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RG3 should go a long way in solving that one ^

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I hate to say it, but I hope Deangelo Hall doesn't shut me up. Don't get me wrong, if deangelo does great I'll be happy with that...but every other player that I want to "shut me up" I don't have any ill will towards. With Deangelo, its almost personal. Deangelo is the only redskin I am upset that is even on the roster. If he was playing for the vet min I probably wouldn't have a problem, but he is paid like an elite corner but sucks, has a shitty personality, and even in his day wasn't that good.

The guy I want to shut me up over everyone else is Haslett. I said two seasons ago that Haslett sucked and should be fired immediately. I never bought that switching to a 3-4 "takes time" to adjust, and people were just using that as false hope for the reason that we were 1.6 yards away from being the worst ranked defense in the league. No way we had the second least talented defense in the league...not even close. Yes we improved this past year, but I just feel that the best Haslett can do with our defense has a cap outside of the top 10, no matter how good our talent is.

I want Haslett to shut me up and bring me a top 10 defense.

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[quote=skinster;911931]I hate to say it, but I hope Deangelo Hall doesn't shut me up. Don't get me wrong, if deangelo does great I'll be happy with that...but every other player that I want to "shut me up" I don't have any ill will towards. With Deangelo, its almost personal. Deangelo is the only redskin I am upset that is even on the roster. If he was playing for the vet min I probably wouldn't have a problem, but he is paid like an elite corner but sucks, has a shitty personality, and even in his day wasn't that good.

The guy I want to shut me up over everyone else is Haslett. I said two seasons ago that Haslett sucked and should be fired immediately. I never bought that switching to a 3-4 "takes time" to adjust, and people were just using that as false hope for the reason that we were 1.6 yards away from being the worst ranked defense in the league. No way we had the second least talented defense in the league...not even close. Yes we improved this past year, but I just feel that the best Haslett can do with our defense has a cap outside of the top 10, no matter how good our talent is.

I want Haslett to shut me up and bring me a top 10 defense.[/quote]

The criticism of Haslett is accurate, but I wouldn't hold my breath on his improvement.

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[quote=skinster;911931]I hate to say it, but I hope Deangelo Hall doesn't shut me up. Don't get me wrong, if deangelo does great I'll be happy with that...but every other player that I want to "shut me up" I don't have any ill will towards. With Deangelo, its almost personal. Deangelo is the only redskin I am upset that is even on the roster. If he was playing for the vet min I probably wouldn't have a problem, but he is paid like an elite corner but sucks, has a shitty personality, and even in his day wasn't that good.[/quote]

So you'd prefer to see our secondary to do poorly just to satisfy your personal hatred towards a player? I just don't get this.

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[quote=skinster;911931]I hate to say it, but I hope Deangelo Hall doesn't shut me up. Don't get me wrong, if deangelo does great I'll be happy with that...but every other player that I want to "shut me up" I don't have any ill will towards. With Deangelo, its almost personal. Deangelo is the only redskin I am upset that is even on the roster. If he was playing for the vet min I probably wouldn't have a problem, but he is paid like an elite corner but sucks, has a shitty personality, and even in his day wasn't that good.

The guy I want to shut me up over everyone else is Haslett. I said two seasons ago that Haslett sucked and should be fired immediately. I never bought that switching to a 3-4 "takes time" to adjust, and people were just using that as false hope for the reason that we were 1.6 yards away from being the worst ranked defense in the league. No way we had the second least talented defense in the league...not even close. Yes we improved this past year, but I just feel that the best Haslett can do with our defense has a cap outside of the top 10, no matter how good our talent is.

I want Haslett to shut me up and bring me a top 10 defense.[/quote]

You gotta be jivin us. Jive turkey.

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I think Cooley has a lot to prove this year too.

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[quote=Ruhskins;911945]So you'd prefer to see our secondary to do poorly just to satisfy your personal hatred towards a player? I just don't get this.[/quote]

Exactly. You don't know how much pain it would cause me to see DeAngelo Hall have success at his natural position, especially for my favorite team.

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[quote=mooby;911976]Exactly. You don't know how much pain it would cause me to see DeAngelo Hall have success at his natural position, especially for my favorite team.[/quote]

I've never been Hall's fan, but still hope he rebounds markedly this season. Stranger things have happened in pro football.

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[quote=skinster;911931]I hate to say it, but I hope Deangelo Hall doesn't shut me up. Don't get me wrong, if deangelo does great I'll be happy with that...but every other player that I want to "shut me up" I don't have any ill will towards. With Deangelo, its almost personal. Deangelo is the only redskin I am upset that is even on the roster. If he was playing for the vet min I probably wouldn't have a problem, but he is paid like an elite corner but sucks, has a shitty personality, and even in his day wasn't that good.[/quote]
So because you wouldn't want to have a beer with him you would be upset with him if he's on the roster regardless of performance? I never understand why someone's salary matters to fans.
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The guy I want to shut me up over everyone else is Haslett. I said two seasons ago that Haslett sucked and should be fired immediately. [B]I never bought that switching to a 3-4 "takes time" to adjust, and people were just using that as false hope for the reason that we were 1.6 yards away from being the worst ranked defense in the league.[/B] No way we had the second least talented defense in the league...not even close. Yes we improved this past year, but I just feel that the best Haslett can do with our defense has a cap outside of the top 10, no matter how good our talent is.

I want Haslett to shut me up and bring me a top 10 defense.[/quote]

It's a well documented fact that you can't just flip 4-3 personnel into an effective 3-4 defense and vice versa. The whole notion of 'Top 10' is kinda false anyways. We had a 'Top 10' defense in 2009 that couldn't create turnovers or keep points off the scoreboard. The defense was filled with aging, unproductive players but because we allowed fewer yards than other teams we were a 'Top 10 defense' but largely ineffective.

Not to defend Haslett specifically because I think many of his schemes are flawed and put players in positions to fail but our defense and defensive personnel is much better than it was pre-Haslett.

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[quote=Paintrain;911987]So because you wouldn't want to have a beer with him you would be upset with him if he's on the roster regardless of performance? I never understand why someone's salary matters to fans.


It's a well documented fact that you can't just flip 4-3 personnel into an effective 3-4 defense and vice versa. The whole notion of 'Top 10' is kinda false anyways. We had a 'Top 10' defense in 2009 that couldn't create turnovers or keep points off the scoreboard. The defense was filled with aging, unproductive players but because we allowed fewer yards than other teams we were a 'Top 10 defense' but largely ineffective.

Not to defend Haslett specifically because I think many of his schemes are flawed and put players in positions to fail but our defense and defensive personnel is much better than it was pre-Haslett.[/quote]

Baltimore around the turn of the millenium. Ravens went from 4-3 to 3-4 and we're (still) elite.

But I digress. The point is Haslett, regardless of what he's given to work with, will never give you an elite defense.

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[quote=Paintrain;911987]So because you wouldn't want to have a beer with him you would be upset with him if he's on the roster regardless of performance? I never understand why someone's salary matters to fans.


It's a well documented fact that you can't just [B]flip 4-3 personnel into an effective 3-4 defense and vice versa.[/B] The whole notion of 'Top 10' is kinda false anyways. We had a 'Top 10' defense in 2009 that couldn't create turnovers or keep points off the scoreboard. The defense was filled with aging, unproductive players but because we allowed fewer yards than other teams we were a 'Top 10 defense' but largely ineffective.

Not to defend Haslett specifically because I think many of his schemes are flawed and put players in positions to fail but our defense and defensive personnel is much better than it was pre-Haslett.[/quote]

crazy how that works. And when you cant flip it, blame it on D Hall or Obama.

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DHall

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[quote=Paintrain;911987]It's a well documented fact that you can't just flip 4-3 personnel into an effective 3-4 defense and vice versa. The whole notion of 'Top 10' is kinda false anyways. We had a 'Top 10' defense in 2009 that couldn't create turnovers or keep points off the scoreboard. The defense was filled with aging, unproductive players but because we allowed fewer yards than other teams we were a 'Top 10 defense' but largely ineffective. [/quote]The vast majority of defenses transitioning from 40 fronts to 30 fronts improved in year one. The Redskins were in the minority in that they declined.

Agree on the top ten. If you throw out the worst single game performance by the 2009 defense, and then throw out the Monday Night Massacre in 2010, they have pretty similar numbers overall. It was the same story each season: Fletcher can handle the run, but the secondary is too leaky and even the worst quarterbacks have good days.