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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274020]Well, just for fun - if you were to trade for Stafford, what would be your offer?[/quote]

Wouldn't give a first either but a 2nd/4th? Sure. Or a 2nd and a 3rd in 2022.

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We are going to use our first on a qb one way or another. In my opinion, getting Stafford is as sure a prospect as you could hope for with a first round pick. It seems penny wise and pound foolish to not use the first round pick on a qb who has at least 5 solid years left, when we have a d-line that has 3-4 years to stand fast. Use the first, get a qb who will lead the offense with confidence. Use FA to get a top WR, and the draft for MLB/OL

That would be my dream scenario

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I would 100 % give up the 19th pick for Stafford !! That buys us a chance next year to contend .. also to bring in a rookie at some point to learn under Stafford would work out .. ( no reason Stafford could not play another 5 years at high level ) .. how would things have worked out if we had traded that Haskins pick for Stafford?? With Him you know what you are getting .. as far as injuries well look what happened to Burrow..Stafford has been fairly healthy in his career . It buys us time while the window is open for a push .. we can shore up other needs with the rest of the draft and free agency ..

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274020]Well, just for fun - if you were to trade for Stafford, what would be your offer?[/quote]

probably the no. 19 overall if I had to ... i really want a Qb and I like Staffords game. (I know I just sd i wouldnt). Im just not sure Matt Stafford fits what RR/Turner look for in a QB to run their system anyway.

They targeted Kyle Allen and Taylor Heinike as their cheap versions of what they want. Mobile, will work from primary read to checkdown quickly, accurate within 15 yards. Basically ball control, quick short pass game = run game, no negative plays, 1st and 2nd down seem to try and set up a 3rd and short. Seems like every play was designed to get 5-10 yards with the hope a player can make some guys miss and add some YAC. We were a paper cut offense.

Stafford seems like a 90's early 2000s drop back pocket passer always looking and pressing for the long ball. Stafford doesnt consistently amass the stats he does year after year not being good at reading Ds and knowing when to take what the D gives and I like his game ... just not sure that fits what RR/Turner want to run. RR/Turner probably want a better version of Allen/Heinike.

Hypothetically -- RR probably wants his QB to turn down a 30 yard pass if the success rate is less than 50% and to take the checkdown 5-10 yarder with a 90% success rate. Stafford would take that 30 yarder all day.

Idk .. some many things will happen here soon. i imagine our 2021 starting Qb's name hasnt even been mentioned in these threads yet.

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[quote=SunnySide;1274034]probably the no. 19 overall if I had to ... i really want a Qb and I like Staffords game. (I know I just sd i wouldnt). Im just not sure Matt Stafford fits what RR/Turner look for in a QB to run their system anyway.

They targeted Kyle Allen and Taylor Heinike as their cheap versions of what they want. Mobile, will work from primary read to checkdown quickly, accurate within 15 yards. Basically ball control, quick short pass game = run game, no negative plays, 1st and 2nd down seem to try and set up a 3rd and short. Seems like every play was designed to get 5-10 yards with the hope a player can make some guys miss and add some YAC. We were a paper cut offense.

Stafford seems like a 90's early 2000s drop back pocket passer always looking and pressing for the long ball. Stafford doesnt consistently amass the stats he does year after year not being good at reading Ds and knowing when to take what the D gives and I like his game ... just not sure that fits what RR/Turner want to run. RR/Turner probably want a better version of Allen/Heinike.

Hypothetically -- RR probably wants his QB to turn down a 30 yard pass if the success rate is less than 50% and to take the checkdown 5-10 yarder with a 90% success rate. Stafford would take that 30 yarder all day.

Idk .. some many things will happen here soon. i imagine our 2021 starting Qb's name hasnt even been mentioned in these threads yet.[/quote]

Well to be fair, I think the game plan this year was mostly due to personnel. If they pick up a WR1 like Robinson to go opposite McLaurin, and another TE who can be a threat down the field and over the middle, you will probably see him run the offense he really wants to - a lot of motion, a strong inside running game, and looking to pass deep first, working the progressions back towards the line of scrimmage. We don't currently have the personnel to do that...but we could next year...

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Bro this ain’t madden lol, the Lions are not just letting a top 15 QB walk like that. It’ll cost a 2nd and probably 4 at the very minimum. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a 1 tho

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=rocnrik;1274033]I would 100 % give up the 19th pick for Stafford !! That buys us a chance next year to contend .. also to bring in a rookie at some point to learn under Stafford would work out .. ( no reason Stafford could not play another 5 years at high level ) .. how would things have worked out if we had traded that Haskins pick for Stafford?? With Him you know what you are getting .. as far as injuries well look what happened to Burrow..Stafford has been fairly healthy in his career . It buys us time while the window is open for a push .. we can shore up other needs with the rest of the draft and free agency ..[/QUOTE]


Yeah at age 32 he’s still got 3-4 great years left. Hell Matt Ryan is 36 and still playing very well. I’d even take him for 2 years

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274042]Bro this ain’t madden lol, the Lions are not just letting a top 15 QB walk like that. It’ll cost a 2nd and probably 4 at the very minimum. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a 1 tho[/quote]

All of y’all are smoking crack, the cheap kind, if you think the Lions would let Stafford go for anything less than a 1st. You aren’t going to get. Top tier QB at 19, and that is our biggest need, so you damn right I’d happily gift wrap and send #19 to Detroit for 5 solid years of top tier QB play. Sign me up. I’ll be the GM.

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Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

That is kind of crazy.

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Imagine what McLaurin can do if he plays with one good QB for the next few years. Also, it says alot about McLaurin's character, he never mentioned about having issues with playing multiple QBs, not even a subtle hint.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

If Alex retires, I'm starting to learn towards Stafford. At 32, we could get at least 5 good years from him and we're building to win pretty quickly since Ron arrived.

Watson's price will be high and he gets to decide where he's going, but if we can get him, I'd do it.

If we draft, I want Mac Jones.



Heinicke should be the backup in every scenario. I have a feeling Coach has a loyalty to Kyle Allen, but we saw what he could do. I'd bet on Heinicke after seeing both of them start.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274101]If Alex retires, I'm starting to learn towards Stafford. At 32, we could get at least 5 good years from him and we're building to win pretty quickly since Ron arrived.

Watson's price will be high and he gets to decide where he's going, but if we can get him, I'd do it.

If we draft, I want Mac Jones.



Heinicke should be the backup in every scenario. I have a feeling Coach has a loyalty to Kyle Allen, but we saw what he could do. I'd bet on Heinicke after seeing both of them start.[/quote]

I'd take Z Wilson and Trey Lance as well but you'd have to move up for those guys.

My #1 Is Stafford also tho

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I don't think Zach Wilson will be available at #19 but yes, I'd take him over Jones if miraculously still available.


My HELL NO list:

*Cam Newton at the top of the HELL NO list
*Dak Prescott, not because he's a Cowboy but because he's going to be a problem with contract talks like Cousins. He overvalues himself. He wants to be the top paid QB. Not worth it.
*Carson Wentz...NO NO NO NO NO.


Matt Ryan would be good for a WIN NOW run, but he's too old to consider in long-term plans. If he gets us to a Super Bowl, I won't complain, just plan for the future too.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=monkeydad;1274107]i don't think zach wilson will be available at #19 but yes, i'd take him over jones if miraculously still available.


My hell no list:

*cam newton at the top of the hell no list
*dak prescott, not because he's a cowboy but because he's going to be a problem with contract talks like cousins. He overvalues himself. He wants to be the top paid qb. Not worth it.
*carson wentz...no no no no no.


Matt ryan would be good for a win now run, but he's too old to consider in long-term plans. If he gets us to a super bowl, i won't complain, just plan for the future too.[/quote]

cam - nope
dak - dallas will keep him
wentz - nope

ryan - yes for 2 years

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Talk to Houston and get laughed off the line with anything short of half our draft. Love to see Watson in B&G but can't see it happening.

Stafford is almost certainly our #19 pick + more. Maybe we could swap picks for the rest of the deal(our 2nd for their 3rd etc.). But we can't give up too much draft capitol with so many holes.

I don't see enough college for a forthright opinion, but Lance seems too much of an unknown at this stage. Higher than 19th? better than Mac Jones?

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Watson - Full on boner. I'd gladly give half our draft for him (even the good half).

Stafford - Definite chub. I'd trade our 1st for him.

Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Lance, Jones - I'd be controlled excited, not falling in love with a rookie QB

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274169]Watson - Full on boner. I'd gladly give half our draft for him (even the good half).

Stafford - Definite chub. I'd trade our 1st for him.

Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Lance, Jones - I'd be controlled excited, not falling in love with a rookie QB[/quote]

Geez, and I take heat for saying we should lock up Logan Thomas.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274170]Geez, and I take heat for saying we should lock up Logan Thomas.[/quote]

Making the playoffs and having true potential to be a good team, has me ready to make a big move. We've been trying to wake-up from the QB nightmare for like 25 years, let's solve this fucking puzzle.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274175]Making the playoffs and having true potential to be a good team, has me ready to make a big move. We've been trying to wake-up from the QB nightmare for like 25 years, let's solve this fucking puzzle.[/quote]

Pretty much since Mark Rypien.


Here's your answer:

[url]https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/51525/brett-rypien[/url]

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In Ron we trust! I honestly think we have the right man at the helm heading into the off-season. Whatever decision Ron makes, I'm onboard. The Kool-aide is tasting good again!

Here's my take on our QB options:

Draft: Don't draft an early round QB. I don't think we will get who we want (or need) at 19, and I don't think moving up will prove to be worth it. We can get the best QB out of the draft, but would you trust them behind our patchwork O-line (granted, it came together as the season went on)? I would prefer to shore up our line via the first few rounds of the draft, and find an answer at QB. I'm cautious about taking a QB early, especially considering recent 1st round QB's:
[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832691-ranking-each-quarterback-selected-in-1st-round-of-nfl-draft-in-the-last-decade[/url]

Trade options: Since everyone has already touched on trading for Ryan, Stafford, and Watson, I'll leave them alone. I mentioned it in another thread, but the Bills still have Jake Fromm (Georgia) sitting on their practice squad. Now that Allen has exploded, they may devalue him. They picked him up in the 3rd round, so it should cost much to pull it off. Head into camp with Heinicke, Sweat, and Fromm. That's three hungry QB's, and we should be able to find our starter there. Maybe even keep Alex around as a mentor OR an assistant QB coach.

These are good times we are living in skin fans.

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^ I'd rather see Montez Sweat on defense.

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We are too far back to get one of the top guys. Idk about Fields. He is too boom or bust imo. One game he is clearly better than Lawrence, the next he looks like a mid round project. That is really going to a big risk taking him in the top 5. If he is there at 19 it's going to be a tough decision. Mac Jones is the NFL backup that can come in and hold the fort down but not a 16 game starter.

Like a lot have said Heinike comes back and I also bring back Allen. Alex retires. The Stafford talk I think is just that. I think he stays put simply cause their new coach will probably want to keep him. Just watching him against us he still is an elite thrower/passer. You give him a line and weapons and he can still put up 5,000 yards. Why would you trade him? Who is going to give up a ton for a QB in his 30's? Just don't see it.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274169]Watson - Full on boner. I'd gladly give half our draft for him (even the good half).

Stafford - Definite chub. I'd trade our 1st for him.

Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Lance, Jones - I'd be controlled excited, not falling in love with a rookie QB[/quote]

we would all love Watson but he isnt coming here. we don't have enough draft capital to trade for him.

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You need a guy that you can trust week in and week out to get the job done. Right now we don’t have that guy, TH had a great game but it’s one game. He’s 27 (28 this year) and hasn’t done anything until the Bucs game. That’s hard to roll with as QB1. Not to mention he got hurt diving for a Td.

Watson isn’t going to be traded unless it’s Miami, he said that’s where he wants to go (well his team said that)

Unless we trade for Stafford or some how sign Dak, it’s going to be a vet option like Mariota or Carr if he’s let go.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1274189]We are too far back to get one of the top guys. Idk about Fields. He is too boom or bust imo. One game he is clearly better than Lawrence, the next he looks like a mid round project. That is really going to a big risk taking him in the top 5. If he is there at 19 it's going to be a tough decision. Mac Jones is the NFL backup that can come in and hold the fort down but not a 16 game starter.

Like a lot have said Heinike comes back and I also bring back Allen. Alex retires. The Stafford talk I think is just that. I think he stays put simply cause their new coach will probably want to keep him. Just watching him against us he still is an elite thrower/passer. You give him a line and weapons and he can still put up 5,000 yards. Why would you trade him? Who is going to give up a ton for a QB in his 30's? Just don't see it.[/quote]

If Ron likes one of the top guys enough we could always trade up if one of them falls a few spots past where people thought they’d go. Every year you know there’s some team (or a couple that make a surprise, squirrelly pick). If we can trade up from 19 into the teens if a guy falls, I see that being a possibility.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1274192]You need a guy that you can trust week in and week out to get the job done. Right now we don’t have that guy, TH had a great game but it’s one game. He’s 27 (28 this year) and hasn’t done anything until the Bucs game. That’s hard to roll with as QB1. Not to mention he got hurt diving for a Td.

Watson isn’t going to be traded unless it’s Miami, he said that’s where he wants to go (well his team said that)

Unless we trade for Stafford or some how sign Dak, it’s going to be a vet option like Mariota or Carr if he’s let go.[/quote]

When I first heard the name pop-up, I was against Mariota. But he would be a great fit for our offense. I wouldn't mind rolling with him/Heinicke/Allen next year, and building up the rest of the team through FA/draft.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274195]When I first heard the name pop-up, I was against Mariota. But he would be a great fit for our offense. I wouldn't mind rolling with him/Heinicke/Allen next year, and building up the rest of the team through FA/draft.[/quote]

Are we talking about a Ryan Tannehill type career resurrection?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274195]When I first heard the name pop-up, I was against Mariota. But he would be a great fit for our offense. I wouldn't mind rolling with him/Heinicke/Allen next year, and building up the rest of the team through FA/draft.[/quote]

This is an idea I like a lot. We would have three decent QB's competing for playing time next year, all of whom can fit our offense and we'll also be covered for any injuries at the position. That's a good thing.

Next season will be only the second year of our team build. There is no reason to throw away cap space on a FA or draft capital on a rookie QB. We can wait to land our "franchise" QB.

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Only caution I have is Mariota had a good coaching structure in Tenn and was average. Just look at what they've done with Tannehill, who was pretty much wasted under Gase. Mariota was above average in 3.5 of 5 seasons with the Titans and benched in favour of Tannehill who then took off. Same systems different results and at least 1 season with the same weapons. I personally wonder if Mariota peaked after season 2 and we'd actually get sub par Mariota from his last 4 seasons? I certainly wouldn't pay him #1 money to come here, not to start with.

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Mariota also has injury concerns, seemed like he was always hurt there. He'd be my last resort

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I'm not confident in Mariota as a starter either.

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Not interested in Mariota. He turns the ball over too much, just like Fitz"magic".

Trade #19 for Stafford, or bring in Tyrod Taylor. Both scenarios for me have them drafting a QB to develop either in 2021 or 2022.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274259]Not interested in Mariota. He turns the ball over too much, just like Fitz"magic".

Trade #19 for Stafford, or bring in Tyrod Taylor. Both scenarios for me have them drafting a QB to develop either in 2021 or 2022.[/quote]

I get the Tyrod , VA connection but lets be real... He's not very good. He never throws the ball downfield so he's another Alex Smith but not as accurate... No thanks

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274261]I get the Tyrod , VA connection but lets be real... He's not very good. He never throws the ball downfield so he's another Alex Smith but not as accurate... No thanks[/quote]

I think if you do some research, you'll find that his career completion percentage is on par with Alex, and he throws the ball down the field more than Mariota, Smith, and Dalton - per Pro Football Reference stats, and he's mobile.

This is an old article, but sums up his capabilities:

[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2597429-tyrod-taylors-deep-accuracy-is-keeping-the-bills-in-playoff-contention[/url]

Give him some weapons, a good running game and this defense, and it could be a nice recipe in my opinion. It wouldn't break the bank, and you keep all your draft picks.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1274261]I get the Tyrod , VA connection but lets be real... He's not very good. He never throws the ball downfield so he's another Alex Smith but not as accurate... No thanks[/quote]

Seriously, now many changes does one guy get? He's looking for a 5th team now.

If Shanny was still here and we needed a backup for RG3, Tyrod would work.



Not now.

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I’d sign Mariotta, Tyrod, Dalton, keep Allen and Heinicke and draft someone. Hell you get 90 guys for the offseason, sign as many guys as you can and see who sticks. We HAVE to solve the QB issue. I’m thinking the more guys you bring in the better.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274263]Seriously, now many changes does one guy get? He's looking for a 5th team now.

If Shanny was still here and we needed a backup for RG3, Tyrod would work.



Not now.[/quote]


He's not any good man, time to bury that possibility

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1274263]Seriously, now many changes does one guy get? He's looking for a 5th team now.

If Shanny was still here and we needed a backup for RG3, Tyrod would work.



Not now.[/quote]

LOL, ok. How many chances?...but let's bring in Fitzpatrick who has played for 25% of the league.

Tyrod has been a victim of some unfortunate circumstances to be honest. Regime change in Buffalo - traded to Browns to be their starter who turned to Baker after one bad game, brought in by the Chargers to be their starter then the team Dr. pierces his lung giving him a pain shot for his fractured ribs...

He's not Deshaun Watson...I'm just saying if you don't want to break the bank, don't want to give up draft picks, want someone who doesn't turn the ball over, is a dual threat, can throw the ball down the field, is relatively young, and has a winning record, he just might be your guy.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274265]He's not any good man, time to bury that possibility[/quote]

Well, I guarantee you he won't remain in LA as the backup to Herbert. Someone will bring him in to compete for the starting role - Colts, 49ers, Broncos, Bears...