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[quote=mlmdub130;689667]if we trade ah for draft picks and get anything short of a 1st rounder or a 2nd and another round we will be getting a terrible deal, who ever gets ah is getting him at half price we aleady paid him around 30 mil out of around 42, if we trade him for a 3rd alone that would be one of the most insane trades in the history of the nfl imo[/quote]

exactly, which is why I said "what we've been hearing so far"...AH does not have the kind of trade value a player of his caliber should b/c people know he is going to pull this bush league stuff as soon as a situation does not suit him...no team wants to trade a 1st and 2nd round pick for an, albeit supremely talented, player who is going to ditch out the second there is some change he doesn't like... sad reality

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[quote=rbanerjee23;689687]exactly, which is why I said "what we've been hearing so far"...AH does not have the kind of trade value a player of his caliber should b/c people know he is going to pull this bush league stuff as soon as a situation does not suit him...no team wants to trade a 1st and 2nd round pick for an, albeit supremely talented, player who is going to ditch out the second there is some change he doesn't like... sad reality[/quote]

According to Shanahan's latest statements on the teams website, Haynesworth is not going to be traded. The only player whose name has been mentioned in trade is Campbell. He said AH decided to do his own thing and it's up to him to prove him wrong. He expects him to come in great shape, and Haslett said AH will play all three positions on the D-line.

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[quote=Longtimefan;689688]According to Shanahan's latest statements on the teams website, Haynesworth is not going to be traded. The only player whose name has been mentioned in trade is Campbell. He said AH decided to do his own thing and it's up to him to prove him wrong. He expects him to come in great shape, and Haslett said AH will play all three positions on the D-line.[/quote]

That's not exactly true...Shanahan said that he is not trying to deal Haynesworth [B]but they are listening to offers for him[/B]. That means that if the right offer came along, he would trade Haynesworth in a second

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[quote=rbanerjee23;689689]That's not exactly true...Shanahan said that he is not trying to deal Haynesworth [B]but they are listening to offers for him[/B]. That means that if the right offer came along, he would trade Haynesworth in a second[/quote]

I just asked the moderator to post the link because I can't do it from this computer. Check out the link for yourself on the teams website. It does not mention what you're saying.

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[quote=Longtimefan;689690]I just asked the moderator to post the link because I can't do it from this computer. Check out the link for yourself on the teams website. It does not mention what you're saying.[/quote]

Shanahan was pretty blunt in his answers but I think he was using a bit of coach pre draft speak. He also said he wanted more picks, and that he was going to do what is best for the Redskins. On Thursday and Friday I imagine BA will be making and receiving many calls about acquiring picks and trading players.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;689689]That's not exactly true...Shanahan said that he is not trying to deal Haynesworth [B]but they are listening to offers for him[/B]. That means that if the right offer came along, he would trade Haynesworth in a second[/quote]

Saying they "are listening to offers for him" essentially means nothing IMO. Every GM/coach in the league always will tell you they are constantly looking for ways to improve their team. If someone offered the Colts a 1st round pick for each of the next 10 years for Peyton Manning, Bill Polian would probably "listen" to that offer as well. Shopping a player is a very different story of course. And apparently we aren't shopping AH.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;689692]Shanahan was pretty blunt in his answers but I think he was using a bit of coach pre draft speak. He also said he wanted more picks, and that he was going to do what is best for the Redskins. On Thursday and Friday I imagine BA will be making and receiving many calls about acquiring picks and trading players.[/quote]

Shanahan said Albert Haynesworth is a key part of the Redskins plans and that there had been no mention of trading him or any other player since he's been here with the exclusion being Campbell.

Now I don't know just what to read into that, but it dosen't sound as though the intention is to trade him, unless one chooses to interpet that key part of their plans as being a trade.

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[quote=Longtimefan;689690]I just asked the moderator to post the link because I can't do it from this computer. Check out the link for yourself on the teams website. It does not mention what you're saying.[/quote]

This link?

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Conclude_First__Mini_Camp_113043.jsp]Redskins Conclude First Mini-Camp[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;689703]This link?

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Conclude_First__Mini_Camp_113043.jsp"]Redskins Conclude First Mini-Camp[/URL][/quote]

From the article:
[I]The offensive line, which struggled last year even before injuries struck, will have a new look without left tackle Chris Samuels and right guard Randy Thomas (released) but Kyle Shanahan said he liked the group as it exists. Stephon Heyer lined up at left tackle and free agent Artis Hicks at right tackle in this go-round.[/I]

[I]“You see size and you see speed,” Kyle Shanahan said. [B]“You can’t ask for more.”[/B][/I]

Oh yes you can, Kyle. You can ask for much, much more than this current group.

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[quote=SmootSmack;689703]This link?

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Conclude_First__Mini_Camp_113043.jsp]Redskins Conclude First Mini-Camp[/url][/quote]

No! the first link on the story line. "The first mini-camp is a wrap.

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[quote=Longtimefan;689706]No! the first link on the story line. "The first mini-camp is a wrap.[/quote]

No need to yell. This is the "First Mini-Camp is a Wrap" story. Am I missing something?

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[quote=SmootSmack;689709]No need to yell. This is the "First Mini-Camp is a Wrap" story. Am I missing something?[/quote]

Sorry...It's the first link of the eight front page stories.

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[quote=SmootSmack;689709]No need to yell. This is the "First Mini-Camp is a Wrap" story. Am I missing something?[/quote]

The titles are one and the same (sorry) The initial front page story title is mini-camp wrap...the actual story cover is redskins conclude first mini-camp. Regret the confusion. Thanks

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[quote=Longtimefan;689702]Shanahan said Albert Haynesworth is a key part of the Redskins plans and that there had been no mention of trading him or any other player since he's been here with the exclusion being Campbell.

Now I don't know just what to read into that, but it dosen't sound as though the intention is to trade him, unless one chooses to interpet that key part of their plans as being a trade.[/quote]
Well, it sure seemed like the Skins have been listening to, and at some points up till now, actively seeking trades of various players. But I agree Shanahan's answers were pretty dismissive of potential trades. I don't know how to reconcile those two things other than to say Shanahan's comments were more so pre draft speak and proper team building comments.

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[quote=GMScud;689705]From the article:
[I]The offensive line, which struggled last year even before injuries struck, will have a new look without left tackle Chris Samuels and right guard Randy Thomas (released) but Kyle Shanahan said he liked the group as it exists. Stephon Heyer lined up at left tackle and free agent Artis Hicks at right tackle in this go-round.[/I]

[I]“You see size and you see speed,” Kyle Shanahan said. [B]“You can’t ask for more.”[/B][/I]

Oh yes you can, Kyle. You can ask for much, much more than this current group.[/quote]

In the thread "pick our starters on the O-line" I had Hicks starting at RT, but Heyer at LT has me scratching my head.

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Ok now I'm Fing confused. Please tell me how AH being offered in a trade in order to pick up McNabb constitutes AH is not being traded? It was confirmed by the Eagles.

Everyone get off your high horse and look at the facts.

I too saw a comment made by Mike Shanahan stating we was basically not calling teams and trying to see what they would give for him. In other words he is not trying to trade AH. BUT..... he also stated if the right trade scenario came along he would look into it to see if it benifited the Skins.

I know PFT is not the best news source, but they got their info from the Washington Post this time....
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/18/shanahan-says-there-have-been-no-haynesworth-trade-talks-at-all/]Shanahan says there have been no Haynesworth trade talks, at all | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

No different then PFT though, I agree someones telling a lie.

[QUOTE]Hey, if you're gonna lie, you may as well lie big.[/QUOTE]

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Here ya go....

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/09/shanahan-calls-haynesworth-trade-talk-speculation/]Shanahan calls Haynesworth trade talk "speculation" | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

[QUOTE]"There is nothing to clarify," Shanahan said. "It is just speculation. He's part of the organization. I am just looking for him to come in and work and be like everyone else. [B]No, we're not going to trade him at all, unless someone gives us something we would have to consider -- that's pretty standard with any player on your roster. [/B] He's a pretty smart guy. He's really talented. I think I can get that out of him.''
[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SBXVII;689721]Ok now I'm Fing confused. Please tell me how AH being offered in a trade in order to pick up McNabb constitutes AH is not being traded? It was confirmed by the Eagles.

Everyone get off your high horse and look at the facts.

I too saw a comment made by Mike Shanahan stating we was basically not calling teams and trying to see what they would give for him. In other words he is not trying to trade AH. BUT..... he also stated if the right trade scenario came along he would look into it to see if it benifited the Skins.

I know PFT is not the best news source, but they got their info from the Washington Post this time....
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/18/shanahan-says-there-have-been-no-haynesworth-trade-talks-at-all/]Shanahan says there have been no Haynesworth trade talks, at all | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

No different then PFT though, I agree someones telling a lie.[/quote]

The easiest way to spread rumors in the world of sports is "sources said" nobody knows who these sources are. When you want to drive a story of your own just make-up something/anything and say sources said it. Some people have a tendency to believe everything they read.

There has been a lot of eroneous reporting in the Haynesworth case.

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[quote=SBXVII;689721]Ok now I'm Fing confused. Please tell me how AH being offered in a trade in order to pick up McNabb constitutes AH is not being traded? It was confirmed by the Eagles.

Everyone get off your high horse and look at the facts.

I too saw a comment made by Mike Shanahan stating we was basically not calling teams and trying to see what they would give for him. In other words he is not trying to trade AH. BUT..... he also stated if the right trade scenario came along he would look into it to see if it benifited the Skins.

I know PFT is not the best news source, but they got their info from the Washington Post this time....
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/18/shanahan-says-there-have-been-no-haynesworth-trade-talks-at-all/]Shanahan says there have been no Haynesworth trade talks, at all | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

No different then PFT though, I agree someones telling a lie.[/quote]

AH was part of the very preliminary discussions with Philly back in February

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/18/redskins-are-putting-out-the-word-that-theyre-taking-a-quarterback/]Redskins are putting out the word that they're taking a quarterback | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Right now, I'm interpreting this as a message to McNabb's agent to "get that latest contract extension offer signed, or enjoy choosing between Oakland and Buffalo next year."

I do have a strong suspicion (actually, more than a personal suspicion) that this might be more than a bluff. At least that: the Redskins haven't decided against taking Jimmy Clausen with the 4th pick.

Certainly though, it's no more likely than on the day we made the McNabb trade. Surprisingly, it's just not less likely.

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[quote=GTripp0012;689734][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/18/redskins-are-putting-out-the-word-that-theyre-taking-a-quarterback/]Redskins are putting out the word that they're taking a quarterback | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Right now, I'm interpreting this as a message to McNabb's agent to "get that latest contract extension offer signed, or enjoy choosing between Oakland and Buffalo next year."

I do have a strong suspicion (actually, more than a personal suspicion) that this might be more than a bluff. At least that: the Redskins haven't decided against taking Jimmy Clausen with the 4th pick.

Certainly though, it's no more likely than on the day we made the McNabb trade. Surprisingly, it's just not less likely.[/quote]
Add this to Kyle Shanahan's OL comments, and it seems like a not to subtle ploy to get Seattle/Cle/Buffalo to pull the trigger on a trade. 4 days and counting to round 1.

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I think it's a lot of things, serving a lot of purposes. I do think it's calucated, and not a coincidence. I just don't think it's utter bullsh-t, as a lot of people are going to read it as.

I think there's some fire here.

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When listening to offers for him, I was referring to the ESPN video on the Redskins' mini-camp. The reporter they had sent said that when speaking to Shanahan about Haynesworth, the coach said they were listening to offers but were not actively dealing him ... While they may say that they are not looking to trade him right away, it certainly seems like something they are considering

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Also: what is intentioned by suggesting they'll take "a quarterback"? That it doesn't matter who is available? We're just going to take whoever.

Next face of the franchise? Eh, whatever we can get.

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[quote=GTripp0012;689740]Also: what is intentioned by suggesting they'll take "a quarterback"? That it doesn't matter who is available? We're just going to take whoever.

Next face of the franchise? Eh, whatever we can get.[/quote]

Not necessarily, I think they would be happy with either Bradford or Clausen. One is going to be there at #4 unless the Rams, Detroit or Tampa make a trade. Only the Rams and Tampa could use a QB, but I think Tampa wants something else.

At this point though I think we are hillaciously smoke screening in order to move down to get more picks. I can see them being satisfied with our LT positions right now even though we fans are not. We have McNabb so I don't see us picking up a QB. RB is set for now unless we are thinking power back. TE is set. WR has some question with Kelly, and ARE's spot is still available.

Offensively:
LT
QB
WR

Defensively:
LB
FS
CB

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[quote=SBXVII;689767]Not necessarily, I think they would be happy with either Bradford or Clausen. One is going to be there at #4 unless the Rams, Detroit or Tampa make a trade. Only the Rams and Tampa could use a QB, but I think Tampa wants something else.

At this point though I think we are hillaciously smoke screening in order to move down to get more picks. I can see them being satisfied with our LT positions right now even though we fans are not. We have McNabb so I don't see us picking up a QB. RB is set for now unless we are thinking power back. TE is set. WR has some question with Kelly, and ARE's spot is still available.

Offensively:
LT
QB
WR

Defensively:
LB
FS
CB[/quote]

I say that DL is a bigger need than the secondary.

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[quote=SBXVII;689767]Not necessarily, I think they would be happy with either Bradford or Clausen. One is going to be there at #4 unless the Rams, Detroit or Tampa make a trade. Only the Rams and Tampa could use a QB, but I think Tampa wants something else.

At this point though I think we are hillaciously smoke screening in order to move down to get more picks. I can see them being satisfied with our LT positions right now even though we fans are not. We have McNabb so I don't see us picking up a QB. RB is set for now unless we are thinking power back. TE is set. WR has some question with Kelly, and ARE's spot is still available.

Offensively:
LT
QB
WR

Defensively:
LB
FS
CB[/quote]


Like your post this is how i see it:

Offensively:
LT
QB - next yr.
WR - if possible pick up a veteran, although i think the guys we have will shine this year.

Defensively:
LB
FS
CB- we have enough competition in camp already[/QUOTE]

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[quote=GTripp0012;689734][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/18/redskins-are-putting-out-the-word-that-theyre-taking-a-quarterback/"]Redskins are putting out the word that they're taking a quarterback | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL]

Right now, I'm interpreting this as a message to McNabb's agent to "get that latest contract extension offer signed, or enjoy choosing between Oakland and Buffalo next year."

I do have a strong suspicion (actually, more than a personal suspicion) that this might be more than a bluff. At least that: the Redskins haven't decided against taking Jimmy Clausen with the 4th pick.

Certainly though, it's no more likely than on the day we made the McNabb trade. Surprisingly, it's just not less likely.[/quote]

For as close as MS plays things to the vest, I think it's really, really unlikely that any "leaked" information about what we're going to do with that 4th pick has any weight.

I think we're trying to drum up interest by another team in that 4th pick. We have SOOO many needs, and the fewest picks of ANY team in the league. Ignoring the offensive line to take a QB at #4 would be extremely stupid unless it's Bradford, and there's no chance he's gonna be there.

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[quote=SBXVII;689767]Not necessarily, I think they would be happy with either Bradford or Clausen. One is going to be there at #4 unless the Rams, Detroit or Tampa make a trade. [B]Only the Rams and Tampa could use a QB, [/B]but I think Tampa wants something else.

At this point though I think we are hillaciously smoke screening in order to move down to get more picks. I can see them being satisfied with our LT positions right now even though we fans are not. We have McNabb so I don't see us picking up a QB.[B] RB is set for now unless we are thinking power back. [/B]TE is set. WR has some question with Kelly, and ARE's spot is still available.

[/quote]

The 1st point in bold- Tampa has exactly a 0% chance of drafting a QB with their first pick. They picked Josh Freeman in the 1st round last year, and he played some pretty good games down the stretch. No way they go that route again. I think it's a near certainty they take McCoy, Suh, or Berry with their first pick, unless someone offers a king's ransom to move up to their spot.

To 2nd point- we're probably set for now, but I still think there's a chance that either Parker or Johnson won't make the final cut. I had to bet, I'd say someone camp trash will be our treasure (relatively speaking), and/or we use one of our late picks on a back.

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I just hope Detroit passes on Okung so we get him at 4. Hopefully they draft another Tackle in round 4 or 5, and get a Linebacker, and a RB or DB. That is all I expect, and all I hope for out of this draft.

We are stuck with the 4 picks we have, let's just hope they make the best of it, and fill some holes.

Trading a starting player, or Campbell, for a late 4th, or worse, round pick only hurts the team in my opinion.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;689660]I was watching that mini-camp video posted on ESPN.com. They mentioned that Devin Thomas dropped a long ball by McNabb. I don't know why everyone is so high on him. He reminds me of Rob Gardner 2.0.[/quote]
Yeah man.. that's why I don't want to draft Okung, he's given up a sack before. Reminds me of Heyer.

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[quote=GMScud;689670]In what way?[/quote]
Seriously, I have a hard time figuring these guys out. You hear constant praise about Kelly's work ethic and physical abilities. He made some key catches last year, he just wasn't worked into the fold a lot. He's not running his trap and [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Just-Give-Me-Damn-Ball/dp/0446521450"]writing books[/ame].

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[quote=mlmdub130;689675]just crap like that i guess, this was from dec 08 but i just feel like thats his attitude towards the game[/quote]
He admits that he came into it wrong, it'll be fine.

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Nice write up from the examiner:
[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/At-first-glance_-lots-to-do-91437244.html]Rick Snider: At first glance, lots to do | Washington Examiner[/url]

[QUOTE]Teammates stared at quarterback Donovan McNabb, bewildered that the Redskins' nemesis is actually on their side. The former Philadelphia star opened Sunday with a 40-yard strike, which Washington has seen from him before -- only this time it was a good thing.[/QUOTE]

Not a deep read, but sounds like the mini camp was positive all around.
I do have a question, for anybody who might know, at Shanahan's press conference he was asked about a demerit board or infraction board, and the way I understood it, if you make a discipline type mistake you get ding'ed for it. Does anyone know any more of what that is?

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Speaking of "smoke screens" the way the Shanahan's have described our O-line personnel would lead one to believe they're satisfied (at least to some extent) with much of what we already have in place. Could this be a draft disguise or has our personnel been a subject of devalue?

Maybe it's not the intention to draft a tackle at #4 at all, if they decide not too, it would be great if we could find a trade partner to acquire more picks that we so desperately need.

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So Laron Landry looks absolutely, ridiculously huge.
We know since he got moved to FS that he hasn't played to his potential, BUT:
- He has great speed
- He fit really well playing SS near the line his last year at LSU
-He now looks bigger than some of our D-linemen

Any chance we move him to LB, then draft Berry for FS, SS is a dogfight between Horton and Doughty, and we have a shored up LB and Secondary core.

We can take a stop gap approach with O-line, though I'd prefer a LT or trade back.

I just brought this up only because it looks like Landry cycled once or twice in the offseason, or did nothing but eat, sleep, shit in the gym for 3 months.

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Landry is up to 230 but that's still on the small side for LB. I do think he will be utilized better in this defense and won't be left alone as the "savior" where his coverage skills are exposed.

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Anyone know why Landry has bulked up? I'm assuming he's bulked up w/muscle & not fat.

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I'm guessing he's bulked up in anticipation of playing down in the box more this year. Have you seen the mini camp pic of him? I'd say there's no worry about him putting on fat.

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I know, as well as everyone else, that OT is our biggest hole. However, Eric Berry really is the best player on the board. Landry could really help out near the line of scrimmage if we draft Berry, and look to signing guys like Flozell Adams for a year as stop-gap measures.

I'll repeat what everyone's said on here so far, Thursday is going to be crazy, and I can't wait for it. We have a lot of options.