Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

It's pretty simple, the kid was a #22 drafted QB overall in the 1st round. That's it. He should be paid accordingly to that pick and length of contract, no more or less.

If he think's in his own mind he should have gone top 10 and recieve that type cash, well then reality set's in, he didn't.

If he doesn't like the deal and where he was picked in the draft TUFF SHIT, he's gonna end up ridding the pine. The best thing the kid can do for himself is sign a fair deal for his #22 late round draft spot and get to work.

Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

Gotta go with the majority opinion on this page at least. Brady Quinn better get as much money as he can right now. Can anyone say "Jake Plummer Light" as in that would be his upside if he could develop into a watered down version of Plummer. The downside is playing out before our eyes. He is going to get burried on the depth chart and instead of working on his game and going to the film room he will be spending most of his time counting his loot Rod Strickland style.

Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;336137]But then they would have a QB that isn't really a NFL prospect instead of a potential franchise cornerstone. That's a lot worse.[/quote]
How is that worse? Why is he a potential franchise cornerstone, and Troy Smith isn't? Is it because he played for Charlie Wiess? The guy hasn't won squat! It's not too difficult to play that cupcake ND schedule and put up numbers. Troy Smith is a winner, and a hometown kid who wanted to go to Cleveland. He would be in camp.
As I recall, Ryan Leaf was a potential franchise cornerstone too.

Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

pay like the 22nd pick becuase that is what he was picked as, he does not deserve anymore or anyless. That seams pretty fair in my book he could have gone a lot farther if the browns had not taken him. I think he should feel lucky that he got picked at all in the first round becuase for a little while I really thought he might go in the 2nd.

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[quote=Crat92;336300]How is that worse? Why is he a potential franchise cornerstone, and Troy Smith isn't? Is it because he played for Charlie Wiess? The guy hasn't won squat! It's not too difficult to play that cupcake ND schedule and put up numbers. Troy Smith is a winner, and a hometown kid who wanted to go to Cleveland. He would be in camp.
As I recall, Ryan Leaf was a potential franchise cornerstone too.[/quote]Quinn's going to be good. I think he'll be very good. Some think he'll never reach the pro bowl level, and thats more than reasonable. But I have to question your knowledge of the game if you are comparing Brady Quinn to Ryan Leaf. There are no similarities.

You're essentially saying that the last pick of the 5th round is a better prospect than a guy who up until 3 days before the draft was neck and neck for the first pick. As the saying goes "you're off your rocker!"

Do I know for certain that Troy Smith won't be the next Donovan McNabb? No, I do not. Can I be more than reasonably sure that he's not the prospect Quinn is? Yes, yes I can.

And what's with this "winner" crap? Are you saying that if the Ravens put Troy Smith in at QB, they will automatically beat up on teams like Ohio State did because...Troy Smith has an aura?! Dude, that's non-analysis at its best.

Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

I will say this. Troy Smith was every bit as good a college QB as Brady Quinn, if not better. What does Brady Quinn do better than Troy Smith?

Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;336326]I will say this. Troy Smith was every bit as good a college QB as Brady Quinn, if not better. What does Brady Quinn do better than Troy Smith?[/quote]


Well, that's a entirely different argument right there. But in a nutshell, just from a physical standpoint, Brady is more of a pro-style quarterback than Troy Smith.

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brady is more ready to play in the pros than troy smith. Only thing smith has that brady doesnt is alot more mobilty.

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[quote=skinsfan69;336326]I will say this. Troy Smith was every bit as good a college QB as Brady Quinn, if not better. What does Brady Quinn do better than Troy Smith?[/quote]Has height, unlike Smith. Is a good NFL prospect, unlike Smith.

Troy Smith had a better 2006 season than Quinn and deserved the Heismann. But when comparing their careers, its not even close. Brady Quinn was better in every season prior to 2006 than Smith. Every one. That's called sample size.

It's reasonable to say if the 2006 NCAA season was done over again, Quinn would probably have the better season. When theres only 13 games to be played, anything can happen.

I think part of the reason Smith wasn't a great prospect was because it was, ya know, too little too late. One great season does not a prospect make. Ask Akili Smith.

The first team that was willing to even spend a pick on him was Baltimore with the last pick in the 5th round. At that point, hes a great value. But as they say, you get what you pay for (most of the time).

Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

The NFL is a very weird place. I mean JaMarcus Russell was the #1 pick and he only played two seasons at LSU. It's all about intangibles and potential and I'm afraid both Quinn and Smith are lacking in that department. Particularity Smith because of his odd throwing style and height. As for Quinn, he's all hype rubber stamped with ND logo.

Only time will tell who's going to be a decent NFL QB.

Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;336373]Has height, unlike Smith. Is a good NFL prospect, unlike Smith.

Troy Smith had a better 2006 season than Quinn and deserved the Heismann. But when comparing their careers, its not even close. Brady Quinn was better in every season prior to 2006 than Smith. Every one. That's called sample size.

It's reasonable to say if the 2006 NCAA season was done over again, Quinn would probably have the better season. When theres only 13 games to be played, anything can happen.

I think part of the reason Smith wasn't a great prospect was because it was, ya know, too little too late. One great season does not a prospect make. Ask Akili Smith.

The first team that was willing to even spend a pick on him was Baltimore with the last pick in the 5th round. At that point, hes a great value. But as they say, you get what you pay for (most of the time).[/quote]

So why is Quinn better? Just cause he threw it all over the place does not make him better. He just played in a pass heavy offense.

Is Quinn a better pro prospect becasue he is 6'3? That does not make him better, just taller.. From what I saw, Smith can make every throw Quinn can make. OSU ran lots of spread formations, 4-5 WR sets and Smith was making all the NFL throws from the pocket. So again, why is he being downgraded by scouts? Is it because of his height? If so that is ridicules.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;336337]brady is more ready to play in the pros than troy smith. Only thing smith has that brady doesnt is alot more mobilty.[/quote]

Did you watch any OSU games the last two years? The guy was one of the best QB's in the country. He played in a spread offense and made all the throws. So how is Quinn more ready? Because of Weiss? I think it's a bunch of hype. Time will tell.

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yea also he had a great defense that put him a postion to succeed. Brady didnt. Yes time will tell. Brady will be in the NFL longer than troy smith. Also he shorter and his arm is not as good as brady.

Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;336399]yea also he had a great defense that put him a postion to succeed. Brady didnt. Yes time will tell. Brady will be in the NFL longer than troy smith. Also he shorter and his arm is not as good as brady.[/quote]


Brady has an arm? That's news to me.

Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?
 

[quote=saden1;336419][B]Brady has an arm? That's news to me[/B].[/quote]

lol
Quinn will be good ONE DAY....