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[quote=MissouriSkin;1275260]Y’all killing me with these “Ron needs to show me”, “Ron needs to do what I demand or I won’t trust him anymore” or “Why ain’t this done yet” posts.[/quote]

Speak your mind newbie. If there's somebody who said something you disagree with, address them directly. Don't be vague about it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1275282]Jimmy g is fuckin garbage[/quote]

I don't know if he's garbage, but yeah I'm not a fan.

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The Matt Stafford sweepstakes is like the fucking Catalina Wine Mixer, we cannot fuck this up

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If no one else is going to say the obvious, I will.

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I am against the costly acquisition of a QB via trade and I'll tell you exactly why. Building a team is a process that takes some time and the idea that we are "close" to being a contender because we got into the playoffs with a losing record in an abysmal division in the most abnormal NFL season ever is total bullshit. We need to build a team that can compete for a Super Bowl appearance year after year. This is not that team. We need every draft pick we can get and some key free agents before we can approach that level. And Heaven knows we can't be throwing away special young players like Montez Sweat in a deal for a QB who's not going to get us over the top. Tampa Bay didn't go after Brady until they had a strong team in place around him. That is the way to do it.

Now, how did we get this point? First, we got lucky and made the playoffs. At that point, I think RR started to overrate his team. Then, the evil genius Dan Snyder started to work on him. You see, it is time for Snyder to awaken from his slumber and prepare to personally select the next starting QB for his franchise. Nobody needs to agree with his selection because he will order it to be done. This may be the single most satisfying use of his power as team owner. What a boner he's going to get when he does it again! I think it's a major reason why he wanted to own the team.

The "we're close" mantra is way too familiar to me. We have heard that many times throughout Snyder's ownership. Maybe it's because Snyder asks the executives he hires "Are we close yet?" on a daily basis. You see, he just doesn't have the patience for a team build. That's because he's also a dumb shit fan like us. And now we're all excited about making the playoffs and we're ready to fall for Snyder's same old ignorant "we're close" bullshit until he personally selects his next disastrous man-crush QB.

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Do we have to wait until March to make a trade?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1275294]Do we have to wait until March to make a trade?[/quote]

No, Alex was traded on SB week 3 years ago

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If this team gets Aaron Rodgers and 1 more WR, they are the favorite next yr

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1275298]If this team gets Aaron Rodgers and 1 more WR, they are the favorite next yr[/quote]

Favorite for what?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275279]Go big not go stupid. We have cap space and 8 draft picks. There is a lot of maneuvering that can be done within that framework to get a qb and still build the team.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]

Agreed. Another thing people forget is that if you have a Watson/Stafford/Dak at QB, you don't need to have a defense that carries your team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1275300]Agreed. Another thing people forget is that if you have a Watson/Stafford/Dak at QB, you don't need to have a defense that carries your team.[/quote]

The defenses dominated the 4th quarter of the GB vs.TB championship game.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1275299]Favorite for what?[/quote]

Tiddlywinks championship

Looking back at that all-22 from recent world championship, I’d say we gotta chance:

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1275299]Favorite for what?[/quote]

Division by far

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1275291]

The "we're close" mantra is way too familiar to me. We have heard that many times throughout Snyder's ownership. Maybe it's because Snyder asks the executives he hires "Are we close yet?" on a daily basis. You see, he just doesn't have the patience for a team build. That's because he's also a dumb shit fan like us. And now we're all excited about making the playoffs and we're ready to fall for Snyder's same old ignorant "we're close" bullshit until he personally selects his next disastrous man-crush QB.[/quote]

I hear what youre saying .. as fans we think "were close" based on a scintilla of positive news, [U]see[/U] going 7-9 in a historically bad NFCE.

But .. I think you need to define "close". Close to what? Challenging the Chiefs as an NFL perennial powerhouse? no we arent that, not even close.

Challenging for the NFCE the next 3 years? Yes, I think we are close to that given the current state of affairs around the NFCE. My belief is you need to make the playoffs to win the playoffs. The more times were in the playoffs, the chances we make a run increases.

if we can make the playoffs 3 out of the next 5 years, that is worth spending draft capital. This team has a 5 year window to perennially win the NFCE. Weve been "waiting" and saving cap money and draft picks .. at some point you have to go all in.

The time is now.
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OK -- lol just saw your A-Aron post. we can dream.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1275301]The defenses dominated the 4th quarter of the GB vs.TB championship game.[/quote]

True, but I don't think our defense takes a step back if get any of those QBs. Hell, even if we have to trade Allen or Payne (I think it will likely be Allen), we get Matty I. back in that D-line.

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You trade DL ALL DAY for a QB., Not even close

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1275309]You trade DL ALL DAY for a QB., Not even close[/quote]

Yup...the untouchable is CY tho

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[quote=SunnySide;1275290]If no one else is going to say the obvious, I will.

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I will too but I'm secretly hoping he pulls a Favre and retires and then comes back later and works a deal to get out of his contract so he can be a FA.

I think the price for Rodgers in a trade would be as high as the price for Watson.

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[quote=Chico23231;1275310]Yup...the untouchable is CY tho[/quote]

Yeah he's only on the list if Mahomes is the trade lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1275309]You trade DL ALL DAY for a QB., Not even close[/quote]

Fine, but no Sweat or Young. We'd still have Matty I if we shipped off Payne or Allen.

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AR would never come here. SF is where he would go. He has always wanted to be a 49er.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275305]I hear what youre saying .. as fans we think "were close" based on a scintilla of positive news, [U]see[/U] going 7-9 in a historically bad NFCE.

But .. I think you need to define "close". Close to what? Challenging the Chiefs as an NFL perennial powerhouse? no we arent that, not even close.

Challenging for the NFCE the next 3 years? Yes, I think we are close to that given the current state of affairs around the NFCE. My belief is you need to make the playoffs to win the playoffs. The more times were in the playoffs, the chances we make a run increases.

if we can make the playoffs 3 out of the next 5 years, that is worth spending draft capital. This team has a 5 year window to perennially win the NFCE. Weve been "waiting" and saving cap money and draft picks .. at some point you have to go all in.

The time is now.
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OK -- lol just saw your A-Aron post. we can dream.[/quote]

You make a very good point about winning our weak division giving us a chance to make a playoff run. I'll have to chew on that thought for a while.

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I'd rather draft a QB. But at 19, I don't see us getting 1 of the big 4. I go back and forth on Mac Jones and he might be gone too. Will probably take just as much capital or more to trade up than to get Stafford. Risky game to wait to the draft to fix the QB issue.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1275300]Agreed. Another thing people forget is that if you have a Watson/Stafford/Dak at QB, you don't need to have a defense that carries your team.[/quote]

Not saying you are advocating this approach, but this is a terrible idea.

Even Mahomes needed a competent defense to win a title last year.

Neglecting any area of the team in favor of the "stud qb wins titles" approach would be a bad idea.

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Defense won for Tampa Bay yesterday...They bailed out Brady’s turnovers and TB pass rush was a monster.

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[quote=Chico23231;1275324]Defense won for Tampa Bay yesterday...They bailed out Brady’s turnovers and TB pass rush was a monster.[/quote]

Yeah first half was Brady and 2nd half was his Defense for sure.

Tampa can beat KC because they have the speed for it

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We're not going to be able to retain the entire DL down the road. So if you can trade one now (anyone not named Young) for a stud QB go for it.

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That Tampa defense is no bullshit...super physical. Devin White and JPP and Shaw Barrett...JFC. That interior with Suh. They aren’t there to fuck around. That pressured Rodgers...especially in the second half

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[quote=MTK;1275326]We're not going to be able to retain the entire DL down the road. So if you can trade one now (anyone not named Young) for a stud QB go for it.[/quote]

Settle has played well enough to replace one of the interior guys.

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I'd rather take my chances w/ keeping my picks and rolling w/ Allen and Heinike. Pick a Qb within the 1st 3 rounds. I just really really liked what I saw from Heinike. Is everyone just forgetting how well he played under some tough circumstances? How many drops he had? Give him a chance w/ more weapons. He was making throws that we hadn't seen in a while, we was anticipating, moving well.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275305]I hear what youre saying .. as fans we think "were close" based on a scintilla of positive news, [U]see[/U] going 7-9 in a historically bad NFCE.

But .. I think you need to define "close". Close to what? Challenging the Chiefs as an NFL perennial powerhouse? no we arent that, not even close.

Challenging for the NFCE the next 3 years? Yes, I think we are close to that given the current state of affairs around the NFCE. My belief is you need to make the playoffs to win the playoffs. The more times were in the playoffs, the chances we make a run increases.

if we can make the playoffs 3 out of the next 5 years, that is worth spending draft capital. [B]This team has a 5 year window[/B] to perennially win the NFCE. Weve been "waiting" and saving cap money and draft picks .. at some point you have to go all in.

The time is now.
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OK -- lol just saw your A-Aron post. we can dream.[/quote]

THIS is exactly why I'm not a fan of giving away a bunch of assets to get a QB. So you're content with competing for maybe the next three years - and then what? You're ok with going back to mediocrity (if that)?

Why do we have to have a "window" of opportunity? Why can't we build a team that can sustain success for a long period of time? I'll tell you why. Because we are willing to mortgage THE FUTURE to get a QB.

Hell, just look at Detroit and Houston. Those teams have great QBs, right? Everyone wants one of those guys here. They throw for 4,000 plus yards every year, etc. However, did those teams make the playoffs? Nope, because they didn't have enough horses around their QBs, and their defenses were not good.

If we actually had a defense like TB, NO, LAR, then maybe I go all in on a QB. But we don't. We're not close.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275333]THIS is exactly why I'm not a fan of giving away a bunch of assets to get a QB. So you're content with competing for maybe the next three years - and then what? You're ok with going back to mediocrity (if that)?

Why do we have to have a "window" of opportunity? Why can't we build a team that can sustain success for a long period of time? I'll tell you why. Because we are willing to mortgage THE FUTURE to get a QB.

Hell, just look at Detroit and Houston. Those teams have great QBs, right? Everyone wants one of those guys here. They throw for 4,000 plus yards every year, etc. However, did those teams make the playoffs? Nope, because they didn't have enough horses around their QBs, and their defenses were not good.

If we actually had a defense like TB, NO, LAR, then maybe I go all in on a QB. But we don't. We're not close.[/quote]

Actually Stafford has passed for 5,000 and Watson almost got that this year. But you bring up a great point. We won a bad division w/ 7 wins, gave up 500 yards against TB. We are not close to competing for a SB. Keep building. Go get some more pieces w/ the draft and get a free agent or two.

I'd say we are closer than ever to being a contender.

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[quote=mooby;1275321]Not saying you are advocating this approach, but this is a terrible idea.

Even Mahomes needed a competent defense to win a title last year.

Neglecting any area of the team in favor of the "stud qb wins titles" approach would be a bad idea.[/quote]

But if we keep the same defense from last year, is that neglecting it? We still have free agency where we can address any deficiencies on both offense and defense.

I just don't get the idea that going after Watson or Stafford is somehow going to hamper other areas of the team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1275336]But if we keep the same defense from last year, is that neglecting it? We still have free agency where we can address any deficiencies on both offense and defense.

I just don't get the idea that going after Watson or Stafford is somehow going to hamper other areas of the team.[/quote]

It will, because you're adding 30-40 million of salary, and potentially giving away multiple high draft picks and invaluable young players.

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Our no. 2 defense is not close to Bucs (6th), Saints (4th), Rams (1st) defense?

Our defense and current situation is more comparable to Detroit (32nd ranked D) and Houston (29th)?

A "5 year window" is short term thinking in todays "win now" NFL?

I want to take advantage of this top 10 D and a weak NFCE. We have been saving cap space and investing 1st rounders on the DL for 4 plus years now ... how much more saving up and planning are we planning to do before we actually start executing the plan? Are we going to stay in the party planning committee stage for ever? or are we going to party?

Lets not over think this. We have a top 10 D with all the pieces young and under contract. We have McLaurin. We are a QB1, WR2, and LT away from being relevant again.

We have a ton of cap space.

The time is now. The next 3-5 years in the NFCE could be ours.

Weve been saving up for this moment. Things have gone our way in terms of drafts and FA pick ups. lets take advantage.

i dont want to stay medium and watch what we are currently holding slowly slip through our cupped hands. How much more cap space are we going to continue to not use? Are we just going to roll over 10-15 M in cap space every year until eternity?

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besides ...

a 1st and a 3rd does not equal mortgaging our future ability to keep adding to this team.

its a 1st and a 3rd ... not our next 5 years of draft picks.

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[quote=MTK;1275326]We're not going to be able to retain the entire DL down the road. So if you can trade one now (anyone not named Young) for a stud QB go for it.[/quote]


You are right. And what might make most sense is to trade the one closest to the end of his rookie deal. That would be Allen, right?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275333]THIS is exactly why I'm not a fan of giving away a bunch of assets to get a QB. So you're content with competing for maybe the next three years - and then what? You're ok with going back to mediocrity (if that)?

Why do we have to have a "window" of opportunity? Why can't we build a team that can sustain success for a long period of time? I'll tell you why. Because we are willing to mortgage THE FUTURE to get a QB.

Hell, just look at Detroit and Houston. Those teams have great QBs, right? Everyone wants one of those guys here. They throw for 4,000 plus yards every year, etc. However, did those teams make the playoffs? Nope, because they didn't have enough horses around their QBs, and their defenses were not good.

If we actually had a defense like TB, NO, LAR, then maybe I go all in on a QB. But we don't. We're not close.[/quote]

We have a lot of key positions on rookie deals and the team needs to win now before they have to pay those guys. You wait an additional 3-5 years to figure out your QB situation, you need to start making decisions on who to pay and who not to pay.

You're not going to address every single position this offseaon. Also, the team needs to take advantage of the funk a lot of the NFC East teams are going through right now. I don't understand why people are so cautious about it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1275342]We have a lot of key positions on rookie deals and the team needs to win now before they have to pay those guys. You wait an additional 3-5 years to figure out your QB situation, you need to start making decisions on who to pay and who not to pay.

You're not going to address every single position this offseaon. Also, the team needs to take advantage of the funk a lot of the NFC East teams are going through right now. I don't understand why people are so cautious about it.[/quote]

That whole "We can build for the future" stuff is over in the NFL. It's a win now league.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275340][B]Our no. 2 defense is not close to Bucs (6th), Saints (4th), Rams (1st) defense? [/B]

Our defense and current situation is more comparable to Detroit (32nd ranked D) and Houston (29th)?

A "5 year window" is short term thinking in todays "win now" NFL?

I want to take advantage of this top 10 D and a weak NFCE. We have been saving cap space and investing 1st rounders on the DL for 4 plus years now ... how much more saving up and planning are we planning to do before we actually start executing the plan? Are we going to stay in the party planning committee stage for ever? or are we going to party?

Lets not over think this. We have a top 10 D with all the pieces young and under contract. We have McLaurin. We are a QB1, WR2, and LT away from being relevant again.

We have a ton of cap space.

The time is now. The next 3-5 years in the NFCE could be ours.

Weve been saving up for this moment. Things have gone our way in terms of drafts and FA pick ups. lets take advantage.

i dont want to stay medium and watch what we are currently holding slowly slip through our cupped hands. How much more cap space are we going to continue to not use? Are we just going to roll over 10-15 M in cap space every year until eternity?[/quote]

Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.