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"From what I have been told, Washington is not interested in Cam"

JP

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278079]"From what I have been told, Washington is not interested in Cam"

JP[/quote]

Good, but not surprising: Ron likes to hire people he's comfortable with, doesn't mean he's gonna make shitty football decisions because of it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278079]"From what I have been told, Washington is not interested in Cam"

JP[/quote]

Good.

I bet they have their eyes on Mariota and are just waiting to see what the Raiders do. Raiders probably asked for too much initially which is why nothing has happened, but they will eventually have no choice but to bring their price down, or release him and get nothing.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278029]That's a huge chunk, take away 10M of that for Cam tho[/quote]

Why? Cam didn't make anywhere near that in 2020, and he had a bad year. His base salary was $1.05M, and with the incentives he earned, his 2020 total salary was $3.706M. No reason on earth to offer him ten million.

[url]https://247sports.com/Article/Cam-Newton-New-England-Patriots-2020-salary-revealed-free-agent-Bill-Belichick--157804033/[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1278073]The best option for the Raiders would be to include Carr in a deal to get RW.[/quote]

Wilson is 32 and a total prima donna. His best years are behind him and he is much more concerned about his brand than the game. He doesn't have the height to read the middle of the field over OL, and has no appreciation or gratitude for Carroll constantly scheming around this deficiency.

These players who make King's Ransoms and think they have the right to be GM or act like owners. They are employees, not management. Wilson is trying the same game Watson is, talking his way out of town after signing a HUGE deal. Wilson is halfway through a 4-year deal he signed less than 2 years ago. It paid him $140M total, $65M signing bonus, $107M guaranteed, and $35M annually. Is it too much to ask for one these a-holes to play out their mega-deals. Wilson sure wasn't whining when he made $70M in 2019, was he? That huge bonus represented a LONG term commitment by the team, and means cutting or trading Wilson hoses their cap, would be $26M dead money if they traded him. What loyalty does the team get for backing up the Brinks truck? None. These guys are total HOLES.

Wilson isn't worth 3 #1s, and that is what it would take minimum.

For $35M a year, the asshole can't just come to work and do his job without assuming he should be managing the company? I mean Jeez. . .

The cap is $180M this year, meaning the dead money is about 15% of their cap, unless they hose themselves for two years. All these hypothetical trades are ludicrous. Seattle isn't going to hose their cap that bad. Wilson is too much of a money grubber to hold out, but given Wilson's age and how massively overrated he is especially in his own mind--he is good but is not Rodgers or Mahomes--Seattle might bite on a ludicrous offer. If they get firsts that would allow them to draft a premier young QB, they might decide to rebuild. Of course, Wilson's big complaint is not enough WRs and linemen, and that Seattle should use pass first O rather than using what Carroll prefers, M. Lynch type run-first. So going to a team with no high draft picks until he is 35 or 36 isn't going to help his situation. If Wilson wanted to pick his place, he should have said no to the $65M bonus and played somewhere for $15M a year less, but he had no interest in that. Another cancer of a player no one should trade for. The reality is that Wilson hasn't won anything since Lynch and Legion of Boom declined or left. He is very good, but not nearly as great as he thinks. He has some AWFUL games where you need a pitch counter to track his INTs, and not just a few of them.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1278079]"From what I have been told, Washington is not interested in Cam"

JP[/quote]

This is not surprising. Hopefully people will stop getting their panties in a bunch complaining about Cam, as though he is coming here.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1278086]This is not surprising. Hopefully people will stop getting their panties in a bunch complaining about Cam, as though he is coming here.[/quote]

I think it's very telling that RR and this coaching staff want no part of Cam. Didn't want him last year for $1+Mil, and don't want him this year.

It's probably actually driving the market for his services even further into the ground.

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off season threads are brutal.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278089]I think it's very telling that RR and this coaching staff want no part of Cam. Didn't want him last year for $1+Mil, and don't want him this year.

It's probably actually driving the market for his services even further into the ground.[/quote]

Cam is probably going to be in the back up QB market, with the likes of Tyrod Taylor, Andy Dalton, etc., etc.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1278090]off season threads are brutal.[/quote]

You don't like arguing over rumors and speculation? lol

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So according to Schefty, here are the teams RW would consider if he were to be traded (according to his agent):

Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, or Bears.

The Cowpukes have no money, an aging offensive line, and a terrible defense. I think RWs agent is smoking something.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1278096]So according to Schefty, here are the teams RW would consider if he were to be traded (according to his agent):

Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, or Bears.

The Cowpukes have no money, an aging offensive line, and a terrible defense. I think RWs agent is smoking something.[/quote]

Once again that makes no sense to say NO to WSH...But o well we need our own guy anyway

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278097]Once again that makes no sense to say NO to WSH...But o well we need our own guy anyway[/quote]

Maybe because he knows he can't come in here and push to have a say in front office stuff like he wants.

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[quote=MTK;1278098]Maybe because he knows he can't come in here and push to have a say in front office stuff like he wants.[/quote]

Maybe but even Watson's camp never mentioned us.. Young team with a bunch of upside, great staff. They are missing out

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278076]Rivera's a dinosaur?[/quote]

He's too old school and defense minded to attract a young and dynamic player like DW.

I do agree that RW wants to go to a team and have a say in how things are run and there's no way RR would ever go for that.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278099]Maybe but even Watson's camp never mentioned us.. Young team with a bunch of upside, great staff. They are missing out[/quote]

With RW, I'm not saying he should come here or have us as a destination. But it just astounds me that the Cowpukes and Jets are options for the likes of Watson and Wilson, with how bad those teams are either in personnel (Jets) or cap space (Cowpukes).

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278099]Maybe but even Watson's camp never mentioned us.. Young team with a bunch of upside, great staff. They are missing out[/quote]

Snyder

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[quote=MTK;1278077]^ Yeah not sure I get that either. Ron is a player's coach and is pretty widely respected.[/quote]

That's all true but I'm talking about how offenses are run in the modern NFL. Rivera is too old school to attract a dynamic young free agent QB.

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[quote=irish;1278103]That's all true but I'm talking about how offenses are run in the modern NFL. Rivera is too old school to attract a dynamic young free agent QB.[/quote]

This is Scott Turner's offense. What about it looked old school last year?

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[QUOTE=irish;1278103]That's all true but I'm talking about how offenses are run in the modern NFL. Rivera is too old school to attract a dynamic young free agent QB.[/QUOTE]That is silly, Cam in his prime was a forerunner of the dynamic qb style. I do think the lack of desire to come here has to do with Snyder, the TW situation, and not knowing if it really is a new day in our FO.

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Per sources, Texans QB Deshaun Watson met with new Texans head coach David Culley last Friday. In that meeting Watson reiterated that he wants to be traded and told Culley he has no intention of playing for the Texans again. No change from Watson's end. He remains dug in.

ESPN

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This franchise is barely one year removed from being THE most dysfunctional organization and the laughing stock of the NFL. While it is possible the organization in the process of turning a corner, there's still a lot of question marks with Snyder and his antics over the years, ownership questions, sexual harrassment claims, the cheerleader debacle, TW, no name, etc. I don't see this team as one of the top destinations for free agents. Maybe next year, if they are able to build on last year's successes (and Snyder doesn't draft another QB) players will look at it as a desirable destination, but I don't think we're there yet.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278112]This franchise is barely one year removed from being THE most dysfunctional organization and the laughing stock of the NFL. While it is possible that it is in the process of turning a corner, but there's still a lot of question marks with Snyder and his antics over the years, ownership questions, sexual harrassment claims, the cheerleader debacle, TW, no name, etc. I don't see this team as one of the top destinations for free agents. Maybe next year, if they are able to build on last year's successes (and Snyder doesn't draft another QB) players will look at it as a desirable destination, but I don't think we're there yet.[/quote]

Yep, unfortunately. I think it will take 2-3 years for the team to show everyone it has changed for the better, assuming the issues with Snyder is resolved one way or other.

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Just draft our guy

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1278112]This franchise is barely one year removed from being THE most dysfunctional organization and the laughing stock of the NFL. While it is possible the organization in the process of turning a corner, there's still a lot of question marks with Snyder and his antics over the years, ownership questions, sexual harrassment claims, the cheerleader debacle, TW, no name, etc. I don't see this team as one of the top destinations for free agents. Maybe next year, if they are able to build on last year's successes (and Snyder doesn't draft another QB) players will look at it as a desirable destination, but I don't think we're there yet.[/QUOTE]This

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278112]This franchise is barely one year removed from being THE most dysfunctional organization and the laughing stock of the NFL. While it is possible the organization in the process of turning a corner, there's still a lot of question marks with Snyder and his antics over the years, ownership questions, sexual harrassment claims, the cheerleader debacle, TW, no name, etc. I don't see this team as one of the top destinations for free agents. Maybe next year, if they are able to build on last year's successes (and Snyder doesn't draft another QB) players will look at it as a desirable destination, but I don't think we're there yet.[/quote]

The Jets have been a shit show for the past couple of seasons as well, yet they still garner attention for some reason.

I definitely agree with your points above, I just don't get how a team like the Jets all of the sudden is a hot commodity.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1278090]off season threads are brutal.[/quote]


Yep.

But I still read 'em.

Even the long ass unabomber styled manifesto posts.

:laughing2

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1278121]

Even the long ass unabomber styled manifesto posts. [/quote]


Haha! That was rather funny.

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Hot take. Texans and Seahawks are going to trade Watson and Wilson straight up. Fresh start. Win win.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1278123]Hot take. Texans and Seahawks are going to trade Watson and Wilson straight up. Fresh start. Win win.[/quote]


Actually, Seattle would crush with that trade ... Wilson is 6 or 7 years older than Watson.

Watson throwing to D K Metcalf .... dayum. D K would jump into the top 3 WR's in the league.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1278124]Actually, Seattle would crush with that trade ... Wilson is 6 or 7 years older than Watson.

Watson throwing to D K Metcalf .... dayum. D K would jump into the top 3 WR's in the league.[/quote]

True fact. Wilson and a 3rd for Watson. But then Wilson would be salty he didn’t get valued as an equal in the trade and then refuses to suit up.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1278118]The Jets have been a shit show for the past couple of seasons as well, yet they still garner attention for some reason.

I definitely agree with your points above, I just don't get how a team like the Jets all of the sudden is a hot commodity.[/quote]

Players love NYC baby. One of most fun and glamorous cities in America.

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Jets Garner attention by media in absurd trade proposals, and have overpaid some FAs horrifically, agents influence media and mention jets hoping they can get them to pay out another stupid deal.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278099]Maybe but even Watson's camp never mentioned us.. Young team with a bunch of upside, great staff. They are missing out[/quote]

No they aren't. We are a mediocre team at best right now. We beat one winning team squeaked into playoffs with losing record, got soundly beaten, and still have one of 3 worst owners in NFL. The expectation of league insiders is that in 2 years or so Snyder will revert to his mean (standard or typical) behavior. Only Homer fans are oblivious to how Snyder and the Skins are viewed by the league insiders. It would take at least five years for any hope of this stigma going away. People thinking of coming here get on the phone with Shannys, Gruden, Williams, etc., and hear the real story of what actually goes on here. The basic approach of the best players is, why chance it? I can go to a team without a turd owner, why take the chance that Redskins remain what they have always been under Snyder, and be stuck there 4 years+? There are at least a dozen well-run teams in league with NONE of the myriad dysfunction has plagued Skins every level, they are much sounder choices than us. I wish that weren't the reality, but it is. We are at least one more year, maybe 2, from being free and clear of the bad decisions of past regimes, especially the horrible Smith contract and dead money thereof. Maybe the league strips Skins of draft picks after Snyder investigation? Etc.

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[quote=Scalper;1278130]No they aren't. We are a mediocre team at best right now. We beat one winning team squeaked into playoffs with losing record, got soundly beaten, and still have one of 3 worst owners in NFL. The expectation of league insiders is that in 2 years or so Snyder will revert to his mean (standard or typical) behavior. Only Homer fans are oblivious to how Snyder and the Skins are viewed by the league insiders. It would take at least five years for any hope of this stigma going away. People thinking of coming here get on the phone with Shannys, Gruden, Williams, etc., and hear the real story of what actually goes on here. The basic approach of the best players is, why chance it? I can go to a team without a turd owner, why take the chance that Redskins remain what they have always been under Snyder, and be stuck there 4 years+? There are at least a dozen well-run teams in league with NONE of the myriad dysfunction has plagued Skins every level, they are much sounder choices than us. I wish that weren't the reality, but it is. We are at least one more year, maybe 2, from being free and clear of the bad decisions of past regimes, especially the horrible Smith contract and dead money thereof. Maybe the league strips Skins of draft picks after Snyder investigation? Etc.[/quote]

WaY tO gO nEgAtIvE nAnCY

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1278105]That is silly, Cam in his prime was a forerunner of the dynamic qb style. I do think the lack of desire to come here has to do with Snyder, the TW situation, and not knowing if it really is a new day in our FO.

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Cam is definitely all those things yet in the 9 years RR had one of the best QBs in the league he only made the playoffs 4 times and 2 of those were one and done. Cam came along about 10 years too early. Had Cam come along now with coaches who know how to scheme and game plan for the skill set a dynamic QB like Cam brings to the table it would be Mahommes only 2 inches and 15 lbs heavier.

I do agree DS also plays a role in players hesitating to come here. Even if a QB wanted to come here and play, with how unstable this organization has been it seems like a gamble these QBs aren't willing to take.

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If you don't think this team is on the rise then you will never be satisfied... The youth and star power on the defense alone has everyone around the league/media talking

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[quote=Scalper;1278130]No they aren't. We are a mediocre team at best right now. We beat one winning team squeaked into playoffs with losing record, got soundly beaten, and still have one of 3 worst owners in NFL. The expectation of league insiders is that in 2 years or so Snyder will revert to his mean (standard or typical) behavior. Only Homer fans are oblivious to how Snyder and the Skins are viewed by the league insiders. It would take at least five years for any hope of this stigma going away. People thinking of coming here get on the phone with Shannys, Gruden, Williams, etc., and hear the real story of what actually goes on here. The basic approach of the best players is, why chance it? I can go to a team without a turd owner, why take the chance that Redskins remain what they have always been under Snyder, and be stuck there 4 years+? There are at least a dozen well-run teams in league with NONE of the myriad dysfunction has plagued Skins every level, they are much sounder choices than us. I wish that weren't the reality, but it is. We are at least one more year, maybe 2, from being free and clear of the bad decisions of past regimes, especially the horrible Smith contract and dead money thereof. Maybe the league strips Skins of draft picks after Snyder investigation? Etc.[/quote]

^^This.

This is a mediocre team at best but since they made the playoff everyone seems to forget that this team really wasn't very good. I know its early for 2021 predictions but if this team gets to 7-9 it will be another "successful" season.

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[quote=irish;1278139]^^This.

This is a mediocre team at best but since they made the playoff everyone seems to forget that this team really wasn't very good. I know its early for 2021 predictions but if this team gets to 7-9 it will be another "successful" season.[/quote]

They were 5-1 with a one legged old Alex Smith... The reason they sucked in the beginning was 100% all on Haskins. Also they swept Dallas and Philly and deserved the division. Yeah it sucked but someone had to win it and they did, it's like our fanbase will never be satisfied even after YEARS of suck, I'm happy as hell to make the playoffs.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278141]They were 5-1 with a one legged old Alex Smith... The reason they sucked in the beginning was 100% all on Haskins. Also they swept Dallas and Philly and deserved the division. Yeah it sucked but someone had to win it and they did, it's like our fanbase will never be satisfied even after YEARS of suck, I'm happy as hell to make the playoffs.[/quote]

It's going to take a little more sustained success to win everyone over. I get the hesitation by some, but at the same time there are a lot of positive things to build on no doubt.