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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;356693]Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.[/quote]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. If Betts scores and we win in OT then, at 3-0, the same people are high-fiving and shouting praise. Some things went well, some didn't.
21-0 in second half is unacceptable. Same game plan won in Philly and they hung 56 on Detroit (should have been more but they took pity). Everything that went well the first 2 weeks (3rd down conversion and 3rd down stops) didn't in the second half. Gotta think with 77 & 76 on the right that ratio would've improved.

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[quote=Southpaw;356692]As I pointed out in the Portis thread, it was a muffed hand off. Portis never had possession. It's a little different than breaking a 30 yard run and getting stripped from behind.

And yeah, Portis sucked yesterday... He only had 4.3 per carry and a touchdown. Betts was just spectacular with his 1.3 yard average and failed goal line attempts...[/quote]

It was not a muffed handoff. That fumble was 100% on CP. Portis clinched down on the ball with his hands. You never ever do that on hand offs. You let the QB place the ball in your gut. Football 101. This is the stuff you do over and over again in practice, minicamps, OTA's and so on. Oh yeah, CP didn't participate in any of that stuff. He's too good for that.

Look, I'm not making this a Portis/Betts thing. CP is the better player. But I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for the guy like you are. When he screws up he deserves to get ripped. He screwed up yesterday and as a veteran he should not makes those mistakes.

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It's hard to defend Gibb's based on what he has accomplished in his second tenure....i agree....but that does not mean you can't keep the faith...I have never agreed with changing coaches BECAUSE CHANGE DOESNT WORK AND DANIEL SNYDER NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT. Improving your team helps...year to year.....(draft picks) but changing things...especiallly the coach just puts you back to where you started. We changed QB's from Brunell to JC, which I agreed with...but that means we are starting over again and it will take some time. The fans have been patient....and Dan Snyder is starting to show patience...and with this patience wins will come.

JC looked fine.....Gibbs will figure things out....and we will once again become a winning franchise. As long as Snyder doesn't interfere

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[quote=The Zimmermans;356718]It's hard to defend Gibb's based on what he has accomplished in his second tenure....i agree....but that does not mean you can't keep the faith...I have never agreed with changing coaches BECAUSE CHANGE DOESNT WORK AND DANIEL SNYDER NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT. Improving your team helps...year to year.....(draft picks) but changing things...especiallly the coach just puts you back to where you started. We changed QB's from Brunell to JC, which I agreed with...but that means we are starting over again and it will take some time. The fans have been patient....and Dan Snyder is starting to show patience...and with this patience wins will come.

JC looked fine.....Gibbs will figure things out....and we will once again become a winning franchise. As long as Snyder doesn't interfere[/quote]

are you one of the many zimmerman's that grew up in burtonsville? cloverly elementary school? etc?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;356693]Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.[/QUOTE]

Thank you! Well put, Sheriff.

Look, we are not the pats. We are not the skins of 91. We are a team trying to get better from a 5 win season with a new QB and a injury hit Oline. We're gonna have days like this! The question is, do we get better from them, or do we loose confidence. Good teams get up from tough losses and get the next win. And I am confident that the staff we have and the team we have will look long and hard at this game film over the next two weeks, and grow and move forward. This is what an 8-8, 9/7 wildcard hopeful looks like. And that's what we are, optimistically speaking.

We blew it. No two ways about it. And there are lots of reasons. I felt part of it was playcalling too, but sometimes you can call the right play, and the players can fail to execute. Which one of you has looked at the tapes, figured out what the play was supposed to do, and THEN concluded that the play calling sucked?

Hindsight is 20/20, y'all. Now calm down.

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nah, just a fan of ryan zimmerman, plus ryan is my first name too

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BTW, I didn't mean to say that people shouldn't express their criticisms of the team and just cheer. In fact, this site would be quite boring without differing opinions about playcalls, play execution, etc. However, there is a world of a difference between airing legitimate concerns in an articulate fashion and just plain whining.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;356693]Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.[/quote]

Sheriff.... We only have 16 games and people are pissed because of the way we lost. We probably have more coaches that make more money then any other staff in the history of the NFL. Along with the fact that we have made the playoffs 2 times in the last 14 years. Why aren't we scoring more points? Even against Miami. That game should not have even been close. Miami's defense has gotten killed the last two weeks. The Jets dropped 31 on them with a noddle armed QB Chad Pennington. It's getting old. And when I see that we have a great deep thrower, and I see all these short dink passes ( for the most part) in the 2nd half it pisses me off. I don't care if JC is a young qb. Other young QB's play in more wide open offenses. Look at Romo last night??? Is he that much better than JC??

Something else that no one is talking about is why we didn't we try and get 7 at the end of the half? We had plenty of time to push it down the field but instead we ran the ball and kicked the FG.

If the Giants were the Patriots then it's a different story. You probably wouldn't have all the bitching and moaning cause they are just better. But they were the last ranked defense that got torched by the Packers who have young wr's and a young O-line. That loss is simply on the coaches and it's unacceptable for this coaching staff with all the experience they have.

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[quote=hooskins;356189]Hm, this thread is going to go downhill fast.[/quote]

Gibbs is not perfect, but he is an outstanding coach and hall of famer. IMO he is our best long term chance for us to advance beyond the playoffs.

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[quote=DCborn;356736]Gibbs is not perfect, but he is an outstanding coach and hall of famer. IMO he is our best long term chance for us to advance beyond the playoffs.[/quote]

I don't know about that. I love the guy but when I see the same shit over and over again I'm starting to wonder.

If you bring in a guy to run the offense then let him do it his way. Otherwise why bring him in here?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;356741]I don't know about that. I love the guy but when I see the same shit over and over again I'm starting to wonder.

If you bring in a guy to run the offense then let him do it his way. Otherwise why bring him in here?[/QUOTE]

Cowboys fans felt the same way about Parcells' offense - they wanted an attacking, aggressive "go for the throat" offense. Who doesn't want that offense? I don't know of many fans or coaches who say, "I want a boring, conservative offense that scores as few points as possible to win." I'm sure Gibbs would love to score 50 points per game.

But, don't you think there is a real reason why we are not scoring so many points? Both Al Saunders and Gibbs I are known for high-scoring offenses. Right now we're simply not getting it done. Saunders and/or Gibbs have really opened up this offense and are calling FAR more deep-balls than I have seen in quite some time. We were throwing the ball in the second half as though there was some rule against running.

The fact is, we are an offense that is much better than we were through most of last year. We are attacking teams downfield. Portis, a beneficiary of the more open passing game, is averaging 4.7 a pop. We are just a few steps away from doing great things. How many times have you seen good protection and a decent 50 yard pass by JC, only to watch it sail a few yards in front of the receiver? I've seen that happen a bunch of times in just three games (e.g., the "kill shot" in the Eagles game to Moss that sailed on Jason).

Give the offense time (particularly JC) and I am highly confident that things will dramatically improve. I can practically smell the explosiveness and I'm suprised no one else seems to, even if we are misfiring. I just hope things get turned around before the midway point of the season.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;356749]Cowboys fans felt the same way about Parcells' offense - they wanted an attacking, aggressive "go for the throat" offense. Who doesn't want that offense? I don't know of many fans or coaches who say, "I want a boring, conservative offense that scores as few points as possible to win." I'm sure Gibbs would love to score 50 points per game.

But, don't you think there is a real reason why we are not scoring so many points? Both Al Saunders and Gibbs I are known for high-scoring offenses. Right now we're simply not getting it done. Saunders and/or Gibbs have really opened up this offense and are calling FAR more deep-balls than I have seen in quite some time. We were throwing the ball in the second half as though there was some rule against running.

The fact is, we are an offense that is much better than we were through most of last year. We are attacking teams downfield. Portis, a beneficiary of the more open passing game, is averaging 4.7 a pop. We are just a few steps away from doing great things. How many times have you seen good protection and a decent 50 yard pass by JC, only to watch it sail a few yards in front of the receiver? I've seen that happen a bunch of times in just three games (e.g., the "kill shot" in the Eagles game to Moss that sailed on Jason).

Give the offense time (particularly JC) and I am highly confident that things will dramatically improve. I can practically smell the explosiveness and I'm suprised no one else seems to, even if we are misfiring. I just hope things get turned around before the midway point of the season.[/quote]

I think that people are seeing what campbell can do when given the chance....and they feel he wasn't given that chance on 1st and 2nd down when the game was slipping away....but I agree, we are seeing some good things out of this offense...we just had one really really horrendous half

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;356693]Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.[/QUOTE]

See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did [B]yesterday.[/B] I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;356693]Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? [B]Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win.[/B] Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.[/quote]

Seems that those that complain the most after a loss typically have [U]nothing[/U] to say after a win. I swear some people just relish a loss so they can play armchair GM/Coach/QB all week.

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[quote=skinsfan69;356715]It was not a muffed handoff. That fumble was 100% on CP. Portis clinched down on the ball with his hands. You never ever do that on hand offs. You let the QB place the ball in your gut. Football 101. This is the stuff you do over and over again in practice, minicamps, OTA's and so on. Oh yeah, CP didn't participate in any of that stuff. He's too good for that.[/quote]

A muffed handoff, bad exchange, whatever you want to call it, but it was not 100% Portis. Campbell seemed to be quite a distance away from Portis when he was making the handoff, which obviously shouldn't have been the case.

And I'm not excusing Portis from blame at all. That was a horribly executed play. My point to you is, Portis fumbling has nothing to do with Betts' inability to get into the endzone, in two attempts from the one yard line.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;356753]See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did [B]yesterday.[/B] I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]

Fair points. I didn't mean to attack everyone who had something negative to say about some aspect of the game. I also tried, in a subsequent post, to clarify that my post was not directed towards those who make their points calmly and with some serious thought/analysis. My post was solely aimed at those who have nothing meaningful to add to these discussions.

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[quote=Mattyk72;356758]Seems that those that complain the most after a loss typically have [U]nothing[/U] to say after a win. I swear some people just relish a loss so they can play armchair GM/Coach/QB all week.[/quote]
I like to play armchair GM/Coach/QB no matter what. (I'm not talking like you directed this towards me, and I don't think you did, but I'm just saying) It's part of being a fan. I love football to death. I mean what else would we do... "We're awesome", and "We suck". Is about all that would come out.

I'm particularly vocal about yesterdays lost because I'm home sick. Like not home-sick, but home... ill. Yeah.

Nasty flu bug hit me, and I haven't been able to sleep, eat much, or ...uhh.. retain fluids very well. I'm debating missing my second day of work, not because I'm still violently ill, but because some people I've been hanging out with have contracted it from me. I guess I'll just go to work and tell them to make the call.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;356753]See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did [B]yesterday.[/B] I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]

Well, I think (and SGG alluded to this) it's perfectly ok to be upset and be critical. And there's been some good discussion here no doubt, if you filter through the b.s. But rational critiques is all we're asking for.

To blame a fumble on playcalling is not rational, to say F Gibbs is not rational, to claim the Patriots have a killer mentality but then not acknowledge their balanced attack against the chargers or how they didn't throw more deep passes than the Redskins yesterday (just completed more) is not rational, to praise the Cowboys for getting TO involved in the offense with short passes but then rip on the Redskins for doing the same with Moss ("dink and dunk" as people like to call it) is not rational.

To completely disregard our two wins this year (including one on the road against a division opponent) and act like there is no hope left is not at all rational. And quite honestly, I wish those people would just go away. The "I have no faith in this team and I'm going to bitch and moan about it after every loss, but when they win I'll just disappear or I'll jump on the bandwagon" act is tired.

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most people on the site have good input...which is saying a lot considering 5-11 last year and this LOSS

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;356768]Fair points. I didn't mean to attack everyone who had something negative to say about some aspect of the game. I also tried, in a subsequent post, to clarify that my post was not directed towards those who make their points calmly and with some serious thought/analysis. My post was solely aimed at those who have nothing meaningful to add to these discussions.[/QUOTE]

I understand that and my thought in the post was to try to get you to clarify that and make clear my stance. I figured your post was not a slap at everyone. I had a similar conversation to this with a friend of mine earlier about how ridiculous these "jump off a building" Skins fans are. It was one loss that shouldn't have happened and as long as it's not a harbinger of things to come then it's not a big deal. However, I think some people see this as an indication of that Skins team that beats all the right teams and loses to all the wrong ones. I have to admit that I'm nervous about that, but still optimistic that this team will not be like that one.

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[quote=SmootSmack;356772]Well, I think (and SGG alluded to this) it's perfectly ok to be upset and be critical. And there's been some good discussion here no doubt, if you filter through the b.s. But rational critiques is all we're asking for.

To blame a fumble on playcalling is not rational, to say F Gibbs is not rational, to claim the Patriots have a killer mentality but then not acknowledge their balanced attack against the chargers or how they didn't throw more deep passes than the Redskins yesterday (just completed more) is not rational, to praise the Cowboys for getting TO involved in the offense with short passes but then rip on the Redskins for doing the same with Moss ("dink and dunk" as people like to call it) is not rational.

To completely disregard our two wins this year (including one on the road against a division opponent) and act like there is no hope left is not at all rational. And quite honestly, I wish those people would just go away. The "I have no faith in this team and I'm going to bitch and moan about it after every loss, but when they win I'll just disappear or I'll jump on the bandwagon" act is tired.[/quote]

We should have faith after a 2-0 start. Like I said, I think pretty much anyone on this site would have been just fine knowing before week 1 that we would take a 2-1 record into the bye.

A 2-1 start should not cause anyone to start screaming for anyone to be fired. But I simply have to see more production from this offense. All I heard all week after the Philly game was how much JC was growing up right before our eyes, blah blah blah. Yet we barely threw in the 2nd half (unless it was 3rd and long or the very end of the game) against a team that had been victimized by the pass horribly in the first two weeks. 17 points a week ain't gonna cut it. Is it too much to ask for a team to score 3 TDs in a game every once in a while? We have weapons galore on offense and we're paying Saunders more than a lot of head coaches....

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i think it's wrong to say f@@* joe gibbs regardless of circumstances.think what you will,be he deserves that much respect.he's forgotten more about life and football than most of us will ever know.chalk up the loss to inexperience to jason campbell rushing things at the end.i bet they'll be practicing that when they go back to practice next week!

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[QUOTE=GMScud;356780]We should have faith after a 2-0 start. Like I said, I think pretty much anyone on this site would have been just fine knowing before week 1 that we would take a 2-1 record into the bye.

A 2-1 start should not cause anyone to start screaming for anyone to be fired. But I simply have to see more production from this offense. All I heard all week after the Philly game was how much JC was growing up right before our eyes, blah blah blah. Yet we barely threw in the 2nd half (unless it was 3rd and long or the very end of the game) against a team that had been victimized by the pass horribly in the first two weeks. 17 points a week ain't gonna cut it. Is it too much to ask for a team to score 3 TDs in a game every once in a while? We have weapons galore on offense and we're paying Saunders more than a lot of head coaches....[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. As I stated above, however, I think there is definately cause for optimism. The offense is nowhere near as consistent as we'd like it to be, but it's clear that JC gives us a playmaking ability that we haven't seen at QB in decades. Whether he will become a consistent playmaker is another question, but when JC is in the game I feel like we have a chance to do just about anything and that we are almost always in the game. I haven't seen so many deep balls (whether completed or not) in years and I'm psyched to see what this offense will do once JC gets more experience.

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go back and look,it took two years each for theismann,williams,and rypien to take the skins to the superbowl.i figure it may take campbell a little longer since he has to learn al saunders playbook.i love the skins,always will,but there is no way in hell that they are going to the superbowl this year as a contestant.they should make the playoffs however.

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It may be useful to watch Gibbs press conference from today--he spoke a lot about the decision on the goal line, what was called, why it was called, etc. He also talks about the play calling in the 2nd half. Make you own decisions--some will find it re-assuring; others, no doubt, will think it's more of the same.

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[quote=skinsfan69;356715]It was not a muffed handoff. That fumble was 100% on CP. Portis clinched down on the ball with his hands. You never ever do that on hand offs. You let the QB place the ball in your gut. Football 101. This is the stuff you do over and over again in practice, minicamps, OTA's and so on. Oh yeah, CP didn't participate in any of that stuff. He's too good for that.

Look, I'm not making this a Portis/Betts thing. CP is the better player. But I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for the guy like you are. When he screws up he deserves to get ripped. He screwed up yesterday and as a veteran he should not makes those mistakes.[/quote]


man i hate calling you out all the time but your perspective stinks. portis didnt think he was too good for that, gibbs did if anyone. and you are making it a cp/betts thing because you dont know the redskins personel. you think portis gets tackled on 3rd and goal, no way, betts doesnt have a nose for the endzone...portis does....the argument is alot deeper, i will get deeper if you continue to think portis doesnt get in.

you said shotgun and pass earlier would have been your call? well again you dont know the redskins then. they went to what they think they do best and thats power running with a play action mixed in. by the way saunders let everyone know that we have touchdown to cooley on the play action play call. shotgun pass is not what we do best or have the personel to do at the goaline...our wr are good in space but not jump balls or positioning in tight quarters. if we ever line up in shotgun at the 1 it will be a designed JC run....KNOW YOUR TEAM!!!!!!!! or stick with the patriots who you are obviously gay for.

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The play is over. Calm down.

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[quote=holcknowsbest;356907]man i hate calling you out all the time but your perspective stinks. portis didnt think he was too good for that, gibbs did if anyone. and you are making it a cp/betts thing because you dont know the redskins personel. you think portis gets tackled on 3rd and goal, no way, betts doesnt have a nose for the endzone...portis does....the argument is alot deeper, i will get deeper if you continue to think portis doesnt get in.

you said shotgun and pass earlier would have been your call? well again you dont know the redskins then. they went to what they think they do best and thats power running with a play action mixed in. by the way saunders let everyone know that we have touchdown to cooley on the play action play call. shotgun pass is not what we do best or have the personel to do at the goaline...our wr are good in space but not jump balls or positioning in tight quarters. if we ever line up in shotgun at the 1 it will be a designed JC run....KNOW YOUR TEAM!!!!!!!! or stick with the patriots who you are obviously gay for.[/quote]

Dude, your a complete fool. Portis would not have made it in. Saying Betts does not have a nose for the endzone is just stupid. Bugel even said so. He sees the guy up close every single day. He said that Betts can slam it there in short yardage just as good as Portis. Where Portis excels is in open field.

Dumbass, Shotgun on first down would have been just fine. Throw it in the endzone on 1st down. That way it's either incomplete, or a TD. Then go under center 2nd 3rd and 4th down.

And I'm not gay for the Pats. Your probably gay for Portis.

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Are you guys done?

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[quote=SmootSmack;356915]Are you guys done?[/quote]

Sorry Smoot. I should know better but that a-hole started it. He thinks he's smarter than everyone and he doesn't know shit. I'm done with it.

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[quote=Southpaw;356765]A muffed handoff, bad exchange, whatever you want to call it, but it was not 100% Portis. Campbell seemed to be quite a distance away from Portis when he was making the handoff, which obviously shouldn't have been the case.

And I'm not excusing Portis from blame at all. That was a horribly executed play. My point to you is, Portis fumbling has nothing to do with Betts' inability to get into the endzone, in two attempts from the one yard line.[/quote]Campbell was going to put it right in his gut and Portis reached to grab it. That's on Portis 100% of the time.

He probably won't do it again for the rest of this season, but Campbell did everything he was supposed to. Portis knows it was his fault, we don't have to defend him. It was a mistake, its over.

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Hey, they had a bad day! Sometimes the offense doesn't click and the defense gets tired. Redskins are still #1.

Its only week 3 and the fairweather fans have surfaced. shame on you. for everyone saying this guy can't play and he sucks, remember Redskins tryouts are open to everyone. Hit the gym and get some cleats on your feet.

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[QUOTE=DirteePosse;356949]Hey, they had a bad day! Sometimes the offense doesn't click and the defense gets tired. Redskins are still #1.

Its only week 3 and the fairweather fans have surfaced. shame on you. for everyone saying this guy can't play and he sucks, remember Redskins tryouts are open to everyone. Hit the gym and get some cleats on your feet.[/QUOTE]

Well said!! People forget it was also a short week. If people want to whine, then go root for the Forty Whiners!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;356912]Dude, your a complete fool. Portis would not have made it in. Saying Betts does not have a nose for the endzone is just stupid. Bugel even said so. He sees the guy up close every single day. He said that Betts can slam it there in short yardage just as good as Portis. Where Portis excels is in open field.

Dumbass, Shotgun on first down would have been just fine. Throw it in the endzone on 1st down. That way it's either incomplete, or a TD. Then go under center 2nd 3rd and 4th down.

And I'm not gay for the Pats. Your probably gay for Portis.[/quote]

yes he would have. portis would have followed his block "OUTSIDE" instead of trying to cut it into the teeth of that D just like he did in philly and earlier in the game. looking at their career touchdowns "a-hole" then tell me who gets into the endzone ....tell me how you get 1100 yards and only 4 touchdowns??s then how you get 500 yards and 7 touchdowns. yeah thats right clinton portis has 55 touchdowns in his career. ladell betts has 9. portis knows how to score and is a better back so he has gotten more of a chance. they were both drafted in 2002 so it speaks margins about portis's ability to score no matter where from. if you cant see that then you are freaking blind. joe bugel is never gonna call out one of his players and he shouldnt that would be retarded....but if you believe everything you hear out of redskins park, then you are retarded. in any respect portis a better goaline runner, and yes he excells more in space also but portis is a more physical runner. ask your boy aikman who you were quoting so much earlier who is a more physical slam it in there runner, because he talked about portis's phyicality yesterday and how rare it is a guy his size runs and blocks like he does. and incase you missed it, al saunders called it out that they had a wide open touchdown on the play action pass from the 1, but campbell threw under to sellers instead of a wide open cooley in the back. and incase you didnt see the third down play, watch it again and watch where sellers goes and where betts cut it into....goaline rule as a runner, let the fullback lead you and he went outside while betts cut it into the teeth, something clinton would not have done and even if he did, he doesnt go down as easy.

you can say all you want about my logic, smootsmack can regulate this board but you are reacting the same way i am because we dont have the same views.....attacking each other is what makes it fun....in my opinion your perspective sucks and its funny how easy it is to tell between a guy who played the game and a fan, and you just the fan, nothing wrong with being the fan because i am and have been one a long time... oh and by the way nice come back "i am not gay for the pats, your probably gay for portis" haha man you were reaching there, but to answer you yes i am gay for portis hahha

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regulators!!!!!!!! mount up.......i should be hearing from smootsmack

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You know how bad the bye week is going to be with all the blaming going on now...let's get over it and move on. It is what it is...let's deal with it.
Go Skins !!!

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[quote=DCborn;356967]You know how bad the bye week is going to be with all the blaming going on now...let's get over it and move on. It is what it is...let's deal with it.
Go Skins !!![/quote]

i am down with that....i just love to get after it big time on mondays after a loss, helps me vent.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;356758]Seems that those that complain the most after a loss typically have [U]nothing[/U] to say after a win. I swear some people just relish a loss so they can play armchair GM/Coach/QB all week.[/QUOTE]

It also seems like some will drink the cool-aid regardless of what is going on.

I have been here with every win and every loss. I am actually more vocal with wins...but this loss stunk, and it was the coaching.

Not sure if you were referring to me or not, thought I'd mention that.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;356912]Dude, your a complete fool. Portis would not have made it in. Saying Betts does not have a nose for the endzone is just stupid. Bugel even said so. He sees the guy up close every single day. He said that Betts can slam it there in short yardage just as good as Portis. Where Portis excels is in open field.

Dumbass, Shotgun on first down would have been just fine. Throw it in the endzone on 1st down. That way it's either incomplete, or a TD. Then go under center 2nd 3rd and 4th down.

And I'm not gay for the Pats. Your probably gay for Portis.[/QUOTE]

That's probably the most productive post I've ever seen on the warpath...

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[quote=holcknowsbest;356960]yes he would have. portis would have followed his block "OUTSIDE" instead of trying to cut it into the teeth of that D just like he did in philly and earlier in the game. looking at their career touchdowns "a-hole" then tell me who gets into the endzone ....tell me how you get 1100 yards and only 4 touchdowns??s then how you get 500 yards and 7 touchdowns. yeah thats right clinton portis has 55 touchdowns in his career. ladell betts has 9. portis knows how to score and is a better back so he has gotten more of a chance. they were both drafted in 2002 so it speaks margins about portis's ability to score no matter where from. if you cant see that then you are freaking blind. joe bugel is never gonna call out one of his players and he shouldnt that would be retarded....but if you believe everything you hear out of redskins park, then you are retarded. in any respect portis a better goaline runner, and yes he excells more in space also but portis is a more physical runner. ask your boy aikman who you were quoting so much earlier who is a more physical slam it in there runner, because he talked about portis's phyicality yesterday and how rare it is a guy his size runs and blocks like he does. and incase you missed it, al saunders called it out that they had a wide open touchdown on the play action pass from the 1, but campbell threw under to sellers instead of a wide open cooley in the back. and incase you didnt see the third down play, watch it again and watch where sellers goes and where betts cut it into....goaline rule as a runner, let the fullback lead you and he went outside while betts cut it into the teeth, something clinton would not have done and even if he did, he doesnt go down as easy.

you can say all you want about my logic, smootsmack can regulate this board but you are reacting the same way i am because we dont have the same views.....attacking each other is what makes it fun....in my opinion your perspective sucks and its funny how easy it is to tell between a guy who played the game and a fan, and you just the fan, nothing wrong with being the fan because i am and have been one a long time... oh and by the way nice come back "i am not gay for the pats, your probably gay for portis" haha man you were reaching there, but to answer you yes i am gay for portis hahha[/quote]

FYI....to CP butt boy. I played too. QB. We ran a very similar offense that the Skins do. Although it's no where near the volume. The numbers system or passsing tree with combo routes, plus specific names for all RB routes.

What did you play? Let me guess? Center? You probably liked it when the QB put his hands under your ass.