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[quote=munny;531130]Danny is still the same ol dumbass he always was. 154 mil for 2 players. One of whom can't make it through a season without injuries. What a boob. I can only hope that the economy crushes his finances and forces him to sell of the team. Time to break out the 'FireDanSnyder.com" t-shirt I guess.[/quote]

I disagree completly

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[quote=munny;531130]Danny is still the same ol dumbass he always was. 154 mil for 2 players. One of whom can't make it through a season without injuries. What a boob. [B]I can only hope that the economy crushes his finances and forces him to sell of the team.[/B] Time to break out the 'FireDanSnyder.com" t-shirt I guess.[/quote]

See this is why I don't get, why are you a fan then? Everything that you do by being a fan supports the Redskins and Snyder. I just don't understand this.

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[quote=munny;531130]Danny is still the same ol dumbass he always was. 154 mil for 2 players. One of whom can't make it through a season without injuries. What a boob. I can only hope that the economy crushes his finances and forces him to sell of the team. Time to break out the 'FireDanSnyder.com" t-shirt I guess.[/quote]

Agreed! We could have signed Dockery, Brown, Canty, Crowell, Bart Scott, Bolden and Dre Bly for the price they gave this 2. I'm disappointed, if one of those players gets hurt, then what? Eat the money? What about those folks the Redskins laidoff? How do they feel when they see this?

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[quote=munny;531130]Danny is still the same ol dumbass he always was. 154 mil for 2 players. One of whom can't make it through a season without injuries. What a boob. I can only hope that the economy crushes his finances and forces him to sell of the team. Time to break out the 'FireDanSnyder.com" t-shirt I guess.[/quote]

Wow.

He's a dumbass for signing the top free agent available when all of the "experts" said our cap wouldn't permit it?

He's a financial, specifically a salary cap genius. Every year, he's able to turn what looks like cap hell into the capability to sign anyone we need or want. He does it with how contracts are written, plus every year we have some big names who are committed to the team and are willing to restructure to free up cap room. They wouldn't do that if they hated Snyder and weren't buying into the team's future.

That was just an ignorant statement.

I really hope we get to see Snyder operate without a salary cap. This should be fun and we'll definitely win a few more Lombardis.

People hate the Yankees because they can buy whatever player they wish, well, Snyder is just like Steinbrenner...a very successful man who worked to build a fortune. I may not like the Yanks, but if our Skins are one of the most valuable franchises in the world (were #1 before Dallas built their new stadium with a hole in the roof), I am happy about it.

With or without a salary cap, some teams like the Lions will always be bad because of ownership decisions. The Redskins have an owner who has not only become a better owner football-wise, but has all of the money in the league at his disposal because of his personal success.

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[quote=djnemo65;531109]God, that idiot Cowherd is frothing at the mouth. He's claiming that we bat .100 on free agency moves. He is also claiming that we made huge splashes in free agency last year. Neither of those are remotely true.

Why do you guys let him on the air? He doesn't know what he's talking about.[/quote]

The guy is the Skip Bayless of radio. Don't even give that clown the satisfaction of listening to him. I'd rather listen to static than that dope.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531143]Agreed! We could have signed Dockery, Brown, Canty, Crowell, Bart Scott, Bolden and Dre Bly for the price they gave this 2. I'm disappointed, if one of those players gets hurt, then what? Eat the money? What about those folks the Redskins laidoff? How do they feel when they see this?[/quote]

I hope you are kidding but....

- Dockery: could still sign with us
- Brown: I agree with you on this one, I really wanted him
- Canty: a cheaper version of AH, I also wanted him but we got Big Al
- Crowell: I don't know who this is, I'll need to look him up
- Scott: He wasn't coming here, he's going to the Jets
- Bolden: We don't have the picks for this trade
- Dre Bly: We have Hall and Rogers, are you kidding me?

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[quote=Ruhskins;531141]See this is why I don't get, why are you a fan then? Everything that you do by being a fan supports the Redskins and Snyder. I just don't understand this.[/quote]

Ruhskins, How many Redskins Hall and Haynesworth jerseys will sell this year. Even in a bad economy. I bet its huge.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531143]Agreed! We could have signed Dockery, Brown, Canty, Crowell, Bart Scott, Bolden and Dre Bly for the price they gave this 2. I'm disappointed, if one of those players gets hurt, then what? Eat the money? What about those folks the Redskins laidoff? How do they feel when they see this?[/quote]


Either Boldin or Scott would be as expensive as Haynesworth alone, they'd also not fill needs as urgent as D-line for us. THOSE would be "dumbass" moves. Canty has not proven anything and Dre Bly is a player who can't find a home. Why would you want either of those over D. Hall who made a huge impact for us last year?

This blind hatred for Snyder without actually thinking is getting old. Yes, he used to make HORRIBLE decisions and I was on him then just like you are now, but we've been building a nice team over the past few years and it will be better next year. We always have a top-5 defense and are always in the playoff hunt over the past few years. Early in Snyder's career, we were a laughing stock. He has learned from Gibbs and his mistakes.

Be happy we don't have Jerry Jones. I have a few friends who are Dallas fans and they are about to give up on their team because of their owner. It's fun to watch.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531143]Agreed! We could have signed Dockery, Brown, Canty, Crowell, Bart Scott, Bolden and Dre Bly for the price they gave this 2. I'm disappointed, if one of those players gets hurt, then what? Eat the money? What about those folks the Redskins laidoff? How do they feel when they see this?[/quote]

Really? We could have signed all those players for the price of Hall and Haynesworth?

Well let's suppose we magically were able to do that. Would such sweeping changes make sense? And I guess they'd all start right? So Bodden and Bly (I'm going to guess you meant Leigh Bodden, not Anquan Boldin) start and Rogers becomes the nickel? Crowell and Scott start and McIntosh is benched? Canty starts and who sits? Rabach and Kendall to the bench? I'll admit that's some great talent on the bench

But what about the fact that maybe some (if not most) of those players want to play elsewhere or may not even be the best fits for us. What is Dre Bly going to offer us really at this stage of his career?

As for the folks the Redskins laid off, it sucks but it happens all around the league and all over the country. Colts laid people off, Browns laid people off, Pats laid people off...

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[quote=Buster;531124]We signed Stubblefield at the end of his career, much like Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and half our roster in that "era". ... [Wilkinson] was never brought in with the expectation of being the top defensive lineman in the game like Haynesworth, neither was the aging Stubblefield even though he was paid nicely from Snyder.

...

I trust him now. Back in the "Stubblefield" days, he was a reckless check writer. Now, the Redskins actually have a vision for the future instead of "just win now".[/quote]

1. Stubblefield was 27, a five year vet, and coming off a season in which he was named defensive player of the year when he signed with us and played six more years (three with us, two with SF and one with Oakland).

2. Stubblefield was pre-Snyder.

Hopefully, Haynesworth will not be a Stubblefield redux or a Jevon Kearse-like error (Yes, yes - I know Kearse was a Philly dumb play, but it was a dumb play nonetheless). Who knows, maybe its a Reggie White like move. My preference would have been for more inexpensive signing to shore up the O-line. But hey, what do I know.

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Besides, how can a Cowboy-stomper NOT play for us? :)

He was born to be a Redskin. (yes, I do think that was a horrible move and he needed the 5-game suspension...I am joking)

He's grown up a lot since then, I don't recall any other incidents since then.

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[quote=Buster;531155]Either Boldin or Scott would be as expensive as Haynesworth alone, they'd also not fill needs as urgent as D-line for us. [/quote]

Sorry I meant Leigh Bodden CB. As for the dumbass moves Vinny just made them by signing to players for 154Mil. What about if Campbell has a great season and his contract is up? Are you going to clear the roster to sign him? It just might happen now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;531152]I hope you are kidding but....

- Dockery: could still sign with us
- Brown: I agree with you on this one, I really wanted him
- Canty: a cheaper version of AH, I also wanted him but we got Big Al
- Crowell: I don't know who this is, I'll need to look him up
- Scott: He wasn't coming here, he's going to the Jets
- Bolden: We don't have the picks for this trade
- Dre Bly: We have Hall and Rogers, are you kidding me?[/quote]

Some people are convinced that anything is better than the decisions Vinny and Danny make, regardless of how illogical they are.

Of the players listed in his original post, as pointed out by you, only Dockery and Brown would be viable and would consider us. From those, we're still likely to get Dockery back. Brown is signing with St. Louis, Canty isn't a good fit (he's a 3-4 DE not a 4-3), Crowell is coming off a knee injury, Scott was already going to be with Ryan at the Jets, Bolden isn't a free agent and Bly is a downgrade from what we already have.

You can pretty much tell who are actual NFL fans and those who just support the local team by what they read in the papers and hear on talk radio.

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[quote=Buster;531147]Wow.

He's a dumbass for signing the top free agent available when all of the "experts" said our cap wouldn't permit it?

He's a financial, specifically a salary cap genius. Every year, he's able to turn what looks like cap hell into the capability to sign anyone we need or want. He does it with how contracts are written, plus every year we have some big names who are committed to the team and are willing to restructure to free up cap room. They wouldn't do that if they hated Snyder and weren't buying into the team's future.

That was just an ignorant statement.

I really hope we get to see Snyder operate without a salary cap. This should be fun and we'll definitely win a few more Lombardis.

People hate the Yankees because they can buy whatever player they wish, well, Snyder is just like Steinbrenner...a very successful man who worked to build a fortune. I may not like the Yanks, but if our Skins are one of the most valuable franchises in the world (were #1 before Dallas built their new stadium with a hole in the roof), I am happy about it.

With or without a salary cap, some teams like the Lions will always be bad because of ownership decisions. The Redskins have an owner who has not only become a better owner football-wise, but has all of the money in the league at his disposal because of his personal success.[/quote]

I agree with what all you said here. If the Skins hadn't signed him for this money, someone else would have. Plus, the Skins get a guy who will plug up the middle and cause havoc... don't think the Skins have had a guy like this since Dave Butz.

Like it or not, fans have to accept the fact that if you want some of the best players in the league, you gotta pay the big money. The teams that continously sign the average players for bargain prices never are competitive. Most of Vinny's moves in the off-season look smart and are good decisions even though a lot ended up not panning out. You just never know... most of free agent acquisitions by all the teams are not a sure thing.

My main concern is that it seems that a lot of these high price free agents never play to the level and energy they had before they got the big bucks. Lets hope Haynesworth is not like this.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531160]Sorry I meant Leigh Bodden CB. As for the dumbass moves Vinny just made them by signing to players for 154Mil. [b]What about if Campbell has a great season and his contract is up? Are you going to clear the roster to sign him? It just might happen now.[/b][/quote]
Seriously, do you not understand football economics? Just for 2010 sake and your question specifically on Campbell, Jason Taylor's $8.5 million is off the books, that's plenty for a nice contract for Campbell in 2010.

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[quote=Buster;531158]Besides, how can a Cowboy-stomper NOT play for us? :)

He was born to be a Redskin. (yes, I do think that was a horrible move and he needed the 5-game suspension...I am joking)

He's grown up a lot since then, I don't recall any other incidents since then.[/quote]

I saw an interview with AH and he stated that he regreted what he did and didn't want his kids to be subject to that kind of thing. Ever since then he has been staying out of trouble.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531156]Really? We could have signed all those players for the price of Hall and Haynesworth?

Well let's suppose we magically were able to do that. Would such sweeping changes make sense? And I guess they'd all start right? So Bodden and Bly (I'm going to guess you meant Leigh Bodden, not Anquan Boldin) start and Rogers becomes the nickel? Crowell and Scott start and McIntosh is benched? Canty starts and who sits? Rabach and Kendall to the bench? I'll admit that's some great talent on the bench

But what about the fact that maybe some (if not most) of those players want to play elsewhere or may not even be the best fits for us. What is Dre Bly going to offer us really at this stage of his career?

As for the folks the Redskins laid off, it sucks but it happens all around the league and all over the country. Colts laid people off, Browns laid people off, Pats laid people off...[/quote]

You start Rogers and Bodden (Don't have to sign Bly, it was an example of how money could have been spent) Crowell, Scott and Fletcher (McIntosh is the backup due to a bad year and his knees) Canty replaces Evans, Brown/Dockery replace Kendall (again I used one of these players as what we could have gotten for 154M)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531160]Sorry I meant Leigh Bodden CB. As for the dumbass moves Vinny just made them by signing to players for 154Mil. What about if Campbell has a great season and his contract is up? Are you going to clear the roster to sign him? It just might happen now.[/quote]

You do realize that $154M is not going to leave Snyder's wallet right? NFL contracts RARELY, I'd wager to say NEVER pay out the full amount you see on the news reports. Also, Hall likely won't stay all 6 years and Haynesworth won;t likely be here 7 years.

You have to understand how contracts work in the NFL and guaranteed money. Haynesworth is getting a nice chunk of guaranteed money, a reported $30Mil in the first 13 months of his contract, but the hit on our cap isn't as huge as it sounds when you hear $154Mil.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;531172]I saw an interview with AH and he stated that he regreted what he did and didn't want his kids to be subject to that kind of thing. Ever since then he has been staying out of trouble.[/quote]

Great to hear.

Hall didn't cause any problems last year either.

I know some Raiders fans and one of them told me "you don't want a part of Hall". But last year, he was more of a spark plug than a locker room menace for us. Oakland and the Vick-led Falcons were hardly upstanding locker rooms anyways, so I think he'll stick to football with us too, especially since he got paid.

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[quote=Buster;531181]Great to hear.

Hall didn't cause any problems last year either.

I know some Raiders fans and one of them told me "you don't want a part of Hall". But last year, he was more of a spark plug than a locker room menace for us. Oakland and the Vick-led Falcons were hardly upstanding locker rooms anyways, so I think he'll stick to football with us too, especially since he got paid.[/quote]

It's called I'm laying low to get the money, which he did. We'll see what he does next year, I'm hope I'm wrong.

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[quote=skinsfan69;531086]Did he make the players around him better? Why does he already want out after one year?[/quote]

You said he was a bust, he clearly was not.

He wants out because of issues he has with Mangini.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80eec031&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Mangini reaching out to disgruntled Browns DT Rogers[/url]

I don't see what this has to do with your take that he was a bust.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531189]It's called I'm laying low to get the money, which he did. We'll see what he does next year, I'm hope I'm wrong.[/quote]

Or it could be called growing up?

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[quote=44ever;531140]I disagree completly[/quote]

There's always going to be ignorance, can't stop it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;531195]There's always going to be ignorance, can't stop it.[/quote]

Yeah but we can yell at it!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531173]You start Rogers and Bodden (Don't have to sign Bly, it was an example of how money could have been spent) Crowell, Scott and Fletcher (McIntosh is the backup due to a bad year and his knees) Canty replaces Evans, Brown/Dockery replace Kendall (again I used one of these players as what we could have gotten for 154M)[/quote]

You should have used the word "or" instead of "and" in your original post

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531143]Agreed! We could have signed Dockery, Brown, Canty, Crowell, Bart Scott, Bolden and Dre Bly for the price they gave this 2. I'm disappointed, if one of those players gets hurt, then what? Eat the money? What about those folks the Redskins laidoff? How do they feel when they see this?[/quote]

Maybe on Madden. Not in the real world. Boldin isn't even a free agent.

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Like the player hate the money. but I voted "I like the French Fries" only cause that's such a great out in left field answer. lol.

I havn't read all the posts but some where saying that should tie up all our money however they are to meet with Canty today. It was reported on ESPN he would arrive today and meet with us. So they are either digging money up from somewhere or planning on letting other people go if he signs.

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[quote=SBXVII;531203]Like the player hate the money. but I voted "I like the French Fries" only cause that's such a great out in left field answer. lol.

I havn't read all the posts but some where saying that should tie up all our money however they are to meet with Canty today. It was reported on ESPN he would arrive today and meet with us. So they are either digging money up from somewhere or planning on letting other people go if he signs.[/quote]

Canty meeting was cancelled. I like french fries too :)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531189]It's called I'm laying low to get the money, which he did. We'll see what he does next year, I'm hope I'm wrong.[/quote]

These guys are still young. This dude is a real talent, and in our system, he does something that Carlos Rogers in incapable of...getting picks.

Haynesworth fills a major need. We need a monster DT, and we got the best.

I am thankful we can afford this. I love it how people hate on Danny...I like him more and more every year. He just wants to win, and I realize that. VC is another story.

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;531202]Maybe on Madden. Not in the real world. Boldin isn't even a free agent.[/quote]

Did you read my previous post? I meant Leigh Bodden not Boldin.

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;531206]These guys are still young. This dude is a real talent, and in our system, he does something that Carlos Rogers in incapable of...getting picks.

Haynesworth fills a major need. We need a monster DT, and we got the best.

[B] I am thankful we can afford this. I love it how people hate on Danny...I like him more and more every year. He just wants to win, and I realize that. VC is another story.[/B][/quote]

Well said and...me too.

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[quote=That Guy;531138]SS isn't in charge of that.

as far as batting %, overall it's not that bad, but on super high price FAs... it's terrible, and you need to hit at least .800+ on those.

i think we're still paying for lloyd... seriously? ouch.[/quote]

I was kidding. I understand that he can't walk down the hall and cancel a radio show. And with the exception of the disastrous 2006 class, we haven't missed on too many free agents since the Spurrier days.

I'm not saying we're a perfectly run organization, but that idiot needs to get some facts.

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i like french fries

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531208]Did you read my previous post? I meant Leigh Bodden not Boldin.[/quote]

You typed Boldin. People reading see that and have to respond to it's ridiculousness right there. There's an edit button, you know. :)

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I voted "Like the player, hate the money" simply because I'm not sure that he'll continue to be the disruptive force he has been. He's one of those guys who can get a little lazy and I don't know if I trust Blache to use him correctly. He freelanced a lot in Tennessee and Washington has not, traditionally, allowed their DTs to do that. I hope it ends up being a great deal, I'm just going to have to take a wait-and-see approach right now.

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;531206]These guys are still young. This dude is a real talent, and in our system, he does something that Carlos Rogers in incapable of...getting picks.[/quote]

Yeah, he also does something better than Carlos, commits lots of personal fouls at critical moments that cost your team 15 yards and is not as good in man to man coverage which we use often.

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;531206][B]These guys are still young[/B]. This dude is a real talent, and in our system, he does something that Carlos Rogers in incapable of...getting picks.

Haynesworth fills a major need. We need a monster DT, and we got the best.

I am thankful we can afford this. I love it how people hate on Danny...I like him more and more every year. He just wants to win, and I realize that. VC is another story.[/quote]

That's the thing that makes me like these deals the most. They're both young players who could become fixtures on this team. I'd love to see Hall and Rodgers become a great CB tandem and Haynesworth continuing to dominate. I would love to see Haynesworth make guys like Carter and Taylor better, we [B]should[/B] get more than 24 sacks next season

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Hall's sure to be a leader back there and the DL is going to have a lot of fun.

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Actually, I think the backfield of Hall/Rogers is going to be fine - as long as they can work together, I think their styles will be complimentary. Can Smoot be a vialble 3rd corner anymore? dunno.

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I think the biggest and most important thing about these two players is that they can both change the football game. Haynesworth can get pressure and he can help DEs get free and create pressure; he can also stop the run. Hall makes plays, he gets beat, but he gets some picks, he plays the ball well. It's been a little while since the Skins D really made plays, particularly last season, it seemed like they were a "bend, but don't break" type of D and it worked out fairly well. However, I'd rather have a defense that can dominate a football game (like Pittsburgh's) and change games by creating turnovers. Hall (to a lesser extent) and Haynesworth can do that