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Funny heading into this game most thought the D would come out strong and the O would struggle. After sleeping on it I think there was a lot to like from the offense. Pass pro was generally pretty solid. We could have a nice group of young WRs. Keenum played much better than I thought he would and looks like a poor man's Cousins. That deep ball miss to McLaurin was tough though, could have been a game changer.

Not much to like on D but it's definitely worth pointing out what Cole Holcomb did. Kid looked like a baller.

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[quote=MTK;1229397]Funny heading into this game most thought the D would come out strong and the O would struggle. After sleeping on it I think there was a lot to like from the offense. Pass pro was generally pretty solid. We could have a nice group of young WRs. Keenum played much better than I thought he would and looks like a poor man's Cousins. That deep ball miss to McLaurin was tough though, could have been a game changer.

[B]Not much to like on D but it's definitely worth pointing out what Cole Holcomb did. Kid looked like a baller.[/B][/quote]

Yeah, he looks like a keeper. I like our ILBs. I think with a better coordinator and one more solid depth guy at DL, our front 7 can be pretty damn good.

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In terms of those complaining about Moses and his penalty- generating antics; or whatever is going on with TW - I foresee the 2020 draft, with a new HC, going toward the Redskins OL reboot. The team has done a fine job of rebuilding the DL (if they were just coached better by the DC) through the draft and they can and will do the same job next season.

THIS season I just want to see the youth movement play and do well. Replace Richardson with Steve Sims. I’m counting the losses until Haskins comes in to replace Keenum.

The only reason I don’t want Gruden fired mid-season is because it feeds into the press narrative that Dan Snyder is a “loose cannon” owner. Yes, Snyder is a very poor owner but anything to help make the Redskins look less amateurish, may help us get some quality coaches at HC and DC.


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[quote=Warthog;1229404]In terms of those complaining about Moses and his penalty- generating antics; or whatever is going on with TW - I foresee the 2020 draft, with a new HC, going toward the Redskins OL reboot. The team has done a fine job of rebuilding the DL (if they were just coached better by the DC) through the draft and they can and will do the same job next season.

THIS season I just want to see the youth movement play and do well. Replace Richardson with Steve Sims. I’m counting the losses until Haskins comes in to replace Keenum.

The only reason I don’t want Gruden fired mid-season is because it feeds into the press narrative that Dan Snyder is a “loose cannon” owner. Yes, Snyder is a very poor owner but anything to help make the Redskins look less amateurish, may help us get some quality coaches at HC and DC.


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After 6 years of Gruden they can’t say he’s a loose cannon

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As always, Keim is the voice of reason:

[URL="https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1171142965852606465"]@john_keim[/URL]
There are 15 more games people. Pace yourselves.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1229407]As always, Keim is the voice of reason:

[URL="https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1171142965852606465"]@john_keim[/URL]
There are 15 more games people. Pace yourselves.[/quote]

The most ridiculous overreactions definitely come after week 1. Everyone either thinks their team is going 16-0 or 0-16.

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[quote=MTK;1229410]The most ridiculous overreactions definitely come after week 1. Everyone either thinks their team is going 16-0 or 0-16.[/quote]

For patriots and Dolphins fans, they might be right.

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Like some of you said, I was ready not to care this season, and then they go up 17 on philly on the road. So I start to care again. And they promptly shit the bed. My fault for caring. Amazing that they can still get me to do that. Fuckers.

Manusky is crap. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ryan in charge in a few weeks.

As for the O, the penalties were brutal in the second half. They just can't expect Case to get them out of that. And then Case missed the open bomb. To Jay's credit, he called that and it hit perfectly... except the QB fucking missed it. Not sure we win with the D fully disappearing at that point, but at least it's a game. Instead, more of our MVP Tress Way.

And now Allen is hurt and Guice is too (WT actual F?). So, we're without Trent, Reed, Allen, Guice. And it's week fucking 2. How does this team manage to pisse me off so much??? Wow. And are we going to beat the cowboys, the only thing that really matters, given our lowly state? No, we are not. Fuck these fucking fuckers.

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We're not beating Dallas. They looked like a complete team yesterday. We looked like a team that has a lot of holes.

But what's inexcusable was the two bombs to Jackson. You simply can not let him get behind the defense, yet it happened TWICE. Then add in the 3rd and long conversations. Fair or not that reflects poorly on Manusky.

We need to do whatever it takes to get Greg Williams back in here. These guys on d just don't respond to these coaches. He gets instant results wherever he goes.

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I have never been sold on guice. I was hopeful until he was injured last pre seaso. From there, I've never felt fully confident he wasnt going to be someone who isn't just consummately injured.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1229410]The most ridiculous overreactions definitely come after week 1. Everyone either thinks their team is going 16-0 or 0-16.[/QUOTE]



No. We saw a chronic problem show itself yesterday that we’ve seen since the beginning of Gruden’s tenure. A complete second half collapse.

It tells us that Gruden and Gruden’s coaching hasn’t changed.


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[quote=Ruhskins;1229407]As always, Keim is the voice of reason:

[URL="https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1171142965852606465"]@john_keim[/URL]
There are 15 more games people. Pace yourselves.[/quote]

I counted 7 wins before the season and I still see 7 wins. My hopes are not dashed.

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It's becoming cliché but the NFL is such a week to week league.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1229421]We're not beating Dallas. They looked like a complete team yesterday. We looked like a team that has a lot of holes.

But what's inexcusable was the two bombs to Jackson. You simply can not let him get behind the defense, yet it happened TWICE. Then add in the 3rd and long conversations. Fair or not that reflects poorly on Manusky.

We need to do whatever it takes to get Greg Williams back in here. These guys on d just don't respond to these coaches. He gets instant results wherever he goes.[/quote]

Is Dallas that good or are the Giants that bad?

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[quote=metalskins;1229429]Is Dallas that good or are the Giants that bad?[/quote]

Probably both. Plus it's just one game.

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[quote=MTK;1229427]It's becoming cliché but the NFL is such a week to week league.[/quote]

I've been saying this for several years. Although, I've recently lost faith in Gruden (never much had it for Manusky), there is still a chance this team can compete every week and find their way in wild card discussion late in the season.

The talent, albeit young, is there. We might be in for a shootout on Sunday.

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[quote=MTK;1229430]Probably both. Plus it's just one game.[/quote]

MTK being the voice of reason. :biggthump

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Anyone notice another questionable coverage on one of Jeffrey's TD's? He had Bostic trying to cover him. Why? A LB on a wr can not be the correct coverage.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1229439]Anyone notice another questionable coverage on one of Jeffrey's TD's? He had Bostic trying to cover him. Why? A LB on a wr can not be the correct coverage.[/quote]

I believe Nicholson blew the coverage.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1229439]Anyone notice another questionable coverage on one of Jeffrey's TD's? He had Bostic trying to cover him. Why? A LB on a wr can not be the correct coverage.[/quote]

Was that man coverage though? Either way he was right there. If his hand was 2 inches lower that ball is batted away.

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It is hard to base anything on one week, but is it possible that the offense is actually going to have to carry this team to wins, rather than the other way around, as most expected?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1229439]Anyone notice another questionable coverage on one of Jeffrey's TD's? He had Bostic trying to cover him. Why? A LB on a wr can not be the correct coverage.[/quote]

Bostic was right there. If he gets his head around, then he likely knocks the ball down.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1229443]It is hard to base anything on one week, but is it possible that the offense is actually going to have to carry this team to wins, rather than the other way around, as most expected?[/QUOTE]



Even though the defense has talent, without Allen and with Greg Manusky’s coaching they are not going to be as good as many expected.

On the offensive side, our new WR are legit. They are going to be fun to watch. Unfortunately Case does not have the talent to get the ball to them every time they are open. That missed pass to a wide open McLaurin was a 7 point mistake, right when we desperately needed it.

This team needs new coaches and some OL talent to really improve. But we have some new rookies that are going to make some plays.


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Looking thru the grades from PFF on the first game

Well just highlight a couple things:

Landon Collins was terrible in coverage.

Jimmy Moreland, Matty I, Jon Bostic, Ryan Anderson were terrible in Run Defense. For Bostic that's especially terrible.

Tim Settle, Monty graded well. Payne and Norman solid.

The Interior Oline graded well. Flowers was solid.

Moses graded out terrible. Penn graded out as our best Run Blocking Olineman, but not good pass blocking.

Vernon Davis continues to give us nothing run blocking. Sprinkle graded well.

Terry McL graded well, highest grade on Offense. Guice graded second highest. Solid grades for Harmon and CT.

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The bad:
- Blown opportunity.
- Penalties. I swear I don't understand holding anymore.
- Not making plays to finish, close doesn't count. (pressures, coverage, tipped balls not intercepted, dropped balls when desperately needed, missed TDs )
- Running game. It went away.

The Good:
- Offense. Has a chance to make shit happen as they get to know each other.
- Recent draft picks. Scary Terry, Harmon, Holcomb, Quinn, Payne, Roullier. We just might have several really solid back end picks in the last couple of years.
- Team speed. The difference was noticeable
- Returns. Not a shit show for once. Actually looked like we might get a decent return now and then.

Overall. Game 1 against a really good team. Not good to give it away at all, but alot more to be happy about than I remember in recent years. Some shit looked flat good. I am going to reserve further judgement until week 8 when the league has developed its identity for the year.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1229541]Looking thru the grades from PFF on the first game



Well just highlight a couple things:



Landon Collins was terrible in coverage.



Jimmy Moreland, Matty I, Jon Bostic, Ryan Anderson were terrible in Run Defense. For Bostic that's especially terrible.



Tim Settle, Monty graded well. Payne and Norman solid.



The Interior Oline graded well. Flowers was solid.



Moses graded out terrible. Penn graded out as our best Run Blocking Olineman, but not good pass blocking.



Vernon Davis continues to give us nothing run blocking. Sprinkle graded well.



Terry McL graded well, highest grade on Offense. Guice graded second highest. Solid grades for Harmon and CT.[/QUOTE]



How did they grade Trey Quinn? How about Richardson? McLaurin is going to be our bust out player this season.


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Quinn and P Rich were meh..average

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I want to see more of Sims and Harmon. Put Harmon at the X, Mclaurin as the Z and Sims in the slot.

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[quote=Chico23231;1229552]Quinn and P Rich were meh..average[/quote]

They were fine. Quinn scored a late TD, and PRich made a ridiculous catch that should have been a TD, but he had stepped out of bound.

Honestly, aside from the lack of running plays, I thought the offense was fine. If they can get the run going, with this passing output, I think this offense can do a hell of a lot more than expected.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1229564]They were fine. Quinn scored a late TD, and PRich made a ridiculous catch that should have been a TD, but he had stepped out of bound.



Honestly, aside from the lack of running plays, I thought the offense was fine. If they can get the run going, with this passing output, I think this offense can do a hell of a lot more than expected.[/QUOTE]



Penalties need to be addressed too, but that would fall under discipline which would fall under coaching so.....

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How did the coaching grade out ...manusky gets a b in first half and f in second. Total collapse.. Gruden looked competent first half and as soon as things started going wrong he looked lost..?i understand the players have to execute but it’s on the coaches to get them prepared ..how good would the redskins be if New England’s staff took over..

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[quote=Chico23231;1229541]Looking thru the grades from PFF on the first game

Well just highlight a couple things:

[B]Landon Collins was terrible in coverage.[/B]

Jimmy Moreland, [B]Matty I[/B], [B]Jon Bostic, Ryan Anderson[/B] were terrible in Run Defense. For Bostic that's especially terrible.

Tim Settle, Monty graded well. Payne and Norman solid.

The Interior Oline graded well. Flowers was solid.

Moses graded out terrible. Penn graded out as our best Run Blocking Olineman, but not good pass blocking.

Vernon Davis continues to give us nothing run blocking. Sprinkle graded well.

Terry McL graded well, highest grade on Offense. Guice graded second highest. Solid grades for Harmon and CT.[/quote]

Very depressing. Not worried about Matty, but the rest are very concerning.

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I guess the experiment with Flowers isn't disaster so far

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/ereck-flowers-made-serious-strides-his-left-guard-debut-according-jay-gruden[/url]

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In the second half, it seemed like Wentz had all day to throw the ball. Part of that was due to holding penalties that were never called. Hell, on one play they literally tackled a pursuer right before they got to Wenz.

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[quote=rickmmrr;1229626]In the second half, it seemed like Wentz had all day to throw the ball. Part of that was due to holding penalties that were never called. Hell, on one play they literally tackled a pursuer right before they got to Wenz.[/quote]

The second half stats for Wentz on 3rd down was something absolutely insane...I want to say it something like 8-10 198 and 2 TD.

Manusky same issues as before...cant get off the field on 3rd downs.

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[quote=GridIron26;1229617]I guess the experiment with Flowers isn't disaster so far

[URL]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/ereck-flowers-made-serious-strides-his-left-guard-debut-according-jay-gruden[/URL][/quote]

Just one game but so far so good. Dare I say he was kind of a beast at times

[URL]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/9/11/20860552/ereck-flowers-debut-at-left-guard-for-the-redskins-was-outstanding[/URL]

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[quote=rickmmrr;1229626]In the second half, it seemed like Wentz had all day to throw the ball. Part of that was due to holding penalties that were never called. Hell, on one play they literally tackled a pursuer right before they got to Wenz.[/quote]

They didn't call a single fucking penalty on Philly until they had the lead. Then threw a bunch of late garbage time flags to try to make the penalties look remotely even. Fucking scam. It's also a league wide rule that whoever is playing the Redskins shall never be called for an offensive hold. Everything up to and including tackling and chokeholds are all acceptable.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1229643]They didn't call a single fucking penalty on Philly until they had the lead. Then threw a bunch of late garbage time flags to try to make the penalties look remotely even. Fucking scam. It's also a league wide rule that whoever is playing the Redskins shall never be called for an offensive hold. Everything up to and including tackling and chokeholds are all acceptable.[/quote]

pretty much every fuckin year -- to the damn T

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Now that Case has looked good...and Haskins played well enough. They should cut or look to move Colt when healthy. Jags

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1229643]They didn't call a single fucking penalty on Philly until they had the lead. Then threw a bunch of late garbage time flags to try to make the penalties look remotely even. Fucking scam. It's also a league wide rule that whoever is playing the Redskins shall never be called for an offensive hold. Everything up to and including tackling and chokeholds are all acceptable.[/quote]

yeah I noticed that things have not changed and they wont until the team changes its name, the league wants them too but they know Dan will stick to his guns because his pride is more important than winning as we have all seen for years