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I thought the name Redskins was no longer trademarked because the Native Americans lawsuit a few years back.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/daily/april99/03/patents3.htm]Washingtonpost.com: Redskins Are Denied Trademarks[/url]

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[QUOTE=drew54;446552]I thought the name Redskins was no longer trademarked because the Native Americans lawsuit a few years back.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/daily/april99/03/patents3.htm]Washingtonpost.com: Redskins Are Denied Trademarks[/url][/QUOTE]

I thought they won the appeal on that

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Yes the team won the appeal otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;446555]Yes the team won the appeal otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.[/QUOTE]


Damn Appeal.

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Suddenly we all agree the name Redskins is offensive and should be changed :)

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[quote=Mattyk72;446555]Yes the team won the appeal otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.[/quote]
Matt,

Explain to me why they have the right to just take the domain name. Aren't you the legal owner of that name? I was under the impression that anyone could purchase a domain and then if someone else wanted it, they would have to purchase the domain name. I would think they should at least throw you a few G for it... and it would be less than their legal bills in trying to force it from you.

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Now... this is funny:

[url=http://redskinssuck.com/]Redskins Suck .com - RedskinsSuck.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=Redskin Rich;446562]Matt,

Explain to me why they have the right to just take the domain name. Aren't you the legal owner of that name? I was under the impression that anyone could purchase a domain and then if someone else wanted it, they would have to purchase the domain name. I would think they should at least throw you a few G for it... and it would be less than their legal bills in trying to force it from you.[/QUOTE]

Disclaimer: The following is based on about 10 minutes (maybe 20) of legal research and in no way represents a definitive statement of trademark law.

It's called trademark infringement. The NFL owned the rights to the name "redskins" before matty did. The NFL has registered trademarks for logos, names, etc. relating to the league and its teams. They are allowed to protect those trademarks and prevent others from "piggybacking" on their marks. Legally, they had the name and logos first and you can't use them to popularize your own ventures. This prevents others from unfairly profiting from the NFL's advertising/product and protects the NFL's product from being diluted by copycats.

Included in those protections is the right to obtain large punitive damages. These damages are intended to a) compensate trademark owners for having to sue to protect what is legally theirs; and b) discourage others from using the marks as a way to blackmail the owner (Pay me, and I'll stop, otherwise you'll have to sue me.).

Like patents, trademark protections are important to free trade and the market system. They are intended to insure that the person (or corporation) who takes the risk in creating a product and builds "good will" in that product is the person or entity that reaps the monetary rewards from that product.

While it sucks for us, and they may seem to be acting a little over the top, entities who have products with mass appeal are subject to "death by a thousand cuts" unless they aggressively protect their product. I wouldn't be surprised if NFL employs a small firm of attorneys whose sole purpose is to protect the integrity of their marks from small-time infringement like us.

I understand their purpose and intellectually accept the need for aggressive protection of trade marks.

Still sucks though.

Matty - my bill is in the mail.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;446584]Disclaimer: The following is based on about 10 minutes (maybe 20) of legal research and in no way represents a definitive statement of trademark law.

It's called trademark infringement. The NFL owned the rights to the name "redskins" before matty did. The NFL has registered trademarks for logos, names, etc. relating to the league and its teams. They are allowed to protect those trademarks and prevent others from "piggybacking" on their marks. Legally, they had the name and logos first and you can't use them to popularize your own ventures. This prevents others from unfairly profiting from the NFL's advertising/product and protects the NFL's product from being diluted by copycats.

Included in those protections is the right to obtain large punitive damages. These damages are intended to a) compensate trademark owners for having to sue to protect what is legally theirs; and b) discourage others from using the marks as a way to blackmail the owner (Pay me, and I'll stop, otherwise you'll have to sue me.).

Like patents, trademark protections are important to free trade and the market system. They are intended to insure that the person (or corporation) who takes the risk in creating a product and builds "good will" in that product is the person or entity that reaps the monetary rewards from that product.

While it sucks for us, and they may seem to be acting a little over the top, entities who have products with mass appeal are subject to "death by a thousand cuts" unless they aggressively protect their product. I wouldn't be surprised if NFL employs a small firm of attorneys whose sole purpose is to protect the integrity of their marks from small-time infringement like us.

I understand their purpose and intellectually accept the need for aggressive protection of trade marks.

Still sucks though.

Matty - my bill is in the mail.[/quote]
Wow... great post. I think everyone should contribute to your bill by giving you positive rep points... and let me be the first for this posting. :goodjob:

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I've put through the domain change so it usually takes about 24 hours for the change to propagate, so you may experience some occassional downtime. Just be patient. Thanks.

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[quote=Redskin Rich;446564]Now... this is funny:

[URL="http://redskinssuck.com/"]Redskins Suck .com - RedskinsSuck.com[/URL][/quote]

that is pretty funny! nice sig, as well.

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the new/old url.... doesnt work... @ work :( tear

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[quote=Giantone;446089]That sucks!!!This explains why my cookies for the site wouldn't work.I know you're saying the NFL but do you think the Danny had anything to do with it?
As an outsider I'll say that this site is 100 times better than exstrem skins and you guys should be very proud!!I believe the danny is jealous![/quote]I bet The Danny had a hand in this somehow. Try as he might, ExtremeSkins will NEVER have the quality of intelligent fan discussion that this forum provides.

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Somebody from the Giants must've complained about the site!

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;446874]I bet The Danny had a hand in this somehow. Try as he might, ExtremeSkins will NEVER have the quality of intelligent fan discussion that this forum provides.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I have a pretty good idea which flounder-faced-turkey-necked-chicken-lips-corporate-boob-with-no business-being-in-a-broadcast-booth is behind this BS.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;446190]How sure are you that it actually was the NFL that contacted you about this?
It just sounds so far fetched that the league would actually monitor bulletin boards.

You would think that they would have better things to do than to monitor the literally THOUSANDS of fan bulletin boards on the net.

And unless the site is using the logos, videos and such for PROFIT, I do not see how they can take issue with it. I am just not buying it.

I am a long time member of several fan forums and this is the only one I have encountered where the league took issue. Just does not make sense that they would have the manpower and resources to seek out boards like this and take issue.[/QUOTE]

This site does include a paid option, no? Making a profit or not doesn't matter.

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[QUOTE=jbcjr14;446200]Matty...DO NOT give up the domain redskinswarpath.net if YOU own it! Keep renewing it and put a 301 direct on it. [/QUOTE]

The echo, it takes awhile here.

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[QUOTE=Burger;446377] Seems to me this team is called the washington redskins. Not the redskinswarpath. How can a judge rule for the nfl on that one. .[/QUOTE]


[url=http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4t0evv.2.23]Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS)[/url]

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[QUOTE=baxter81;446423]Translationt pages don't work.

I found a way around. Im using logmein.com to remotely connect to my home computer[/QUOTE]

ssh tunnel brosimmedy sam

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[QUOTE=drew54;446552]I thought the name Redskins was no longer trademarked because the Native Americans lawsuit a few years back.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/daily/april99/03/patents3.htm]Washingtonpost.com: Redskins Are Denied Trademarks[/url][/QUOTE]

got overturned fiddyleven times

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The new domain should be fully propagated now. Thanks for your patience.

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I was starting to get worried - it kept cutting out!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;446943]The new domain should be fully propagated now. Thanks for your patience.[/QUOTE]

would this be the reason as to why my pc at home would not log on to the warpath? Even when I would try to use yahoo it would not let me in. I never had a problem before until the NFL pulled their little stunt...

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[quote=Redskins8588;447000]would this be the reason as to why my pc at home would not log on to the warpath? Even when I would try to use yahoo it would not let me in. I never had a problem before until the NFL pulled their little stunt...[/quote]

Probably, it takes anywhere from 24-72 hours to fully propagate. I did the change on Saturday afternoon so by the end of today we should be in the clear.

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It appears to be totally fine now. But last night and this morning when I was having trouble getting in through thewarpath.net, I just typed in thewarpath.org and it got me right through.

So that's a little suggestion for any of you still having some issues. Though those should be far and few between at this point.

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thewarpath.net was down for me for the last few hours (mid-Atlantic FiOS). These are the pains of DNS, though.

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It's alright. If there was ever a time for the site to go down I think the last few days would have been it. Though I guess Mid May might technically be a little better but thats besides the point. I was surprised though that after the whole cease and desist ordeal that redskinswarpath.com was working instead of thewarpath.net. Either way there isn't a whole lot to talk about right now, as the draft seems to invite the most speculation and once thats over the amount of information and debating is minimal untill preseason starts.

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its ok here now, I get it at home now... There is peace in the universe...

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I'm sorry, but this is complete bullshit. They want fans, but they don't want fans to use thier team names? It's not like this is a forum that there's a huge profit being made from video's and pictures. It's a bunch of Men and Women supporting our players and teams. I don't know about you guys, but this sets me off. Good job Roger, way to help improve the image of the leauge by keeping the fans further distanced from the team and leauge.

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We are back! I thought I was going to have register at another Skins site. If the NFL is cracking down on user sites that use licensed NFL names, they have a lot of work to do. I was surfing trying to find thewarpath.net and ran across a chiefswarpath. How come the NFL gestapo haven't commandeered their site? That site is loaded with pictures, videos, ...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;446943]The new domain should be fully propagated now. Thanks for your patience.[/QUOTE]

I was having withdrawls. Its the offseason Matty, you can't toy with a football fan like that! Its good to see we are back. :)

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Wow... the site downtime coincided with me getting my new machine this weekend. I was thinking that warpath had some issues with a Mac!

Sucks re: the NFL news, but you I know you guys will be fine adapting. Keep on, keepin' on fellas!

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Just want to say, I love the new banner.

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[quote=Stuck in TX;447481]Just want to say, I love the new banner.[/quote]

Much thanks to Summo for that.

We're finally getting back to normal.