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[quote=Dirtbag359;684440]GTripp needs a rival statistician. Someone to play Mel Kiper/Todd McShay to his Todd McShay/Mel Kiper.[/quote]

Slingin' Sammy 33 is the best on this site, the best...and don't sleep on 30 Gut

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[quote=Audi;684473]
Isn't it funny how Chris Cooley, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, and Clinton Portis have all succeeded in various situations with various quarterbacks and various coaches, yet when it's with Jason Campbell, they are just not good enough.[/quote]

Cooley has truly proven that he can succeed with anyone. At one point (2005) Moss was that type of player but has since gone back to the "I'm good but need a really good QB to show that" category. Samuels impact on the team isn't very dependent on who plays QB. Portis is getting close to the end but should be better in a stable.

[quote=SmootSmack;684486]Slingin' Sammy 33 is the best on this site, the best...and don't sleep on 30 Gut[/quote]

Now that you mention it I did see a lot of back and fourth between Tripp and Sammy during the first McNabb thread.

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[quote=SmootSmack;684486]Slingin' Sammy 33 is the best on this site, the best...[B]and don't sleep on 30 Gut[/B][/quote]

I don't think he'd like that.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);684483]
I'm not surprised either. That Audi post was kinda silly. People screamed at Brunell for not going deep jsut like they do Campbell. They dismissed his completion record as if they were all dump offs to portis and betts or something.

As for Collins, the WHOLE TEAM fought for those wins. Todd didn't have any remarkable plays where he won the game or anything like that. The D shut teams down and Todd did what a backup is supposed to do, not be the guy that loses the game.

You want a real view of Todd, look at that ugly stank@$$ performance in the playoff game! Once he threw that first ugly pick he turned into Heath Schuler, Jay Schreoder, and BAD Brett Favre put together! He was acting too scared, throwing ugly crap, and when he DID try it was ridiculous! I wish Campbell was in that game. When he throws a pick, he comes back in and doesn't let it kill his whole game like a true professional. Campbell ain't the best, but he doesnt' get worse after getting hit or throwing a pick. Todd Collins... Pssshh... good ridance

If someone is a backup for a decade, theres probably a good reason for it[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point. If Todd Collins is as bad as you say he is, then the team was still good enough to make it to the playoffs, something Jason Campbell was unable to do, which means he wasn't even as good as "ugly stank@$$" Todd Collins, and that Campbell was in fact not in a terrible situation that hindered him from showing his potential.

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[quote=Audi;684461]The Cerrato/Snyder regime's failures culminated in one year and that's 2009.

Mark Brunell and Todd Collins are proof that you don't need Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees to overcome the "terrible situation" that Jason Campbell was placed in. Even Patrick Ramsey did better with worse.

Don't let your hate for Cerrato/Snyder blind you from Jason Campbell's shortcomings. The evidence is there.[/quote]

I think you are letting your hate for Campbell blind you of the Cerrato/Snyder shortcomings. I am by no means blinded of Campbell's shortcomings, as a matter of fact, I see Campbell as a result of the terrible decisions made by Cerrato and Snyder.

Todd Collins played only in four games and then laid a turd during the playoffs and that was the end of him. Mark Brunell was an aging QB that was taking by Gibbs and was kept on as a starter for way too long. You call those two a success? :doh:

Once again, narrow minded people will dismiss the mistake that was the Cerrato/Snyder regime only to satisfy their petty bias of one player. Just stop your arguments, you're just embarrassing yourself.

If you want to point out Campbell mistakes, that's fine with me. No one here is saying he's a good QB. But don't pretend like he or any QB that has been on this team was under any good situation under the previous front office.

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[quote=Ruhskins;684494]I think you are letting your hate for Campbell blind you of the Cerrato/Snyder shortcomings. I am by no means blinded of Campbell's shortcomings, as a matter of fact, I see Campbell as a result of the terrible decisions made by Cerrato and Snyder.

Todd Collins played only in four games and then laid a turd during the playoffs and that was the end of him. Mark Brunell was an aging QB that was taking by Gibbs and was kept on as a starter for way too long. You call those two a success? :doh:

Once again, narrow minded people will dismiss the mistake that was the Cerrato/Snyder regime only to satisfy their petty bias of one player. Just stop your arguments, you're just embarrassing yourself.[/quote]

I'm saying Mark Brunell and Todd Collins had success with a team that you claimed was impossible for any other quarterback besides Brees/Brady/Manning, and therefore it should not be held against Jason Campbell. Try reading my post more thoroughly, which you admitted to not doing, and also rereading your own posts to see what I'm replying to. I have quoted your post for easy reference.

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[quote=Audi;684499]I'm saying Mark Brunell and Todd Collins had success with a team that you claimed was impossible for any other quarterback besides Brees/Brady/Manning, and therefore it should not be held against Jason Campbell. Try reading my post more thoroughly, which you admitted to not doing, and also rereading your own posts to see what I'm replying to. I have quoted your post for easy reference.[/quote]

I see what you are saying, but I feel that you are making a weak argument by saying that what Brunell and Todd Collins did would be consider a success. Burnell's Redskins were a marginal playoff team and Todd Collins got four good games and lost in the first round of the playoffs. Our team has been losing so much, that this small feat alone is considered success.

Bottom line, both the terrible decision maker that was the lowlight of the front office in the past 10 years is gone, and soon so will the mediocre QB that was a product of that terrible front office (along with the terrible decisions, terrible transactions, etc., etc.).

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[quote=Ruhskins;684506]
Bottom line, both the terrible decision maker that was the lowlight of the front office in the past 10 years is gone, and soon so will the mediocre QB that was a product of that terrible front office (along with the terrible decisions, terrible transactions, etc., etc.).[/quote]

I agree, but to be honest I'm not completely sold on Mike Shanahan yet as a front office decision maker. I think we can both agree when we say that we'll both be happy when we start winning and achieve the ultimate success, which is a Super Bowl.

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For the life of me, I don't understand why so many people on here act like immature high school kids, arguing over petty points like "my Dad can beat up Your Dad". If you are a true Redskins fan, then you should be happy that your team now has a Pro Bowl quarterback. A quarterback with NFC championship experience, and MULTIPLE playoff appearances. A leader. A guy who can read a defense. A guy who is confident. All these things McNabb brings to the table. Jason Campbell had none of these things. That is not even something anybody can argue about. The Redskins are a BETTER team this week than they were last week. That is not even something anybody can argue with. Those are the simple facts, and there is nothing to argue about. Just celebrate.

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[quote=SmootSmack;684486]Slingin' Sammy 33 is the best on this site, the best...and don't sleep on 30 Gut[/quote]I'm just a simple man, trying to make my way in the universe.

GTripp will find that it is he who is mistaken...about a great...many...things.

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[quote=internetcareer;684516]For the life of me, I don't understand why so many people on here act like immature high school kids, arguing over petty points like "my Dad can beat up Your Dad". If you are a true Redskins fan, then you should be happy that your team now has a Pro Bowl quarterback. A quarterback with NFC championship experience, and MULTIPLE playoff appearances. A leader. A guy who can read a defense. A guy who is confident. All these things McNabb brings to the table. Jason Campbell had none of these things. That is not even something anybody can argue about. The Redskins are a BETTER team this week than they were last week. That is not even something anybody can argue with. Those are the simple facts, and there is nothing to argue about. Just celebrate.[/quote]

My dad can eat a whole hollpanino pepper!

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[quote=Chico23231;684008]Someone remind me what we have won with this guy? Nice guy, but bye,bye JC[/quote]

Sure only if you can tell me how many times Campbell got hit last year (I lost count at 20 per game). And how many offensive coordinators he has had (I think its five). Its kind of hard to keep track so I would appreciate some help.

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[quote=Miller101;684519]Sure only if you can tell me how many times Campbell got hit last year (I lost count at 20 per game). And how many offensive coordinators he has had (I think its five). Its kind of hard to keep track so I would appreciate some help.[/quote]

According to NFL.com, the Redskins quarterbacks were hit a total of 97 times.

The Jaguars took 126 hits.

Other notable teams include the Packers (93), Cardinals (93), Texans (92).

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[quote=Player_HTTR;684518]My dad can eat a whole hollpanino pepper![/quote]

and your Dad is what...32 years old now?

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[quote=Miller101;684519]Sure only if you can tell me how many times Campbell got hit last year (I lost count at 20 per game). And how many offensive coordinators he has had (I think its five). Its kind of hard to keep track so I would appreciate some help.[/quote]

I hear ya, I do wish Vinny/Snyder would have given him more help, but I think he had his chance after 5 years. I think for him and the Skins best move is split...wish JC the best...good luck, and hope he learns to check down less and make a play

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[quote=Player_HTTR;684518]My dad can eat a whole hollpanino pepper![/quote]
how the hell do you bastardize jalapeno that badly? haha

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For all those involved in this drama, please set aside the differences, focus on our common cause, look to each other for support and most of all

:grouphug:

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[quote=Player_HTTR;684518]My dad can eat a whole hollpanino pepper![/quote]

I love hollpaninos:pimp:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;684586]For all those involved in this drama, please set aside the differences, focus on our common cause, look to each other for support and most of all

:grouphug:[/quote]Great use of the group hug smilie. LOL

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;684591]Great use of the group hug smilie. LOL[/quote]

Everyone just has seemed so tense lately, I mean, can't we all just get along?

(I almost went on a group hug rampage, one in each thread, but the monkey on my back said let it be)

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[quote=internetcareer;684516]For the life of me, I don't understand why so many people on here act like immature high school kids, arguing over petty points like "my Dad can beat up Your Dad". If you are a true Redskins fan, then you should be happy that your team now has a Pro Bowl quarterback. A quarterback with NFC championship experience, and MULTIPLE playoff appearances. A leader. A guy who can read a defense. A guy who is confident. All these things McNabb brings to the table. Jason Campbell had none of these things. That is not even something anybody can argue about. The Redskins are a BETTER team this week than they were last week. That is not even something anybody can argue with. Those are the simple facts, and there is nothing to argue about. Just celebrate.[/quote]

Sorry, suggesting that the only way to be a "true fan" is to agree with your position is a pretty high schooley argument.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;684593]Everyone just has seemed so tense lately, I mean, can't we all just get along?

(I almost went on a group hug rampage, one in each thread, but [B]the monkey on my back[/B] said let it be)[/quote]

Laron Landry says he wants it back...

[IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/173303/LandryMonkney.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);684020]Talk about no class. Everything about how this is being handled is wrong. Okay, so you decide that McNabb is the way to go. Fine. Plenty of argument fo rhim to be the better man. But hey, Jason didn't exaclty throw games and curse out players. He didn't cause any huge scandals or name names. Between Bruce and Mike, SOMEBODY should've had the the testicular fortitude to have a honest, man to man talk with Jason Campbell and tell him about McNabb. At least call him up and say, "Yo! We got your boy Donovan!"

No class at all in this organization. After the way he was treated, I wouldn't wanna be seen there either.[/quote]

Its a business man they aren't required to have a conversation with him. Like ppl have said JC had to some extent know that Shanny wasn't sold on him. To say they handled it with no class is crazy cause I thought JC already got his degree from Auburn.

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[quote=Player_HTTR;684518]My dad can eat a whole hollpanino pepper![/quote]

You mean Jalapeno pepper????

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I think he knew from the lack of talk from this FO for the past 3 months that his job was in MAJOR jeopardy, and he was going to more than likely be traded or moved somehow.

Just the fact that the H.C. met with him personally and asked him about his possible thoughts or wishes says a hell of alot more than most front offices in this league. JC is actually lucky in my honest opinion. He is getting traded with the shot of starting and becoming that ever elusive franchise QB that he thinks he is, and some team will take a shot with him, and prolly feel real good about doing it too.

Not to mention, I am sure he will end up seeing an increase in his salary.............nuthin but upside for all parties involved if u ask me.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;684626]Its a business man they aren't required to have a conversation with him. Like ppl have said JC had to some extent know that Shanny wasn't sold on him. To say they handled it with no class is crazy cause I thought JC already got his degree from Auburn.[/quote]

BTW, that was an absolutely horrid attempt at humor m8


I feel 3 IQ points dumber for reading that now.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;684626]Its a business man they aren't required to have a conversation with him. Like ppl have said JC had to some extent know that Shanny wasn't sold on him. To say they handled it with no class is crazy cause I thought JC already got his degree from Auburn.[/quote]

Nice to have you back Quake.

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When Shanahan tells JC to have his agent go find a team, is that an off-hand way of saying "Look JC, we tried to move you and came up with nothing so see what you can do and let us know."?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;684637]When Shanahan tells JC to have his agent go find a team, is that an off-hand way of saying "Look JC, we tried to move you and came up with nothing so see what you can do and let us know."?[/quote]

exactly..

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[quote=Mechanix544;684629]BTW, that was an absolutely horrid attempt at humor m8


I feel 3 IQ points dumber for reading that now.[/quote]

You sure you just weren't stupid to begin with??? Its a joke dude take the pantyhose off.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;684632]Nice to have you back Quake.[/quote]

Thanks DB. Trying to get back in the fold.

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I wasn't being rude, I was just making a joke, as well!!

Shake hands?

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[quote=Mechanix544;684650]I wasn't being rude, I was just making a joke, as well!!

Shake hands?[/quote]

To quote the waterboy "slap hands!" "slap hands!" but yeah we got off on the wrong foot. Clean slate as far as the eye can see.

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[quote=Player_HTTR;684518]My dad can eat a whole hollpanino pepper![/quote]

Congratulations, you just invented a word! I googled it and your post came up. ha ha

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[quote=earthquake2689;684652]to quote the waterboy "slap hands!" "slap hands!" but yeah we got off on the wrong foot. Clean slate as far as the eye can see.[/quote]

well alrighty then!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;684654]Congratulations, you just invented a word! I googled it and your post came up. ha ha[/quote]

Now who's going to make the Wikipedia entry?

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[quote=Mechanix544;684628]I think he knew from the lack of talk from this FO for the past 3 months that his job was in MAJOR jeopardy, and he was going to more than likely be traded or moved somehow.

Just the fact that the H.C. met with him personally and asked him about his possible thoughts or wishes says a hell of alot more than most front offices in this league. JC is actually lucky in my honest opinion. He is getting traded with the shot of starting and becoming that ever elusive franchise QB that he thinks he is, and some team will take a shot with him, and prolly feel real good about doing it too.

Not to mention, I am sure he will end up seeing an increase in his salary.............nuthin but upside for all parties involved if u ask me.[/quote]


I would be amazed if anyone signs JC to a long term deal going into a potential lockout. If he gets a starting job, he will be thrilled.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;684656]Now who's going to make the Wikipedia entry?[/quote]

JC should. He is going to have a lot of time on his hands...

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I'm just saying, it's one thing to tell someone that they are not guaranteed a starting spot, It's typical to say "its gonna be a competition", and they DID let him know beforehand that Grossman was probably gonna be one of the people he's competing against. But isn't that all the more reason why it's messed up that they didn't treat the McNabb situation the same? Jason has never been one to start drama, so i have no reason to believe the interview where he DIDN"T know was Jason playing in front of the spotlight. If it was a more outspoken player, maybe i could believe it was a play for sympathy or a reach for publicity, but this is Jason Campbell, not T.O.

I know it's a business, but that's not the way you handle business. There's a right way and a wrong way to move on.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;684654]Congratulations, you just invented a word! I googled it and your post came up. ha ha[/quote]

LOL, I am master of the uniwebz. I can't take credit, it is from some radio commercial public service anouncement about kids looking up to there dads or something. One kids says "yeah, well my dad can eat a whole hollapanino pepper," and the other two kids both exclaim "NO WAY." Then it goes into something about quitting smoking or not beating your kids, don't remember exactly but that line has stuck in my head. I think I misspelled it though it should have been hollapanino.