Re: WFT Free Agency
 

What big money FA QB do we have. Fitz at 10M is bargain basement money for 1st/2nd string qb

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Signed him for less than the Griffen contract, can't hate on that and filled one of the four key positions. Still think we will pick up a third corner in the draft, Jacksons three year deal ties nicely in parallel with a rookie contract, but not now a pressing need in the first round

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1279523]What big money FA QB do we have. Fitz at 10M is bargain basement money for 1st/2nd string qb

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Any player $10M+ is big money. You can have a dozen such players most usually, given that many $10M+ contracts will be $15M-$20M. $10M is not bargain basement for a 38 year old QB that is going on his 17th season and has never led a team to the playoffs. NOT ONCE. Even $5M is too much. Or did you think in year 18 he was suddenly going to become Joe Montana? Character and accuracy perhaps notwithstanding, the single most important aspect of a QB is consistency. People wowed by a few highlight plays are oblivious to the fact that teams Fitz "magic" leads rarely go far because he is wildly inconsistent. The $10M could have been better spent on younger players with upside, especially guys like Allen.

A Few Observations
 

0. Average first day early period of free agency. One bad signing, Fitz, one solid signing, Jackson. No absurd overpay deals or chasing huge money deals for WRs etc., which has to count as a win given franchise history.
1. We are paying Collins $16.9M, Fuller $13M, Jackson $14M. Jackson's annual average included since contract deals not available, first year number may be lower, but basically, $44M on 3 players in secondary, and probably closer to $48 when depth players counted, and possibly whoever we sign at FS. That is 25% of our cap. For that kind of money, you would expect one absolute superstar like Jalen Ramsey, and one of the most dominant secondaries in NFL. Especially with one of best DLs in NFL in front of it. Jesus was Collins signing horrible, he is almost certainly a goner after this year.
2. We are also spending $44M+ on OL this year, for which you would expect elite unit, ours is not. About $90M on OL and DBs, about half of cap, with a gaping hole still at FS and no long term LT. That leaves other half of cap for QB,WR,RB,TE,DL,LB,ST.
3. Wanna see how to build OL properly, look at Niners. Two stud Ts and a stud C. Don't like older players, but they at least understand the basics. Don't see any $20M guards on their roster.
4. Moves you would expect later part of FA. Signing someone at FS. Adding a WR. Adding a LB. We find three value signings those positions, has been a competent if not stellar FA.
5. Very interesting to think about a defense heavy draft. Not advocating it, but interesting to ponder. We drafted a FS, a CB, two LBs, with higher picks, our D would be scary good. Or FS,CB,LB, and perhaps one more modest big LB signing. Shallow draft for FS and S, so expect us to sign a FS, maybe draft long term answer next year? Or sleeper later? Moehrig at #19? As of now, you don't have to guess where teams will be attacking our D, middle of field underneath and 3+ WR sets to expose our FS, or deeeeeeeeep. With a true 1-high safety, this D could be unbelieveable.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1279488]Could it be a very inconsistent passing game made it easier to play the run?



Consistency with the running game would be nice. I hope with a bolstered WR corp, and another TE to go with Thomas, we may suddenly find it easier to find running lanes.



Time will tell, I suppose.[/QUOTE]



I completely agree. They both feed off each other. To me it appeared our run game was the weaker of the two as hard as that is to believe. Lol. And yes another TE would do wonders.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

Love to see us sign TE like Everett for sane money. Huge money to guys like Henry a mistake, guy is Jordan Reed 2.0 with health issues, paying $10M for good but not great TEs or those with injury problems is dumb. Basically, as roster constructed now, if McLaurin or Thomas goes down, that's our season. One prudent TE and WR signing, and draft at positions, help a lot.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1279514]Jelly or creme filling preference?[/QUOTE]



When it comes to filling holes ya just gotta go creme.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=punch it in;1279538]When it comes to filling holes ya just gotta go creme.[/quote]

that's what she said

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=Scalper;1279537]Love to see us sign TE like Everett for sane money. Huge money to guys like Henry a mistake, guy is Jordan Reed 2.0 with health issues, paying $10M for good but not great TEs or those with injury problems is dumb. Basically, as roster constructed now, if McLaurin or Thomas goes down, that's our season. One prudent TE and WR signing, and draft at positions, help a lot.[/quote]

Yeah, getting Everett and allowing the offense to have competent TE in 12 personnel would open the playbook quite a bit with the run as well as the pass.

I’m still hoping T Moss can come in and contribute.

WR, TE, LB and FS still on the list for free agency.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=Scalper;1279537]Love to see us sign TE like Everett for sane money. Huge money to guys like Henry a mistake, guy is Jordan Reed 2.0 with health issues, paying $10M for good but not great TEs or those with injury problems is dumb. Basically, as roster constructed now, if McLaurin or Thomas goes down, that's our season. One prudent TE and WR signing, and draft at positions, help a lot.[/quote]

Agreed. I think we would need to outbid a few other teams for Everett if we really want him. I know Bills and Jags are looking for a new TE.. There isn't much of options behind Everett in free agency, unless WFT believes they can find another gem like Thomas.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

Do not know much about Jackson. Just wondering why the Bengals didn't re sign him?

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

So far a good FA. Fitz is a solid signing (league average player) at a decent price (below league average value) for a QB #1. He is a RR character guy and at the same time a signing that Dan will eat up. It prevents pressure for reaching for a QB with #19 pick and now gives far more options in the draft. IMO they did what needs to be done.

Like the Jackson signing a lot. Solid price but in 2 years when cap bounces back up we have a CB1 at a CB2 price.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1279544]Do not know much about Jackson. Just wondering why the Bengals didn't re sign him?[/quote]

He may not have wanted to stay there, the team is rebuilding and at age 28 I'm sure he wants to compete

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1279544]Do not know much about Jackson. Just wondering why the Bengals didn't re sign him?[/quote]

Bengals doing Bengals things, they don't like to pay anyone, and maybe he was interested in staying

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

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Bengals chose to sign a decent slot CB but then went with a much lesser talent CB Chidobe Awuzie...ole cowboys cb. They went for the cheaper option

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

Being able to leave our new corner one on one with the best receiver allows us to be even more aggressive in scheme especially on 3rd down.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

Veteran RB Lamar Miller is going back to the WFT on a 1-year deal, per
@DrewJRosenhaus
.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

My remaining FA Wish List in order of preference:

1. FS Anthony Harris
2. WR Curtis Samuel
3. TE Gerald Everette
4. RB Kenyan Drake

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1279556]Veteran RB Lamar Miller is going back to the WFT on a 1-year deal, per
@DrewJRosenhaus
.[/quote]

Eh I guess the coaches saw something in him last year when we signed him.. Hopefully he is just a training camp body.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

Washington Re-Signing OT David Sharpe To One-Year Deal

Re: A Few Observations
 

[QUOTE=Scalper;1279534]0. Average first day early period of free agency. One bad signing, Fitz, one solid signing, Jackson. No absurd overpay deals or chasing huge money deals for WRs etc., which has to count as a win given franchise history.

1. We are paying Collins $16.9M, Fuller $13M, Jackson $14M. Jackson's annual average included since contract deals not available, first year number may be lower, but basically, $44M on 3 players in secondary, and probably closer to $48 when depth players counted, and possibly whoever we sign at FS. That is 25% of our cap. For that kind of money, you would expect one absolute superstar like Jalen Ramsey, and one of the most dominant secondaries in NFL. Especially with one of best DLs in NFL in front of it. Jesus was Collins signing horrible, he is almost certainly a goner after this year.

2. We are also spending $44M+ on OL this year, for which you would expect elite unit, ours is not. About $90M on OL and DBs, about half of cap, with a gaping hole still at FS and no long term LT. That leaves other half of cap for QB,WR,RB,TE,DL,LB,ST.

3. Wanna see how to build OL properly, look at Niners. Two stud Ts and a stud C. Don't like older players, but they at least understand the basics. Don't see any $20M guards on their roster.

4. Moves you would expect later part of FA. Signing someone at FS. Adding a WR. Adding a LB. We find three value signings those positions, has been a competent if not stellar FA.

5. Very interesting to think about a defense heavy draft. Not advocating it, but interesting to ponder. We drafted a FS, a CB, two LBs, with higher picks, our D would be scary good. Or FS,CB,LB, and perhaps one more modest big LB signing. Shallow draft for FS and S, so expect us to sign a FS, maybe draft long term answer next year? Or sleeper later? Moehrig at #19? As of now, you don't have to guess where teams will be attacking our D, middle of field underneath and 3+ WR sets to expose our FS, or deeeeeeeeep. With a true 1-high safety, this D could be unbelieveable.[/QUOTE]

1. Collins will be cut after June 1st, saving 8M in cap -agree that was a horrible signing.

2. Build and pay the trenches. That is a winning strategy. Our DL is 38M which is less than half the league.

3. Hmmm. Do you still want to throw in SF. 49ers make Trent Williams highest-paid OL with 6-year, $138M deal
[url]https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2135480[/url]

Stud players (Scherff and TW are both studs) cost.

- and as for positional spending our QB room is 17th even with Fitzpatrick. Which affords us considerable cap space relative to the rest of the league. Bring in a rookie, have a good competion and sort out who is best short term and long term. If none are then you rinse and repeat next year.
We are 15th in defense spending and 19th in offense spending. In other words the FO is building a balanced team. Maybe one position is a little high or a little low but I think it shows they have a comprehensive plan for a long term success.


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Washington's updated cap space after Fitzpatrick and Jackson III signings: $27.1M

Fitz's 2021 cap hit: $9.94M
WJ3's 2021 cap hit: $6.66M

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

Actually it is $21.3m after the Jackson signing.... we can extend Scherr and Jon Allen and save a further $13m, so no need to panic yet...... as for the size of Jacksons deal it probably allows them to jettison/extend him before year 3 so money is available for Terry McL.... or it expires after 3 years when we will need money for Montez and Chase... though by then the cap should have skyrocketed

Re: A Few Observations
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1279562]1. [B]Collins will be cut after June 1st, saving 8M in cap[/B] -agree that was a horrible signing.

2. Build and pay the trenches. That is a winning strategy. Our DL is 38M which is less than half the league.

3. Hmmm. Do you still want to throw in SF. 49ers make Trent Williams highest-paid OL with 6-year, $138M deal
[url]https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2135480[/url]

Stud players (Scherff and TW are both studs) cost.

- and as for positional spending our QB room is 17th even with Fitzpatrick. Which affords us considerable cap space relative to the rest of the league. Bring in a rookie, have a good competion and sort out who is best short term and long term. If none are then you rinse and repeat next year.
We are 15th in defense spending and 19th in offense spending. In other words the FO is building a balanced team. Maybe one position is a little high or a little low but I think it shows they have a comprehensive plan for a long term success.


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They don't even need to wait, he could be designated as a post-June 1st cut today and it would apply. Wish they'd do it now because the longer it doesn't happen the more I believe he's staying which makes no sense with Kam Curl being the younger, better, and cheaper option.

Re: A Few Observations
 

[quote=mooby;1279573]They don't even need to wait, he could be designated as a post-June 1st cut today and it would apply. Wish they'd do it now because the longer it doesn't happen the more I believe he's staying which makes no sense with Kam Curl being the younger, better, and cheaper option.[/quote]

Thanks and right, I should have said "as a post Jun 1st cut". I don't know why they are waiting, but it only benefits the player to be cut early since the cap relief doesn't start until Jun 1st but the player can find a new team sooner. Maybe they want him in the early ota's as an extra body.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

I won't be surprised at all if Collins is back. I think they like what he brings on and off the field. You can never have enough good safeties.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

Collins should stay imo. Hed be 18.8M in dead cap vs his 2021 cap hit of 16.9. We would lose cap if we cut him.

Cutting him next year = 9.6 in dead cap (6.8M in savings).

Collins is a plus player and locker room leader, just wish his cap hit was lower.

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-football-team/landon-collins-16757/[/url]

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Plus, if we 'threaten' him with a post 1st June cut, he'd be in a bad position to find a new team with anything like the deal we offered at that point. Might be an incentive to get him to renegotiate his current deal?

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=MTK;1279575]I won't be surprised at all if Collins is back. I think they like what he brings on and off the field. You can never have enough good safeties.[/quote]

True . . . but is he a good safety? Last year the only game i remember him playing well in was the game he got hurt in. The couple of years before that he was pedestrian at best. It has been 3 down years in a row since he had a good season. Due to usage? Or?

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=SkinsGuru;1279586]True . . . but is he a good safety? Last year the only game i remember him playing well in was the game he got hurt in. The couple of years before that he was pedestrian at best. It has been 3 down years in a row since he had a good season. Due to usage? Or?[/quote]

Maybe he could be a solution at LB?

He'd cover better than a typical LB.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

Looks like Sundberg won't be coming back

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

Looks like Nick Sundberg is on his way out. Really liked him.

[url]https://twitter.com/NickSundberg/status/1372220738946674690[/url]

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

What? He's damn near a legend. Must be because of all his years, the minimum is way higher than just picking a young guy off the street.

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Came to share that sad news.

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Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=SunnySide;1279579]Collins should stay imo. Hed be 18.8M in dead cap vs his 2021 cap hit of 16.9. We would lose cap if we cut him.

Cutting him next year = 9.6 in dead cap (6.8M in savings).

Collins is a plus player and locker room leader, just wish his cap hit was lower.

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-football-team/landon-collins-16757/[/url][/quote]

I agree. The problem with Collins isn't Collins' fault. It is that you don't pay a very good but not elite SS who can't cover $15M+ in today's NFL. Smart move is to make sure Curl wasn't a one-year wonder, and we could be starting Curl and Collins, LOL, as we have nothing else at safety yet. Next year hopefully gone.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1279544]Do not know much about Jackson. Just wondering why the Bengals didn't re sign him?[/quote]

Does anyone really want to stay a Bengal? They're already on the hook for $20M+ with Waynes and one other guy, I believe.

Re: A Few Observations
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1279562]1. Collins will be cut after June 1st, saving 8M in cap -agree that was a horrible signing.

2. Build and pay the trenches. That is a winning strategy. Our DL is 38M which is less than half the league.

3. Hmmm. Do you still want to throw in SF. 49ers make Trent Williams highest-paid OL with 6-year, $138M deal
[url]https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2135480[/url]

Stud players (Scherff and TW are both studs) cost.

- and as for positional spending our QB room is 17th even with Fitzpatrick. Which affords us considerable cap space relative to the rest of the league. Bring in a rookie, have a good competion and sort out who is best short term and long term. If none are then you rinse and repeat next year.
We are 15th in defense spending and 19th in offense spending. In other words the FO is building a balanced team. Maybe one position is a little high or a little low but I think it shows they have a comprehensive plan for a long term success.


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I doubt the Williams deal is truly for 6 years when you look at numbers, probably more like a 3 year deal. As i said, I don't like going old, but Williams is a stud. Almost certainly a HOFer. I threw SF in assuming they would resign Williams. :-)

Not so sure Collins gets cut. Huge cap hit, Curl only shined one year. I think he's gone year after, but who knows.

Some good observations, I agree about trenches.

Bring in 2 rookies and never sign Fitz unless less than $5M.

Re: A Few Observations
 

[quote=mooby;1279573]They don't even need to wait, he could be designated as a post-June 1st cut today and it would apply. Wish they'd do it now because the longer it doesn't happen the more I believe he's staying which makes no sense with Kam Curl being the younger, better, and cheaper option.[/quote]

Curl could Sophomore slump. Nothing wrong with a little insurance when cap hit so massive. Splitting it over 2 years doesn't change fact that $18M cap hit massive. You keep him one more year, and then the contract essentially autovoids with $10M dead cap. Allen and THE DAN. What Clowns. Between Smith and Collins, $40M+ in either dead cap or guys you pay wayyyyyyyyy too much. Crazy to think year 3 or 4 or RR's tenure before free of horrible decisions of past. Case study in why our judicious approach to FA is so smart.

Re: WFT Free Agency
 

My only issue/concern so far is letting KPL go (he signed in Houston 2yrs 3,5M/yr) and not bringing in any LBs. We are beyond thin at that position. Christian Kirksey signing 1yr 4,5M tells me you can sign quality ILBs at decent prices, but I will be worried until we actually sign one...