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[quote=Ruhskins;757590]To wrap up, here is my criticism. I feel that the Haynesworth drama and the latest McNabb drama could have been handled differently. I really hope he didn't spend two draft picks to evaluate McNabb. If so, he should've just used those picks to improve the offense in other ways, and stick with Campbell. We probably would have a losing record right now, but for the sake of rebuilding I would be fine with this (probably not, but in the long run yes). I feel that the change to the 3-4 was unnecessary. While yes, it may be a trend, we didn't have the personnel for it and that wasn't the biggest issue with our team. I feel that any efforts into change our defense into a 3-4, should've gone into improving the offense. And improve it not for the sake of winning right away, but maybe set it up to win in the future.[/quote]Let me throw Devin Thomas onto the list of player issues badly mishandled by Shanahan.

Right personnel move? Probably. Doesn't excuse handling it disgracefully.

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I think Bruce Allen may have had a bigger influence in the alumni stuff since, after all, he himself is the son of one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;758081]Let me throw Devin Thomas onto the list of player issues badly misused by Shanahan.

Right personnel move? Probably. Doesn't excuse handling it disgracefully.[/quote]

Yeah, after some thought, I share this sentiment. He pretty much made it appear that Thomas wasn't giving the effort, which imo is BS. Thomas was playing very hard, but, imo, he was just not the super detail-oriented player Shanahan wanted out of him.

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[B]Mike Shanahan's November record:[/B]
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My source: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ShanMi0.htm]Mike Shanahan Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]
November Record: 42-21
Head Coach Overall Record: 150-102
Redskins 2010 Record: 4-4

November has started with Mike Shanahan/Redskins and it is very pleasing for me to tell you,it's pretty good.

#1)28% of all his 150 victories as a head coach have come in the Month of November.

#2)Coach Shanny is currently 48 games over .500 as a Head coach. If we were to take every November game away from his total Coaching stats from Wins & Losses...his overall record would be 108--81. That's only 27 games over .500.

#3)Shanny has a 67% chance of winning the game,when the game is played in November

#4)The Redskins have 3 games in the Month of November on their 2010 schedule. The Eagles,@Tennessee and Vikings. So according to Shanny's statistics and what he has done throughout his coaching career....he [B]SHOULD[/B] win 2 of those 3 games. Which would give the Skins a 6-5 record to date,if this happens.

It would be very interesting to see Mcnabb November record as well...
[COLOR="DarkRed"]GO REDSKINS!!![/COLOR]

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I would just like to reiterate that the 3-4 was born out of the *lack* of good d-linemen -- ends specifically. It takes two good DEs to make a 4-3 work, and 1 good NT to make the 3-4 work.

The reason we were better last year is because of Haynesworth. Take him off the line and our 4-3 is complete shit. So, why not run the 4-3 with Haynesworth? Because Shanahan is too stubborn to cave to the demands of a single player, regardless of how it might help the team win (in the short term). He's building a disciplined team of professionals that work hard and do their job, regardless of circumstances.

So, in my opinion, we're worse this year because Haynesworth doesn't see the field much (rightfully so, IMO) -- not because we switched to 3-4. That's a simplification I know, but so is just saying that we don't have the personnel for 3-4 and that's why it isn't working.

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Best insight on MS anywhere!

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/19/AR2010111902798.html?sid=ST2010111906675]Thomas Boswell - Mike Shanahan needs to play to Redskins' strengths[/url]

Mike! This ain't Denver!

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[quote=aceinthehouse;758334][B]Mike Shanahan's November record:[/B]
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My source: [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ShanMi0.htm"]Mike Shanahan Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]
November Record: 42-21
Head Coach Overall Record: 150-102
Redskins 2010 Record: 4-4

November has started with Mike Shanahan/Redskins and it is very pleasing for me to tell you,it's pretty good.

#1)28% of all his 150 victories as a head coach have come in the Month of November.

#2)Coach Shanny is currently 48 games over .500 as a Head coach. If we were to take every November game away from his total Coaching stats from Wins & Losses...his overall record would be 108--81. That's only 27 games over .500.

#3)Shanny has a 67% chance of winning the game,when the game is played in November

#4)The Redskins have 3 games in the Month of November on their 2010 schedule. The Eagles,@Tennessee and Vikings. So according to Shanny's statistics and what he has done throughout his coaching career....he [B]SHOULD[/B] win 2 of those 3 games. Which would give the Skins a 6-5 record to date,if this happens.

It would be very interesting to see Mcnabb November record as well...
[COLOR=darkred]GO REDSKINS!!![/COLOR][/quote]

Not to be your bubble buster Ace but all of his personal statistics and everything came from his time with Denver, not us. History might give us a better logical prediction for the future, but anything's possible, good or bad.

I'd love to see what Mike Shanny's record after the bye was if this was the week before the Eagles, so you or someone else could bring it up as a sign of hope for the game, but in the end it wouldn't have meant anything, because everything that could go wrong went wrong in that game.

I guess my whole point is that while your optimism is admirable, in the end it doesn't mean much. I respect your points and everything but I really don't believe Mike Shanahan's November record really has anything to do with whether or not we will beat the Titans or Vikings. Hard work, good preparation, the right mix of luck and positive plays, and whether or not we score more points than the other team will be the ultimate determining factors in whether or not we beat the Titans and Vikings.

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The only reason that I gave him a D is that he has built a mentally tough team that doesn't give up. Besides that, if you wrote down the laundry list of ridiculous decisions you would think Mr. Swinging Gate was running things.

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[quote=backrow;760652]Best insight on MS anywhere!

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/19/AR2010111902798.html?sid=ST2010111906675]Thomas Boswell - Mike Shanahan needs to play to Redskins' strengths[/url]

Mike! This ain't Denver![/quote]

I don't understand why we keep getting coaches in this team that constantly play players out of position.

Hayensworth as a 3-4 NT
Orakpo as a 4-3 LB
Landry as a FS
Carter as a 3-4 LB
Etc., etc., etc...

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Like I said, Shannahan deserves a D, I just wanted to remind those who strangely thought he deserved an A or a B, for what? What has he improved? The worst mistake of the Snyder era.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;765337]Like I said, Shannahan deserves a D, I just wanted to remind those who strangely thought he deserved an A or a B, for what? What has he improved? The worst mistake of the Snyder era.[/quote]

People wanted Fassel, Gruden Cowher, Billick, etc. all those coaches listed probably would have accomplished the same as Shanahan or less. I wanted Harbaugh or Holmgren, look what Holmgren has accomplished in Cleveland and Harbaugh in my opinion will be the next great coach in the NFL. I'll give Shanahan another year to see what he can do before I give up on him.

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The D's are slowly creeping up

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;765673]People wanted Fassel, Gruden Cowher, Billick, etc. all those coaches listed probably would have accomplished the same as Shanahan or less. I wanted Harbaugh or Holmgren, look what Holmgren has accomplished in Cleveland and Harbaugh in my opinion will be the next great coach in the NFL. I'll give Shanahan another year to see what he can do before I give up on him.[/quote]

Harbaugh will definitely make a great NFL coach. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in San Francisco next year. As for Holmgren, I would of preferred him over Shannahan too. To bad we're stuck with Shannahan for time being.

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So the reason AH92 was inactive today was that he was sick on Friday, and he was late by 1 minute on the field and he wasn't told that he wouldn't play today until he showed up at the stadium today. Shanny is a peace of work. WTF IS GOING ON HERE?

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[quote=warpaint;765747]So the reason AH92 was inactive today was that he was sick on Friday, and he was late by 1 minute on the field and he wasn't told that he wouldn't play today until he showed up at the stadium today. Shanny is a peace of work. WTF IS GOING ON HERE?[/quote]

if this is true that is a joke, and shanny's ego is bigger than i thought. i'm really sick of these [B]shanahanigans[/B] (heard it here first)

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[quote=mlmdub130;765759]if this is true that is a joke, and shanny's ego is bigger than i thought. i'm really sick of these [B]shanahanigans[/B] (heard it here first)[/quote]

I heard this from a reporter on the radio Greg Paulsen is his name he got it from an anonymous source on the team.

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damn it, i thought i coined it! screw it delete your post i'm rollin with it as my own

edit: guess you were talkin about the report, shanahanigans is all mine, gotta get a hold of my sign guy asap!! :food-smil

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[quote=warpaint;765766]I heard this from a reporter on the radio Greg Paulsen is his name he got it from an anonymous source on the team.[/quote]

Albert Haynesworth wanted to play
By Rick Maese

Albert Haynesworth said he was healthy enough to play in Sunday's 31-7 loss to the New York Giants and was surprised that Coach Mike Shanahan instead opted to deactivate the veteran defensive lineman

"I thought it was a do or die situation and that we needed to do everything to win," Haynesworth said.

Shanahan said Haynesworth's performance -- or lack thereof -- in practice last week contributed to his decision to sit the two-time All-Pro.

"Well, he didn't practice on Friday; he was sick," Shanahan said. "On Thursday, he didn't have one of his better practices and we weren't sure what the reason was. I'm guessing it's because he was sick -- because he didn't practice on Friday. Without practicing Friday and Thursday not having one of his better practices, we kept him inactive."

A team source said that last week Haynesworth missed at least one meeting and was late to at least one more. Haynesworth confirmed that he was late on Friday because he he was ill.

"I was sick, so I did show up a minute late," Haynesworth said. "I don't think that's a reason to sit out."

He was listed as questionable on the final injury report of the week due to an illness.

Haynesworth said he wasn't given any further explanation about being deactivated Sunday. Asked if he was upset by Shanahan's decision, he said: "It's whatever. If they chose to sit me, they chose to sit me. This is their organization. I'm just a piece."

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;765673]People wanted Fassel, Gruden Cowher, Billick, etc. all those coaches listed probably would have accomplished the same as Shanahan or less. I wanted Harbaugh or Holmgren, look what Holmgren has accomplished in Cleveland and Harbaugh in my opinion will be the next great coach in the NFL. I'll give Shanahan another year to see what he can do before I give up on him.[/quote]

What exactly has Holmgren accomplished in Cleveland?

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[quote=SmootSmack;765776]What exactly has Holmgren accomplished in Cleveland?[/quote]

A 5-7 Record, just like us....

Although I realistically could see the Browns being a playoff contender in a year. They're actually a really fun team to watch.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;765673]People wanted Fassel, Gruden Cowher, Billick, etc. all those coaches listed probably would have accomplished the same as Shanahan or less. I wanted Harbaugh or Holmgren, look what Holmgren has accomplished in Cleveland and Harbaugh in my opinion will be the next great coach in the NFL. [B]I'll give Shanahan another year to see what he can do before I give up on him.[/B][/quote]

Then consider yourself Dan Snyder, thats been his MO since he has been here to quick to pull the plug.

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[quote=SmootSmack;765776]What exactly has Holmgren accomplished in Cleveland?[/quote]

As a GM he has made this team very competitive, they've beaten NO, Miami and NE, have been in just about every game. He didn't give up the farm for Delhomme, drafted McCoy, traded for Hillis, etc. I say the Browns are a much better team than the Redskins right now.

Sun 9/12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Tampa Bay (0-0) L 14 - 17
Sun 9/19 Kansas City Chiefs Kansas City (1-0) L 14 - 16
Sun 9/26 Baltimore Ravens at Baltimore (1-1) L 17 - 24
Sun 10/3 Cincinnati Bengals Cincinnati (2-1) W 23 - 20
Sun 10/10 Atlanta Falcons Atlanta (3-1) L 10 - 20
Sun 10/17 Pittsburgh Steelers at Pittsburgh (3-1) L 10 - 28
Sun 10/24 New Orleans Saints at New Orleans (4-2) W 30 - 17
Sun 11/7 New England Patriots New England (6-1) W 34 - 14
Sun 11/14 New York Jets NY Jets (6-2) L 20 - 26
Sun 11/21 Jacksonville Jaguars at Jacksonville (5-4) L 20 - 24
Sun 11/28 Carolina Panthers Carolina (1-9) W 24 - 23
Sun 12/5 Miami Dolphins at Miami (6-5) W 13 - 10

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[quote=44ever;765678]The D's are slowly creeping up[/quote]

Which is what you'd expect after two losses in a row.

So far, my grade would be 'incomplete'. I find calls for his departure or firing absurd at this point though. He doesn't have all his pieces in place yet. You have to give him more than 12 games for gods sake.

If there's no improvement in, say, 2 years or so; if we're hopelessly last in the division, if there's still a higher ratio of overpaid, overhyped players with no apparent incentive other than to collect a paycheck, then yes, the Shanahan experiment will have been a failure.

I don't see how anybody can say that now though.

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[quote=warpaint;765779]Then consider yourself Dan Snyder, thats been his MO since he has been here to quick to pull the plug.[/quote]

Seriously, coaches need a minimum of three years, in my opinion. Unless things are such a trainwreck; like in Zorn's case....

Like today was pathetic, and thats just as much on Shannahan as it is the players... and I absolutley hate the way that Shanahan has handled the Haynesworth situation...but until he really gets a chance to get some guys in here then I still want to give it time....

I am very dissapointed to see how this team seems to have regressed instead of progressed over the course of the year though...

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[quote=Gmanc711;765778]A 5-7 Record, just like us....

Although I realistically could see the Browns being a playoff contender in a year. They're actually a really fun team to watch.[/quote]

I agree. McCoy has looked good, they have some nice young pieces on the defense, Hillis is an absolute beast of a player, they have a young franchise LT, Josh Cribbs, etc... They're a young, up and coming team for sure.

The Redskins on the other hand are old, injured, and largely talentless. Not really a good combo.

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I gave him a F. Great coaches devise schemes to his players strengths. Shanny has not done that and I don't see him ever doing that. I'm not just talking about the defense but the offense as well. In my humble opinion the Redskins should not be running a west coast offense. Its like water and oil, it just don't mix. Redskins should go back to the air coryell offense. I'm willing to give the 3-4 defense a couple of years but the offense has got to change....

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I'm definitely not thrilled with a lot of what Shanny has done, but a big chunk of our problems speak to just how inept Cerrato was as a personnel man. He set us back years.

Jim Haslett needs to be fired immediately, however. And the decision to bring him in falls squarely on Shanny.

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[quote=GMScud;765793]I'm definitely not thrilled with a lot of what Shanny has done, but a big chunk of our problems speak to just how inept Cerrato was as a personnel man. He set us back years.

Jim Haslett needs to be fired immediately, however. And the decision to bring him in [B]falls squarely on Shanny[/B].[/quote]

The 3-4 falls on Shanny

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[quote=GMScud;765787]I agree. McCoy has looked good, they have some nice young pieces on the defense, Hillis is an absolute beast of a player, they have a young franchise LT, Josh Cribbs, etc... They're a young, up and coming team for sure.

The Redskins on the other hand are old, injured, and largely talentless. Not really a good combo.[/quote]

you just said the browns are better than the redskins :doh:, and the said thing is you are right :doh: :doh:

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We've beaten the Packers, Bears, and Eagles. And the Browns are paying Delhomme over $7 million. I like the direction the Browns are headed, but let's not act like Holmgren is working major miracles

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[quote=SmootSmack;765809]We've beaten the Packers, Bears, and Eagles. And the Browns are paying Delhomme over $7 million. I like the direction the Browns are headed, but let's not act like Holmgren is working major miracles[/quote]

He has them heading in the right direction for sure, though. IMO he gets a higher grade personnel-wise than Shanny at this point. Hillis alone was a total robbery. That guy is an effing monster.

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[quote=SmootSmack;765809]We've beaten the Packers, Bears, and Eagles. And the Browns are paying Delhomme over $7 million. I like the direction the Browns are headed, but let's not act like Holmgren is working major miracles[/quote]

Those wins were acquired when the opponent was in a nerfed state, and only barely.

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I agree, Haslett must go and we must go back to the 4-3

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For next season the Redskins need to keep Trent Williams and bring up Selvish Capers/Erik Cook from the practice squad and release every other player on their O-Line. Then use their 1st and 2nd round picks on O-Lineman to get two more talented players. After the draft sign a bunch of young free agents and see if they can find any players to build some YOUNG depth. Till we get a solid O-Line our offense will continue to stink. We have to be able to run the ball to set up playaction and the longball.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;765830]For next season the Redskins need to keep Trent Williams and bring up Selvish Capers/Erik Cook from the practice squad and release every other player on their O-Line. Then use their 1st and 2nd round picks on O-Lineman to get two more talented players. After the draft sign a bunch of young free agents and see if they can find any players to build some YOUNG depth. Till we get a solid O-Line our offense will continue to stink. We have to be able to run the ball to set up playaction and the longball.[/quote]

Yep.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;765769]Albert Haynesworth wanted to play
By Rick Maese

Albert Haynesworth said he was healthy enough to play in Sunday's 31-7 loss to the New York Giants and was surprised that Coach Mike Shanahan instead opted to deactivate the veteran defensive lineman

"I thought it was a do or die situation and that we needed to do everything to win," Haynesworth said.

Shanahan said Haynesworth's performance -- or lack thereof -- in practice last week contributed to his decision to sit the two-time All-Pro.

"Well, he didn't practice on Friday; he was sick," Shanahan said. "On Thursday, he didn't have one of his better practices and we weren't sure what the reason was. I'm guessing it's because he was sick -- because he didn't practice on Friday. Without practicing Friday and Thursday not having one of his better practices, we kept him inactive."

A team source said that last week Haynesworth missed at least one meeting and was late to at least one more. Haynesworth confirmed that he was late on Friday because he he was ill.

"I was sick, so I did show up a minute late," Haynesworth said. "I don't think that's a reason to sit out."

He was listed as questionable on the final injury report of the week due to an illness.

Haynesworth said he wasn't given any further explanation about being deactivated Sunday. Asked if he was upset by Shanahan's decision, he said: "It's whatever. If they chose to sit me, they chose to sit me. This is their organization. I'm just a piece."[/quote]


Go on CSNWASHINGTON.COM and go to mulimedia and click on Brian Mitchell on Haynesworth and you can that Haselett pulled him aside right before the game. Now that some ho shit.

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AH is so done here, in case there was any doubt.

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Man i wish Bill Cowher would have come here, we need a coach that can put fire under the players a$$es, not just look confused on the sidelines as shanahan does over and over.

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[quote=Mattyk;765854]AH is so done here, in case there was any doubt.[/quote]

Yeah, to bad we couldn't have made him look better so we could get out of him via trade or picks. Oh well.

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[quote=GMScud;765814]He has them heading in the right direction for sure, though. IMO he gets a higher grade personnel-wise than Shanny at this point. Hillis alone was a total robbery. That guy is an effing monster.[/quote]

That trade was a snatch and grab , but don't forget shanny was the one who drafted hillis.