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[quote=DYoungJelly;1284568][url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/5/31/22460956/washingtons-secondary-is-preparing-to-get-scary[/url]

Idk about the quality of the opinion in the article, but Warren Sharp whose work serves as the foundation is on the cutting edge of analytics. The premise passes the eye test.[/quote]

I found the author's conclusion to be very exciting: "Looking at the raw numbers, it was pretty difficult to see how Washington’s defense could get much better from 2020 to 2021, but examining their offseason moves, it appears that Ron Rivera and Jack Del Rio believe they’ve found a pretty dramatic way to do just that - lock down the backside of the defense by bringing in the personnel to be far more aggressive in the secondary, which should have ripple effects throughout the rest of the defense. They now have the talent to move away from defense focused on 'containing the damage' to one that can actively work on inflicting it on opposing offenses."

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[quote=Scalper;1284573]I love playing more man and moving towards man DBs. Tough to find great man CBs and DBs though, hope we have. Allows you to be super aggressive pass rushing. Richard Sherman (the antithesis of a man CB) is average at best without a HOF FS behind him, versus more Darrell Green type CBs.

I'm not sure I buy that Juste a man CB, especially deeper, but let's hope he is.

FO is clearly reworking roster gradually, DBs, OL, WR, to make it in the mold they want. I expect the same at RB and LB much more next year, and secondary as well, in the draft. [B]We desperately need a home-run threat RB.[/B][/quote]

Are you saying that Gibson isn't the guy?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1284568][url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/5/31/22460956/washingtons-secondary-is-preparing-to-get-scary[/url]

Idk about the quality of the opinion in the article, but Warren Sharp whose work serves as the foundation is on the cutting edge of analytics. The premise passes the eye test.[/quote]

I like and agree with the article, although I don't believe we will switch to man to man 100% next season. I think we will mix it up evenly. It's not going to be easy to contain mobile QBs with the man to man defense.

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[quote=GridIron26;1284576]I like and agree with the article, although [B]I don't believe we will switch to man to man 100% next season[/B]. I think we will mix it up evenly. It's not going to be easy to contain mobile QBs with the man to man defense.[/quote]

Does any team in the NFL do it ? I don't think you can go 100% man, you have to keep the offense guessing a minimum, and in some situations man can be quite risky, IMO even in a man heavy system, you have to wrinkle in some zone.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284577]Does any team in the NFL do it ? I don't think you can go 100% man, you have to keep the offense guessing a minimum, and in some situations man can be quite risky, IMO even in a man heavy system, you have to wrinkle in some zone.[/quote]

Just a guess but you probably are not running too much man in 3rd and 20 situations.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284577]Does any team in the NFL do it ? I don't think you can go 100% man, you have to keep the offense guessing a minimum, and in some situations man can be quite risky, IMO even in a man heavy system, you have to wrinkle in some zone.[/quote]

Sorry I didn't explain it clearly, I meant we are not going to go 180 degree with the defense - we ran zone cover 62% of time last year (according to the article) and I don't think we will go with man to man coverage 60% or more next year.
We play Hurts, Prescott, Rodgers, Jones, Allen, Herbert and Mahomes this year and all those QBs can run. Although we could try to counter this challenge by using Curl or Collins as a spy to try contain those QBs.

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[quote=GridIron26;1284579]Sorry I didn't explain it clearly, I meant we are not going to go 180 degree with the defense - we ran zone cover 62% of time last year (according to the article) and I don't think we will go with man to man coverage 60% or more next year.
[B]We play Hurts, Prescott, Rodgers, Jones, Allen, Herbert and Mahomes this year and all those QBs can run[/B]. Although we could try to counter this challenge by using Curl or Collins as a spy to try contain those QBs.[/quote]

Good point.
And on top of those we play many very good QBs that we'll have to keep guessing a minimum. Otherwise the likes of Brady, Wilson and Ryan will have a lot of fun identifying good man to man match ups pre snaps...

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[quote=Scalper;1284573]I love playing more man and moving towards man DBs. Tough to find great man CBs and DBs though, hope we have. Allows you to be super aggressive pass rushing. Richard Sherman (the antithesis of a man CB) is average at best without a HOF FS behind him, versus more Darrell Green type CBs.

I'm not sure I buy that Juste a man CB, especially deeper, but let's hope he is.

FO is clearly reworking roster gradually, DBs, OL, WR, to make it in the mold they want. I expect the same at RB and LB much more next year, and secondary as well, in the draft. We desperately need a home-run threat RB.[/quote]

Gibson ran a 4.39 what more do you want in a homerun threat??

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[quote=Schneed10;1284581]Gibson ran a 4.39 what more do you want in a homerun threat??[/quote]

With a more credible/reliable passing game and a year under his belt, I'm looking forward to Gibson's sophomore outing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1284582]With a more credible/reliable passing game and a year under his belt, I'm looking forward to Gibson's sophomore outing.[/quote]


YES.

Gibson's arc for improvement is sky high, given how little he has played the position. Add in last year's covid-influenced LACK of off/pre-season work, and I think his ceiling goes even higher.

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[quote=mooby;1284501]My NFCE qb rankings:

1. Dak
2. Hurts - just for playmaking ability right now with his legs, he still needs work at throwing
3. Fitzmagic - he's consistently inconsistent. If he could be consistently above average he'd be #2 on this list.
4. Jones - he's obv. still a work in progress, but shouldn't be overlooked considering he's 4-0 against us.[/quote]

LOL, your jones hate is interesting .

1) Dak , still the #1 in the NFC East but I am interested in how he recovers form the injury.
2) Fitz , He is streaky but when he is hot he is good and you can't be in the league this long and suck ,even as a back up.
3) Jones , Third year but his second with all the same coaches and system , add in while mobile and one of the best deep ball passers last year was never suppose to be the #1 rusher on the team. Better weapons this is his make it or break it year.
4) Hurts , the Eagle will wreck him and their #1 pic.

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Hurts may be the worst starting QB week 1.

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[quote=Giantone;1285291]LOL, your jones hate is interesting .

1) Dak , still the #1 in the NFC East but I am interested in how he recovers form the injury.
2) Fitz , He is streaky but when he is hot he is good and you can't be in the league this long and suck ,even as a back up.
3) Jones , Third year but his second with all the same coaches and system , add in while mobile and one of the best deep ball passers last year was never suppose to be the #1 rusher on the team. Better weapons this is his make it or break it year.
4) Hurts , the Eagle will wreck him and their #1 pic.[/quote]

You're late to this thread by a country mile but I'll take the L.

You guys are shitting on Jalen Hurts and I do not have the energy to disagree. I thought he showed promise in our games against them last year. Apparently everybody has already concluded he's crap.

I take the L on this one. Jones is 3rd despite leading the league in turnovers since he became a starter (if I'm remembering correctly, feel free to dispute me on that) and Hurts is 4th. Congratulations.

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Ron Rivera: WFT's defense has been 'so disappointing' at times

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-wants-more-defense-thats-been-so-disappointing-times[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1291626]Ron Rivera: WFT's defense has been 'so disappointing' at times

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-wants-more-defense-thats-been-so-disappointing-times[/url][/quote]

"Then you see things and go, 'Man, that is so not us,'" Rivera continued. "'That is so disappointing. That is almost immature.' Again, that's just us growing and learning."

It's really nice to know me and Ron are on the same page about the performance of our D so far.

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Im somewhat confused on our coverage. I thought we played LOTS of man last year. We brought in Jackson who is a physical corner and drafted long armed St Juste.

it seemed like we were targeting guys to jam at the line, play aggressive man thinking Qbs wont have more than 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball bc of our pass rush.

but it seems like on 3rd and longs (and a lot of situational plays) our corners are playing off and soft. Id guess the goal is keep the receiver in front of them and in front of the sticks and drive on any passes in front of them.

are we playing corners man outside, LBs playing zone middle?

I think Keim tweeted yesterday Jamin Davis was replacing Bostic in nickle package yesterday but I saw a lot of Bostic in those situations.

If anyone comes across an in-depth breakdown of our D id love to read it.

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Lake Lewis " There is not heart right now with this team"

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[quote=SunnySide;1292629]Im somewhat confused on our coverage. I thought we played LOTS of man last year. We brought in Jackson who is a physical corner and drafted long armed St Juste.

it seemed like we were targeting guys to jam at the line, play aggressive man thinking Qbs wont have more than 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball bc of our pass rush.

but it seems like on 3rd and longs (and a lot of situational plays) our corners are playing off and soft. Id guess the goal is keep the receiver in front of them and in front of the sticks and drive on any passes in front of them.

are we playing corners man outside, LBs playing zone middle?

I think Keim tweeted yesterday Jamin Davis was replacing Bostic in nickle package yesterday but I saw a lot of Bostic in those situations.

If anyone comes across an in-depth breakdown of our D id love to read it.[/quote]

I found this about last year: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/5/31/22460956/washingtons-secondary-is-preparing-to-get-scary[/url]

According to article in 2020 zone heavy with over 62% of coverage snaps in zone.

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[quote=SunnySide;1292629][B]Im somewhat confused on our coverage[/B]. I thought we played LOTS of man last year. We brought in Jackson who is a physical corner and drafted long armed St Juste.

it seemed like we were targeting guys to jam at the line, play aggressive man thinking Qbs wont have more than 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball bc of our pass rush.

but it seems like on 3rd and longs (and a lot of situational plays) our corners are playing off and soft. Id guess the goal is keep the receiver in front of them and in front of the sticks and drive on any passes in front of them.

are we playing corners man outside, LBs playing zone middle?

I think Keim tweeted yesterday Jamin Davis was replacing Bostic in nickle package yesterday but I saw a lot of Bostic in those situations.

If anyone comes across an in-depth breakdown of our D id love to read it.[/quote]

So are our defense.

Jamin Davis actually played more snaps than Bostic apparently, you probably didn't see him because they must have noticed that Bostic wasn't there an went elsewhere for their complementary completions.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1292682]So are our defense.

[B]Jamin Davis actually played more snaps than Bostic[/B] apparently, you probably didn't see him because they must have noticed that Bostic wasn't there an went elsewhere for their complementary completions.[/quote]

Let's hope it continues to trend that way.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1292682]So are our defense.

Jamin Davis actually played more snaps than Bostic apparently, you probably didn't see him because they must have noticed that Bostic wasn't there an went elsewhere for their complementary completions.[/QUOTE]


Exactly

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Interesting read: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/9/27/22679722/washingtons-defense-is-focused-on-making-its-opponents-one-dimensional[/url]

Bostic was on XM after the Giants game basically said the defense goal was to make teams one dimensional by stopping the run. Kind of odd mindset if true and Bostic isn't confused. For starters most teams are far more pass heavy. Stopping the run is basically trying to control a drippy faucet when you have a pipe burst in the basement. The reading has some other good info about that as a flawed approach. Average yards per a play is 2/3 less for rushing plays vs passing etc.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1292710]Interesting read: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/9/27/22679722/washingtons-defense-is-focused-on-making-its-opponents-one-dimensional[/url]

Bostic was on XM after the Giants game basically [B]said the defense goal was to make teams one dimensional[/B] by stopping the run. Kind of odd mindset if true and Bostic isn't confused. For starters most teams are far more pass heavy. Stopping the run is basically trying to control a drippy faucet when you have a pipe burst in the basement. The reading has some other good info about that as a flawed approach. Average yards per a play is 2/3 less for rushing plays vs passing etc.[/quote]

Well at least they have [B]goals[/B], but they haven't stopped anything yet.

Rushing yards/game allowed: 26th
Passing yards/game allowed: 29th
Total Rushing yards/game allowed: 31st
Points/game allowed: 29th

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Hahaha Chico needs to come in with ICP meme “fucking goals how do they work?”

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Honestly, I'd like to see what Khaleke Hudson can do. He can't be more of a liability than Bostic has been. The Bostic experiment has expired in my opinion.

Not that one player is going to make a huge difference, but when it's obvious to the entire world that one guy in particular isn't getting it done, I see no harm in trying someone else.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1292712]Hahaha Chico needs to come in with ICP meme “fucking goals how do they work?”[/quote]

Honestly, ICP meme would be:

For our back 7 seven, “zone coverage, how does it work?”

Outside of the 3rd down percentage, the passing totals against us is fucking ridiculous. Some terrible numbers in there. JDR needs to mix up the zone coverages and packages

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With 2 supposedly top tier CB's, why are we running so much zone? Is it simply because we don't have the quality/depth (particularly at LB) to play more man coverages? And if we're playing so much zone, why aren't we zone blitzing more?

Kind of rhetorical questions I guess, as none of us are on the coaching staff...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1292631]Lake Lewis " There is not heart right now with this team"[/quote]

yeah that's pretty obvious, Sheehan said on his podcast yesterday that he thinks there's something going on internally that we don't know about. Some sort of rift between the coaches and players possibly.

This is pretty damning too, guys not giving 110%

[url]https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1442644000897441792[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1292762]yeah that's pretty obvious, Sheehan said on his podcast yesterday that he thinks there's something going on internally that we don't know about. Some sort of rift between the coaches and players possibly.

This is pretty damning too, guys not giving 110%

[url]https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1442644000897441792[/url][/quote]

My money is on Del Rio being the problem. We have the same team and technically we've added some talent to this defense. No reason why the team cannot carry over the same success they had late last season.

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I said it all offseason, this D was overrated last year. It was pretty good at times, but far from elite or dominant. They feasted on a lot of bad QB's and were usually burned by the good ones.

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Whatever the problem is Ron needs to get this shit figured out ASAP before the season spirals out of control. Far too much talent on this side of the ball for them to be getting their asses handed to them play in and play out.

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It seems Rivera saw this coming:

“If you have success and it’s premature and it builds this air about you, that’s not right: You get your butt kicked,” Rivera said this summer. “If for whatever reason we come out and say, ‘Well, we arrived, man; we got this,’ then we’re not going to get better. We’re not going to go back and learn from the basics. We’re not going to understand what it takes to get back to where we need to be.”
[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/28/washington-football-team-rebuilding/"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/28/washington-football-team-rebuilding/[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1292766]Whatever the problem is Ron needs to get this shit figured out ASAP before the season spirals out of control. Far too much talent on this side of the ball for them to be getting their asses handed to them play in and play out.[/quote]

Yeah many "experts" had them the #1 Defense .... That's a coaching issue

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[quote=Stacks42;1292768]It seems Rivera saw this coming:

“If you have success and it’s premature and it builds this air about you, that’s not right: You get your butt kicked,” Rivera said this summer. “If for whatever reason we come out and say, ‘Well, we arrived, man; we got this,’ then we’re not going to get better. We’re not going to go back and learn from the basics. We’re not going to understand what it takes to get back to where we need to be.”
[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/28/washington-football-team-rebuilding/"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/28/washington-football-team-rebuilding/[/URL][/quote]

The hungriest wolf is not the one on top of the mountain.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1292770]Yeah many "experts" had them the #1 Defense .... That's a coaching issue[/quote]

Can't put it all on the coaches though, players out there not giving 110% is just unacceptable. They get paid a lot of money, do your effing job.

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The D looks confused … now that could be coaching or there inability to grasp it .. but either is unacceptable at this level..

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[url]https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3385941/the-washington-football-team-has-a-bunch-of-talented-players-who-are-being-terribly-misused-by-jack-del-rio[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1292808][url]https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3385941/the-washington-football-team-has-a-bunch-of-talented-players-who-are-being-terribly-misused-by-jack-del-rio[/url][/quote]

If JDR is truly the problem Ron needs to shit can him asap and take over the D himself before the season spirals out of control