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What happened to Keenan Robinson??

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[quote=IrMitchell;932004][B]Yeah but a runningback's first priority is to run. [/B]Hightower is by far the worst of the 4 runners we can go with this season.[/quote]
Maybe 20 year's ago. Today with teams passing so much more than running a RB has to pass block and run routes as often as run with the ball.

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[quote=IrMitchell;932004]Yeah but a runningback's first priority is to run. Hightower is by far the worst of the 4 runners we can go with this season.[/quote]

hightower is better overall factoring pass pro.

btw, morris didn't have a good night. he had 2 good runs, but ended up with 10 rushes for 34 yards (3.4ypc) AND he whiffed on major wright, which resulted directly in the griffin fumble. You can't have one 20 yard run, 8 0-1 yarders and a sack fumble in 10 plays. that's just not getting it done.

I'd take hightower over that any day.

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[quote=That Guy;932012]hightower is better overall factoring pass pro.

btw, morris didn't have a good night. he had 2 good runs, but ended up with 10 rushes for 34 yards (3.4ypc) AND he whiffed on major wright, which resulted directly in the griffin fumble. You can't have one 20 yard run, 8 0-1 yarders and a sack fumble in 10 plays. that's just not getting it done.

I'd take hightower over that any day.[/quote]
I suggest you re-watch the game.

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[quote=rypper11;932010]Maybe 20 year's ago. Today with teams passing so much more than running a RB has to pass block and run routes as often as run with the ball.[/quote]
We have a rookie QB, we better not be adopting the Tom Brady/Peyton Manning style of offense.

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[quote=IrMitchell;932013]I suggest you re-watch the game.[/quote]

[quote=NFL]A. Morris - 10 Att, 34 yards, long of 21. 3.4ypr[/quote]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012081852/2012/PRE2/redskins@bears#menu=highlights&tab=analyze"]NFL Game Center: Washington Redskins at Chicago Bears - 2012 Preseason Week 2[/URL]

why? am i wrong? nfl.com doesn't seem to think so, and here's someone else who found the missed assignment and a quote where he admits he f'd up:
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-bears-five-observations-from-saturdays-game/2012/08/19/48fc7234-ea1e-11e1-87c7-93316b9dfff3_blog.html"]Redskins-Bears: Five observations from Saturday’s game - The Insider - The Washington Post[/URL]

[quote=The Washington Post]But Morris admittedly missed his assignment — picking up blitzing safety Major Wright — on the play that resulted in Griffin’s fumble. Morris saw Wright coming, but then the defensive back pulled up, and Morris left the backfield and went on a pass route and Wright pressured Griffin, who was then caught from behind by Israel Idonije. Morris said, “he got me there,” referring to how the veteran threw him off.[/quote]

so, uh, what exactly did I miss or misrepresent that would be worth watching that again?

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[quote=IrMitchell;932014]We have a rookie QB, we better not be adopting the Tom Brady/Peyton Manning style of offense.[/quote]

Only the Broncos, Texans, 49ers and Jaguars ran more than they threw. It's just not a running league any more.

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[quote=Mattyk;931369]Rex has looked solid enough in practice, he's not going anywhere. Hell I wouldn't even play him during the preseason. Get RG3 and Cousins all the snaps they can get.[/quote]Do you think practice is good enough for Rex to get used to throwing to Garcon, Morgan, Paul, etc? Agreed about getting RG3 and Cousins as much reps as possible, just thinking how different playing time is.

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I thought Morris did fine...the blocking was absolutely horrible...the Bears shut down everything after they figured out we were run first with RG3...cant blame that on morris...sure he missed a block, but kids in college don't do a lot of pass blocking...that is expected

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[quote=HailGreen28;932064]Do you think practice is good enough for Rex to get used to throwing to Garcon, Morgan, Paul, etc? [/quote]

Frankly, I think you are quite alone in worrying about how many reps Rex gets at this point.

Who really gives a crap?..if Grossman ends up in a game...he will just close his eyes and throw will full confidence and authority to wherever he feels like it. It doesn't really matter where the receivers or defenders are anyways. Why worry about giving him reps..it wont change a thing!

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[quote=rypper11;932061]Only the Broncos, Texans, 49ers and Jaguars ran more than they threw. It's just not a running league any more.[/quote]

Three of those teams made the playoffs. One is a contender for the AFC this year with a healthy Matt Schaub. The 9ers were two muffed punts away from the Super Bowl. Running isn't all bad. I would take that over 5-11.

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Would rather see cousins or the guy SS likes (Crompton?) play in a game before Grossman again.

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my point wasn't that morris is horrible, just that 3.4ypc and poor pass pro aren't going to be enough to unseat hightower as things currently stand. the OL is an issue, just like it was last year.

as far as running teams making the playoffs, the majority of playoff teams weren't run first, and the SB winner wasn't either, so that's not exactly an automatic qualifier.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;932072]Would rather see cousins or the guy SS likes (Crompton?) play in a game before Grossman again.[/quote]

Me? Crompton? No, Lotus likes (loves? lusts after?) him. I couldn't care less

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Grossman needs to see the field like I need another beer. We both want to but no one else thinks we have done anything to deserve it yet.

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[B]QBs[/B] Griffin III, Cousins, Grossman

[B]RBs[/B] Hightower, Royster, Helu [COLOR="red"](Morris PS)[/COLOR]

[B]FB[/B] Young

[B]TEs[/B] Davis, Paulsen, Paul [COLOR="Red"](Cooley traded)[/COLOR]

[B]WRs[/B] Garcon, Hankerson, Moss, Morgan, Briscoe, Robinson, Banks

[B]OTs[/B] Williams, Brown*, Polumbus, Smith, [COLOR="red"](Compton PS)[/COLOR]

[B]Gs[/B] Chester, Lichtenstieger, Gettis, Hurt

[B]C[/B] Montgomery, LeRibeus

[B]OLBs [/B]Orakpo, Kerrigan, Jackson, Wilson

[B]ILBs[/B] Fletcher, Riley, Alexander, Robinson

[B]NTs[/B] Cofield, Baker

[B]DEs[/B] Carriker, Bowen, Jenkins, Golston

[B]CBs[/B] Hall, Wilson, Crawford, Barnes

[B]Ss[/B] Jackson, Williams, Merriweather, Doughty, Bernstine

[B]K[/B] Gano

[B]P[/B] Rocca

[B]LS[/B] Sunberg

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QB: RG3, GROSSMAN, COUSINS (3)

RB: HIGHTOWER, HELU, ROYSTER, MORRIS (4)

FB: YOUNG (1)

TE: DAVIS, COOLEY, PAULSEN (3)

WR: GARCON, MOSS, HANKERSON, MORGAN, ROBINSON, BANKS (6)

T: WILLIAMS, POLUMBUS, SMITH, COMPTON (4)

G: LICHTENSTEIGER, CHESTER, MO HURT, LERIBEUS, GETTIS (5)

C: MONTGOMERY (1)

DE: CARRIKER, BOWEN, JENKINS, GHOLSTON (4)

DT: COFIELD, BAKER (2)

OLB: ORAKPO, KERRIGAN, WHITE, JACKSON (4)

ILB: FLETCHER, RILEY, ROBINSON, ALEXANDER (KEHL CAN'T CATCH A COLD) (4)

CB: HALL, WILSON, CRAWFORD, BARNES, GRIFFIN (5)

S: MERRIWEATHER, WILLIAMS, DOUGHTY, GOMES (4)

ST: GANO, SUNDBERG, ROCCA (3)


This is in no way in any particular order.

-We keep Morris as a #4 RB so that no one will steal him off of PS

-Paulsen stays instead of Paul because Paul cannot block, is undersized, and cannot catch

-Banks makes it because of Saturday's game against Bears (91 yd punt return). Can't let that walk away. Robinson stays because he is coming around and possesses good WR qualities as well as ST.

-Hard to see us keep Brown on the roster, will most likely IR him. I can also see us bringing in another Vet, or faciliating a trade.

-We keep 5 CBs because our secondary needs as much help as possible. Even if Griffin can't cover a bed.

-Tanard is gone based on the seriousness of Merriweather's injury. He's far behind and can't play both safety spots like our other Safties.

-Gano is not a bad kicker, he would have possibly been a pretty 35-41 if it wasnt for the blocks last year. Plus, he has a stronger, younger leg on kickoffs than ol' Rackers.

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tanard is better than gomes, paul is probably a better blocker than cooley.

we also need to see who gets cut by other teams during their cutdowns. every now and then there are a couple guys worth grabbing.

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[quote=skinsnut;932070]Frankly, I think you are quite alone in worrying about how many reps Rex gets at this point.

Who really gives a crap?..if Grossman ends up in a game...he will just close his eyes and throw will full confidence and authority to wherever he feels like it. It doesn't really matter where the receivers or defenders are anyways. Why worry about giving him reps..it wont change a thing![/quote]
[quote=SkinItup;932088]Grossman needs to see the field like I need another beer. We both want to but no one else thinks we have done anything to deserve it yet.[/quote]Rex: "F it, I'm going deep!"

Just thinking until Cousins is our #2 for good, Grossman could use the PT, but y'all have a point.

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[quote=RGIII;932124][B]QBs[/B] Griffin III, Cousins, Grossman

[B]RBs[/B] Hightower, Royster, Helu [COLOR="red"](Morris PS)[/COLOR]

[B]FB[/B] Young

[B]TEs[/B] Davis, Paulsen, Paul [COLOR="Red"](Cooley traded)[/COLOR]

[B]WRs[/B] Garcon, Hankerson, Moss, Morgan, Briscoe, Robinson, Banks

[B]OTs[/B] Williams, Brown*, Polumbus, Smith, [COLOR="red"](Compton PS)[/COLOR]

[B]Gs[/B] Chester, Lichtenstieger, Gettis, Hurt

[B]C[/B] Montgomery, LeRibeus

[B]OLBs [/B]Orakpo, Kerrigan, Jackson, Wilson

[B]ILBs[/B] Fletcher, Riley, Alexander, Robinson

[B]NTs[/B] Cofield, Baker

[B]DEs[/B] Carriker, Bowen, Jenkins, Golston

[B]CBs[/B] Hall, Wilson, Crawford, Barnes

[B]Ss[/B] Jackson, Williams, Merriweather, Doughty, Bernstine

[B]K[/B] Gano

[B]P[/B] Rocca

[B]LS[/B] Sunberg[/quote]


My friend..I think you have a future as the next Redskins GM!....Bernstine is a stretch though

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Hightower will play Saturday and solidify himself the starting RB.

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[quote=RGIII;933010]Hightower will play Saturday and solidify himself the starting RB.[/quote]

I don't know. A lot of people were impressed with his play last season. I'm just not a believer. I like his slot being used for some veteran wisdom, but I feel like the starting job will go to one of the other three.

Morris could be a darkhorse in that race. Granted he keeps his production up. Looking forward to seeing him get a lot of reps with the first team.

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[quote=That Guy;932220]tanard is better than gomes, paul is probably a better blocker than cooley.

we also need to see who gets cut by other teams during their cutdowns. every now and then there are a couple guys worth grabbing.[/quote]

Like a decent tackle and maybe a guard..... lol

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;933103]Like a decent tackle and maybe a guard..... lol[/QUOTE]

And a corner and a safety and another safety ..... Oh and a cheeseburger.

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While TH had a good last preseason; he fell off during the regular season. I do like his work ethic, his passion, and dedication; but as a runner, he's average and pretty pedestrian. TH will start because of his leadership, pass blocking, and Shanny's affinity for TH. He'll probably (70% chance) start against NO, but I seriously doubt he'll be the starter WK 17 even if he's healthy; though I do believe he'll have a decent game Saturday night.

[QUOTE=vallin21;933112]While TH had a good last preseason; he fell off during the regular season. I do like his work ethic, his passion, and dedication; but as a runner, he's average and pretty pedestrian. TH will start because of his leadership, pass blocking, and Shanny's affinity for TH. He'll probably (70% chance) start against NO, but I seriously doubt he'll be the starter WK 17 even if he's healthy; though I do believe he'll have a decent game Saturday night.[/QUOTE]

I dont think he is going to get more than five carries saturday.

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[quote=punch it in;933109]And a corner and a safety and another safety ..... Oh and a cheeseburger.[/quote]

....Nice and a healthy rb

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By the way, speaking of our roster, I didn't appreciate that Sav Rocca, our Aussie punter, is 6'5", 263 lbs. He's bigger than Orakpo! That's crazy. Forget roughing the kicker, it would be tempting to see our kicker pound the snot out of some lightweight special teams guy coming off the edge. At that size, he might punt the ball and the incoming defender.

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[quote=calia;933372]By the way, speaking of our roster, I didn't appreciate that Sav Rocca, our Aussie punter, is 6'5", 263 lbs. He's bigger than Orakpo! That's crazy. Forget roughing the kicker, it would be tempting to see our kicker pound the snot out of some lightweight special teams guy coming off the edge. [B]At that size, he might punt the ball and the incoming defender[/B].[/quote]


:laughing2

LMAO.

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[quote=RGIII;933010]Hightower will play Saturday and solidify himself the starting RB.[/quote]

I like Tim Hightower, but his yards per carry average last season up until the point where he was lost for the season concerns me even now. He has to average more than 4.0 yards per carry. He only averaged 3.8 yards on rushes and that to me isn't very impressive. I would like to see Royster win the job because Royster finished the year with a 5.9 yard per carry average which is highly impressive.

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We need a cut-15 thread. Someone take a stab.

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I agree. One for the first set would be nice.

[QUOTE=punch it in;933113]I dont think he is going to get more than five carries saturday.[/QUOTE]

Call me Nostradamus. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;933722]Call me Nostradamus. Lol[/quote]

I took it as you thought he wouldn't impress. As is he would have 5 carries for 10 yards.

[QUOTE=RGIII;933727]I took it as you thought he wouldn't impress. As is he would have 5 carries for 10 yards.[/QUOTE]

No not at all. Just that they werent gonna overwork him.

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Based on Smoot's take on the Helu situation I think it's pretty likely the RB stable is Hightower, Royster and Morris. Keeping Hightower I understand because he's a fantastic locker room guy and all around quality back. Not special, just quality. Morris I get because we've already seen him do some things that haven't been seen since CP's early years in the B & G. And putting Helu on the IR I totally get because when healthy the kid is a gamechanger.

But I don't get the love for Royster. He's (ultimately) limited by things that cannot be improved...size and speed. You can make him stronger. And reps will likely improve his vision. But what's his potential? Helu, Morris and even T Davis all have a higher ceiling. But then you see the brain-trust take the same "limited upside" approach at the WR position. You commit your #1 WR money to a guy who's just six foot, lacks the kind of blistering speed necessary to make a six foot WR elite (think Mike Wallace), and lacks the uncanny ability to always create space or make a play on the jump ball (think Steve Smith - Panthers).

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[quote=The Goat;933974]Based on Smoot's take on the Helu situation I think it's pretty likely the RB stable is Hightower, Royster and Morris. Keeping Hightower I understand because he's a fantastic locker room guy and all around quality back. Not special, just quality. Morris I get because we've already seen him do some things that haven't been seen since CP's early years in the B & G. And putting Helu on the IR I totally get because when healthy the kid is a gamechanger.

But I don't get the love for Royster. He's (ultimately) limited by things that cannot be improved...size and speed. You can make him stronger. And reps will likely improve his vision. But what's his potential? Helu, Morris and even T Davis all have a higher ceiling. But then you see the brain-trust take the same "limited upside" approach at the WR position. You commit your #1 WR money to a guy who's just six foot, lacks the kind of blistering speed necessary to make a six foot WR elite (think Mike Wallace), and lacks the uncanny ability to always create space or make a play on the jump ball (think Steve Smith - Panthers).[/quote]

i agree, but who were they going to get? they needed someone for RGIII and calvin johnson just wasn't available.

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[quote=The Goat;933974]Based on Smoot's take on the Helu situation I think it's pretty likely the RB stable is Hightower, Royster and Morris. Keeping Hightower I understand because he's a fantastic locker room guy and all around quality back. Not special, just quality. Morris I get because we've already seen him do some things that haven't been seen since CP's early years in the B & G. And putting Helu on the IR I totally get because when healthy the kid is a gamechanger.

But I don't get the love for Royster. He's (ultimately) limited by things that cannot be improved...size and speed. You can make him stronger. And reps will likely improve his vision. But what's his potential? Helu, Morris and even T Davis all have a higher ceiling. But then you see the brain-trust take the same "limited upside" approach at the WR position. You commit your #1 WR money to a guy who's just six foot, lacks the kind of blistering speed necessary to make a six foot WR elite (think Mike Wallace), and lacks the uncanny ability to always create space or make a play on the jump ball (think Steve Smith - Panthers).[/quote]

So you are thinking Helu doesn't make the roster? What are we looking at.... Morris as the starter with Hightower in relief or is it Royster the starter and Hightower the relief? Man if you are in a fantasy draft avoid the Redskins backfield totally.

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[quote=That Guy;933994]i agree, but who were they going to get? they needed someone for RGIII and calvin johnson just wasn't available.[/quote]

I know, and I hope Garcon makes me look the fool because he puts up #1 type numbers.

But I would have waited on WR, kept Gaffney another year, and looked to the draft/FA in 2013. Unless Garcon becomes our best downfield threat this season his contract was a mistake by the FO. Right now, Davis is far and away our best downfield threat, followed by Tana in the slot and then maybe Garcon, or Morgan who is bigger and stronger than Garcon.

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[quote=scowan;934031]So you are thinking Helu doesn't make the roster? What are we looking at.... Morris as the starter with Hightower in relief or is it Royster the starter and Hightower the relief? Man if you are in a fantasy draft avoid the Redskins backfield totally.[/quote]

SmootSmack said Helu's injury status is bad enough he won't be able to contribute, but I can't imagine we'd cut him so I'm hoping IR. I think Hightower is likely to start because of his leadership. Morris should be next and then Royster but it sounds like the coaches think otherwise?