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[quote=Skinny Tee;531033]I don't want to be a downer but I would like to be the voice of reason.

Is anyone old enough to remember the Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson signing years ago?...Don't get too excited for Haynesworth yet because he has yet to show what he can do in OUR system.

We got two stallwort DT's with Stubby and Wilkinson and their effect on our defense was minimal. Haynesworth is one person and subject to the scheme that he plays in.

Let's have some tempered realism with our expectations.[/quote]

Fair point, but free agent DTs Dave Butz, Tim Johnson, and Cornelius Griffin did pretty well for us when we signed them

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[quote=44ever;531065]Might be time to change your sig Crab:) I hope.[/quote]

lol, yeah it might be but let's see what Vinny does about shoring up our biggest need...the offensive line. It's been known for the last 2-3 years that our line needed upgrading, big time and they just kept ignoring it and when Vinny said that he doesn't draft for need, that was the nail in his coffin for me.
So far so good though and it's still early in the FA market. Hopefully Vinny WILL draft for need this year and get the offensive line fixed.

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A good point was just introduced on ESPN in DC re: AH. He is the number one pick in the FA market. Highly sought by several other teams. The FA big money busts in the past have all been in the.......twilight of their careers, and not especially coveted by the other teams. Not so in this case

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Wow... Well, we'll see! I worry about motivation, but he's clearly got the talent.

This is pretty much a make or break move for Vinny, IMO. And that's good as well.

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[quote=skinsfan69;531048]Look at the past teams that picked up big name free agents the last few years. Cleveland spent a ton of money last year and didn't make the playoffs. [B]Shawn Rogers was a bust.[/B] What about the Jets? They spent a ton of money and didn't make the playoffs. What abou the year before? SF spent a lot of money and never made the playoffs. Just cause you bring in a talented player doesn't automatically mean that the player will play well in his new system. AH only knows Tenn's defense and their system. Perhaps he doesn't fit well with what Blache and co does. As I said, history shows it doesn't work.[/quote]

Huh? Yeah the Browns as a team were a bust last year but Rogers was a pure beast for them and was in the Pro Bowl.

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[quote=skinsfan69;531048]Look at the past teams that picked up big name free agents the last few years. Cleveland spent a ton of money last year and didn't make the playoffs. Shawn Rogers was a bust. What about the Jets? They spent a ton of money and didn't make the playoffs. What abou the year before? SF spent a lot of money and never made the playoffs. Just cause you bring in a talented player doesn't automatically mean that the player will play well in his new system. AH only knows Tenn's defense and their system. Perhaps he doesn't fit well with what Blache and co does. As I said, history shows it doesn't work.[/quote]

The Jets didn't make the playoff because Brett Favre threw a whole bunch of interceptions at the end of the season. I think they fielded a decent defense, given how competitive the AFC East was this past season.

Shawn Rogers was not necessarily a bust, and just like us, the Browns had their offensive issues as well (remember Braylon Edwards dropping all those passes?).

And I think the 49ers were giving up on their coach this year, yet don't forget that they were a few games away from being the AZ Cardinals.

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I would have rather grabbed Canty...re-signed Hall...then get Dockery. From a locker room standpoint...is London Fletcher still going to be able to be a leader...or are Hall and AH going to be like F off old man we get paid more. Same thing with Chris Samuels and all those other guys that restructured. They broke their you know whats for this franchise...took pay cuts...then watch two punks...(and they are punks lets not beat around the bush here) get paid more than they have ever seen. I thought we were on the right path last year by building through the draft and grabbing small pieces in FA to enhance the team. Here we go again.

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I havent read all 6 pages here, but on ESPN980 this morning, Cerrato said Haynesworth took less money to come here than he was being offered by another team (presumably Tampa Bay.) Now, we can't necessarily beleive this because, of course, Cerrato wants to give fans the impression we got a great player and at a "bargain." However, if Cerrato can be beleived, then it gives me hope that Hyanesworth is not all about the money. He's getting a ton of money, but he wanted to come somewhere:

1) In the spotlight. Haynesworth certainly wouldnt want to be in the spotlight if he had the intention of being a lazy SOB who didnt try.

2) Where he feels he has a chance to win.

Perhaps Haynesworth will play at - or above - the level he did in Tennessee for the next 2-3 years. It certainly sounds like we plan on using him sparingly. Cerrato said he anticipated Haynesworth to participate in 55-60% of the plays here, and that we plan to move him all over the line.

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i,m alright with the signing of haynesworth but the money is another story...again we do nat..eed a stud at DT this is our answer to that..

wait and see..

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[quote=Mattyk72;531077]Huh? Yeah the Browns as a team were a bust last year but Rogers was a pure beast for them and was in the Pro Bowl.[/quote]

Did he make the players around him better? Why does he already want out after one year?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531083]I havent read all 6 pages here, but on ESPN980 this morning, Cerrato said Haynesworth took less money to come here than he was being offered by another team (presumably Tampa Bay.) Now, we can't necessarily beleive this because, of course, Cerrato wants to give fans the impression we got a great player and at a "bargain." However, if Cerrato can be beleived, then it gives me hope that Hyanesworth is not all about the money. He's getting a ton of money, but he wanted to come somewhere:

1) In the spotlight. Haynesworth certainly wouldnt want to be in the spotlight if he had the intention of being a lazy SOB who didnt try.

2) Where he feels he has a chance to win.

Perhaps Haynesworth will play at - or above - the level he did in Tennessee for the next 2-3 years. It certainly sounds like we plan on using him sparingly. Cerrato said he anticipated Haynesworth to participate in 55-60% of the plays here, and that we plan to move him all over the line.[/quote]

He said both Hall and Haynesworth passed on better offers to play here?

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haynesworth should open up weaknesses in the opposing o-lines for griffen, taylor and carter to all exploit. he should improve all of their performances. good signing, kinda scared of the contract but we got a great player no doubt

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[quote=Ruhskins;531081]The Jets didn't make the playoff because Brett Favre threw a whole bunch of interceptions at the end of the season. I think they fielded a decent defense, given how competitive the AFC East was this past season.

Shawn Rogers was not necessarily a bust, and just like us, the Browns had their offensive issues as well (remember Braylon Edwards dropping all those passes?).

And I think the 49ers were giving up on their coach this year, yet don't forget that they were a few games away from being the AZ Cardinals.[/quote]

My point is bringing in high priced FA's doesn't seem to translate into wins. Does it?

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I honestly dont know how we are fitting he and Hall under the cap. Allegedly, we are playing Haynesworth 32M over the first 13 months of the contract. The league will undoubtably have to approve the contract today. Since there is no salary cap in 2010 as of this point, they league has no reason to reject the contract.

However, what if a new CBA is reached between now and the start of free agency next year? What if this contract (along with others) puts the skins over the cap and there is no way for us to get under, even by cutting players, because of the cap hit? Does this mean we would lose 2010 picks, or would there be some other penalty? I guess no one can answer that question, because the new CBA would have to determine the terms for violating the cap. Its just something ive been thinking about.

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[quote=skinsfan69;531089]My point is bringing in high priced FA's doesn't seem to translate into wins. Does it?[/quote]

You forget the redskins official motto in the Daniel Snyder era:

[B][I]"Just because its never worked before, that doesnt mean it wont start working now."[/I][/B]

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[quote=skinsfan69;531089]My point is bringing in high priced FA's doesn't seem to translate into wins. Does it?[/quote]

Not always of course (though Plax and Pierce didn't hurt the Giants), but not doing anything doesn't seem to translate into wins either.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531087]He said both Hall and Haynesworth passed on better offers to play here?[/quote]

Yup, heres a link to the podcast, i think this must have been done at 6AM or something. In case you cant listen to stuff like that at work, Cerrato also said he polled the defensive players and asked what they thought about Haynesworth and they were all in favor of getting him. He specifically mentioned talking with Fletcher and that Hall said, "go get the big guy."

[url=http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=65&c=427&f=22080]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

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[quote=JWDundees;531082]I would have rather grabbed Canty...re-signed Hall...then get Dockery. From a locker room standpoint...is London Fletcher still going to be able to be a leader...or are Hall and AH going to be like F off old man we get paid more. Same thing with Chris Samuels and all those other guys that restructured. They broke their you know whats for this franchise...took pay cuts...then watch two punks...(and they are punks lets not beat around the bush here) get paid more than they have ever seen. I thought we were on the right path last year by building through the draft and grabbing small pieces in FA to enhance the team. Here we go again.[/quote]

Last off-season we were in a situation where we unexpectedly had to search for a new coach, none of the free agents really appealed to us, and we had a heavy dosage of draft picks. This year, unless we are able to pull off trades (anyone else hearing that Springs is going to Houston for the Texans' 4th rounder they just from Minnesota? Got a weak source on that one) we have to look at free agency.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;531033]I don't want to be a downer but I would like to be the voice of reason.

Is anyone old enough to remember the Dana Stubblefield and [B]Dan Wilkinson signing years ago?[/B]...Don't get too excited for Haynesworth yet because he has yet to show what he can do in OUR system.

We got two stallwort DT's with Stubby and Wilkinson and their effect on our defense was minimal. Haynesworth is one person and subject to the scheme that he plays in.

Let's have some tempered realism with our expectations.[/quote]

Wikinson had two good years with us, and put up some really good numbers in his first year. His numbers were not the same the next two and had a bad final year with us.

Year Tkls/Solo/Sacks/FF
1998 44/38/7.5/0
1999 32/23/8.0/1
2000 21/16/3.5/0
2001 25/19/4/0
2002 16/12/0/0

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[quote=44ever;531065]Might be time to change your sig Crab:) I hope.[/quote]

My sig has been changed...lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;531089]My point is bringing in high priced FA's doesn't seem to translate into wins. Does it?[/quote]

Yes, but you were criticizing the defensive players on those teams, and my point that the defensive players were not the reason those teams lost. And well Favre was sort of a FA acquisition, but you were not talking about him or any offensive players.

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[quote=Ruhskins;531095]Wikinson had two good years with us, and put up some really good numbers in his first year. His numbers were not the same the next two and had a bad final year with us.

Year Tkls/Solo/Sacks/FF
1998 44/38/7.5/0
1999 32/23/8.0/1
2000 21/16/3.5/0
2001 25/19/4/0
2002 16/12/0/0[/quote]

Glad you posted this. DW gets a bit of a bad rep. The other thing about Wilkinson is his presence instead helped Kenard Lang get like 7 sacks a year for '98 and '99.

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[quote=skinsfan69;531086]Did he make the players around him better? Why does he already want out after one year?[/quote]

Because Mangini is an ass

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[quote=SmootSmack;531094]Last off-season we were in a situation where we unexpectedly had to search for a new coach, none of the free agents really appealed to us, and we had a heavy dosage of draft picks. This year, unless we are able to pull off trades (anyone else hearing that Springs is going to Houston for the Texans' 4th rounder they just from Minnesota? Got a weak source on that one) we have to look at free agency.[/quote]

If true, that would be a great deal for a number of reasons:

1) We would be getting a much needed draft pick at a round certain to yield us a good special teams player at minimum.
2) If we couldnt trade him, we'd have to cut him and get nothing in return.
3) I get the pleasure of knowing we screwed Springs over by making him play for the sorry texans.
4) The Texans get a player who would never in a million years come to them of his own free will
5) There arent as many stiff breezes in Houston, so theres less of a chance a 1 MPH wind will result in Springs being injured and inactive on gameday.
6) Springs will be much closer to his father and will have a shorter flight to visit him on the weeks he schedules his calf injuries.
7) Springs will be just a hop, skip, and jump away from his BFF Terrell Owens house. Instead of flying, he can just drive over to T.O.s crib and they can watch the playoffs together again.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531093]Yup, heres a link to the podcast, i think this must have been done at 6AM or something. In case you cant listen to stuff like that at work, Cerrato also said he polled the defensive players and asked what they thought about Haynesworth and they were all in favor of getting him. He specifically mentioned talking with Fletcher and that Hall said, "go get the big guy."

[url=http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=65&c=427&f=22080]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url][/quote]

Thanks. I get paid to listen to stuff like this at work :)

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[quote=Ruhskins;531095]Wikinson had two good years with us, and put up some really good numbers in his first year. His numbers were not the same the next two and had a bad final year with us.

Year Tkls/Solo/Sacks/FF
1998 44/38/7.5/0
1999 32/23/8.0/1
2000 21/16/3.5/0
2001 25/19/4/0
2002 16/12/0/0[/quote]

We still signed two guys big free agents and our defense during that time was not our strong point.

Our offense rolled us through the 2nd round of the playoffs in '99.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531102]If true, that would be a great deal for a number of reasons:

1) We would be getting a much needed draft pick at a round certain to yield us a good special teams player at minimum.
2) If we couldnt trade him, we'd have to cut him and get nothing in return.
3) I get the pleasure of knowing we screwed Springs over by making him play for the sorry texans.
4) The Texans get a player who would never in a million years come to them of his own free will
[B]5) There arent as many stiff breezes in Houston, so theres less of a chance a 1 MPH wind will result in Springs being injured and inactive on gameday.[/B]
6) Springs will be much closer to his father and will have a shorter flight to visit him on the weeks he schedules his calf injuries.
7) Springs will be just a hop, skip, and jump away from his BFF Terrell Owens house. Instead of flying, he can just drive over to T.O.s crib and they can watch the playoffs together again.[/quote]

LMAO. Good one.

Seriously though, that trade would make sense.

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Well I don't know a bunch about these contracts but only 40 some million is guaranteed so he has to ern the rest if I'm reading that right. These guy's have ego's and most of these big deals never pay out close to what they sign for. I guess we will have to wait to see what the contract really is before coming to the conclusion about if we paid too much. It looks like we pay the bulk in the first couple of years so when his motor starts to run out we can get rid of him without a hugh hit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531103]Thanks. I get paid to listen to stuff like this at work :)[/quote]

God, that idiot Cowherd is frothing at the mouth. He's claiming that we bat .100 on free agency moves. He is also claiming that we made huge splashes in free agency last year. Neither of those are remotely true.

Why do you guys let him on the air? He doesn't know what he's talking about.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;531104]We still signed two guys big free agents and our defense during that time was not our strong point.

Our offense rolled us through the 2nd round of the playoffs in '99.[/quote]

Well, here are the Redskins' defensive ranking between '98 and 2000.

[U]Year[/U] [U]Rank[/U]
1998 15th
[B]1999 2nd[/B]
2000 11th

In 2000 the defensive rankings fell to #28 and in 2001 they were only 20th.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531083]I havent read all 6 pages here, but on ESPN980 this morning, Cerrato said Haynesworth took less money to come here than he was being offered by another team (presumably Tampa Bay.) Now, we can't necessarily beleive this because, of course, Cerrato wants to give fans the impression we got a great player and at a "bargain." However, if Cerrato can be beleived, [B]then it gives me hope that Hyanesworth is not all about the money.[/B] He's getting a ton of money, but he wanted to come somewhere:

1) In the spotlight. Haynesworth certainly wouldnt want to be in the spotlight if he had the intention of being a lazy SOB who didnt try.

2) Where he feels he has a chance to win.

Perhaps Haynesworth will play at - or above - the level he did in Tennessee for the next 2-3 years. It certainly sounds like we plan on using him sparingly. Cerrato said he anticipated Haynesworth to participate in 55-60% of the plays here, and that we plan to move him all over the line.[/quote]

BHA, If a 100M isnt all about the money, I dont know what is. I think coming to the Redskins probably gave him the most guaranteed money.

[quote]1) In the spotlight. Haynesworth certainly wouldnt want to be in the spotlight if he had the intention of being a lazy SOB who didnt try[/quote] He's in the spotlight wherever he goes.

I do agree with point 2 He definatly has a good chance of winning here. If he smells a Super Bowl in our near future well there's some more. $$$

With that said, I hope he is a beast for us. I'm not questioning his character as a football player but only stating the obvious, he's a great businessman as well as a player.

If I could pick any team to play on in a uncapped year, it would be the Skins.
As I said before I'm Happy and scared at the same time with this move.

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[quote=djnemo65;531109]God, that idiot Cowherd is frothing at the mouth. He's claiming that we bat .100 on free agency moves. He is also claiming that we made huge splashes in free agency last year. Neither of those are remotely true.

Why do you guys let him on the air? He doesn't know what he's talking about.[/quote]

Did he really say that? I'll go knock some sense into him

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[quote=SmootSmack;531103]Thanks. I get paid to listen to stuff like this at work :)[/quote]

Man can I have your job? I'm pretty decent with stats, I can do that as well. :)

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[quote=Skinny Tee;531033]I don't want to be a downer but I would like to be the voice of reason.

Is anyone old enough to remember the Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson signing years ago?...Don't get too excited for Haynesworth yet because he has yet to show what he can do in OUR system.

We got two stallwort DT's with Stubby and Wilkinson and their effect on our defense was minimal. Haynesworth is one person and subject to the scheme that he plays in.

Let's have some tempered realism with our expectations.[/quote]

We signed Stubblefield at the end of his career, much like Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and half our roster in that "era" I needed a refresher on Wilkinson's production so I checked out his stats. He had 8.0 and 7.5 sacks in his first two years with us, actually up from his previous career average. Then he fell off to 3.5 and 4, but he did have 23 sacks in 4 years and even scored a TD for us. He was never brought in with the expectation of being the top defensive lineman in the game like Haynesworth, neither was the aging Stubblefield even though he was paid nicely from Snyder.

Haynesworth is still young and can have many productive years with us. Also, we've watched Snyder actually learn and become a smarter signer of players over the years. He actually addresses needs now rather than just paying for the best free agents he can get and trying to out-talent other teams. He's a much more competent owner than early in his career, I believe Joe Gibbs taught him a lot.

I trust him now. Back in the "Stubblefield" days, he was a reckless check writer. Now, the Redskins actually have a vision for the future instead of "just win now".

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[quote=Ruhskins;531122]Man can I have your job? I'm pretty decent with stats, I can do that as well. :)[/quote]

You don't even know what I do :)

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Danny is still the same ol dumbass he always was. 154 mil for 2 players. One of whom can't make it through a season without injuries. What a boob. I can only hope that the economy crushes his finances and forces him to sell of the team. Time to break out the 'FireDanSnyder.com" t-shirt I guess.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531121]Did he really say that? I'll go knock some sense into him[/quote]

Just knock him out. I can't stand that man. Forget about listening to his show, even his commercials and radio promos make me reach for the tuner to get him out of my speakers. Thank God for Sporting News Radio so I can listen to someone else when he's on.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531091]You forget the redskins official motto in the Daniel Snyder era:

[B][I]"Just because its never worked before, that doesnt mean it wont start working now."[/I][/B][/quote]

LOL!

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[quote=djnemo65;531109]God, that idiot Cowherd is frothing at the mouth. He's claiming that we bat .100 on free agency moves. He is also claiming that we made huge splashes in free agency last year. Neither of those are remotely true.

Why do you guys let him on the air? He doesn't know what he's talking about.[/quote]

SS isn't in charge of that.

as far as batting %, overall it's not that bad, but on super high price FAs... it's terrible, and you need to hit at least .800+ on those.

i think we're still paying for lloyd... seriously? ouch.