too.
Oh, and case you forgot, Portis dropped a pass that could have kept a drive alive. Portis sucked yesterday.[/quote] As I pointed out in the Portis thread, it was a muffed hand off. Portis never had possession. It's a little different than breaking a 30 yard run and getting stripped from behind. And yeah, Portis sucked yesterday... He only had 4.3 per carry and a touchdown. Betts was just spectacular with his 1.3 yard average and failed goal line attempts... |
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Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.
Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal. |
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