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There's so many scenario's to consider for an actual mock.

Three things that keep running through my head about the upcoming draft is that:

1) We shouldn't waste our 1st pick on a QB. I think about how many successful QB's have come in the 1st round vs. the amount that have came in later rounds. If it is not "our guy", don't select him. With this pick (if we don't trade it) we need to select the best player available.

2) Do we need to draft a QB? Jack Fromm (Georgia) was drafted by the Bills and is currently on their practice squad. Josh Allen's success may have dropped the Bills value on Fromm, and should be available for a low-cost trade.

3) Trade back our 1st and make as many O-line, TE, and WR selections we can. The defense will be lit next year with Landon coming back. Even if we trade him, I'm fine with sticking with Curl. We need to shore-up the O-line, or nobody that we sign or draft will stand a chance.

-Mike-

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My thoughts are this about drafting QB's. Not one Ohio State QB ever drafted has done well in NFL. Heisman Trophy winners mostly are busts, there are a few exceptions...
Wilson will be gone by the time we pick and most likely Jones as well. If we really want to draft a QB we are going to have to trade up for him

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Despite the fact we need a QB badly, we should not force ourselves to draft a QB with our #1 pick (or trade up unless it's a good deal). We have multiple needs all over the team, so we need to go BPA in the draft. It is better to build a good team and need a QB, than risk our picks (forced draft or trade up) on QBs that might or might not become a franchise QB and be stuck with multiple needs for the next few years.

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[quote=hagams;1270834]There's so many scenario's to consider for an actual mock.

Three things that keep running through my head about the upcoming draft is that:

1) We shouldn't waste our 1st pick on a QB. I think about how many successful QB's have come in the 1st round vs. the amount that have came in later rounds. If it is not "our guy", don't select him. With this pick (if we don't trade it) we need to select the best player available.

2) Do we need to draft a QB? Jack Fromm (Georgia) was drafted by the Bills and is currently on their practice squad. Josh Allen's success may have dropped the Bills value on Fromm, and should be available for a low-cost trade.

3) Trade back our 1st and make as many O-line, TE, and WR selections we can. The defense will be lit next year with Landon coming back. Even if we trade him, I'm fine with sticking with Curl. We need to shore-up the O-line, or nobody that we sign or draft will stand a chance.

-Mike-[/quote]

If you wanted Fromm, why not just sign him off their practice squad to the 53 man roster for week 17? Isn't that how that works, or am I misunderstanding?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1270890]If you wanted Fromm, why not just sign him off their practice squad to the 53 man roster for week 17? Isn't that how that works, or am I misunderstanding?[/quote]

teams can now protect 4-5 PS players. not 100% sure as I didnt google it to verify

edit -- you can protect 4 players. Fromm is on the Bills active squad as QB3. I looked this up a few weeks ago .. id say 75% of the teams now go with 3 active QBs vs 10 plus years ago very few did. The clear trend is carrying 3 and it makes sense. Perhaps the new PS protections will allow teams to put the QB3 on the PS vs active roster. Well see.

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Here's a thought. If the 9ers do draft QB in rd1 they will surely be looking to trade or release Garoppolo. If he's let go, would he fit here as QB1 with AS as backup next year, then draft QB in 2022?

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Garoppolo isn't very good IMO

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Trade preference = Stafford
FA preference = Fitzmagic
Draft preference = Won't be anyone I'd want at 19. Go BPA. Bring back Alex and Heinicke/Allen. If someone is drafted later in the draft, only keep 1 of Heinicke/Allen

Note - I don't know what to make of Mac Jones and Trask. I wouldn't get upset if we picked either of them at 19, but it will probably be forced, with a lot better players still available.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1270918]Trade preference = Stafford
FA preference = Fitzmagic
Draft preference = Won't be anyone I'd want at 19. Go BPA. Bring back Alex and Heinicke/Allen. If someone is drafted later in the draft, only keep 1 of Heinicke/Allen

Note - I don't know what to make of Mac Jones and Trask. I wouldn't get upset if we picked either of them at 19, but it will probably be forced, with a lot better players still available.[/quote]

Isnt Stafford a free agent??

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Of course it all revolves around ALEX. Earlier in the year I was good with him coming back next year as the starter, because the team seemed to turn the corner when he took the reins. However, as the season progressed, even though he gave this team the best chance to win, he regressed. I am now of the opinion that you can't count on him to be the starter next year (although I'm no doctor and maybe he'll be just fine), and for me, if you can't count on him to be the starter because of health, that means I don't want him as the backup either.

Of the available FAs, I'm mostly intrigued by Fitzmagic or Tyrod Taylor. I personally would lean towards Tyrod because of his dual threat capability, he's six years younger, and he has less wear and tear. He's had an interesting career, and his numbers look decent overall. He entered the league as Flacco's backup for four years, then went to be the starter at Buffalo for three. They were 3rd, 3rd, and 2nd in that division owned by the Patriots, and their defense was nothing like what we will likely have here next year. He never had a chance in Cleveland as they drafted Baker. He never had a chance in LA as they had Rivers, then drafted Herbert. He would be an immediate upgrade to the QB room (as would a lot of guys).

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1270919]Isnt Stafford a free agent??[/quote]

No, not the FA list I saw. Think because of new GM and/or HC there is some chatter about him possibly being available in a trade. Think he has a year or 2 left on his contract.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1270919]Isnt Stafford a free agent??[/quote]

Not until 2023.

Looks like he's due 33 Mil next year, and 26 Mil the following year...

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I have no idea what the Skins should do here ... but ... I'd rather use the room in our salary cap over the next couple of years keeping our D-Line as in tact as we can, as those rookie contracts expire.

Which means finding your QB in the draft. Having them learn from Alex Smith? That's pretty ideal too.

I like the ND State kid for upside. Athletic enough to pass and run. No INT's in a season? That's hard to do at any level. Will he be around though? Probably not.

I like Mac Jones from Bama.

Beyond these two, nothing really excites me of the upper tier college QBs.

Could we find a Russell Wilson later on? Maybe ... but it's hard to count on that.


I think we have found our main TE in Logan Thomas. I wouldn't spend early draft picks on that position, focusing instead on LB, CB, QB, OLine, and WR.

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2021 FA WR Ranks
1- Chris Godwin
2- Allen Robinson
3- JuJu
4- Golladay
5- Will Fuller
6- Corey Davis
7- Curtis Samuel
8- Marvin Jones
9- TY Hilton
10- Sammy Watkins
11- Rashard Higgins
12- AJ Green
13- Alex Erickson
14- Josh Reynolds
15- Perriman
16- Kendrick Bourne
17- Agholor

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Of course it all revolves around ALEX. Earlier in the year I was good with him coming back next year as the starter, because the team seemed to turn the corner when he took the reins. However, as the season progressed, even though he gave this team the best chance to win, he regressed. I am now of the opinion that you can't count on him to be the starter next year (although I'm no doctor and maybe he'll be just fine), and for me, if you can't count on him to be the starter because of health, that means I don't want him as the backup either.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270940]2021 FA WR Ranks
1- Chris Godwin
2- Allen Robinson
3- JuJu
4- Golladay
5- Will Fuller
6- Corey Davis
7- Curtis Samuel
8- Marvin Jones
9- TY Hilton
10- Sammy Watkins
11- Rashard Higgins
12- AJ Green
13- Alex Erickson
14- Josh Reynolds
15- Perriman
16- Kendrick Bourne
17- Agholor[/quote]

Curtis Samuel

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270940]2021 FA WR Ranks
1- Chris Godwin
2- Allen Robinson
3- JuJu
4- Golladay
5- Will Fuller
6- Corey Davis
7- Curtis Samuel
8- Marvin Jones
9- TY Hilton
10- Sammy Watkins
11- Rashard Higgins
12- AJ Green
13- Alex Erickson
14- Josh Reynolds
15- Perriman
16- Kendrick Bourne
17- Agholor[/quote]

For me it's

Tier 1
1. Allen Robinson
2. Corey Davis
3. Chris Godwin

Tier 2
4. Will Fuller
5. Kenny Golladay
6. Curtis Samuel

Otherwise I'm out.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1270946]For me it's

Tier 1
1. Allen Robinson
2. Corey Davis
3. Chris Godwin

Tier 2
4. Will Fuller
5. Kenny Golladay
6. Curtis Samuel

Otherwise I'm out.[/quote]

I'd switch Davis with Golladay, otherwise I agree with this.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1270946]For me it's

Tier 1
1. Allen Robinson
2. Corey Davis
3. Chris Godwin

Tier 2
4. Will Fuller
5. Kenny Golladay
6. Curtis Samuel

Otherwise I'm out.[/quote]

If we spend big money, then Allen Robinson would be my choice.

Godwin, golladay are mostly slot guys, I’m not paying big money to them.

Fuller injury history and now steroid suspension makes him absolutely untouchable.

Corey Davis is meh to me, I wouldn’t give him big money.

Samual is a guy who we saw just last week playing all over the field and making big plays. He can play inside and out, plus he is fast. He will be much more affordable than the guys above him

Marvin Jones wouldn’t be a bad singing either. He will be affordable. You probably could sign Samuel and Jones for what you pay Robinson

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[quote=Chico23231;1270951]If we spend big money, then Allen Robinson would be my choice.

Godwin, golladay are mostly slot guys, I’m not paying big money to them.

[B]Fuller injury history and now steroid suspension makes him absolutely untouchable[/B].

Corey Davis is meh to me, I wouldn’t give him big money.

Samual is a guy who we saw just last week playing all over the field and making big plays. He can play inside and out, plus he is fast. He will be much more affordable than the guys above him

Marvin Jones wouldn’t be a bad singing either. He will be affordable. You probably could sign Samuel and Jones for what you pay Robinson[/quote]

Yep, forgot about that. I'm striking him from my list.

Tier 1
1. Allen Robinson - 1,213 yds / 6 TDs
2. Corey Davis - 945 yds/ 5 TDs (with AJ Brown on the other side)
3. Chris Godwin - 707 yds / 5 TDs

Tier 2
4. Kenny Golladay - 338 yds / 2 TDs (injured)
5. Curtis Samuel - 733 yards / 3 TDs

I would definitely go after one of these dudes. Kelvin Harmon is still in the mix, AAG, Cam Sims...draft a WR + McLaurin - could be a strong WR group next year if you do.

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Allen Robinson impressed me this season. He wound up on my fantasy team, and no matter what the nagging injury was, this dude showed up and played ... and played well. And that's with up-and-down QB play in Chitown too.

Having him opposite Terry would be very nice.

But ...

I bet Samuel gets a long look. I assume he has history with Rivera and Turner. His versatility would add to the offensive dimensions that Gibson, McKissic, and Logan Thomas have all shown this year.

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I would be thrilled if we got Samuel, assuming the price is right. He's young, solid and dependable. Def a fan of that idea more than going after a guy like Allen Robinson. No high priced free agents. We got plenty of our own guys that deserve long term deals.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1270968][B]Allen Robinson impressed me this season. [/B]He wound up on my fantasy team, and no matter what the nagging injury was, this dude showed up and played ... and played well. And that's with up-and-down QB play in Chitown too.

Having him opposite Terry would be very nice.

But ...

I bet Samuel gets a long look. I assume he has history with Rivera and Turner. His versatility would add to the offensive dimensions that Gibson, McKissic, and Logan Thomas have all shown this year.[/quote]

I think he's a perfect fit with Terry. He is #1 on my FA dream list. He is under-appreciated.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1270922]Not until 2023.

Looks like he's due 33 Mil next year, and 26 Mil the following year...[/quote]

Well it comes down to this for me, do you think he is as good as Tannehill. Same age as him. That's my bar for signing a FA QB and in my opinion if Stafford was starting here for 16 games we would be 11-4 right now. His injury history is the only thing that would worry me, and you can draft a QB in the middle rounds while he is on that 2 year deal

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Well with this QB carousel we had this year, the team is only 10 points away from being a 10 win team. I don't think you need to add a massive contract and give away players / picks to get someone that will be a significant upgrade.

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One option I would explore is taking a look at CJ Beathard as a stop gap, if we have to draft in the 19th and up positions. He was a 3rd round pick by boy genius Shanarat and has gotten better over the years. He will be a FA this offseason, we can draft someone like Trask or Jones in the 2nd round and give him a year to develop.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1270989]One option I would explore is taking a look at CJ Beathard as a stop gap, if we have to draft in the 19th and up positions. He was a 3rd round pick by boy genius Shanarat and has gotten better over the years. He will be a FA this offseason, we can draft someone like [B]Trask or Jones[/B] in the 2nd round and give him a year to develop.[/quote]

Very interested to see how high both of these guys go. I feel like 19 is too high for either but also wouldn't be upset with either at 19 if we picked them.

I don't think either one will be around at our pick in the 2nd round.

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Here's a list of 2021 QB prospects per Jordan Reid. Some interesting prospects:

[url]https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings[/url]

In the Pos+ select QB to see only the QB's

Desmond Ridder could be an intriguing option that's growing on me, here are a couple of articles on him. We can watch him action on the Peach Bowl this Friday.

[url]https://nflmocks.com/2020/12/20/2021-nfl-draft-desmond-ridder-sneaky/[/url]

[url]https://www.cover1.net/2021-nfl-draft-cincinnati-qb-desmond-ridder-looks-the-part/[/url]

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19: R1 P19*QB Kyle Trask - Florida
51: R2 P19*TE Pat Freiermuth - Penn State
78: R3 P14*WR Terrace Marshall Jr. - LSU
82: R3 P18*S Paris Ford - Pittsburgh
121: R4 P19*OT Dillon Radunz - North Dakota State
160: R5 P19*G Tommy Kraemer - Notre Dame
238: R7 P16*CB Myles Jones - Texas A&M
241: R7 P19*LB Paddy Fisher - Northwestern

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19: R1 P19*OT Rashawn Slater - Northwestern
51: R2 P19*QB Desmond Ridder - Cinicinnati
78: R3 P14*LB Dylan Moses - Alabama
82: R3 P18*TE Brevin Jordan - Miami
121: R4 P19*WR Damonte Coxie - Memphis
160: R5 P19*G Jack Anderson - Texas Tech
238: R7 P16*CB Camryn Bynum - California
241: R7 P19*TE Cary Angeline - NC State

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Ridder looks like he'd make sense if he's there in the 2nd. Definitely a project not an immediate starter and watching some of that film he has flaws that need correcting. But he does seem to carry himself well and appears coachable (unlike DH). Personally I'd like to see him step into his throws more (too much weight on his back foot) and look off the S more; an NFL S isn't going to let him lock on to his #1 target too man times before picking him off. He would be a good fit running ZR plays with Gibson/McKissick. Reminds me of Cam.

But do we want to take a chance on a project again? I think we really need a guy that can step in as soon as (like Herbert) not a guy we have to coach up for 1-2 years.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1271044]Ridder looks like he'd make sense if he's there in the 2nd. Definitely a project not an immediate starter and watching some of that film he has flaws that need correcting. But he does seem to carry himself well and appears coachable (unlike DH). Personally I'd like to see him step into his throws more (too much weight on his back foot) and look off the S more; an NFL S isn't going to let him lock on to his #1 target too man times before picking him off. He would be a good fit running ZR plays with Gibson/McKissick. Reminds me of Cam.

But do we want to take a chance on a project again? I think we really need a guy that can step in as soon as (like Herbert) not a guy we have to coach up for 1-2 years.[/quote]

They're all projects, especially where this team will be picking. How long a project just depends on coaching, coachability, and work ethic. They're not going to get Lawrence or Fields, who might be the only two plug and play QBs coming out. Even that is not a sure thing.

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Hopefully we do the right thing at Qb..

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19: R1 P19*QB Mac Jones - Alabama
51: R2 P19*WR Rashod Bateman - Minnesota
78: R3 P14*S Paris Ford - Pittsburgh
82: R3 P18*LB Dylan Moses - Alabama
121: R4 P19*TE Charlie Kolar - Iowa State
160: R5 P19*OT Dillon Radunz - North Dakota State
238: R7 P16*CB Nate Hobbs - Illinois
241: R7 P19*G Kevin Jarvis - Michigan State

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1271083]19: R1 P19*QB Mac Jones - Alabama
51: R2 P19*WR Rashod Bateman - Minnesota
78: R3 P14*S Paris Ford - Pittsburgh
82: R3 P18*LB Dylan Moses - Alabama
121: R4 P19*TE Charlie Kolar - Iowa State
160: R5 P19*OT Dillon Radunz - North Dakota State
238: R7 P16*CB Nate Hobbs - Illinois
241: R7 P19*G Kevin Jarvis - Michigan State[/quote]


I like this one of your three the best. Mainly because I like Jones waaaaaay more that Trask, who looked absolutely awful against an ok Oklahoma defense. I'm not sure either are the answer, but finding an NFL QB isn't easy.

I also think we won't spend high draft pick capital on a TE, given just how good Logan Thomas has shown the last part of this year.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1271131]I like this one of your three the best. Mainly because I like Jones waaaaaay more that Trask, who looked absolutely awful against an ok Oklahoma defense. I'm not sure either are the answer, but finding an NFL QB isn't easy.

I also think we won't spend high draft pick capital on a TE, given just how good Logan Thomas has shown the last part of this year.[/quote]

Watch Desmond Ridder tomorrow in the Peach Bowl, if he does well his stock is gonna go up.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1271139]Watch Desmond Ridder tomorrow in the Peach Bowl, if he does well his stock is gonna go up.[/quote]

Yeah, these are big games for these guys. Kyle Trask laid an absolute egg, and basically got benched. That didn't help his stock any.

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I want some combination of OT, WR, TE, and LB in the first three rounds. This team is ready to roll now. Sign a veteran QB, don't depend on a 1st rounder. You can pick up another DB, more LBs, and a project QB in the later parts of the draft.

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Ridder looking pretty strong so far in Peach Bowl.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1271176]Ridder looking pretty strong so far in Peach Bowl.[/quote]

Really good. Reset his feet before throwing on a scramble. Resulted in an awesome touchdown.