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I can see Shanny blowing out Fatal Bert because of his attitude and selfishness but at the same time, after paying him all of that "KASHE", wouldn't you rather see Shanny proceed in some other direction. To get some of his "KASHE" back?

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There is not a coach in th NFL (imo) that can build a team of players that do not have the perfect attitude, physical talents or mental baggage. I will tell all of you that from time to time, my comments will seem absolutly insane. Are we a team here, no. Do we work together here, no. Still, we blog and try to get some type of enjoyment out of this site which primarily I believe we do. So my point to you is do not judge the players that may have a checkered past. I remember the last time I needed a second chance and man am I glad I got it. Would you be ?

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[quote=RememberRFK;686594]I can see Shanny blowing out Fatal Bert because of his attitude and selfishness but at the same time, after paying him all of that "KASHE", wouldn't you rather see Shanny proceed in some other direction. To get some of his "KASHE" back?[/quote]

Dude, please stop with the Fatal Bert, it's moronic.

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Fatal Bert is only moronic to you. So it seems. Sorry, but it must continue.

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F*** you haynesworth

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i want that on a tshirt STAT

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The only problem is the lack of respect to the coach that wanted him there. He may have this reason or that reason for doing what he did but the coach asked him to be there. Like he did the rest of the team. What is that really saying? Do the math.

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Albert seems like a dude who goes by the "fool me once, you'll never get me to do the same 'mistake' again". It's the only explanation why he isn't budging from his current regiment.

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[quote=RememberRFK;686579]It is hard for me to forget Fatal Bert stomping on the head (twice) of the Dallas center. I was watching that game and I couln't believe my eyes. I pretty much figured it took two to tango but got way out of hand. As the years went by from that momment, Fatal Bert has done nothing to make me think that what he did that day was an isolated incident. Now we have his ill will blowing throughout our team. You may not chose to smell it but it's there.[/quote]


I hope Godzilla (in a B & G uniform) stomps on another Dallas defender. That would be earning a portion of that $21 MM.

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I also would hate to lose Haynesworth, mostly because we won't get equal value.
Yet I understand why Shan is ticked off at him. I am sure all the players received a nice welcoming letter when the new regime arrived. And said letter probably "requested" that all players attend "voluntary" camp in uniting players and coaches, and understanding new schemes. I am also thinking that Haynesworth may have pulled a "Jamarcus Russell", and didn't exactly appear to be in great shape when he meant with coach.
Even if he is working out diligently, for $21M, he should have flown his trainer in and stayed in the DC area to at least do film work and attend meetings.

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[quote=RememberRFK;686619]Fatal Bert is only moronic to you. So it seems. Sorry, but it must continue.[/quote]

What makes a selfish D-Tackle "Fatal"? If they choose to dump him this year it isn't setting them back to a point that they can't recover from. They were 4-12 with Albert. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that they would finish above that with or without Phat Albert.

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[quote=RememberRFK;686619]Fatal Bert is only moronic to you. So it seems. Sorry, but it must continue.[/quote]
Nope it's pretty damn moronic.

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[quote=jdc65;686753]I also would hate to lose Haynesworth, mostly because we won't get equal value.
Yet I understand why Shan is ticked off at him. I am sure all the players received a nice welcoming letter when the new regime arrived. And said letter probably "requested" that all players attend "voluntary" camp in uniting players and coaches, and understanding new schemes. I am also thinking that Haynesworth may have pulled a "Jamarcus Russell", and didn't exactly appear to be in great shape when he meant with coach.
Even if he is working out diligently, for $21M, he should have flown his trainer in and stayed in the DC area to at least do film work and attend meetings.[/quote]
You don't think that his trainer has other clients?

[quote]Haynesworth also participated in other first-day activities. But Haynesworth, who is determined to have a big year in 2010, comitted to an individual workout regime with a trainer before the Redskins' plans were set, according to the people with knowledge of the situation.[/quote]

You guys are probably more concerned with this than the staff.

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shanahan should just beat him up

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The dumbass wants to be shopped around, that is why he is doing this. He doesn't like the 3-4 set up or just doesn't want to work at it or probably both. I say shop the hell out of him for multiple mid rounders. I say midrounders because folks are not going to want to get screwed by giving us a first rounder plus getting stuck with his heavy ass contract. Why does he need to work with an individual trainer? I think the drills should be enough to get him in shape. Doesn't he like his teammates?

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I just feel like for the past decade, players could kind of do what they want. Phillip Daniels alluded to it in the off season when he said if people were working harder, they probably would have won a few more games.

This kind of attitude is necessary for right now; the players have been able to do whatever they want. What was Zorn going to do to Portis? Nothing.

Now, this means that every position has competition and that you need to show up and do things or you aren't going to get playing time. I think this begins to build that work ethic that is important to win close games. I believe this with McNabb's work ethic will really change the culture.

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[quote=Bushead;686855] I believe this with McNabb's work ethic will really change the culture.[/quote][IMG]http://abritishman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/donovan-mcnabb-looks-somewhat-inconsolable-at-the-postgame-press-conference1.jpg[/IMG] You Damn Right!

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I was looking over some memories past and came across this pretty good estimation of the Haynesworth signing. Posted on 02/28/09 right after the news of the signing took place.

Ade Jimoh FC is a soothsayer...well done:

[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;531053][B]We will totally regret this signing[/B] - WAY more downside than updside. Here's my reasons:

1) Too much $$. That is Peyton Manning money and you can't tell me that Fat Albert (who will probably participate in only about 60% of the snaps) is worth that.

2) His old team and Detroit (new HC is old DC at Titans) did not go after him aggressively at all. They obviously know he's NOT worth the money.

3) He's hurt. A lot.

4) He's got no motivation to perform - and has shown to be a player that needs motivation to perform.

5) The Titans' system was designed to collapse the pocket from the outside via speed rushing DE's and force the QB to step up into Fat Albert's path. I think we'll find out that this HUGELY inflated his numbers.

6) Not a high-character guy. (Neither is DeAngelo Hall who we just blew another rediculous wad of money on). This is the anti-Gibbs philosophy. How many perennial SB contenders do you see with character issue guys? Patriots? Steelers? Bad for team chemistry.
[B]
7) I guarantee you that in 2-3 years we're going to have a situation where we'll have to re-wicker his contract and it's going to be a media mess with trash-talking, holdouts, etc...

8) At this price, short of a repeat of what he did last year - it will be a complete DISASTER.[/B]
[/quote]

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After reading all the posts on this topic I have concluded that no matter what is said no one is going to change the other camps view on Big Al. Its kinda like liver, you either really really love it or you really really hate it. That said, I'm glad Al is playing for the Skin's. If for no other reason than what he did when DeAngelo Hall was tossed to the ground like a rag doll, by his facemask, by the gnitts Jacobs last year. Big Al was right there, right then, mixing it up with the perps, in the defense of his team mate. Don't get me wrong, I don't want football to turn into hockey or nascar where everyone goes to see the fights/crashes, however there is a time and a place to standup for your team and your mates and I think he has done both. I really can't remember the last time I have seen that. I know it has happened.... but I just can't remember when.....

Ok, I'm the newbie so I'll shutup now and go sit quietly in the corner. :benched:

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[quote=KC625;686926]After reading all the posts on this topic I have concluded that no matter what is said no one is going to change the other camps view on Big Al. Its kinda like liver, you either really really love it or you really really hate it. That said, I'm glad Al is playing for the Skin's. If for no other reason than what he did when DeAngelo Hall was tossed to the ground like a rag doll, by his facemask, by the gnitts Jacobs last year. Big Al was right there, right then, mixing it up with the perps, in the defense of his team mate. Don't get me wrong, I don't want football to turn into hockey or nascar where everyone goes to see the fights/crashes, however there is a time and a place to standup for your team and your mates and I think he has done both.

[B]Ok, I'm the newbie so I'll shutup now and go sit quietly in the corner. [/B]:benched:[/quote]
[B]
Welcome to the board KC.[/B]

That's a feeble reason to like someone. I get the whole sense of team that is shown when someone does that but to have $41M obligated to this player as a centerpiece of your competitive team and not see that equal impact on the field, or off, is distressing to say the least.

Not you specifically, but when some fans talk Redskins or football solutions, a lot of general machismo adages come up. Like a cure-all for the team can be verbally massaged with a pep-talk by a drill sargent with the masculinity of Chuck Norris.

A lot of "We need a coach to yell in their face/get angry" and "This team needs to punch the other guy in the mouth". As great as those suggestions may seem it just dilutes what should be the focus of our team...our scheme.

No tough words or phrases...no punches in the mouth or kicks in the ass...just trusting a coach to implement a scheme and sticking to that trusted coaches program for an appropriate duration of time.


Once we commit to "building" toward a uniform direction for more than a House of Representatives term we'll see competitive progress. As fans, we shouldn't let the numerous Clint Eastwood/Schwarzenegger one liners cloud what is really important.

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Thanks for the welcome Skinny. I apoligize, I should have made my opinion more clear. It isn't the ONLY reason that I like having AH as part of the team, there are many reasons but most have been posted here already, ad naseum. I guess I should have said "in addition to what has already been said "
Live and learn....
And I don't think my opinion was "feeble". I didn't imply that anyone needs to scream like a drill instructor or kick someones butt. What I like seeing is someone who has some fire in his gut and stands up for his team, instead of a bunch of prima donnas playing just hard enough to collect a paycheck, and some not even playing THAT hard and are STILL collecting a fat paycheck (Hint, one of them is "I don't do preseason", second hint, intials CP)

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[quote=KC625;686929]Thanks for the welcome Skinny. I apoligize, I should have made my opinion more clear. It isn't the ONLY reason that I like having AH as part of the team, there are many reasons but most have been posted here already, ad naseum. I guess I should have said "in addition to what has already been said "
Live and learn....
And I don't think my opinion was "feeble". I didn't imply that anyone needs to scream like a drill instructor or kick someones butt. What I like seeing is someone who has some fire in his gut and stands up for his team, instead of a bunch of prima donnas playing just hard enough to collect a paycheck, [B]and some not even playing THAT hard and are STILL collecting a fat paycheck (Hint, one of them is "I don't do preseason", second hint, intials CP)[/B][/quote]

You had me at "I don't do preseason" : )

What about coaches who let themselves be made a fool of so they can secure their paycheck for the year...lol. Both that reason and the fact that we're even uttering AH's name shows wherein lies the competitive problems our franchise has suffered.

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Agreed Skinny. That said perhaps we can put this topic to rest lol.

Moderator! Check please! :bdh:

Or am I being to presumptive being a newbie and all...hope not, it wasn't meant that way.

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Like the majority of posters I am siding with Shanahan here, if for no other reason than to support in the broadest terms the general change in discipline and atmosphere at Redskins Park that, needed for so long, Shanahan's arrival appears to be precipitating.

BUT, for some reason there exists a tendency amongst Redskins fans to severely underrate the impact that Haynesworth had on this team last season. Yes, he appeared to get injured several times a game, he huffed and puffed and didn't always seem in optimum shape, and he certainly came off poorly when criticizing Blache's defensive scheme in the media, in particularly uncharitable terms. Nevertheless, when on the field and firing on all cylinders he was every bit the disruptive, menacing force we paid for. It's not a coincidence that Carter and Orakpo both hit double-digit sacks for the year, Carter resurrecting a career that had seemed on the wrong side of done only a season prior.

AH might not be a guy I would choose to have a beer with; and in the end, he might not be a guy the new regime feels it can work with. Fine. But what is so headscratching is the perception - perpetuated by both the media and fans - that he was a bust for us last season. Albert played like one of the best DT's in the league last year.

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DJnemo65,
Well said Bro, and if you're in Japan you are probably staioned there I guess. If so, Thank you for your service to our country...

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[quote=KC625;686936]DJnemo65,
Well said Bro, and if you're in Japan you are probably staioned there I guess. If so, Thank you for your service to our country...[/quote]

I am actually a teacher over here (getting ready to leave). But thanks for liking my post:)

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[quote=Paintrain;686617]Dude, please stop with the Fatal Bert, it's moronic.[/quote]

Probably gets my vote for most moronic nickname we've seen on this board

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^^ It's a nickname of a nickname (FatAl Bert) that bears no relation to anything. Yes. I too vote "Most Moronic Nickname"

It's like renaming SmootSmack "The Administrator Formerly Known As Smootsmack" and then calling him by the acronym "TAFKAS".

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[quote=djnemo65;686933]Like the majority of posters I am siding with Shanahan here, if for no other reason than to support in the broadest terms the general change in discipline and atmosphere at Redskins Park that, needed for so long, Shanahan's arrival appears to be precipitating.

BUT, for some reason there exists a tendency amongst Redskins fans to severely underrate the impact that Haynesworth had on this team last season. Yes, he appeared to get injured several times a game, he huffed and puffed and didn't always seem in optimum shape, and he certainly came off poorly when criticizing Blache's defensive scheme in the media, in particularly uncharitable terms. Nevertheless, when on the field and firing on all cylinders he was every bit the disruptive, menacing force we paid for. It's not a coincidence that Carter and Orakpo both hit double-digit sacks for the year, Carter resurrecting a career that had seemed on the wrong side of done only a season prior.

AH might not be a guy I would choose to have a beer with; and in the end, he might not be a guy the new regime feels it can work with. Fine. But what is so headscratching is the perception - perpetuated by both the media and fans - that he was a bust for us last season. Albert played like one of the best DT's in the league last year.[/quote]

Good post: There are some people in this area who feel the whole Haynesworth situation could have been handled in a way that could have brought about a much better end result.

When you couple the true facts with all the erroneous media reports, it's not difficult to understand why there has been so many varying opinions. Has Haynesworth's attitude in reference to this whole ordeal been less than desireable (maybe) but there's no one side that should be destined to accept all the blame. There could have been just a little more give and take on the part of both parties and the situation could have turned out much different.

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Very good two part article on AH. In the 2nd part he talks some about last year, and about the 3-4, and what he and Haslett have talked about. It's not earth shattering, but it is the most cohesive take on AH's point of view I have seen.
[url=http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/]Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;686966]Very good two part article on AH. In the 2nd part he talks some about last year, and about the 3-4, and what he and Haslett have talked about. It's not earth shattering, but it is the most cohesive take on AH's point of view I have seen.
[url=http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/]Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/url][/quote]

Nice read

[url=http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html]Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part II - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/url]

“I think it’s going to be exciting. He’s a very experienced coach, he knows how to win and he knows how to build a team. I’m excited about it. I’m glad he’s our coach. He was definitely the best one out there. I’m just ready to get back to work and see what he brings to the table.”

“The players, I think we have the pieces there. We just need a puzzle master to put it together. I don’t think we need a whole lot more changes. Maybe a couple more tweaks here and there. Right now I’m satisfied with the talent that we have.”

"I talked to Jim Haslett and he plans on using me like they did with the Titans. He’s talked to a couple of Titans coaches and former Titans coaches and that’s what he said he’s planning on doing. Just kind of letting me loose and letting me play the game.”

“At first I was a little iffy to it because I’ve never played in the 3-4. I don’t have a clue to how it’s really played. But then I talked to him a little bit and he plans on just playing me in the middle a little bit and at end. I guess I’ll just move around and just wreak havoc; so as long as we’re doing that and I’m not just at one position, I’m fine, I’m fine with it.”

This all sounds quite [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/685292-post87.html]familiar[/url]

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nice to hear that. I hope its true. But I disagree about having all the pieces, not that he is gonna say, "we dont have the personnel to implement the system." tho........

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Did Extreme Skins just have a membership purge or a mass banning? Seem to be several non level headed posters joining recently.

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LOL, i suppose we could search ES for the status if members with the same names. maybe see what they were banned for.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;686966]Very good two part article on AH. In the 2nd part he talks some about last year, and about the 3-4, and what he and Haslett have talked about. It's not earth shattering, but it is the most cohesive take on AH's point of view I have seen.
[url=http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/]Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/url][/quote]

Thanks for posting...The combined articles do not have the man sounding anything like the various reports have attempted to make him out to be. He sounds like a man on a mission with his own idea about how to accomplish it. Good read.

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[quote=SmootSmack;686941]Probably gets my vote for most moronic nickname we've seen on this board[/quote]

Does it even qualify as a nickname if it doesn't make any sense?

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[quote=Longtimefan;686983]Thanks for posting...The combined articles do not have the man sounding anything like the various reports have attempted to make him out to be. He sounds like a man on a mission with his own idea about how to accomplish it. Good read.[/quote]

I agree, AH has from day one here said he wants to be known as the best DT, but with his own thoughts about it. I hope Haslett works with him and all of our talent that we have, and if so, it could be very good for us!

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nothing in the article makes me doubt that we're actively trying to trade haynesworth.

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Yeah I honestly dont mind Fatal Bert missing workouts. As long as he is on the field he helps our team improve.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;686994]nothing in the article makes me doubt that we're actively trying to trade haynesworth.[/quote]
Well, I don't think the article weighs in on that part of this debate, but it gives a good view of AH's view and personality.