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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;766128]Redskins - - under the leadership of Danny Boy Snyder - - have a long history of paying players to come here and then cutting/releasing them for nothing.

The pattern works over a decade of Redskins' history; there is no reason to believe it cannot happen again.


And by the way, since the Skins and AH have been so public in their [I]contretemps[/I], what would be the incentive for another team to "work something out" with the Skins to acquire Haynesworth? It isn't as if there are a bunch of GMs out there who think that everything is hunky-dory between Haynesworth and the folks who run the team...[/quote]

I understand but....No player brought in here since Snyder took over the team has been payed as much guaranteed money as Haynesworth. I'm of the belief Snyder is still looking for some form of return on his investment, and that fact alone could be the only reason Haynesworth is still on the team.

I'm not buying into the concept Haynesworth is worthless. There are GM's around the league, knowing he's having problems here in Washington who are just waiting for the right opportunity to pounce for as little as possible.

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[quote=mlmdub130;766174]thats a pretty vauge question, but yes. things should definitly change and you should see some sort of improvement. they really made a bad call in saying they were not rebuilding imo. they should have just cut their loses at the begining of this season instead of wasting another year trying to patch somthing together. hindsight is 20-20 and all we can do now is sit back and wait, we aren't gonna be very competetive for atleast two years imo[/quote]

So let me get this straight..

If you're a bad team, all you have to do is hire a new coach, boldly state that "we're rebuilding," and then cut all your players, and you become good?


I think most would argue that we HAVE seen a change with shanahan. The whole AH situation, and especially the players' comments on it show that he has really set about changing the lackadaisical culture of the zorn era. Maybe that hasn't translated into wins just yet, but how could it with the talent he has? I don't think you can make a distinction between "patching something together" and "rebuilding." What shanahan is doing now is establishing a no-jokes, professional attitude in the locker room and evaluating his talent for next year. I suppose you could call that rebuilding, but this team didn't need to be completely blown up. The redskins got rid of a lot of older players that really needed to go, and after this season I think we'll see them get rid of more, AH being one of them.


Just understand that it takes more than one year for a disaster of a team to become good, and be happy with slight improvement..

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I would also say that I'm pleasantly surprised that the majority of posts on this thread [B][I]weren't[/I][/B] roasting shanahan for this situation, which is what I expected to be the case. It's about time we realized that shanahan isn't at fault for inheriting a worthless fat cry-baby and trying to get him to understand that he isn't exempt from the rules.

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What another waste!! **** you Vinny!

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101206/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_redskins_haynesworth]Redskins' Shanahan will meet with Haynesworth - Yahoo! News[/url]

Here is the nit and gritty of it all. I love Phillip Daniels and his work ethic.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/06/albert-haynesworth-takes-heat-from-within-redskins-locker-room/]Albert Haynesworth takes heat from within Redskins locker room | ProFootballTalk[/url]

According to Adam S. The skins won't cut him before the season is over

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[quote=takethecake;766203]So let me get this straight..

If you're a bad team, all you have to do is hire a new coach, boldly state that "we're rebuilding," and then cut all your players, and you become good?


I think most would argue that we HAVE seen a change with shanahan. The whole AH situation, and especially the players' comments on it show that he has really set about changing the lackadaisical culture of the zorn era. Maybe that hasn't translated into wins just yet, but how could it with the talent he has? I don't think you can make a distinction between "patching something together" and "rebuilding." What shanahan is doing now is establishing a no-jokes, professional attitude in the locker room and evaluating his talent for next year. I suppose you could call that rebuilding, but this team didn't need to be completely blown up. The redskins got rid of a lot of older players that really needed to go, and after this season I think we'll see them get rid of more, AH being one of them.


Just understand that it takes more than one year for a disaster of a team to become good, and be happy with slight improvement..[/quote]

i don't think you understood where i was coming from. i understand it takes time to see some results, but my point is that no one in the redskins organization seems to know how they are going to make the changes. i think there have been some moderate improvements but i don't think they really know what direction the team is headed in and that part scares the s outta me. shanahan has the rings so he gets some time and it will obviously take time, it would just be nice to know there was a plan of action they were trying to follow.

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he is making us suffer just as much as we are making him suffer by keeping him around. but what is done is done, let's just suffer together 'til the end of the year and get whatever we can for him. even if its a low round conditional pick or a 7th rounder. Anything is better than nothing, but if no offers come around then get rid of him.
...somebody has to think he is worth at least a 7th... right?... :(

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I hope and pray they are not stupid enough to just cut him out right. Bench him, IR him, I don't care but to simply cut him ... no way. How about we look to trade for some Rookie on someone elses team to make a deal.

Hell at this point I'd take a 7th rounder for him. But don't just cut him.

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Daniels needs to be made a captain if he isnt already and bring him back next year. Very well said...the way he sumed up Shanny and the team dynamic was spot on.


In regards to AH, there is nobody in the history of this team Ive been so embarrassed to have on this team. Its absolutely disgusting how unproffesional he has been and how he has represented this team. We should not cut him, i think we can def trade him. But im thru defending him and his play, I want him off the team. It unbelievable.

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[quote=Jontrem;766013]I wish that was a 100% chance he will be released. Sick of him, what a failed experiment.[/quote]This whole team, from top to bottom is a failed experiment.

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In the next collective bargaining agreement there needs to be a DPL (Douche Player List) where teams can place players who refuses to fulfill their contract or perform on the field.

Fck the money, I say do whatever it takes to make his life miserable.

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""That's my point. I'm tired of going through season after season where we lose games that we should win, guys not doing the right thing, guys not putting the best effort in, whatever it may be. I'm tried of that, man. We deserve better."
- Philip Daniels

I'm glad a player's finally airing out the dirty laundry. I think the Skins have been [I]too[/I] loyal about keeping things in-house. The organization has lost for too long and the fans are at a point that transparency is needed.

If a player is saying that loafing has been a problem every season, I say good for Shanahan and whatever kind of punishments he's handing out. Talent, scheme changes, luck be damned. I've watched teams like the Lions and Bills this season... and while their records may be worse than ours, they keep many of their games competitive.

We've had talent in the past, schemes that have worked... the one constant? Losing. And it all starts with attitude. 3-4 or 4-3... missed tackling, players dropping passes, guys not going full speed on game day- that's a lack of focus and want.

As long as Danny Snyder's pocket is the only thing suffering from such moves, I'll buy it. If I'm going to flog myself every Sunday watching the Skins lose, if I'm going to receive ridicule from all my friends over the years for being a fan of this team, if I'm going to have my hopes dashed every season at the halfway point... I'd rather go through such masochism if the performers are at least leaving it all out on the field. If professional football players have been able to skate by on less-than optimum behavior, I'll take the frito lays we'd get in return for Fat Al.

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[quote=takethecake;766204]I would also say that I'm pleasantly surprised that the majority of posts on this thread [B][I]weren't[/I][/B] roasting shanahan for this situation, which is what I expected to be the case. It's about time we realized that shanahan isn't at fault for inheriting a worthless fat cry-baby and trying to get him to understand that he isn't exempt from the rules.[/quote]

At first that was my thought on the whole thing...but now as the players are starting to speak out, its obvious this whole situation is a lot more than just the OTA's and those two disagreeing on what offseason work is.... I'm just ready for it to be over. Cut Haynesworth and get it over with.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/albert-haynesworth-i-was-not-h.html]Redskins Insider - Albert Haynesworth: 'I was not hung over.'[/url]

wow

[quote]"We're not putting the highest-paid guy, and a guy I think is one of the best defensive tackles in the game, on the field to try to help us win games. They've got me sitting on the bench. So they can just try to slander my name to say whatever they want, but we all know what the real truth is."
[/quote]

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[quote=mlmdub130;766216]i don't think you understood where i was coming from. i understand it takes time to see some results, but my point is that no one in the redskins organization seems to know how they are going to make the changes. i think there have been some moderate improvements but i don't think they really know what direction the team is headed in and that part scares the s outta me. shanahan has the rings so he gets some time and it will obviously take time, it would just be nice to know there was a plan of action they were trying to follow.[/quote]

My fault then, I may have made some assumptions haha. I feel like there is a plan of action, but that there may be a lot of it that isn't concrete, as the NFL is a dynamic animal. They also probably don't feel obligated to share their plan with the public, which I suppose is their prerogative. At least for now, and into the foreseeable future, I'm buying into the "shanahan plan."

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Well, Haynesworth just said on the radio that he's not showing up for his meeting with Shanahan tomorrow "I'm still heated over this"

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We need to get something for him, even if we becnh his ass the rest of the way. We can get a pick or two for him. THe more picks we have the better.

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[quote=saden1;766252]In the next collective bargaining agreement there needs to be a DPL (Douche Player List) where teams can place players who refuses to fulfill their contract or perform on the field.

Fck the money, I say do whatever it takes to make his life miserable.[/quote]

I would say just use better judgement when picking players. Giving this guy 40 mil was very poor judgement by our front office. They simply didn't do their homework.

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[quote=SmootSmack;766333]Well, Haynesworth just said on the radio that he's not showing up for his meeting with Shanahan tomorrow "I'm still heated over this"[/quote]

I have a feeling this is going to be a Keyshawn Johnson situation.

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[quote=itvnetop;766270]""[B]That's my point. I'm tired of going through season after season where we lose games that we should win, guys not doing the right thing, guys not putting the best effort in, whatever it may be. I'm tried of that, man. We deserve better." [/B]
- Philip Daniels

I'm glad a player's finally airing out the dirty laundry. I think the Skins have been [I]too[/I] loyal about keeping things in-house. The organization has lost for too long and the fans are at a point that transparency is needed.

If a player is saying that loafing has been a problem every season, I say good for Shanahan and whatever kind of punishments he's handing out. Talent, scheme changes, luck be damned. I've watched teams like the Lions and Bills this season... and while their records may be worse than ours, they keep many of their games competitive.

We've had talent in the past, schemes that have worked... the one constant? Losing. And it all starts with attitude. 3-4 or 4-3... missed tackling, players dropping passes, guys not going full speed on game day- that's a lack of focus and want.

As long as Danny Snyder's pocket is the only thing suffering from such moves, I'll buy it. If I'm going to flog myself every Sunday watching the Skins lose, if I'm going to receive ridicule from all my friends over the years for being a fan of this team, if I'm going to have my hopes dashed every season at the halfway point... I'd rather go through such masochism if the performers are at least leaving it all out on the field. If professional football players have been able to skate by on less-than optimum behavior, I'll take the frito lays we'd get in return for Fat Al.[/quote]

Is Daniels being serious? You lose games cause you're not good enough and the last two years have shown that.

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Albert Haynesworth disputes 'hung over' report on the radio
By Jason Reid

In a lengthy radio interview, Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth expanded on comments he made earlier Monday night to Redskins Insider, further expressing anger about a Comcast SportsNet report that he was recently "hung over" during practice.

Speaking with 106.7 The Fan's The Kevin & Rock Show, Haynesworth lashed out at "cowards" who have made up lies about him. On television and on its Web site, Comcast reported that Haynesworth was out late Thursday night and appeared "hung over" Friday.

"For these people to make up lies to try to make me look bad is ridiculous," Haynesworth said. "I think they are cowards, and if they have something to say, they should come to my face, not run to the media and try to blast me behind my back."

Since the offseason, Haynesworth and Coach Mike Shanahan have been at odds over Shanahan's handling of the two-time all-pro player. Asked whether someone has it out for him, Haynesworth acknowledged he believes he has detractors within the Redskins' organization.

"There are some kind of haters or something like that in the organization, that they don't like me," he said. "I don't know if it's players or coaches. I don't know who it is. Obviously, there's somebody who doesn't like me, which is fine. But when you go out there and start making up lies, I've got something to say."

Despite being physically sound, Haynesworth, for the fourth time this season, was listed as inactive during Sunday's 31-7 loss to the New York Giants. Shanahan said Haynesworth "was sick" last week and declared inactive because he did not practice well Thursday and sat out Friday.

Although teammates have been critical of Haynesworth for his latest problem with Shanahan, no one has approached him about the situation, he said.

"No. Nobody's said that," Haynesworth said. "Be a man. If you've got something to say to me, then you come and say it to me in my face. Don't go running behind and say things behind my back. We're not little girls or something like that.

"I'm a man. If I have something to say about you, I'll say it to your face. I don't have a problem with that. It should be the same way. Not running behind someone's back and go talking about them and start all the rumors and lies, just because they want to make themselves look good or whatever."

Haynesworth has a salary of $3.6 million. At the completion of this season, Haynesworth will have been paid $35.6 million for two seasons with the team. His $5.4 million salary in 2011 is not guaranteed.

The nine-year veteran said he is committed to the Redskins.

"I wanted to play [against the Giants]," he said. "I come in [to the locker room], my stuff is packed up and they tell me I'm deactivated. ... I'm here to play. Everybody's saying I'm not committed. I'm committed. I'm out here to play.

"I've never had an issue with playing. I always play hard. I play hurt. I'd blow out something before I'd quit playing. I'm still the same player I was when I left Tennessee. And if they could put me on the field and let me prove that I would. Getting fourteen snaps a game is not helping anything."

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[quote=SmootSmack;766333]Well, Haynesworth just said on the radio that he's not showing up for his meeting with Shanahan tomorrow "I'm still heated over this"[/quote]

So your boss suspends you and then says, "I want to talk to you. Meet me Saturday morning". Your response: "Nah, I'll see you Monday, talk to you then, I'll let you know when I ready for you." Boss: "Don't worry, you don't need to come in Monday. You're fired."

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Put him on IR if at all possible.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;766363]Put him on IR if at all possible.[/quote]

Behavior detrimental to the team/insubordination, would be a good reason to IR his fat ass.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;766364]Behavior detrimental to the team/insubordination, would be a good reason to IR his fat ass.[/quote]

Just cut him. This team needs to realize they made a mistake and just cut their losses. I don't understand what's the philosophy behind keeping him. You're not going to teach him a lesson, and the team has bigger issues to deal with. Just cut him, plain and simple, and at least this issue will be dead in the water.

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[quote]"They pay me this money: Let me play like I played in Tennessee. I will show you. I made a lot of plays in Tennessee; I can do the same thing here. All you've got to do is take off the dadgum leash and let me loose and you will see how great I am. ... I want to play football; that's what I want to do. Let me be great at it. Let me accomplish my goals. I want to be the best defense tackle to ever play this game."[/quote]

This one got me as well. Your not the coach you don't get to dictate what kind of defense they run. He is incapable of understanding why people/teammates/coaches take issue with his attitude. And you can take all that effort talk and shove it Albert, I have seen too many plays you have taken off. Sit your happy ass over the Center, draw the double team and get to rush the passer when the game dictates it, not you. Then some of these minor things go away becuase you are part of the system not a selfish whiney punk. F off tubby, bye.

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[quote=SmootSmack;766333]Well, Haynesworth just said on the radio that he's not showing up for his meeting with Shanahan tomorrow "I'm still heated over this"[/quote]

I know it's his day off, but is that grounds for a suspension?

It amazes me how thick headed this guy is. He's just never going to get it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;766389]Just cut him. This team needs to realize they made a mistake and just cut their losses. I don't understand what's the philosophy behind keeping him. You're not going to teach him a lesson, and the team has bigger issues to deal with. Just cut him, plain and simple, and at least this issue will be dead in the water.[/quote]

You don't have a problem with cutting him and some team picking him up to make a playoff run. That would really get me to see him playing in the playoffs and maybe the SB after what he has done this year. If you don't think a team will snatch him up quick you better think again.

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Honestly, what playoff bound team would want him? Not sure someone would want to roll the dice on his shitty attitude dragging you down if god forbid you don't bend over backwards for him.

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[quote=firstdown;766415]You don't have a problem with cutting him and some team picking him up to make a playoff run. That would really get me to see him playing in the playoffs and maybe the SB after what he has done this year. If you don't think a team will snatch him up quick you better think again.[/quote]

I don't, because I don't care about him. And the team shouldn't, they need to fix their own problems, and he is a problem that the team doesn't need. What's the big freaking deal if he goes to another team? The team f*cked up when they got him, and now they should just cut their losses and get rid of him.

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Imagine a co-worker of yours is purposely underperforming due to their unhappiness with their job, and yet they don't quit their job because of the great salary and benefits. Sure, that can be a distraction.

Eventually, management catches wind of the malcontent and, instead of firing him, they decide to move his desk into a broom closet, only bringing him out occasionally to help close a sale (with only mediocre results). While he's in the closet, he alternates between complaining and deliberately announcing how much fun he's having by NOT working. I bet that gets annoying.

Sure, you might work harder at the beginning, in order to prevent getting locked in a broom closet. Over time, though, you'll become preoccupied with management's weird refusal to do the obvious thing and fire the guy.

The answer is not to keep him locked in the closet, and it sure ain't bringing him back to the office full-time. The answer is to fire him.

End of metaphor. Although it's unlikely, I hope Haynesworth jumps on a playoff-bound team, averages 3 sacks a game, and singlehandedly wins a Super Bowl with his new team. Good luck and God bless. I hate the 3-4, too, so go find a 4-3 and thrive. **** it, go to the Giants and play for free. I have my own team to worry about.

I don't think Haynesworth's release would bring about any immediate improvements on the field. But that's fine. This team needs to focus on how they are playing and not management's vengeful handling of (re-starting metaphor) the whimpering malcontent in the broom closet.

You gotta release him. Kill the last vestige of the Cerrato era. Once the smoke clears, you can take an honest inventory of what you have left: a not-very-good football team. Then you start doing what you have to do to get better. It's obvious we can't play him anymore, so we're not getting anything for him now, and we're not getting anything for him later. I apologize if anybody else has already said this in the comments, but:

"What should be done eventually must be done immediately."

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Matt Terl had a very good blog entry today, IMO:

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/12/07/albert-haynesworth-talks-about-the-importance-of-adjusting/]Albert Haynesworth Talks About The Importance Of Adjusting[/url]

[QUOTE]You could take it further -- you could point out that while Haynesworth pins his dissatisfaction this year on the 3-4 defense, he claimed at about this time last year that he couldn't "survive another season" in the 4-3 that the team was running at the time; you could point out that his happy memories of Jim Schwartz essentially focus on him disregarding a defensive system that Schwartz was "so excited" about; you could point out that he's essentially asking for ten other defensive players and the entire coaching staff to change just to accomodate him -- but it's all just re-emphasizing the same point.
[/QUOTE]
I really recommend reading the whole thing it's well written and, while very Front Office oriented, I think very well thought out.

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I'm just so tired of reading and talking about the guy. Not sure I've ever been more eager to see a guy go.

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[quote=Mattyk;766423]Honestly, what playoff bound team would want him? Not sure someone would want to roll the dice on his shitty attitude dragging you down if god forbid you don't bend over backwards for him.[/quote]

Are you serious? The Eagles or Giants could easily pick him up and he'd probably stay in line and be productive for those teams. The Giants made a play for him when he was a free agent. Can't just cut him loose.

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[quote=skinsfan69;766457]Are you serious? The Eagles or Giants could easily pick him up and he'd probably stay in line and be productive for those teams. The Giants made a play for him when he was a free agent. Can't just cut him loose.[/quote]

I think sticking it to Mike Shanahan would be motivation enough for him to perform at a high level on a division rival. And a motivated AH is not something to scoff at.

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[quote=skinsfan69;766457]Are you serious? The Eagles or Giants could easily pick him up and he'd probably stay in line and be productive for those teams. The Giants made a play for him when he was a free agent. Can't just cut him loose.[/quote]

Yeah I'm serious, the guy is a potential big problem in any locker room if things don't go his way. He's never stayed in line for anyone, even with the Titans he was an issue and a constant thorn in their side. This late in the season I'm not sure teams would be beating down his door and risk disrupting what they have going. Most likely a moot issue anyway, we're not going to give him what he wants.

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And so it ends:

Rich_Campbell Rich Campbell
RT @redskinsblog: #Redskins have suspended Haynesworth without pay for the team’s next four games for conduct detrimental to the club.
3 minutes ago

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Albert suspended for rest of season without pay for conduct detrimental to the team

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W/out pay??? I don't know how they're going to get away with that.