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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290059]I'm still baffled at the QB mismanagement of this franchise[/quote]

If you are saying we should have taken Herbert instead of Chase…you are 1000 time correct. If you disagree you are wrong period

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[quote=mooby;1290056]First of all that's a terrible nickname - step your insult game up. Secondly other than the 50 yarder he did a good job - the XP was fine and his first 3 kicks were all fine. I'm not gonna pick on him for missing a 50 yarder.[/quote]

Agree, Hopkins showed up yesterday.

O has the advantage in the first few weeks very little film footage for Ds to scheme against. chargers are a good young rising team with a leader at QB, this was going be a dog fight.

I am not overly upset few plays and calls and it could have been our day. We didn't have a GB outing.

This team needs a franchise QB; i be interested in Watson if they come to a conclusion on his tug jobs. I give up Chase young for him and some number ones.

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This is what I don’t understand…trying to convince me that cutting Moses is a good move because it’s a year before the wheels fall off and signing Leno clearly a year after the wheels have fallen off

Martin Mayhew and Ron need to own this logic.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1290061]If you are saying we should have taken Herbert instead of Chase…you are 1000 time correct. If you disagree you are wrong period[/QUOTE]Would we have taken Herbert or Tua. Probably Tua.

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[quote=mredskins;1290062]Agree, Hopkins showed up yesterday.

O has the advantage in the first few weeks very little film footage for Ds to scheme against. chargers are a good young rising team with a leader at QB, this was going be a dog fight.

I am not overly upset few plays and calls and it could have been our day. We didn't have a GB outing.

[B]This team needs a franchise QB; i be interested in Watson if they come to a conclusion on his tug jobs. I give up Chase young for him and some number ones[/B].[/quote]

This

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[quote=Chico23231;1290061]If you are saying we should have taken Herbert instead of Chase…you are 1000 time correct. If you disagree you are wrong period[/quote]

what is done is done, there will be another good QB, Chargers drafted Bosa that year and then got their QB later both played a big role yesterday in their win.

It was hard to pass on Chase.

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My big 3 takeaways:

#1 the defense is all hype right now, totally overrated
#2 Gibson's fumble was an absolute back breaker
#3 we're going to flounder around with so so QB play again this year

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My problem with yesterday is that this team looked completely unprepared to play and I blame that on Rivera. For a guy who talks so much about preparation and execution WFT didn't have either.

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[quote=Chico23231;1290065]This[/quote]

I give up chase for a cleared Watson.

I would still picked Chase over herbert/ tau at the time of the draft. chase was the sure bet.

We know what watson can do at the time of the draft herbert/tau were still question marks.

We tend to on times here make statements with the power of hindsight.

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[quote=MTK;1290067]My big 3 takeaways:

[B]#1 the defense is all hype right now, totally overrated[/B]
#2 Gibson's fumble was an absolute back breaker
#3 we're going to flounder around with so so QB play again this year[/quote]

Again first two weeks O has advantage; i think they held a decent power offense to 20 points (really 13 if not for the AG gift)

Agree on 2 and 3.

To be honest, going be unpopular, i rather have a losing record let young guys grow then have higher picks this coming draft as ammunition to get our new QB.

Watson be the quick fix.

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[quote=mredskins;1290070]I give up chase for a cleared Watson.

I would still picked Chase over herbert/ tau at the time of the draft. chase was the sure bet.

We know what watson can do at the time of the draft herbert/tau were still question marks.

We tend to on times here make statements with the power of hindsight.[/quote]


We also tend to overhype players, coaches and the team in general.

Ala “top 5 defense”

I said this before the game yesterday I said the Chargers are a playoff team. I think now that offense could be a top 5 offense. We will look back and see 20 points is one of the lowest allowed to them all year.

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[quote=irish;1290069]My problem with yesterday is that this team looked completely unprepared to play and I blame that on Rivera. For a guy who talks so much about preparation and execution WFT didn't have either.[/quote]

A rookie head coach on the other side of the field too. Ron, JDR should be embarrassed

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[quote=mooby;1290046]Very reasonable take - couple things I disagree on. [B]This offense is not good enough to win games when the d is not having a good day.[/B] And 14/18 on third downs - which ties the single game record for most third downs converted for an opposing team at Fedex - is a bad day for the D.[/quote]

Totally agree about the offense, that's why I said this loss is on Turner and the offense.

The defense largely didn't look great, especially between the 20s, but holding that team to 20 points or less should result in a win.

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If you're looking at giving up 20 points as some sort of victory for the D I don't know what game you were watching. LA basically did what they wanted all game long (gave up 424 yards), they controlled the clock especially in the 4th quarter (36 min TOP for LA), and we gave up 14/19 on 3rd downs including that 3rd and 16. Just a terrible all around performance. This is not an elite defense, hell it's not even decent right now.

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I’m not actually mad at this game. A lot of little things caused us to lose. Ron gambling, Gibson fumbling, Scherffs penalty that knocked us out of FG range.

Overall the offense looked like night and day with Heinicke in. I liked that. My main issue isn’t with them.

But that defense especially the LB and CB play was fucking clown shoes. St-Juste was garbage so was Fuller. The only LB I saw making plays was Holcomb. That shit has gotta change.

To hang in and just lose by a couple scores with that terrible defense doesn’t make me mad. It does make me seriously concerned about the D though. And I get it Herbert one of a kind player blah blah but for everyone coming in saying this D is one of the best in the league, they got completely embarrassed.


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[quote=MTK;1290077]If you're looking at giving up 20 points as some sort of victory for the D I don't know what game you were watching. LA basically did what they wanted all game long (gave up 424 yards), they controlled the clock especially in the 4th quarter (36 min TOP for LA), and we gave up 14/19 on 3rd downs including that 3rd and 16. Just a terrible all around performance. This is not an elite defense, hell it's not even decent right now.[/quote]

It could have been worse point wise. Def not a victory for the defense…the 3rd downs were the back breaker.

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Fitz may be done for good per Rap Sheet, team is waiting on an MRI today..

UNREAL

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290081]Fitz may be done for good per Rap Sheet, team is waiting on an MRI today..

UNREAL[/quote]

What is this the Kirk Cousins curse? Ever since he left we've had a big time injury bug at QB.

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[quote=MTK;1290082]What is this the Kirk Cousins curse? Ever since he left we've had a big time injury bug at QB.[/quote]

My 12 YO who happens to be a QB also was cracking up when Fitz went to the tunnel.. He says the same thing we all say.. CURSED

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Washington's highest graded players from yesterday's loss to the chargers:

- Montez Sweat (79.4)
- Terry McLaurin (78.6)
- Daron Payne (77.2)
- Jonathan Allen (76.7)

lowest graded players from yesterday's loss to the chargers:

- Benjamin St. Juste (30.6)
- Jamin Davis (36.9)
- Jon Bostic (45.9)
- Adam Humphries (46.1)

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[quote=MTK;1290077]If you're looking at giving up 20 points as some sort of victory for the D I don't know what game you were watching. LA basically did what they wanted all game long (gave up 424 yards), they controlled the clock especially in the 4th quarter (36 min TOP for LA), and we gave up 14/19 on 3rd downs including that 3rd and 16. Just a terrible all around performance. This is not an elite defense, hell it's not even decent right now.[/quote]

I watched the same game as you I'm assuming. It is obvious the defensive game plan was to not give up the big play, and keep them out of the end zone. Largely it worked, with the exception of the opening drive. If Gibson doesn't fumble on the 3 yard line, who knows... I'm sorry, giving up only 20 points should have been good enough.

Here are their possessions:
Opening drive TD
[B]Punt
Punt
FG
FG
Turnover
Turnover[/B]
TD (after WFT turnover on the 3)
End of game drive (terrible - but the D was gassed at this point)

Game 1 in the books and it's the same story as last year so far. The offense needs to get it going or it will be the same amount of wins too.

Anyway, the sky is not falling for me - but some of you might need to take cover.

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[quote=MTK;1290077]If you're looking at giving up 20 points as some sort of victory for the D I don't know what game you were watching. LA basically did what they wanted all game long (gave up 424 yards), they controlled the clock especially in the 4th quarter (36 min TOP for LA), and we gave up 14/19 on 3rd downs including that 3rd and 16. Just a terrible all around performance. This is not an elite defense, hell it's not even decent right now.[/quote]

yeah i went back and looked at the stats, you are right. It was a awful performance.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290081]Fitz may be done for good per Rap Sheet, team is waiting on an MRI today..

UNREAL[/quote]

Tyler looked much better, Fitz was always just a band aid. I literally could careless if he comes back or not.

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Fitz had way too small of a sample to really tell how he was going to look in this offense. TH to me was eh. He's ok but nothing spectacular. Hopefully with some first team reps he'll be better prepared for Thurs. Either way it's clear QB is going to be an issue again this year. Probably won't be long until Kyle Allen gets in there, and then probably some guy we'll sign off the street.

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It is unreal .. curse of the QB , I know it’s going way back but Thiesman broke leg , RG lll , Alex smith broke leg , Colt McCoy leg, now Fitz … that is crazy .. possible Three career ending injuries.. How the heck does Brady stay healthy?

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1290089]It is unreal .. curse of the QB , I know it’s going way back but Thiesman broke leg , RG lll , Alex smith broke leg , Colt McCoy leg, now Fitz … that is crazy .. possible Three career ending injuries.. How the heck does Brady stay healthy?[/QUOTE]


He’s got a better line. Leno and Cosmi were getting worked all game.


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[quote=mredskins;1290086]yeah i went back and looked at the stats, you are right. It was a awful performance.[/quote]

Stats don't tell the whole story.

Look at the Rams/Bears. Rams got two turnovers, Bears won time of possession at a 2-1 click, and had 322 yards of offense. Sound familiar? The difference is the Rams offense can move the ball down the field consistently, and they can score TDs. The WFT offense has not shown that they can do either under Turner.

Maybe that will change with Heinicke, I don't know.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290081]Fitz may be done for good per Rap Sheet, team is waiting on an MRI today..

UNREAL[/quote]

Crazy. We must have an indian burial ground underneath Fedex or something.

If anyone has seen that play where he got injured does Leno give anybody confidence he can stop the same thing from happening to Heinicke? Heinicke can bulk up all he wants - it won't matter if Leno is still as bad as he was yesterday.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1290091]Stats don't tell the whole story.

Look at the Rams/Bears. Rams got two turnovers, Bears won time of possession at a 2-1 click, and had 322 yards of offense. Sound familiar? The difference is the Rams offense can move the ball down the field consistently, and they can score TDs. The WFT offense has not shown that they can do either under Turner.

Maybe that will change with Heinicke, I don't know.[/quote]

Can't we just say both the defense and the offense stunk yesterday?

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[quote=rocnrik;1290089]It is unreal .. curse of the QB , I know it’s going way back but Thiesman broke leg , RG lll , Alex smith broke leg , Colt McCoy leg, now Fitz … that is crazy .. possible Three career ending injuries.. How the heck does Brady stay healthy?[/quote]

Cousins stayed healthy too and still does. It's a combo of horrible luck and old ass QBs

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[QUOTE=MTK;1290093]Can't we just say both the defense and the offense stunk yesterday?[/QUOTE]


Hard not to.

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[quote=MTK;1290093]Can't we just say both the defense and the offense stunk yesterday?[/quote]

AGREE

With that said it was still a winnable game which should spark some hope.


IDK just trying to be positive, it was typical WFT day lose and lose your QB1 for the season to start the season.

It is just hard to enjoy the NFL with such a miserable team.

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I would like to see more of Cam Sims. He is the one big wr that we have. Why not throw him some jump balls like they did to us?

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[quote=MTK;1290093]Can't we just say both the defense and the offense stunk yesterday?[/quote]

Yeah sure, we can say that if you want. But the reality is, one side of the ball did enough to win, and the other did not.

I'm just not ready to say that this is a bad defense after one game. The offense on the other hand, has shown the same thing for the last 21 games, so I'm much more comfortable saying that the offense stinks.

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It's a long ass season, 16 more to go. Plenty of time to right the ship. But yesterday they simply weren't good enough on either side of the ball.

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[quote=MTK;1290077]If you're looking at giving up 20 points as some sort of victory for the D I don't know what game you were watching. LA basically did what they wanted all game long (gave up 424 yards), they controlled the clock especially in the 4th quarter (36 min TOP for LA), and we gave up 14/19 on 3rd downs including that 3rd and 16. Just a terrible all around performance. This is not an elite defense, hell it's not even decent right now.[/quote]

This.... That " we only gave up 13 points" is just loser talk.

Those guys on defense were so weak. I watched that Saints game and that was a real defense that I saw. They dominated a top offense.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290095]Cousins stayed healthy too and still does. It's a combo of horrible luck and old ass QBs[/quote]

No disrespect to Alex Smith or Fitzpatrick - but we keep putting our faith in these senior citizen qb's expecting them to continue their career path of staying relatively healthy. When there's a very valid reason teams don't build around older players in general - you get older and it's harder to stay healthy.

Fitzpatrick was meant to be a gap solution and now he's not even that.

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We're only going as far as the defense can take us this year. And they continue to show that against a top tier offense, they are easily overwhelmed. And the QB gauntlet on the schedule is only going to get tougher, Herbert was just the beginning.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1290084]Washington's highest graded players from yesterday's loss to the chargers:

- Montez Sweat (79.4)
- Terry McLaurin (78.6)
- Daron Payne (77.2)
- Jonathan Allen (76.7)

lowest graded players from yesterday's loss to the chargers:

- Benjamin St. Juste (30.6)
- Jamin Davis (36.9)
- Jon Bostic (45.9)
- Adam Humphries (46.1)[/quote]

Can u post Oline grades?

Giving a pass to rookies

But can someone please tell me why Bostic is on the team?

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Also there is no way you can tell me #25 is better than Moreland. I know he's a rookie but wow he stinks.