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[quote=Mattyk;688768]Well I'll trust Shanny when it comes to Portis, he has a history there with him and knows him much better than any of us.[/quote]

Didn;t he get rid of him in Denver?

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[quote=Defensewins;688775]Didn;t he get rid of him in Denver?[/quote]

Yeah but he got the best corner in the game and a 2nd rounder, who wouldn't have made that deal?

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[quote=Mattyk;688733]I don't think it's anything personal, I would guess that even before this offseason workout stuff came up AH was identified as a player to be moved this offseason.

[B]I haven't heard a peep outta Portis lately, have u? [/B] He seems to be playing the good soldier routine just fine. Regardless, CP fits in to our plans, AH doesn't.[/quote]

The reason CP aint talking is cause he gots two guys equally as talented as him trying for the #1 position. And I beleave Shanny has finally stopped the go run to Danny cause Coach is being MEAN.

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[quote=Mattyk;688777]Yeah but he got the best corner in the game and a 2nd rounder, who wouldn't have made that deal?[/quote]

Off Topic: I still think we were robbed in that trade.

We will be lucky to get a 2nd rounder for AH.

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Portis is doing everything right. He's lost weight, showed up in great camp, attending practice, not complaining about having serious competition. We'll see how long it lasts but as of right now there are no complaints about CP.

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[quote=warpaint;688778]The reason CP aint talking is cause he gots two guys equally as talented as him trying for the #1 position. [B]And I beleave Shanny has finally stopped the go run to Danny cause Coach is being stuff[/B].[/quote]

LOL! What a pussy move that was.

I still think there is a chance we deal Portis if the right deal comes along. Portis' best days are behind him and at $10m a year he ain't worth that.

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[quote=Defensewins;688758]In your opinion.
We hear all this big talk about how Shanahan wants to change the culture and piss poor attitude of the players. How is keeping Portis who has a history of being the #1 selfish asshole on our team changing the culture?
Plus Portis has durability issues and possible concussion problems that he has not tested yet, not to mention his huge $10M a year cost. If our front office really thinks Portis fits into our future plans I disagree with them. Portis gives up ans stops running hard when things do not go well.[/quote]

Exactly, why is he not being shopped he is a quitter. That dude didnt have those symptoms that long he just seen the way the team was going and jumped ship.

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[quote=SmootSmack;688782]Portis is doing everything right. He's lost weight, showed up in great camp, attending practice, not complaining about having serious competition. We'll see how long it lasts but as of right now there are no complaints about CP.[/quote]

Its the offseason. Portis has always been a work out guy. Being in shape ahs never been a problem.
Portis usually starts complaining when camp starts and is asked to play in a preseason game and it is downhill after that.

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Those waiting for CP to screw up will be waiting a long time I think.

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[quote=Defensewins;688784]LOL! What a pussy move that was.

I still think there is a chance we deal Portis if the right deal comes along. Portis' best days are behind him and at $10m a year he ain't worth that.[/quote]

I think we'll deal anyone but McNabb if the right deal comes along...but yeah I agree that Portis would be more likely than some others

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O.K. I would send Haynesworth to the Lions for Gosder Cherilus RT (fills a major hole), the Lions #2 2010 and a conditional pick 2011.

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[quote=Moondog;688516]^This^

I'm also not convinced that the two sides feel as strongly about the situation or each other as is being shopped around by bored sports writers.[/quote]

I agree with you and it was even mentioned that AH does not have a problem with staying with the Skins. He stated that after taking some time to think about it and talking with other players in a similar scheme he's not that upset knowing he will be given a chance to create chaos for other teams.

However, I think Shanahan is not happy with the whole I'm not sticking around attitude. If the team can move AH for a decent price they will but if they don't then both sides have to co-exist.

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[quote=SkinsfanNTX;688819]O.K. I would send Haynesworth to the Lions for Gosder Cherilus RT (fills a major hole), the Lions #2 2010 and a conditional pick 2011.[/quote]


Who the f--- is Gosder Cherilus?

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[quote=SkinsfanNTX;688819]O.K. I would send Haynesworth to the Lions for Gosder Cherilus RT (fills a major hole), the Lions #2 2010 and a conditional pick 2011.[/quote]

That is not a bad idea.

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[quote=drew54;688780]Off Topic: [B]I still think we were robbed in that trade.[/B]

We will be lucky to get a 2nd rounder for AH.[/quote]

Completely robbed.

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[quote=Lotus;688827]That is not a bad idea.[/quote]

I will take your word for it. Trade Heyer and a 2011 6th rounder for Cherub Rock.

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I just just don't understand the hurry to install the 3-4. It's not a prerequisite for being a superbowl contender.

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[quote=SkinsfanNTX;688819]O.K. I would send Haynesworth to the Lions for Gosder Cherilus RT (fills a major hole), the Lions #2 2010 and a conditional pick 2011.[/quote]
Like.......Odessa Permian West?

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[quote=Mattyk;688791]Those waiting for CP to screw up will be waiting a long time I think.[/quote]

Agree, he's on his best behavior & i think he likes competition.

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[quote]Those waiting for CP to screw up will be waiting a long time I think.[/quote]

I can hardly wait to see Portis trip himself in the open field again this year!

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;688842]Agree, he's on his best behavior & i think he likes competition.[/quote]
Hopefully, he can get his.....edge back

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People who think we should trade AH think about this

The Redskins have not been good at draft selection i know we have a new team in but think about it other than Orakpo who else in the last 8yrs has panned out I'm a JC supporter & i like CR & LL but who else from the draft has worked out for us errrrrrrrrrrrrr exactly. I think we have better coaching now so that will change but we know how good AH is & can be he's been working out he's got something to prove (we all agree on that).

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[quote=daseal;688844]i can hardly wait to see portis trip himself in the open field again this year![/quote]

qft!

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I totally expect Haynesworth to be dealt on day 2 of the draft. I think they will accept a 3rd rd pick if Albert pays any of his bonus back. I think Tennessee is the most likely destination, and will re-imburse Haynesworth a few million. Tennessee has the 77th pick, and they may include a 6th rounder, 185. I believe ShanAllen will take that.

If Detroit takes Okung, then maybe they have a plan in place to acquire Albert with a 2nd, 34th, with no payback of Albert's bonus.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;688847]People who think we should trade AH think about this

The Redskins have not been good at draft selection i know we have a new team in but think about it other than Orakpo who else in the last 8yrs has panned out I'm a JC supporter & i like CR & LL but who else from the draft has worked out for us errrrrrrrrrrrrr exactly. I think we have better coaching now so that will change but we know how good AH is & can be he's been working out he's got something to prove (we all agree on that).[/quote]

Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Fred Davis.... there are more but those three were, are, or will continue to be stellar

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[quote=Daseal;688844]I can hardly wait to see Portis trip himself in the open field again this year![/quote]

He has been doing that for the last 2 years. I still don't understand why even one media person has not asked him about this. What is wrong with Portis? He is hard to tackle but get him a hole and suddenly an invisible tackler appears.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;688848]qft![/quote]

Whats that? Quit f'ing talking.

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quoted for truth

Bit of a difference there.

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[quote=GTripp0012;688873]quoted for truth

Bit of a difference there.[/quote]

Sorry.

Maybe I should of, Quit f'ing talking.

So QTF= i agree?

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[quote=warpaint;688876]sorry.

Maybe i should of, quit f'ing talking.[/quote]

damn, that's all i got to say about that!!!

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[quote=12thMan;688700]Whoa, so let me get this straight. Our coaching staff should stay with the 4-3 to accommodate one guy who's getting attitudinal by the minute? If he can't get on board at any costs --literally and figuratively-- I don't want him on this team. I really don't see what's so hard to see about that. Shanny doesn't like the guy and I'm sure, at this point, the feeling is mutual. If the right deal comes along, let's just cut ties and keep it moving.

Over the past several seasons, the Redskins have had stellar defenses with less talent playing at the DT position. So I'm not buying the hype we should shuffle the deck to keep one guy happy. If Haynesworth wants to be happy, ship his tired ass back to Tennessee. Seriously. I'm really getting sick of this whole story.[/quote]
it's not just about AH

it's about our DEs, LBs, lack of NT, etc

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[quote=tryfuhl;688963]it's not just about AH

it's about our DEs, LBs, lack of NT, etc[/quote]

We have all of the D-line components to be successful. Part of the reason teams like the 3-4 aside from the advantages of the scheme itself are two fold. First the 3-4 on average is cheaper since you have less D-Lineman who these days are usually paid a premium (case in point "Fatal Bert" lol) and linebackers from a cost perspective are usually a dime a dozens, at least the ones that don't go after the passer. The D-Lineman themselves are easier to find because you don't need them to be ultra successful pass rushers, rather you're looking for 3 guys that can play hard and usually control gaps.

Sure our D-Line wont' be close to the Pat's with Warren and Wilfork without Haynesworth but thats something we can deal with. Also I came up with an interesting comparison for finding 3-4 players using the O-Line. The D-Lineman are equivalent to finding interior lineman (Guards and Centers), the ILB's are as important as RT's, and the LT of the 3-4 is most likely the OLB, especially one capable of rushing the passer.

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well I think that we have questions at at least 1 ILB spot, 1 OLB spot.. much of the line..

none of our LBs are particularly strong against the pass and they will have to drop back here and there

I'm not opposed to us eventually changing I just think that taking Haynesworth out of the equation makes one more huge hole to fill

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It's not like the team didn't know who they were dealing with or what his demands were when they signed the guy. Snyder should have realized this when he hired Allen and Shanahan.

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Anybody know how Anthony Montgomery and Kedric Golston fit in? I remember reading that Montgomery was actually on the bubble last time around.

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^ Perhaps Golston can be capable as a 3-4 DE.

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[QUOTE=jdc65;688855]I totally expect Haynesworth to be dealt on day 2 of the draft. I think they will accept a 3rd rd pick if Albert pays any of his bonus back. I think Tennessee is the most likely destination, and will re-imburse Haynesworth a few million. Tennessee has the 77th pick, and they may include a 6th rounder, 185. I believe ShanAllen will take that.

If Detroit takes Okung, then maybe they have a plan in place to acquire Albert with a 2nd, 34th, with no payback of Albert's bonus.[/QUOTE
If we can not get a 1st round pick or two 2nd round picks than no way should we trade AH. We paid him thus far 31 million for 1 season so no way we give him away for peanuts.

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I would hope that Marshall's deal would set the bar for any deal on AH. I don't want to trade him, but I will say Detroit's 2nd, and conditional 2nd/3rd next year would be tempting.

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Our defense last season was average at best. Our D could not force a turnover and stop teams when the game was on the line. Our defense got ran over and gave up to many big pass plays. Right now I'm concerned about our LBers for the 3-4 defense, only Orakpo maybe best suited for this scheme. London is getting old fast maybe Chris Wilson will surprise in the 3-4 defense as a pass rusher. I rather keep AH unless we got a 1st round pick or two 2nd round picks. If not I rather keep Big AH. Let him earn his money.

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In Saint country the rumors are running wild about a trade for AH involving OT Brown and a 4th with another pick next yr. Anyone else hear anything on this??