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[quote=hooskins;686996]Yeah I honestly dont mind Fatal Bert missing workouts. As long as he is on the field he helps our team improve.[/quote]

Fatal Bert? Not you too hoo!!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;686957]^^ It's a nickname of a nickname (FatAl Bert) that bears no relation to anything. Yes. I too vote "Most Moronic Nickname"

It's like renaming SmootSmack "The Administrator Formerly Known As Smootsmack" and then calling him by the acronym "TAFKAS".[/quote]

I remember TAFKAS.


RIP, TAFKAS.

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What's wrong with Fatal Bert?

I think the nickname is the most logical one ever. I'm surprised Bristol hasn't started using it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;686957]^^ It's a nickname of a nickname (FatAl Bert) that bears no relation to anything. Yes. I too vote "Most Moronic Nickname"

It's like renaming SmootSmack "The Administrator Formerly Known As Smootsmack" and then calling him by the acronym "TAFKAS".[/quote]

Exactly...that's why SmootSmack was renamed "The [I][B]Artist[/B][/I] Formerly Known as SmootSmack" and then went by "TAFKAS"

(If I talk about myself in the 3rd person but am actually talking about an old screenname of mine...does that mean I'm talking in the 4th person?)

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Thanks JoeRedskin. My signature vacancy will soon be fully occupied.

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Damn it SS, way to get all technical. Now I cant use Joe's post as a sig....

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[quote=hooskins;687008]What's wrong with Fatal Bert?

I think the nickname is the most logical one ever. I'm surprised Bristol hasn't started using it.[/quote]

Because it sounds stupid. This reminds me of someone who kept referring Campbell as Jason Candle from the GEICO commercial. :doh:

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On the real though, I am glad 80 plus percent of people on the Path support Shanny.

To be clear, I suppose whatever Shanny wants as I want him to be the clear one in control. So we can trade AH, and no love lost here. But at the same time, voluntary workouts mean nothing to me.

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[quote=hooskins;687008]What's wrong with Fatal Bert?

I think the nickname is the most logical one ever. I'm surprised Bristol hasn't started using it.[/quote]

I can't believe we're actually having a discussion about this...what's so logical about calling him Fatal Bert? His name's not Bert, he's not dying, he didn't kill anyone

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I love the Candle commercial.

I also love scathing sarcasm.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;686999]Well, I don't think the article weighs in on that part of this debate, but it gives a good view of AH's view and personality.[/quote]

most definitely, although the article didnt really tell us anything we didnt already know.

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[quote=hooskins;687019]I love the Candle commercial.

I also love scathing sarcasm.[/quote]

sala!

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lol SS.

Yeah I guess I am in April Fools mode still. Well not really, I have given up getting upset at stupid posts. Best way of dealing with them IMO.

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[quote=hooskins;687025]lol SS.

Yeah I guess I am in April Fools mode still. Well not really, I have given up getting upset at stupid posts. Best way of dealing with them IMO.[/quote]

well played

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[quote=djnemo65;686933]Like the majority of posters I am siding with Shanahan here, if for no other reason than to support in the broadest terms the general change in discipline and atmosphere at Redskins Park that, needed for so long, Shanahan's arrival appears to be precipitating.

BUT, for some reason there exists a tendency amongst Redskins fans to severely underrate the impact that Haynesworth had on this team last season. Yes, he appeared to get injured several times a game, he huffed and puffed and didn't always seem in optimum shape, and he certainly came off poorly when criticizing Blache's defensive scheme in the media, in particularly uncharitable terms. Nevertheless, when on the field and firing on all cylinders he was every bit the disruptive, menacing force we paid for. It's not a coincidence that Carter and Orakpo both hit double-digit sacks for the year, Carter resurrecting a career that had seemed on the wrong side of done only a season prior.

AH might not be a guy I would choose to have a beer with; and in the end, he might not be a guy the new regime feels it can work with. Fine.[B] But what is so headscratching is the perception - perpetuated by both the media and fans - that he was a bust for us last season.[/B] Albert played like one of the best DT's in the league last year.[/quote]

How about the fact that they are actively trying to trade him away from the organization after signing him within hours of free agency opening?

How about the fact that they couldn't successfully trade him to another organization? He's on the block right now and no teams are fawning over him like Skins fans are over Brandon Marshall.

Somehow his playing value has diminished from the most highly sought after free agent, deserving $41M gauranteed within hours of free agency, to not tradeable even when you actively try to do so in a salary cap free environment.


Simple fact is that his perceived value around the league doesn't line up with his playing contract. Thus us having a hard time finding a trade partner.

If you think his value hasn't diminished then perhaps you are the only viable trade partner for the Skins.

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[quote=SmootSmack;687009]Exactly...that's why SmootSmack was renamed "The [I][B]Artist[/B][/I] Formerly Known as SmootSmack" and then went by "TAFKAS"

(If I talk about myself in the 3rd person but am actually talking about an old screenname of mine...does that mean I'm talking in the 4th person?)[/quote]

I think you're mistaking yourself for Doug Williams.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;687062]How about the fact that they are actively trying to trade him away from the organization after signing him within hours of free agency opening?

How about the fact that they couldn't successfully trade him to another organization? He's on the block right now and no teams are fawning over him like Skins fans are over Brandon Marshall.

Somehow his playing value has diminished from the most highly sought after free agent, deserving $41M gauranteed within hours of free agency, to not tradeable even when you actively try to do so in a salary cap free environment.


Simple fact is that his perceived value around the league doesn't line up with his playing contract. Thus us having a hard time finding a trade partner.

If you think his value hasn't diminished then perhaps you are the only viable trade partner for the Skins.[/quote]

Well in fairness the teams that were most active in getting him last year aren't in the running for the trade this year. Tampa knows it will get a stud DT in the draft, and although we made some offer to Philly, I doubt seriously that we are going to trade AH to the Giants in division. So to say how come he isn't demanding the same market, maybe because teams moved on once he was off the market.

And, we are not ACTIVELY looking for partners, we are passively listening to offers. The difference is like active radar in subs versus passive radar. Active radar means you are initiating the pings, you are putting out the noise to see what is reflected back to you. Passive radar means you are quiet, and listen to the noises in the water around you to see if something of interest is near you. Same thing with AH. Before April 1st we were active, to see if we could get someone else to take the 21 million dollar payout. Shockingly, there were no takers, so now that we have paid it, we are in a passive mode. Sure everyone knows that he could be had, but we are not wheeling and dealing him, but that wouldn't stop us from reacting if the right offer came along.

Remember that now his playing contract is basically 3 years for 16million. Lots of teams would take that contract, but not give up draft picks that we want in exchange. And at that remaining contract he remains an appealing player for our roster as well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;687017]I can't believe we're actually having a discussion about this...what's so logical about calling him Fatal Bert? His name's not Bert, he's not dying, he didn't kill anyone[/quote]

[IMG]http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/11-09/1119cowboys.jpg[/IMG] Almost did.

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[quote=SmootSmack;687017]I can't believe we're actually having a discussion about this...what's so logical about calling him Fatal Bert? His name's not Bert, he's not dying, he didn't kill anyone[/quote]

It really is stupid. They will win more games next year with or without Phat Albert. The only person who has been fatal for this franchise was Vinny.

Albert is so far down the list of our problems when it comes to winning football games it is comical.

It is real annoying to hear Albert takes all the hatred of fans because he signed a 4 year 48 million dollar contract. We went after him, he didn't beg to come here. He signed up to be a 4-3 DT and never wanted to play in a 3-4. He made that clear. So Al should get some benefit of the doubt.

I still think he should have come to the offseason workouts to support the new coach but this whole mess isn't all of Albert's fault. And btw, he is still probably the best player on our team.

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CRedskinsRule,

I think you meant SONAR. Radar is for finding things in the air. Sonar is for things in the water. That aside, good point.

Ken,
Former Submariner

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[quote=KC625;687107]CRedskinsRule,

I think you meant SONAR. Radar is for finding things in the air. Sonar is for things in the water. That aside, good point.

Ken,
Former Submariner[/quote]

Absolutely, sorry for the misuse and thanks for correcting it.

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If I was Haynesworth and I was determined to work out with my guy I would at least show up for the voluntary minicamp and also stop by to learn the defense a day or two a week.

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It looks like Haynesworth is determined to get off this team soon by forcing their hand. He is unhappy here and wants to leave. He will never live up to that contract and he knows it. It sounds like he is a mid-west, low key guy who doesn't want any negative media attention. It was a horrible signing, and the new staff is stuck with an overpaid and unhappy talent. I think they would accept a 2nd round pick for him on day 2 of the draft. This is an unfortunate set back as he will be difficult to replace, but one the team seems destined to make.

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[quote=jdc65;687145][B]It looks like Haynesworth is determined to get off this team soon by forcing their hand. He is unhappy here and wants to leave. [/B]He will never live up to that contract and he knows it. It sounds like he is a mid-west, low key guy who doesn't want any negative media attention. It was a horrible signing, and the new staff is stuck with an overpaid and unhappy talent. I think they would accept a 2nd round pick for him on day 2 of the draft. This is an unfortunate set back as he will be difficult to replace, but one the team seems destined to make.[/quote]
Do you have any source that backs this statement up? Again if you read the article I posted and his discussion about the defense, you don't here the intransigent behavior that you are describing.

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[quote=jdc65;687145]It looks like Haynesworth is determined to get off this team soon by forcing their hand. He is unhappy here and wants to leave. He will never live up to that contract and he knows it. It sounds like he is a mid-west, low key guy who doesn't want any negative media attention. It was a horrible signing, and the new staff is stuck with an overpaid and unhappy talent. I think they would accept a 2nd round pick for him on day 2 of the draft. This is an unfortunate set back as he will be difficult to replace, but one the team seems destined to make.[/quote]


Where did you dig all these assumptions up from the National Enquirer? You have a lot of assumptions in this post that you seem to be passing off as truths.

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Where there's smoke, there's fire. I can't remember where I read it, but I have read that Haynesworth is not a 'big city' guy. I also work with someone who knows the Haynesworth family, and grew up with his Albert's uncle. He said that Albert loved the University of Tennessee; the area, the people. He enjoyed playing for the Titans, and that Albert grew up a shy, introverted kid, but very temperamental. And that the criticism he received here really bothered him. He didn't say anything about Albert wanting to be traded or averse to the 3-4. Personally I think he would be fine with a trade, and he doesn't want to play in a 3-4.

It seems obvious to me that he came here for the money first and foremost. I have felt that he never seemed to really fit in here. He has made statements about the 3-4, his refusal to attend OTAs and possibly not attending voluntary camp just sends a very negative message as far as I am concerned. I do not see any way this gets resolved except for a trade. Of course I can't get in Shanahan's head, but I believe he will get whatever he can for Haynesworth and move on.

Too much smoke in the air for it all to be misrepresentation.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;686966]Very good two part article on AH. In the 2nd part he talks some about last year, and about the 3-4, and what he and Haslett have talked about. It's not earth shattering, but it is the most cohesive take on AH's point of view I have seen.
[URL="http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/"]Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/URL][/quote]
Giving me errors so here's a link to the cached copy if anyone else gets them too

[url=http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zHg0R-OiauYJ:www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/3/31/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-i.html+http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/3/31/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-i.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a]Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part I - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/url]

and part 2

[URL="http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html"]Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part*II - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/URL]

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[quote=Ruhskins;687013]Because it sounds stupid. This reminds me of someone who kept referring Campbell as Jason Candle from the GEICO commercial. :doh:[/quote]
That's the one that I was trying to think of to reply to Smoot's post about worst nickname ever.. to say yeah it's even worse than that one

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Interesting article on Haynesworth, sounds like a good guy and someone with long term, broad ranging plans for the future.
I just wonder about his commitment to football at this point with all that money, and all the other stuff he has going on.

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[quote=tryfuhl;687198]That's the one that I was trying to think of to reply to Smoot's post about worst nickname ever.. to say yeah it's even worse than that one[/quote]

Yeah but that at least was based on a commercial that even Campbell himself was in poking fun at himself

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[quote=SmootSmack;687256]Yeah but that at least was based on a commercial that even Campbell himself was in poking fun at himself[/quote]
Yeah I was going to type that out too but got lazy and figured it was implied by the other post about it being from the commercial

by explaining this I've just typed 11ty times what I had to by just adding that to my other post.. woe is me

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Fatal Bert...lol I still cant get over how amazingly terrible that name is...

It has no flow, no ring and no sense. Nothing.

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I kept thinking about this pic

[IMG]http://9-11.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/osama_bert.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=hooskins;687304]Fatal Bert...lol I still cant get over how amazingly terrible that name is...

It has no flow, no ring and no sense. Nothing.[/quote]

It really is pretty bad. Almost as bad as Hooskins, Ohhhhhhhh. Just kidding lol. But yeah I agree on Fatal Bert having no rhyme or reason. When I first saw it I thought it was a reference to a crazed Sesame Street character that goes around killing the other Muppets with a butcher knife.

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Muppetcide is an increasing blight on our society.

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I actually have that one part down pat to the point where I can actually impersonate Campbell saying "Candle? It's Campbell, Jason Campbell." Other then that I can't really do his voice.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;685623]This is what the Redskins have been missing for years...... [B][U]DISIPLINE !!!![/U][/B][/quote]

way to spell DISCIPLINE

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Haynesworth came to this team with some expectations and promises. Those expectations are no longer going to be met due to coaching changes. I'm inclined to side with Haynesworth and recommend to him that if he does not desire to play in the Skins' new defensive schema he give back the money and walk away.

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[quote=saden1;688472]Haynesworth came to this team with some expectations and promises. Those expectations are no longer going to be met due to coaching changes. I'm inclined to side with Haynesworth and recommend to him that if he does not desire to play in the Skins' new defensive schema he give back the money and walk away.[/quote]


I think there is a better chance of Al playing every snap this season than him giving $ back.

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[quote=Mattyk;685626]I think this should also put to bed this silly crap about Snyder still pulling strings. Imagine what he's thinking right now. I just cut a $21M check to AH and he's being shopped?

Shanahan's response?

Damn straight, this is my team.[/quote]

i likey :)