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[quote=FRPLG;681646]I wasn't aware Willie played Tackle. What? He doesn't. Since we don't currently have more than maybe 1/2 of a starting NFL tackle on our team I will withhold judgment. But I guess this does give us a pretty good indication of what they think of CP.[/quote]
Yeah my first concern was that Willie can't play tackle. I mean since we signed him we basically can't do anything at O-Line from here on out. I guess that they have a plan.

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The brilliance of this signing can only be understood within the context of our limited draft choices. Shanny/Allen have just five picks unless we acquire more and they're somewhat conspicuously signing FA's such that the only position we absolutely must upgrade is OT. I see us taking two OTs in the draft...everything else is pretty much up in the air.

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I don't think we'll draft a RB. If we do it'll be one with Return abilities, because thats a big need for us.

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I think if we can get each of these three RBs to embrace a limited role spread around in thirds, then we could have a pretty solid run-by-committee backfield. It's obviously very temporary given their age, but Allen/Shanny know we have other big needs in the draft on both sides of the ball and only 5 picks to address them. We could probably get away with not drafting a back this year. I don't love the idea, but Shanny's offenses have had monster rushing years with lesser backfields than we have as of today.

Certainly it would be fun to draft a guy like CJ Spiller or Ryan Matthews, but would that help us more than a top flight lineman, QB, or LB? For this upcoming season, I'm not so sure.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;681519]1991

Byner
Riggs
Ervins[/quote]

All three were great but they had a great O Line

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[quote=CultBrennan59;681664]I don't think we'll draft a RB. If we do it'll be one with Return abilities, because thats a big need for us.[/quote]

It's is probably a safe bet that they don't draft a RB this year.

I still want McCluster, though.

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[quote=mlmdub130;681644]just my opinion but i think alridge still has the most upside out of any of the backs we have on our roster, i have a feeling he will have a break out year this year and be our feature back for the next few years[/quote]

I think Alridge has upside because of his Shanny-treasured speed as well as the fact that, of our current backs, he alone plays special teams. I hope Alridge is working on that fumble-itis.

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Willie is the best back-up ever! (ha ha ha!)

Ok, here are the stats, Portis is better in the following categories: Yards per carry, yards per game, double digit TD seasons, over 1,200 yard seasons, 20+ yard carries, 40+ yard carries, 3 times as many receiving yards, and a WAY higher passer rating (lol).

Both have 2 pro-bowls, but CPs last one is more recent.

People are silly. They think of "Fast Willie" and grin, talking about how he should take CP's place when Portis is better in every statistical category that matters. Think about it. Willie's best season was 1,494 yards in 2006. Portis had 1,487 in 2008 with a crappy o-line. He's also got 3 seasons in the 1,500s... so to me there is no comparison. AND HE'S A YEAR YOUNGER THAN WILLIE!?!?!?

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);681685]Willie is the best back-up ever! (ha ha ha!)

Ok, here are the stats, Portis is better in the following categories: Yards per carry, yards per game, double digit TD seasons, over 1,200 yard seasons, 20+ yard carries, 40+ yard carries, 3 times as many receiving yards, and a WAY higher passer rating (lol).

Both have 2 pro-bowls, but CPs last one is more recent.

People are silly. They think of "Fast Willie" and grin, talking about how he should take CP's place when Portis is better in every statistical category that matters. Think about it. Willie's best season was 1,494 yards in 2006. Portis had 1,487 in 2008 with a crappy o-line. He's also got 3 seasons in the 1,500s... so to me there is no comparison. AND HE'S A YEAR YOUNGER THAN WILLIE!?!?!?[/quote]

Who said anything about WP taking CPs place? This is a head scratcher signing for me, but I didn't see anyone saying what you are accusing "people" of saying. Take the CP tinted glasses off bro, I think this move will make him better.

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[quote=Player_HTTR;681698]Who said anything about WP taking CPs place? This is a head scratcher signing for me, but I didn't see anyone saying what you are accusing "people" of saying. Take the CP tinted glasses off bro, I think this move will make him better.[/quote]

Don't ya love those out of left field posts that make you say... huh?

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[quote=Player_HTTR;681698]Who said anything about WP taking CPs place? This is a head scratcher signing for me, but I didn't see anyone saying what you are accusing "people" of saying. Take the CP tinted glasses off bro, I think this move will make him better.[/quote]

SFREDSKIN= "Maybe Portis will be traded?"
Dirtbag359="Maybe Portis ends up being the odd man out."
jdc65="I think Portis will not be on this team past camp."


First of all, Why is it that every time i defend CP people act like either i AM him or that i'm his biggest fan!? My current favorite Skin is London Fletcher, followed closely by DeAngelo Hall, Cooley, and THEN Portis. None of who am I more devoted to than my altime favs Darrell Green, Art Monk, and Sean Taylor. Portis is the friggin man and I will not let one concussion and a few bad statements change my whole opinion of him.

Sorry if my post seems unwarranted. It's not in direct response to many posts here. My friends are doggin' me about it. Either they are like, "Ha ha! New people in charge and they are STILL doing the same thing!" in reference to grabbing players past their prime... but mostly i'm getting it from friends that think that Fast Willie is guaranteed the #1 spot cuz Portis is old and LJ is slow. Granted, the one that is picking on me the most is a Steelers fan...
As for your opinion... i kinda agree. But to me, the only thing that will REALLY make him better is a better O-line.

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Prediction of RB position battle:

1. Portis (starter due to effectiveness running and pass pro)
2. Johnson (short yardage and expanded Betts role)
3. Parker (change of pace back)

Log it.

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[quote=Son Of Man;681707]Prediction of RB position battle:

1. Portis (starter due to effectiveness running and pass pro)
2. Johnson (short yardage and expanded Betts role)
3. Parker (change of pace back)

Log it.[/quote]

Logged

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;681601]Please they've been in the League one year & Sanchez has a great OL please you know this he has a great OL. It's how you evaluate your QB if you have a good coach you can get a good maybe even great QB in the later rounds that basically goes for any position i just beleive OL is a bigger need.[/quote]

I couldn't find it last night but thankfully found it today. I found this very interesting.

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=319933]EXTREMESKINS.com[/url]

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);681703]SFREDSKIN= "Maybe Portis will be traded?"
Dirtbag359="Maybe Portis ends up being the odd man out."
jdc65="I think Portis will not be on this team past camp."


First of all, Why is it that every time i defend CP people act like either i AM him or that i'm his biggest fan!? My current favorite Skin is London Fletcher, followed closely by DeAngelo Hall, Cooley, and THEN Portis. None of who am I more devoted to than my altime favs Darrell Green, Art Monk, and Sean Taylor. Portis is the friggin man and I will not let one concussion and a few bad statements change my whole opinion of him.

Sorry if my post seems unwarranted. It's not in direct response to many posts here. My friends are doggin' me about it. Either they are like, "Ha ha! New people in charge and they are STILL doing the same thing!" in reference to grabbing players past their prime... but mostly i'm getting it from friends that think that Fast Willie is guaranteed the #1 spot cuz Portis is old and LJ is slow. Granted, the one that is picking on me the most is a Steelers fan...
As for your opinion... i kinda agree. But to me, the only thing that will REALLY make him better is a better O-line.[/quote]

People who think that it is business as usual have no idea what they are talking about. When you sign proven players to one year deals you are creating a competitive environment. One year incentive laden deals are the best possible contract for the team. The player has no advantage in that situation.

Fast Willie isn't guaranteed the #1 spot at all. He probably has more to overcome than Portis and Johnson. Some people hate Portis so they ignore the facts.

Portis is the youngest of the three. Portis has a great track record in this coach's system. Portis' injury was a concussion not a blown out knee and I believe he would have come back earlier if they had anything to play for. I would argue that Portis has less doubts than Johnson and Parker.

Let the other team's fans say what they want. When our runningbacks are dumptrucking them you can laugh at all of them.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;681715]People who think that it is business as usual have no idea what they are talking about. When you sign proven players to one year deals you are creating a competitive environment. One year incentive laden deals are the best possible contract for the team. The player has no advantage in that situation.

Fast Willie isn't guaranteed the #1 spot at all. He probably has more to overcome than Portis and Johnson. Some people hate Portis so they ignore the facts.

Portis is the youngest of the three. Portis has a great track record in this coach's system. Portis' injury was a concussion not a blown out knee and I believe he would have come back earlier if they had anything to play for. I would argue that Portis has less doubts than Johnson and Parker.

Let the other team's fans say what they want. When our runningbacks are dumptrucking them you can laugh at all of them.[/quote]

All good points, what these two signings do is put very talented players in a highly competitive state, through financial incentives, with CP who really has no financial incentive. It is up to the coaches to get the best out of every player on the team, and if CP views this as a wake up call and participates and outperforms the other two the team wins, if he doesn't bounce back and either of the other two meet their incentives, the team still wins. Excellent for fans of the team, not necessarily for fans(or haters) of a specific player.

Re: Willie Parker a Skin
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;681715]People who think that it is business as usual have no idea what they are talking about. When you sign proven players to one year deals you are creating a competitive environment. One year incentive laden deals are the best possible contract for the team. The player has no advantage in that situation.

Fast Willie isn't guaranteed the #1 spot at all. He probably has more to overcome than Portis and Johnson. Some people hate Portis so they ignore the facts.

Portis is the youngest of the three. Portis has a great track record in this coach's system. Portis' injury was a concussion not a blown out knee and I believe he would have come back earlier if they had anything to play for. I would argue that Portis has less doubts than Johnson and Parker.

Let the other team's fans say what they want. When our runningbacks are dumptrucking them you can laugh at all of them.[/quote]

I agree. I don't particulary like Portis, but this is straight up telling it like it is. It's all about competition.

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No way all three are on roster on day one .

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);681685]Willie is the best back-up ever! (ha ha ha!)

Ok, here are the stats, Portis is better in the following categories: Yards per carry, yards per game, double digit TD seasons, over 1,200 yard seasons, 20+ yard carries, 40+ yard carries, 3 times as many receiving yards, and a WAY higher passer rating (lol).

Both have 2 pro-bowls, but CPs last one is more recent.

People are silly. They think of "Fast Willie" and grin, talking about how he should take CP's place when Portis is better in every statistical category that matters. Think about it. Willie's best season was 1,494 yards in 2006. Portis had 1,487 in 2008 with a crappy o-line. He's also got 3 seasons in the 1,500s... so to me there is no comparison. AND HE'S A YEAR YOUNGER THAN WILLIE!?!?!?[/quote]

did anybody here say that he was better than Portis?

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I don't know how anyone who has been watching the last two years can have any faith in Portis as a starting rb. That being said, this competition might get him riled up enough to care and produce. Maybe we didn't sign 2 great rbs, but they pretty good with star potential.

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probably means we won't go RB until next year's draft...which is fine...we have other more important needs to address...such as QB.

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this move pretty much eliminates drafting a back this year. we only have 5 picks and have to do the most with what we have.

Run first teams usually average well over 30 rush attempts per game so i don't see why these three backs couldn't share carries. of course one of the three would have to take more of a backseat but they would still see the field a fair amount of times.

my point is that we don't HAVE to cut any of these backs and they could all make the team. this three back system can work. this is a win-win situation for the team, either CP wakes up and returns to his old form or he gets out performed and we have a better rusher in the backfield.

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[quote=SBXVII;681709]I couldn't find it last night but thankfully found it today. I found this very interesting.

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=319933]EXTREMESKINS.com[/url][/quote]


Good info, i just think we have bigger needs than QB right now.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;681716]All good points, what these two signings do is put very talented players in a highly competitive state, through financial incentives, with CP who really has no financial incentive. It is up to the coaches to get the best out of every player on the team, and if CP views this as a wake up call and participates and outperforms the other two the team wins, if he doesn't bounce back and either of the other two meet their incentives, the team still wins. Excellent for fans of the team, not necessarily for fans(or haters) of a specific player.[/quote]

Portis does have about 3 - 4 million of incentive to be on the team this year.

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Some of you guys make it sound like Portis, Johnson, and Parker are washed up and done. We're talking about a group that's barely 30 years of age. One could argue that Johnson has the least wear and tear of the bunch. The point isn't which one will be great by himself, but the possibility of them being great together.

If we can get 1,800 yards combined out from this combo, it was well worth not drafting a big name running back this time around. As far as Parker goes, he's a true change of pace back for the Skins, and I'd take him over Rock or Betts any day of the week.

We are very quietly having a solid off season.

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[quote=halodoc;681725]No way all three are on roster on day one .[/quote]

An injury could make this true but I don't agree with you if Portis is ready to work.

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[quote=Zerohero;681730]I don't know how anyone who has been watching the last two years can have any faith in Portis as a starting rb. That being said, this competition might get him riled up enough to care and produce. Maybe we didn't sign 2 great rbs, but they pretty good with star potential.[/quote]

He was leading the league in rushing deep into '08.

He is better than people are giving him credit for.

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[quote=12thMan;681739]Some of you guys make it sound like Portis, Johnson, and Parker are washed up and done. We're talking about a group that's barely 30 years of age. One could argue that Johnson has the least wear and tear of the bunch. The point isn't which one will be great by himself, but the possibility of them being great together.

If we can get 1,800 yards combined out from this combo, it was well worth not drafting a big name running back this time around. As far as Parker goes, he's a true change of pace back for the Skins, and I'd take him over Rock or Betts any day of the week.

We are very quietly having a solid off season.[/quote]


Basically they have it all at runningback right now. All are experienced.

Portis is the combo back, he can also be the workhorse. Johnson is a good short yardage option and could be the workhorse. Parker seems to be the perfect 3rd down and change of pace speed back. I wouldn't want Parker to be the workhorse but he has done it before.

I feel like we can go into the draft with the runningback position covered from top to bottom.

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[quote=12thMan;681739]Some of you guys make it sound like Portis, Johnson, and Parker are washed up and done. We're talking about a group that's barely 30 years of age. One could argue that Johnson has the least wear and tear of the bunch. The point isn't which one will be great by himself, but the possibility of them being great together.

If we can get 1,800 yards combined out from this combo, it was well worth not drafting a big name running back this time around. As far as Parker goes, he's a true change of pace back for the Skins, and I'd take him over Rock or Betts any day of the week.

[B]We are very quietly having a solid off season.[/B][/quote]

That's an insightful truism.

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[quote=12thMan;681739]Some of you guys make it sound like Portis, Johnson, and Parker are washed up and done. We're talking about a group that's barely 30 years of age. One could argue that Johnson has the least wear and tear of the bunch. The point isn't which one will be great by himself, but the possibility of them being great together.

If we can get 1,800 yards combined out from this combo, it was well worth not drafting a big name running back this time around. As far as Parker goes, he's a true change of pace back for the Skins, and I'd take him over Rock or Betts any day of the week.

We are very quietly having a solid off season.[/quote]


Basically they have it all at runningback right now. All are experienced.

Portis is the combo back, he can also be the workhorse. Johnson is a good short yardage option and could be the workhorse. Parker seems to be the perfect 3rd down and change of pace speed back. I wouldn't want Parker to be the workhorse but he has done it before.

I feel like we can go into the draft with the runningback position covered from top to bottom.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;681738]Portis does have about 3 - 4 million of incentive to be on the team this year.[/quote]


According to Sat Washington Post it's 6 million due Portis,in my opinion....he's traded on draft day for more picks,or to move up.

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[quote=12thMan;681739]Some of you guys make it sound like Portis, Johnson, and Parker are washed up and done. We're talking about a group that's barely 30 years of age. One could argue that Johnson has the least wear and tear of the bunch. The point isn't which one will be great by himself, but the possibility of them being great together.

If we can get 1,800 yards combined out from this combo, it was well worth not drafting a big name running back this time around. As far as Parker goes, he's a true change of pace back for the Skins, and I'd take him over Rock or Betts any day of the week.

We are very quietly having a solid off season.[/quote]

Agreed.

LJ + Willie > Betts + Rock

Portis is not washed up, he was having a decent year last year until the concussion and what not. He averaged 4.0 YPC last year. LJ showed promise with the Bengals and under Shanahan i believe he can be even more productive. Willie is the only true wild card for me as far as production goes, but he's better than Rock and with LJ and Clinton we don't need him to be a pro bowl runner.

I think the reason people expect this backfield to fail is because their expectations are too high. We don't need them to all be the pro-bowl runners they once were. Their past history is in a sense haunting them, and people would see them not all reaching 1000 yards a failure. People need to lower their expectations and realize that they are a backfield by commitee now, not three superstars.

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[quote=Giantone;681745]According to Sat Washington Post it's 6 million due Portis,in my opinion....he's traded on draft day for more picks,or to move up.[/quote]


You are right. I think there was a half a million workout bonus but the rest of his 10+ million cap number is guaranteed. (roughly 3 mill in SB and 6 million in salary)

His agent did a good job for him.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;681748]The 6.5 is guaranteed. He will make over 10 if he makes it through the season.[/quote]

He still has some miles left,I think his price makes him expendable.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;681748]The 6.5 is guaranteed. He will make over 10 if he makes it through the season.[/quote]

My point about the financial incentives was that Portis doesn't have stat related incentives. I don't know this for a fact, but all in all, this backfield looks very capable ASSUMING nfl caliber line play. I really want to see how BA/MS address the line. The backs will all prove themselves.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;681751]My point about the financial incentives was that Portis doesn't have stat related incentives. I don't know this for a fact, but all in all, this backfield looks very capable ASSUMING nfl caliber line play. I really want to see how BA/MS address the line. The backs will all prove themselves.[/quote]


You are right. The only incentive he has here is a workout bonus... lol

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[quote=Giantone;681750]He still has some miles left,I think his price makes him expendable.[/quote]

I think MS/BA make him expendable, they have done a solid job RB wise.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;681753]I think MS/BA make him expendable, they have done a solid job RB wise.[/quote]


That would be a bitter pill to swallow to owe him 6.4 million and then let him go to potentially face you later in the season.

Can you IR someone if they don't have a season ending injury? They did it with Brennan last year, right?

If we are paying him that much, I wouldn't want someone else to be able to pick him up.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;681754]That would be a bitter pill to swallow to owe him 6.4 million and then let him go to potentially face you later in the season.

Can you IR someone if they don't have a season ending injury? They did it with Brennan last year, right?

If we are paying him that much, I wouldn't want someone else to be able to pick him up.[/quote]

I think you have to have a doctor say it is season ending, I don't know the intricacies but Brennan's injury got played up so that they could IR him.

I hope he does come back and has a big year, but if MS isn't seeing what he wants to see, then I imagine he will cut him quickly. He has nothing invested personally in any of the players yet. I am sure someone would pick him up if we let him go, but I doubt it would be anyone in our division, so not a huge problem for me if they do.

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Imagine sending Portis back to Denver in a package for Marshall; since McDaniels is doing the whole power block/run game out there.