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JWsleep 04-26-2019 10:49 AM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
Look, if he was a lock, he wouldn't have been there at 15. Going in, all the hype was "Danny is going to trade the farm to get into the top 5". That didn't happen. We got a talent with serious potential without trading picks. Will he be the savior? Who the fuck knows? But not giving him a shot when he was sitting there at 15 would have been a serious mistake, IMO. It's cost/benefit: worth the shot, given what we need. Plus, they got Sweat, so how ever fucked up the front office is supposed to be (and this makes great click-bait at draft time), they did what you'd pretty much want them to do: fill the holes as best they can in the draft. Not the sexy narrative of "Crazy Danny is Back!", but decent FO moves.

Time, as always, will tell. There are no gimmes.

mooby 04-26-2019 10:55 AM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=Chico23231;1222332]I agree. I think Jay earned the right to tell to front office who to start when he started Cousins over RG3.

Look, another report Colt had a setback in his recovery...I would move on from Colt and set the QB room with Alex Smith, Haskins and Keenam. Id attach Smith at the hip of Haskins with the plan of giving Keenam the first opportunity at the job. Then let the competition begin...let Jay make the call right before season, but we shouldn't rush it.[/quote]

This is the smart play. I wasn't a fan of the pick but obviously we all want him to succeed. I think if they throw Haskins out there this year with this WR corps it would be like throwing him to the wolves. Letting him sit for a year and shadow Smith while we get some help on the WR corps would be a really smart move.

I just worry with Gruden's job on the line he'll feel pressured to start Haskins before he's ready.

MTK 04-26-2019 10:58 AM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
If he earns the job he'll start. If not, sitting for a while won't hurt.

skinsfan69 04-26-2019 11:24 AM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
How many QB's have thrown for 50td's and 4,800 yards in college? How many have done that in the Big Ten? I mean this kid put up some jaw dropping numbers against good competition. He did it against the best defenses in the country. He changed protections, he sees the field pretty well. This isn't Oklahoma's conference.

If he turns out to be a bust I can't slam the front office for this one. The value at 15 simply could not be turned down.

SkinsGuru 04-26-2019 11:33 AM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=MTK;1222322]Sweat helped ease my pain over Haskins. I'm not a huge fan of his game but maybe we just lucked into a franchise QB, who knows. I'll support him until he proves otherwise. At the very least I'm happy we didn't trade up to get him.[/quote]

this is exactly how i feel . . . i would have preferred trading for rosen, grabbing burns at 15 and still having next years 2nd round pick . . . but i'm happy they didn't trade up for Haskins . . . and that Sweat fell to a place we could grab him, even it if cost us next years 2nd round . . . we'll see i guess

Buffalo Bob 04-26-2019 11:39 AM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=skinsfan69;1222348][B]How many QB's have thrown for 50td's and 4,800 yards in college?[/B] How many have done that in the Big Ten? I mean this kid put up some jaw dropping numbers against good competition. He did it against the best defenses in the country. He changed protections, he sees the field pretty well. This isn't Oklahoma's conference.

If he turns out to be a bust I can't slam the front office for this one. The value at 15 simply could not be turned down.[/quote]

David Klingler. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

sandtrapjack 04-26-2019 11:47 AM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=Buffalo Bob;1222353]David Klingler. Sorry, I couldn't resist.[/quote]

Klingler was at Houston, a far cry from the Big 10

Buffalo Bob 04-26-2019 12:38 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=sandtrapjack;1222355]Klingler was at Houston, a far cry from the Big 10[/quote]

No kidding. I just answered a question.

calia 04-26-2019 12:40 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1222281]Look I know we all are doubters of the QB position but haskins is for real and he's hungry. He wasn't happy Dan Jones went ahead. I like the chip on his shoulder

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Sweat had a chip too thinking he should have gone higher. Love it. That chip has served Aaron Rodgers pretty well over the years.


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MTK 04-26-2019 01:18 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
If stats had any meaning Haskins would have been the slam dunk #1 pick. Unfortunately they don’t, and 14 teams passed on him. Just the reality of it.


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metalskins 04-26-2019 01:21 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
I think it was a great pick for #15. Trading up to get Haskins would have imploded this board. With DH dropping to our pick, it would have been dumb to have passed him up. Besides, we were able to get Sweat, so we filled two positions of need in the first without giving the farm away.

I'm excited for Haskins. I just hope Gruden is given the opportunity to bring him along slowly and not throw him out to the wolves too soon.

sandtrapjack 04-26-2019 01:25 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=MTK;1222365]If stats had any meaning Haskins would have been the slam dunk #1 pick. Unfortunately they don’t, and 14 teams passed on him. Just the reality of it.


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How many teams picking 1 thru 14 were even looking QB? When the Giants took Jones, my first thought was "There is an outside shot that the Bengals may look at Haskins, but if Cincy does not take him, he is Washington bound".

In truth, you could say the Giants passed on him. But look around the Interwebs today......Giants are getting persecuted for 'the reach' for Jones. Washington getting the praise for a solid first round.

Buffalo Bob 04-26-2019 01:26 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
Listening to Colin Cowherd today he likes Haskins and thinks he could be a good NFL QB, then turns around and says he feels sorry for him ending up in DC. What will it take for the Redskins to get some respect back?

MTK 04-26-2019 01:30 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1222369]How many teams picking 1 thru 14 were even looking QB? When the Giants took Jones, my first thought was "There is an outside shot that the Bengals may look at Haskins, but if Cincy does not take him, he is Washington bound".



In truth, you could say the Giants passed on him. But look around the Interwebs today......Giants are getting persecuted for 'the reach' for Jones. Washington getting the praise for a solid first round.[/QUOTE]


Cards, Giants, Bengals, Dolphins



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Ruhskins 04-26-2019 01:31 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=Buffalo Bob;1222370]Listening to Colin Cowherd today he likes Haskins and thinks he could be a good NFL QB, then turns around and says he feels sorry for him ending up in DC. What will it take for the Redskins to get some respect back?[/quote]

It is easier to sell dysfunction. Even though there are FOs out there that are screwing up big time (see Cards, Giants), the Redskins are a low hanging fruit.

You win respect by winning though, so you won't see that narrative change until winning happens.

MTK 04-26-2019 01:31 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1222370]Listening to Colin Cowherd today he likes Haskins and thinks he could be a good NFL QB, then turns around and says he feels sorry for him ending up in DC. What will it take for the Redskins to get some respect back?[/QUOTE]



Winning games, consistent playoff appearances with some playoff wins

A good 3 year stretch would help a lot


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sandtrapjack 04-26-2019 01:41 PM

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[quote=MTK;1222372]Cards, Giants, Bengals, Dolphins



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Cards did not need a QB. They traded a couple of draft picks last year to move up for Rosen and he is still under his rookie deal. New coach wanted (did not need) Murray.

Giants...needed QB. They got Jones

Bengals....do not NEED a QB. Dalton is only 31. Never know, however, they might offer a third for Rosen?

Dolphins.....have made no attempt at disguising the fact that they are in full fledged "Tanking for Tua" mode and will go after Tua in next years draft.

MTK 04-26-2019 04:03 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=sandtrapjack;1222378]Cards did not need a QB. They traded a couple of draft picks last year to move up for Rosen and he is still under his rookie deal. New coach wanted (did not need) Murray.

Giants...needed QB. They got Jones

Bengals....do not NEED a QB. Dalton is only 31. Never know, however, they might offer a third for Rosen?

Dolphins.....have made no attempt at disguising the fact that they are in full fledged "Tanking for Tua" mode and will go after Tua in next years draft.[/quote]

You're making this way too hard for yourself. All 4 of those teams were potential landing spots for QBs. And needless to say the Cards even took a QB. My point remains if Haskins was some sort of slam dunk prospect he would have went much earlier.

Giantone 04-26-2019 04:04 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
Some thought on Haskins a while ago............


[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=64337&page=2[/url]

Giantone 04-26-2019 04:10 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=MTK;1222400]You're making this way too hard for yourself. All 4 of those teams were potential landing spots for QBs. And needless to say the Cards even took a QB. My point remains if Haskins was some sort of slam dunk prospect he would have went much earlier.[/quote]

I agree. Please understand not questioning ability here teams have "systems" and styles and certain QB's fit a certain style Haskins was never going to fit into Shurmur's system it was all so not a secrete that the Skins liked Jones so NY moved up ,no way he would have been there at #16 . I am fine with it and I think NY did well on it's other two first round picks. I think the Cards have screwed up ,the value for Rosen is falling .

BigHairedAristocrat 04-26-2019 04:13 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
So now that we know that Rosen is going to go to Miami for their 2nd round pick, we can discuss what we'd rather have had:

What we did: Haskins (15) and Sweat (26) with no 2nd rounder next year.

OR

What we could have done: Sweat (15), Rosen with our 2nd, and we keep our 2nd next year.


Personally, i'm happy with what we've done. The more I read about Rosen, the more I doubt he has the potential to be an elite QB. Haskins could be a bust, but i could also see him developing into an elite QB. Rosen would condemn us to continued mediocrity. To me, the chance of having a true franchise QB is worth the added cost of our 2020 2nd rounder.

BigHairedAristocrat 04-26-2019 04:19 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=Buffalo Bob;1222370]Listening to Colin Cowherd today he likes Haskins and thinks he could be a good NFL QB, then turns around and says he feels sorry for him ending up in DC. What will it take for the Redskins to get some respect back?[/quote]

Respect is earned over time. The team has been a constant circus for 20 years. The redskins have worked very hard to build up their reputation of being dysfunctional. The first round of one draft that appears to be good during the moment doesn't - and shouldn't - change that.

And lets not forget - 7 years ago we drafted a first round QB who was going to save the franchise and Snyder ruined it by meddling and empowering him to be a diva. Haskins is a local kid who went to the same school as Snyder's son and Snyder reportedly was the driving force behind our drafting him.

Do you think Snyder is more or less likely to meddle with Haskins than he did with RG3?

If Snyder doesn't stay of the way, this situation could very quickly turn toxic.

Giantone 04-26-2019 04:24 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1222404]Respect is earned over time. The team has been a constant circus for 20 years. The redskins have worked very hard to build up their reputation of being dysfunctional. The first round of one draft that appears to be good during the moment doesn't - and shouldn't - change that.

And lets not forget - 7 years ago we drafted a first round QB who was going to save the franchise and Snyder ruined it by meddling and empowering him to be a diva. Haskins is a local kid who went to the same school as Snyder's son and Snyder reportedly was the driving force behind our drafting him.

Do you think Snyder is more or less likely to meddle with Haskins than he did with RG3?

If Snyder doesn't stay of the way, this situation could very quickly turn toxic.[/quote]
..........add in the possibility if you get a "new HC next year"?

Ruhskins 04-26-2019 04:27 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1222404]Respect is earned over time. The team has been a constant circus for 20 years. The redskins have worked very hard to build up their reputation of being dysfunctional. The first round of one draft that appears to be good during the moment doesn't - and shouldn't - change that.

And lets not forget - 7 years ago we drafted a first round QB who was going to save the franchise and Snyder ruined it by meddling and empowering him to be a diva. Haskins is a local kid who went to the same school as Snyder's son and Snyder reportedly was the driving force behind our drafting him.

Do you think Snyder is more or less likely to meddle with Haskins than he did with RG3?

If Snyder doesn't stay of the way, this situation could very quickly turn toxic.[/quote]

I feel that there has to be someone in the FO that did a good job at reaching a compromise on what Dan/Bruce/Doug wanted vs. what Jay and the coaching staff wanted (maybe Kyle Smith). I think the old dysfunctional Redskins would not have been patient with Haskins, baited the Giants into reaching for Jones, and traded back into the first round for Sweat.

Giantone 04-26-2019 04:41 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=sandtrapjack;1222369]How many teams picking 1 thru 14 were even looking QB? When the Giants took Jones, my first thought was "There is an outside shot that the Bengals may look at Haskins, but if Cincy does not take him, he is Washington bound".

In truth, you could say the Giants passed on him. But look around the Interwebs today......Giants are getting persecuted for 'the reach' for Jones. Washington getting the praise for a solid first round.[/quote]

/www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=59&v=26c1yV-iWVQ

Burgold 04-26-2019 04:59 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1222089]QB1[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190426/f33ab738309f77ab480daee5bfbc0a75.jpg[/IMG]

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/quote]Looking good,but I'm afraid he won't get no.7.

los panda 04-26-2019 05:05 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
I bet he'll ask Dougie for #17 and he'll get it. He'd look good with #1. Maybe #15 to help him remember.

Ohioskins 04-26-2019 05:15 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
As a Redskins fan since 1968 and a Columbus, Ohio resident since 1974 (and thereby an involuntary observer of all things Buckeyes since then), let me tell you that this is a tremendous pick at No. 15. Haskins has the potential to be one of the dominant QB's of the next 20 years in NFL. His mental skills are off the charts. He truly has a thunderbolt of an arm. But his lack of experience is his Achilles heal (along with the fact that the Skins barely have a single NFL caliber receiver on heir roster).

But Haskins needs to be developed slowly. Don't "throw him into the fire" and kill his incredible ability to read defenses and find the open receiver. Don't make him jumpy. Getting Haskins is a gift. He is without a doubt a potential all-pro QB. He should be worked into his roll along with the team committing to use their first round pick next year on a WR and go get another one in UFA. Give him the weapons and this kid can take the Skins back to the top. I have seen him make so many unbelievable plays at OSU. And he is so smart. Damn this is our chance to start the climb back to respectability if we do not screw him up.

Ohioskins 04-26-2019 05:17 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
By the way, the kid will not worry about his jersey number. He is very mature.

skinsfaninok 04-26-2019 05:36 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[QUOTE=Burgold;1222413]Looking good,but I'm afraid he won't get no.7.[/QUOTE]Joe tweeted "welcome from one #7 to the other " so I think he's staying #7

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sandtrapjack 04-26-2019 06:44 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=MTK;1222400]You're making this way too hard for yourself. All 4 of those teams were potential landing spots for QBs. And needless to say the Cards even took a QB. My point remains if Haskins was some sort of slam dunk prospect he would have went much earlier.[/quote]

Maybe....and we are going to agree to disagree.

But if a poll were taken today, it would reflect that other than NYG, there was only one other team with a glaring need at QB. And that team is Washington.

sandtrapjack 04-26-2019 06:49 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=Giantone;1222410]/www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=59&v=26c1yV-iWVQ[/quote]

Was not an indictment of the pick. My point was simply the reaction out there the morning after the first round. Cannot argue that the Giants are defending their pick and Washington is being applauded for theirs.

los panda 04-26-2019 06:53 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
Can we get an Eagles fan up in here?

MTK 04-26-2019 07:50 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1222440]Maybe....and we are going to agree to disagree.



But if a poll were taken today, it would reflect that other than NYG, there was only one other team with a glaring need at QB. And that team is Washington.[/QUOTE]


I’m not talking glaring needs I was talking about teams that were considered possible landing spots for QBs ahead of Washington. Cardinals, Giants, Broncos, Bengals, Dolphins.



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NC_Skins 04-26-2019 09:23 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[B]@kevinsheehanDC

Building was split. Snyder wanted an organizational/roster jolt. Bruce liked him too. Others, not so much at 15. Haskins won't sell many tickets but there will be intrigue to see if he can play. Could prove to be Dan & Bruce's finest moment but I'm not betting on it. #Redskins[/B]

MTK 04-26-2019 09:36 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
Won’t sell many tickets... like Case/Colt would? Kevin is underselling Haskins a bit.


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Giantone 04-26-2019 09:44 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=sandtrapjack;1222441]Was not an indictment of the pick. My point was simply the reaction out there the morning after the first round. Cannot argue that the Giants are defending their pick and Washington is being applauded for theirs.[/quote]

No, the Giants are fine.It's fans that have a problem the Giants don't have to defend a thing.

Giantone 04-26-2019 09:44 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[quote=MTK;1222474]Won’t sell many tickets... like Case/Colt would? Kevin is underselling Haskins a bit.


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speaking of selling...............


[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/26/dwayne-haskins-redskins-first-round-draft-party-marketing-company-brand[/url]

Ruhskins 04-26-2019 10:10 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1222465][B]@kevinsheehanDC



Building was split. Snyder wanted an organizational/roster jolt. Bruce liked him too. Others, not so much at 15. Haskins won't sell many tickets but there will be intrigue to see if he can play. Could prove to be Dan & Bruce's finest moment but I'm not betting on it. #Redskins[/B][/QUOTE]Redskins could have gotten Haskins in the 3rd round and Sheehan would still be complaining.

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los panda 04-26-2019 10:20 PM

Re: Dwayne Haskins
 
That was for you, Bud, reaching at 76 to give you a pal.


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