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We are about to re-up Rabach. I don't think this is a good idea, he is nothing more than a backup in this league at this point in his career. Hopefully he won't be the next Jon Jansen

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/redskins-rabach-in-contract-ta.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins, Rabach in contract talks[/url]

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[quote=diehardskin2982;666172]We are about to re-up Rabach. I don't think this is a good idea, he is nothing more than a backup in this league at this point in his career. Hopefully he won't be the next Jon Jansen

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/redskins-rabach-in-contract-ta.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins, Rabach in contract talks[/url][/quote]

Yup, I misread this one completely CRedskins. I guess I'll bring up a new question...why does there seem to be two different opinions on Rabach? I personally saw him not play well at all, and I thought a number of botched snaps were partially his fault (esp those from shotgun) for example. But it seems as though the team wants to keep him.

Is it the lack of talent out there that causes the team to keep him? Or is there something that us fans are missing in regards to his play?

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[quote=Ruhskins;666176]I wonder if [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/redskins-rabach-in-contract-ta.html"]this is the reason[/URL] why fans don't think that taking a tackle with the #4 is not necessary...



Really? Three starters?? So with this mentality, we just need two starters to get our line up to speed. I just don't get it. I thought that our line was horrible from top to bottom. We have two guys that should hang it up, and I honestly think Dockery is the only good one out of that bunch.[/quote]

I think you mis-read it, the quote said with 3 NEW starters, so both Tackles and either a guard or center, leaves Dock as the only solid returning vet. I am definitely in the let Rabach go camp, but that's just frustration with the whole line talking.

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Weird. Per Real Redskins:

"Heard that the #Redskins have made no effort to sign starting C Casey Rabach. He will be a UFA"

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Well, I can see why you want to keep maybe the line signal caller .. especially if nobody THAT much better is available. I don't know; during the Vikes game 2 years ago the announcer said Rabach was having a Pro Bowl type season. Maybe there's something that we're not seeing, I'd love to know what it is if so.

PFF has him ranked pretty low the past couple of years

[url=http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=C&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/url]

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I honestly feel Rabach is a good back-up....with the emphasis on...[B]back-up[/B].

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[quote=53Fan;666273]I honestly feel Rabach is a good back-up....with the emphasis on...[B]back-up[/B].[/quote]

I honestly think Heyer would be better suited as a guard.

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[quote=PHazard;666222]Weird. Per Real Redskins:

"Heard that the #Redskins have made no effort to sign starting C Casey Rabach. He will be a UFA"[/quote]Rich Tandler is pretty wired in to the team's actions. They're also a lot more receptive to internet media now than compared to the Gibbs days.

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[quote=tryfuhl;666254]Well, I can see why you want to keep maybe the line signal caller .. especially if nobody THAT much better is available. I don't know; during the Vikes game 2 years ago the announcer said Rabach was having a Pro Bowl type season. Maybe there's something that we're not seeing, I'd love to know what it is if so.

PFF has him ranked pretty low the past couple of years

[URL="http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=C&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1"]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/URL][/quote]In his defense, Rabach has had a lot more responsibility than the average center over the last four years. He's been a pretty darn important piece...of a unit that has been pretty crappy overall.

He'd probably be less of a disaster if Shanahan allows the quarterback to call his own protections, but he's still going to get killed against larger nose tackles in the running game, and by anyone with two legs in the passing game.

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The FO re-signing Rabach could indicate two important things. Maybe Shanahan and Co see Rabach as a good fit in the zone blocking scheme because he's mobile. To his credit Rabach seems to take excellent care of himself and stay healthy, so the coaches probably see him as a guy they could coach up. It also could indicate they expect to replace other positions along the oline, so Rabach's continuity alongside Dock is a plus.

What bothers me most about Rabach is his propensity toward mistakes. Poor snaps in the shotgun, penalties on big plays, and I have to believe some of the piss-poor protection calls along the interior were his fault. If he can be coached up in these areas, while excelling in the new scheme, then Rabach totally redeems himself.

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^ big if's

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[quote=53Fan;666273]I honestly feel Rabach is a good back-up....with the emphasis on...[B]back-up[/B].[/quote]

He's definitely a Bugel guy, so perhaps his final evaluation of Rabach suggested we make an effort to resign him.

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[I]Saints offer tenders to 13 RFAs, but not Jahri Evans or Mike Bell
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2010 5:59 PM ET
The New Orleans Saints have announced that 13 of the team's 18 potential restricted free agents have received qualifying offers.

They are: defensive tackle Remi Ayodele, defensive end, Anthony Hargrove, [B]offensive tackle Jammal Brown, offensive tackle Jermon Bushrod, offensive tackle Zach Strief[/B], safety Roman Harper, safety Chris Reis, safety Usama Young, linebacker Marvin Mitchell, wide receiver Lance Moore, wide receiver Courtney Roby, tight end David Thomas, and running back Pierre Thomas.

The Saints did not specify the amount of the tenders; Mike Triplett has reported the specific levels for Bushrod (second round), Strief (second round), and Young (third round).[/I]


Anyone wanna sign a RFA from the Saints and give up a pick?

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[quote=WaldSkins;666332][I]Saints offer tenders to 13 RFAs, but not Jahri Evans or Mike Bell
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2010 5:59 PM ET
The New Orleans Saints have announced that 13 of the team's 18 potential restricted free agents have received qualifying offers.

They are: defensive tackle Remi Ayodele, defensive end, Anthony Hargrove, [B]offensive tackle Jammal Brown, offensive tackle Jermon Bushrod, offensive tackle Zach Strief[/B], safety Roman Harper, safety Chris Reis, safety Usama Young, linebacker Marvin Mitchell, wide receiver Lance Moore, wide receiver Courtney Roby, tight end David Thomas, and running back Pierre Thomas.

The Saints did not specify the amount of the tenders; Mike Triplett has reported the specific levels for Bushrod (second round), Strief (second round), and Young (third round).[/I]


Anyone wanna sign a RFA from the Saints and give up a pick?[/quote]
I'm not really in a huge hurry to give up picks, especially when I don't know about those guys individually, so no opinion I guess. They've still got a week or so to tender them, maybe just waiting to get up with their agents at the combine.

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[quote=GTripp0012;666317]In his defense, Rabach has had a lot more responsibility than the average center over the last four years. He's been a pretty darn important piece...of a unit that has been pretty crappy overall.

He'd probably be less of a disaster if Shanahan allows the quarterback to call his own protections,[B] but he's still going to get killed against larger nose tackles in the running game[/B], and by anyone with two legs in the passing game.[/quote]

Better get used to saying that about all our O-Lineman.

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[quote=WaldSkins;666332][I]Saints offer tenders to 13 RFAs, but not Jahri Evans or Mike Bell
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2010 5:59 PM ET
The New Orleans Saints have announced that 13 of the team's 18 potential restricted free agents have received qualifying offers.

They are: defensive tackle Remi Ayodele, defensive end, Anthony Hargrove, [B]offensive tackle Jammal Brown, offensive tackle Jermon Bushrod, offensive tackle Zach Strief[/B], safety Roman Harper, safety Chris Reis, safety Usama Young, linebacker Marvin Mitchell, wide receiver Lance Moore, wide receiver Courtney Roby, tight end David Thomas, and running back Pierre Thomas.

The Saints did not specify the amount of the tenders; Mike Triplett has reported the specific levels for Bushrod (second round), Strief (second round), and Young (third round).[/I]


Anyone wanna sign a RFA from the Saints and give up a pick?[/quote]

I rather like the idea of giving them LL and getting one of their OT's from them. I know someone on the site pointed out that we might be able to help each other out, but can't remember who...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;666358]I rather like the idea of giving them LL and getting Bushrod from them. I know someone on the site pointed out that we might be able to help each other out, [B]but can't remember who...[/quote]
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I dont wanna say

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I believed it was Smootsmack who brought up the idea..

However, I'm not sure if I would like the idea.. Giving up a 2nd rounder (or trading Landry) for a proven LT might sounds good.. But I really believe we would get better player if we draft a T with our 2nd round pick by drafting Charles Brown or whichever T falls down to 2nd round slot.. Jammal Brown is 28 years old, which means he would only have maybe 4 years left in him.. Jermon Bushrod is 25, however, from what I saw in the super bowl game.. Bushrod almost couldn't handle Freeney by himself - Freeney had fracture foot or something.. Which means Bushrod wouldn't be able to handle a healthy Freeney-alike player..

I think (or hope) Landry will become the player this year that we expected him to be last two seasons.. If we traded Landry to Saints for either T and Landry emerges as elite player, then they definitely would have gotten the better value out of this trade..

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The funny thing is our draft might end up a lot like the Falcons draft in 2008. Take the QB first, get a second round pick for a player and then trade up into the first to draft a Tackle from USC. All the while getting a third round pick. That would be a great day. Now lets hope Buddy Nix is crazy enough to fork over a 2nd rounder for Campbell, because personally I'm not getting rid of Campbell for anything less then a second round pick.

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Well, with what I have heard, I still think that the best avenue would be to trade DOWN, and pick up a third rounder. Draft Bruce campbell late in the first round, around the 25-27 pick. With the second round pick, YOU GOTTA GET CIRON BLACK. The guy is a BEAST and is being overlooked right now. Then in the third, and ive been saying this for two onths now, assuming the trade down occurs, u gotta get Newhouse from TCU. Right there, we have Both tackles, a guard to go with Dock, and Rabach gets one season to redeem hisself. Not a bad line, alot of youth, but a GREAT base for our outlook for next season, drafting Jake Locker at any cost. Agree? Doable?

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[quote=Mechanix544;666371]Well, with what I have heard, I still think that the best avenue would be to trade DOWN, and pick up a third rounder. Draft Bruce campbell late in the first round, around the 25-27 pick. With the second round pick, YOU GOTTA GET CIRON BLACK. The guy is a BEAST and is being overlooked right now. Then in the third, and ive been saying this for two onths now, assuming the trade down occurs, u gotta get Newhouse from TCU. Right there, we have Both tackles, a guard to go with Dock, and Rabach gets one season to redeem hisself. Not a bad line, alot of youth, but a GREAT base for our outlook for next season, drafting Jake Locker at any cost. Agree? Doable?[/quote]
Just a couple questions.
25-27 is Baltimore, Arizona, and Dallas. Which one would trade with us? For who.

If I understand you want to trade the 4th pick overall for a late first and a late 3rd?

If we did do that trade, and assuming we are an avg team 7-9 thru 8-8, we would be picking around 13-16, so we would have to trade back up to get Locker, as you say at any cost, so then we are costing future picks again.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;666358]I rather like the idea of giving them LL and getting one of their OT's from them. I know someone on the site pointed out that we might be able to help each other out, but can't remember who...[/quote]


Sounds great, Vinny! I think that improving the current Super Bowl Champion and a conference opponent is a great idea. Let's throw in a 2nd and 6th too so they don't shop around...

This Laron Landry bashing is officially in the retarded stage.

Someone give me one team that he wouldn't start immediately on. In fact he would probably be the starting FS or SS on almost every team in the league.

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This was on the recent CNNSI mock draft about us possibly taking Bradford,

"With the Redskins' evaluation of quarterback Jason Campbell very much ongoing, this pick obviously has the potential to change to the offensive tackle that Washington so desperately needs. [B]We could go Oklahoma State tackle Russell Okung, and maybe we should. But for now, we're sticking with the headline-loving Redskins taking Bradford[/B] on the presumption that his throwing shoulder checks out healthy and Mike Shanahan falls in love with the kid during the combine interview process."

Why do we still get these kind of comments? I call BS.

It is funny that most mock draft shows Okung still there when we pick at #4. When need and talent collide like this to me it is a no brainer to take Okung. In past drafts when need and talent collided and lands in our lap gift wrapped like this (Champ Bailey, Samuels, Arrington, Sean Taylor) it really work for us. Why fight it?

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Arizona could use a new franchise QB.........Ravens do need recievers......(Santana for a third rounder possibly........) that way we could keep our first and second round picks, draft Okung at the 4 spot, and then hopefully trade up somehow 6-7 spots to snag Campbell late in the first. AND we still have our third rounder, which we could still get Newhouse for our interior, and put those three rookies together right off the bat, what a great group to solidify the line for, like I said, Locker next year. Hey, our owner will spend the cash, he has proven that. Noone said that winning was cheap. But its not always a bad thing to trade away draft picks to pick up a franchise QB such as Locker, especially for a group that can spend alot in FA.
.500 this year, ...........I, well, i just dont know what to say to you. Thanks for being a fan?

These are just one persons views, but I think they are a good idea.......not everyone will agree, I know that, but, it makes perfect sense to me. Gotta get young talent to learn that zone blocking scheme, and get em ready as a group to protect our future, LOCKER!!!!!

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[quote=Mechanix544;666377]Arizona could use a new franchise QB.........Ravens do need recievers......(Santana for a third rounder possibly........) that way we could keep our first and second round picks, draft Okung at the 4 spot, and then hopefully trade up somehow 6-7 spots to snag Campbell late in the first. AND we still have our third rounder, which we could still get Newhouse for our interior, and put those three rookies together right off the bat, what a great group to solidify the line for, like I said, Locker next year.[/quote] If this scenario happens I will come back and ask you for the Lotto numbers, I just don't see it as particularly realistic.
[quote] Hey, our owner will spend the cash, he has proven that. Noone said that winning was cheap. But its not always a bad thing to trade away draft picks to pick up a franchise QB such as Locker, especially for a group that can spend alot in FA.[/quote]
I agree winning isn't cheap, and some time you give up a pick to get a vital piece, but Locker still has another year in college, and we have the 4 spot this year. Again, not saying that a QB is the only choice, but not ruling it out either
[quote].500 this year, ...........I, well, i just dont know what to say to you. Thanks for being a fan?[/quote]Are you saying we will be better because if so, a) that makes the cost to get Locker even higher and b)the chance we would reach for any qb even less. Heck I will be hoping for a SB, but right now with our schedule, fluctuations on the line, and uncertainty at the QB spot, I think 500 is a reasonable position for a fan to project.

[quote]These are just one persons views, but I think they are a good idea.......not everyone will agree, I know that, but, it makes perfect sense to me. Gotta get young talent to learn that zone blocking scheme, and get em ready as a group to protect our future, LOCKER!!!!![/quote]Yes, it's just one person's view, as are mine, but you did end your post by asking "what do you think, doable, agree?" so I gave you my questions and thoughts.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;666375]Sounds great, Vinny! I think that improving the current Super Bowl Champion and a conference opponent is a great idea. Let's throw in a 2nd and 6th too so they don't shop around...

This Laron Landry bashing is officially in the retarded stage.

Someone give me one team that he wouldn't start immediately on. In fact he would probably be the starting FS or SS on almost every team in the league.[/quote]
That's not a Vinny move, and I wasn't bashing LL, I recognize he is valuable and we could trade him and get an equally valuable piece for our team. So we can't trade with anyone in our conference or any teams that were in the playoffs, going off your "improving the SB champ/conference statement". But they have alot of the best talent, and if we both improve our teams then it is the "win-win" scenario.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;666385]That's not a Vinny move, and I wasn't bashing LL, I recognize he is valuable and we could trade him and get an equally valuable piece for our team. So we can't trade with anyone in our conference or any teams that were in the playoffs, going off your "improving the SB champ/conference statement". But they have alot of the best talent, and if we both improve our teams then it is the "win-win" scenario.[/quote]

I am not big on filling a big hole and creating an equal one. Plus, do we even know that their tackles fit in our system?

I would trade Landry for a pro-bowl quality tackle who fits perfectly in Shanny's system. That is it.

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I'm not buying into all of this, "we gotta get this guy or we've got to get this guy!" again this year. The only guy I can say we [U]have[/U] to get, is the best damn offensive lineman we can. There is no effing way you can give me the name of some hot shot safety, rb, or some douche QB!

The Skins have five positions of absolute need. RT, RG, C, LG, and LT.

I don't want to hear about, "oh, jeez Tramp, you don't do that in one off season, nobody does that!" In a sane world you'd be right. You see there's only one guy on the line that can play, and that's Dock. The Bills didn't release him because he was all that!

Let the current D, and the "so-called" pantheon of WRs we have live up to mediocre and we'll be alright. Without a line . . . .

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What's the shimmy on the Lineman this year? Anybody make up a list yet?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;666387]I am not big on filling a big hole and creating an equal one. Plus, do we even know that their tackles fit in our system?

I would trade Landry for a pro-bowl quality tackle who fits perfectly in Shanny's system. That is it.[/quote]

Was Laron in the Pro Bowl? Did I miss that? We have others who could step into Landry's position far better than OT's we have now. Why would any other team trade a probowler for a underperforming player. I think GW would lobby for Landry, and we could get a solid OT in the process. I think this would make sense, but i would be fine keeping Landry as well.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;666389]I'm not buying into all of this, "we gotta get this guy or we've got to get this guy!" again this year. The only guy I can say we [U]have[/U] to get, is the best damn offensive lineman we can. There is no effing way you can give me the name of some hot shot safety, rb, or some douche QB!

The Skins have five positions of absolute need. RT, RG, C, LG, and LT.

I don't want to hear about, "oh, jeez Tramp, you don't do that in one off season, nobody does that!" In a sane world you'd be right. You see there's only one guy on the line that can play, and that's Dock. The Bills didn't release him because he was all that!

Let the current D, and the "so-called" pantheon of WRs we have live up to mediocre and we'll be alright. Without a line . . . .[/quote]

I agree. Dock needs to be our weak spot, not our strength. He was average (possibly slightly above average) when he left. I know that no one thought he deserved Hutchinson money.

I am for bringing Randy Thomas, Levi, and M.Williams back but only for minimums and as plan Bs who have a chance to win a starting spot.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;666397]Was Laron in the Pro Bowl? Did I miss that? We have others who could step into Landry's position far better than OT's we have now. Why would any other team trade a probowler for a underperforming player. I think GW would lobby for Landry, and we could get a solid OT in the process. I think this would make sense, but i would be fine keeping Landry as well.[/quote]


We have no other safety who is anywhere near as good as Landry. It isn't even close.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;666404]We have no other safety who is anywhere near as good as Landry. It isn't even close.[/quote]

BUT, the D as a whole can make up for a slightly weaker safety position, then the O can with the OT's we currently have. One way, or more than one way, we need to bring in SOLID OL players, and I am pretty sure the Saints OL counts as that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;666406]BUT, the D as a whole can make up for a slightly weaker safety position, then the O can with the OT's we currently have. One way, or more than one way, we need to bring in SOLID OL players, and I am pretty sure the Saints OL counts as that.[/quote]

Why don't we just draft a tackle with one of our first two picks, sign a tackle or two and keep Landry? Just because they were good with the Saints doesn't mean we can just plug them in here.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;666410]Why don't we just draft a tackle with one of our first two picks, sign a tackle or two and keep Landry? Just because they were good with the Saints doesn't mean we can just plug them in here.[/quote]

This would make sense, but a lot of pundits and fans feel that the Redskins have to take a QB in the first round.

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[quote=Ruhskins;666412]This would make sense, but a lot of pundits and fans feel that the Redskins have to take a QB in the first round.[/quote]

Right, like he said "one of the first two picks" So...QB in the first, OT in the 2nd" :)

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;666410]Why don't we just draft a tackle with one of our first two picks, sign a tackle or two and keep Landry? Just because they were good with the Saints doesn't mean we can just plug them in here.[/quote]

I am ok with that too, didn't say I wasn't. The main thing is to look at all possibilities, and try to do the best thing for the Skins as a whole team. That means that no player short of Orakpo is completely off limits to trade possibilities. Most scenarios won't play out, but if it improves our OL it ought to be evaluated thoroughly.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;666417]I am ok with that too, didn't say I wasn't. The main thing is to look at all possibilities, and try to do the best thing for the Skins as a whole team. That means that no player short of Orakpo is completely off limits to trade possibilities. Most scenarios won't play out, but if it improves our OL it ought to be evaluated thoroughly.[/quote]

I agree with that. In that case, I would offer Davis or Cooley to them before Dirty 30.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;666421]I agree with that. In that case, I would offer Davis or Cooley to them before Dirty 30.[/quote]

I think, in the case of Cooley, I would want more than just the OT, but maybe not, IF as you say Shanahan thinks the guy is the perfect fit. The thing is, GW would probably push and help get the trade through for Landry (and use him to his best potential, which would irk some of us to no end), but the Saints have Shockey, and they wouldn't look at Cooley/Davs as a need or worth the trade.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;666424]I think, in the case of Cooley, I would want more than just the OT, but maybe not, IF as you say Shanahan thinks the guy is the perfect fit. The thing is, GW would probably push and help get the trade through for Landry (and use him to his best potential, which would irk some of us to no end), but the Saints have Shockey, and they wouldn't look at Cooley/Davs as a need or worth the trade.[/quote]

And I think Landry wouldn't mind leaving, whereas Cooley would. Not that this should be a deal-breaker, but typically teams have traded players that they were not too happy with (but are still talented).