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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1222491]Redskins could have gotten Haskins in the 3rd round and Sheehan would still be complaining.

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So using some of this logic I’m hearing Sweat may not be that good because teams passed on him?? Lots of experts on these forums😀!! Bottom line is If handled properly Haskins can be the franchise QB this team needed.. how about the teams that passed on Other QB’s in the past drafts only to regret it big time later.. I’m so glad we did not pass on Haskins and take a another position that at the end of the day just would not matter.. QB is the most important position of all sports end of story!

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^ Sweat dropped due to medicals

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Haskins is a stud.
Jay should be able to really stretch and attack vertically with his arm talent.

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Haskins big? Is facing pressure, he wasn't that great when rushed or harrased. Has some good throws though even when hit but not consistent enough.

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My only major concern about Haskins is his experience. I would love to see a lot more than 14 starts from a guy drafted this high. However, I was very impressed with what I did see in those 14 starts. This guy has a huge arm. He's very accurate with those short and intermediate throws. He's really good at setting protections, manipulating defenders with his eyes, and getting rid of the ball quickly. There were times when he made errand throws under pressure. But there were also times when he made good throws under pressure. He's made some good throws in the run. There were times when he missed some guys on deep ball. There are were also times where made good throws down field. So there is no doubt he has some things to work on. But overall I think he's a very good qb with plenty of room and time for growth. He needs to work on his footwork and release. The good thing is all of his issues can easily be fixed with coaching and experience.

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Michael Robinson brought up a very interesting point on the NFL network yesterday.....he asks despite being the Redskins 1st round pick, is Haskins mature enough at his age(21) to handle being the Redskins franchise quarterback in the DMV area where he's from and has family and close friends ? Not many quarterbacks are drafted to the team in the city where they are from.....

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1222900]Michael Robinson brought up a very interesting point on the NFL network yesterday.....he asks despite being the Redskins 1st round pick, is Haskins mature enough at his age(21) to handle being the Redskins franchise quarterback in the DMV area where he's from and has family and close friends ? Not many quarterbacks are drafted to the team in the city where they are from.....[/quote]

So there's 2 sides to this debate.

The side that says "Dwayne Haskins was showing his phone to everybody at his party, which coincidentally had [URL="https://www.totalprosports.com/2019/04/26/dwayne-haskins-seems-to-have-his-nude-girlfriend-as-his-phones-background-pics-vid/"]a picture of his girl[/URL] naked as the background" says he's not exactly mature.

Then there's the anonymous report I saw the other day that said Haskins is deliberately keeping his circle small because everybody who's ever known him at Ohio State is reaching out right now.

I feel confident to say he hasn't reached peak maturity given his age, but in due time it will happen.

Honestly my biggest fear is that he will have an 2012 RG3 type season where he lets all the success go to his head and that dooms him lol. I have a lot of issues with Gruden but his ability to put qb's in position to succeed isn't one of them.

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Doing a game by game Film study on Haskins now. Hoping to see where the negatives are

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1222941]Doing a game by game Film study on Haskins now. Hoping to see where the nragatives are[/quote]

Da fuq is a nragative? I kid. You will find them, because a perfect QB does not exist. But if you throw for 5k at 70%+, no way there aren't way more positives. Most of, if not all, said he killed the boardwork part of it too. Especially since we still got Sweat, there was no better use of # 15 than getting Haskins IMO.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1222942]Da fuq is a nragative? I kid. You will find them, because a perfect QB does not exist. But if you throw for 5k at 70%+, no way there aren't way more positives. Most of, if not all, said he killed the boardwork part of it too. Especially since we still got Sweat, there was no better use of # 15 than getting Haskins IMO.[/QUOTE]No doubt. I'm definitely excited to have Haskins, he was my guy after Rosen fell through. I think he's going to be a big time QB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1222943]No doubt. I'm definitely excited to have Haskins, he was my guy after Rosen fell through. I think he's going to be a big time QB

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Redskins glory days were The Hogs, run it down your fucking throats, then play action deep balls. Helped having a hall of famer Monk putting in work everywhere.

That will always be my favorite type offense. Smash your teethe in up front then drop it over your heads.

Haskins deep ball is nice, its niiiiiiice. Cant wait.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1222943]No doubt. I'm definitely excited to have Haskins, he was my guy after Rosen fell through. I think he's going to be a big time QB

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I wanted Lock, but the whole league passed on him. I don't know more than all 32. Every since the pick tho, glad we got Haskins. Big, smart, very accurate underneath, beautiful deep ball, that'll play.

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[quote=Giantone;1222480]No, the Giants are fine.It's fans that have a problem the Giants don't have to defend a thing.[/quote]

Just saying, this is what people keep reading, when Washington is getting praised. Don't shoot the messenger:

[quote=Bleacher Report] [I]Best draft: Jaguars. I think two of the best players from this class will be Kentucky pass-rusher Josh Allen and Florida offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor. The Jaguars got both of them.

Good job: Panthers. Florida State pass-rusher Brian Burns has the chance to help instantly make that defense scary.

[B]Something stinks in here: Giants. They took Duke quarterback Daniel Jones at No. 6 overall. That's like taking Ant-Man when the Hulk and Iron Man are still on the board.[/I][/b][/quote]

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Ant man lol

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After 2 games so far, when under pressure he does struggle some but I will say he's damn good in the pocket when he has the time like very accurate and fast release

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[url]https://www.facebook.com/370174424170/posts/10157390162729171/[/url]

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Haskins will be the franchise QB of the Redskins for the next decade. I think he will win the contest to start as QB this season, as I don't think Smith or maybe even McCoy will be back from their injuries. He will have the usual rookie QB issues of the first season, but the Redskins have a pretty good OL to keep him relatively safe. The biggest problem is that the 'skins WR group is weak. I hope that the Redskins will try to get one more good WR from FA before the season to help him out. Over the last couple years the Redskins have let three 1,000+ yard WR leave the team, while hoping that Dougherty will somehow not be a bust. Hopefully, our two WR draft picks will do well.

I am glad the Redskins took the chance to get a franchise QB from the draft, Allen's decision last year to spend millions on a 35+ year old QB was a stupid mistake that the Redskins will pay for in cap money for the next few years. Haskins is the future!

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[YT][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM[/url][/YT]
He's a very smart guy. I think he's going to be very successful.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223053][url]https://www.facebook.com/370174424170/posts/10157390162729171/[/url]

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Totally agree w/ Billick. You don't learn how to beat NFL defenses by sitting and watching. I don't care if he's 21. He's a mature kid. If he can't handle it then sit him down and play Colt or Case. But I'm giving Haskins all the first team reps right away. At least that way he can get the reps and get comfortable. We aren't going anywhere w/ Case or Colt.

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I cant see the video above, hope this isnt a double post. Great view in to Haskins as a QB.

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM&feature=youtu.be"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM&feature=youtu.be[/URL]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223047]After 2 games so far, when under pressure he does struggle some but I will say he's damn good in the pocket when he has the time like very accurate and fast release[/quote]

He does have some bad tape out there, just like all the other guys. I remember watching that Penn St game and they were getting after him pretty good. He was terrible against Purdue. My thing is he's a full time NFL player now. He can work on all this stuff now full time and get NFL coaching. We'll see if he can make progress through the off season stuff and training camp.

This is why I'm giving him all the off season reps, he's only started one season of college. He needs the reps in the worst way.

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[quote=Kope;1223081]I cant see the video above, hope this isnt a double post. Great view in to Haskins as a QB.

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM&feature=youtu.be"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM&feature=youtu.be[/URL][/quote]

Thanks for sharing the video, I really like this as this helps me to see better how Haskins think on the field. I have to be honest, when we first drafted Haskins, I had mixed feelings about him but the more I watch Haskins' highlights and I read about Haskins, I'm starting to like him more. Haskins plays really well when he has time to throw ball, which means we need to make sure our Oline depth is much better than last year to help Haskins develop well.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223082]He does have some bad tape out there, just like all the other guys. I remember watching that Penn St game and they were getting after him pretty good. He was terrible against Purdue. My thing is he's a full time NFL player now. He can work on all this stuff now full time and get NFL coaching. We'll see if he can make progress through the off season stuff and training camp.

This is why I'm giving him all the off season reps, he's only started one season of college. He needs the reps in the worst way.[/quote]

This. I understand the idea of having him sit a year and learn behind Colt/Case but I say screw all that.

Get him in there and get him learning. Give him all the reps, ride with the highs and lows of a first year QB and get the experience.

I also agree with your first point, he can work on all his deficiencies full time now. A couple of his biggest knocks are footwork and spiral velocity. Both easily fixed. The important stuff is there, especially for this offense. He can read defenses quickly and get the ball out on time.

I'll admit I was lukewarm about the pick at the time but the kids starting to grow on me. I'm excited to see him out there.

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Haskins needs the reps. I don't think he needs to sit and watch Colt McCoy play for a season. Get him in there and suffer through the ups and downs of a rookie season.

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The notion that he is slow in the pocket is so false. Kid has all the tools to be a great NFL QB. It's up to the team to surround him with the weapons needed. This guy could fight for R.O.Y . I've watched every snap he had in 2018 over the past week, he's the real deal.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223202]The notion that he is slow in the pocket is so false. Kid has all the tools to be a great NFL QB. It's up to the team to surround him with the weapons needed. This guy could fight for R.O.Y . I've watched every snap he had in 2018 over the past week, he's the real deal.

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Where is the best place to catch these games? I watched the OSU vs TCU game earlier today on one of the ESPN channels.

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[quote=los panda;1223204]Where is the best place to catch these games? I watched the OSU vs TCU game earlier today on one of the ESPN channels.[/quote]

I watch the A22 footage but that is through work, I'd say check out the Maryland game, (2nd half he was amazing). Michigan and Washington games. I have also seen his worst game of the season (Penn St).

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Haskins was well protected for most of the season. If you watch the highlight tapes on YouTube, they show the big plays, the long TD passes. On those the line all blocked so well that he could sit and wait for his WRs to uncover down the field and then he releases a bomb.

What you don't see on the highlights very often is how he did when the pocket actually collapsed. If you watch enough clips on YouTube you eventually see them - you can see he feels the rush and slides around in the pocket well. This is not a situation like Kirk Cousins who just didn't feel the rush very well and as a result he fumbled so often.

Haskins slides around, takes a few steps here or there, slides up in the pocket, all while keeping his eyes downfield. He doesn't look at the rush and he doesn't panic. It's a good base upon which he can build. He'll have to work on the timing-based routes in Gruden's system to get them down pat, but I don't have concerns that we're getting a QB who's going to take a lot of sacks.

He's a pocket passer, but one with pocket awareness. And he's not a complete statue, you'll see plays on YouTube where he scrambles away pretty well. Don't mistake a QB who stays in the pocket and keeps his eyes downfield for one who can't move around at all.

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[quote=Schneed10;1223210]Haskins was well protected for most of the season. If you watch the highlight tapes on YouTube, they show the big plays, the long TD passes. On those the line all blocked so well that he could sit and wait for his WRs to uncover down the field and then he releases a bomb.

What you don't see on the highlights very often is how he did when the pocket actually collapsed. If you watch enough clips on YouTube you eventually see them - you can see he feels the rush and slides around in the pocket well. This is not a situation like Kirk Cousins who just didn't feel the rush very well and as a result he fumbled so often.

Haskins slides around, takes a few steps here or there, slides up in the pocket, all while keeping his eyes downfield. He doesn't look at the rush and he doesn't panic. It's a good base upon which he can build. He'll have to work on the timing-based routes in Gruden's system to get them down pat, but I don't have concerns that we're getting a QB who's going to take a lot of sacks.

He's a pocket passer, but one with pocket awareness. And he's not a complete statue, you'll see plays on YouTube where he scrambles away pretty well. Don't mistake a QB who stays in the pocket and keeps his eyes downfield for one who can't move around at all.[/quote]

Can't agree more, his film proves why he was regarded as the #1 pocket passer in this class. He also can move better than what "experts" said. Ran RPO sets often.

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Having a good tight end and a running back that is a good short route receiver would be a young inexperienced quarterback's best friend. We don't have those do we? By good tight end I want a good route runner with sure hands than can block also.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223214]Having a good tight end and a running back that is a good short route receiver would be a young inexperienced quarterback's best friend. We don't have those do we? By good tight end I want a good route runner with sure hands than can block also.[/quote]

Yes we have the WRs to get open underneath with Terri and Trey. TE is suspect and RB should be better with Guice and now Love here.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223218]Yes we have the WRs to get open underneath with Terri and Trey. TE is suspect and RB should be better with Guice and now Love here.[/quote]

Good to know about Guice. I didn't see him play in college.

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For anyone interested, here is Dwaynes passing chart from 2018. Very good 10-20+ yards downfield [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190502/b74454acdff6ae3367cb1060504795d2.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223219]Good to know about Guice. I didn't see him play in college.[/quote]

Oh, dude. Acquaint yourself. He's easily the player I'm most excited about and the single biggest reason the Skins have hope. This guy will buy Haskins the time to develop while the offense leans on him. He's a physically imposing runner with the speed to keep defenses honest.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223222]For anyone interested, here is Dwaynes passing chart from 2018. Very good 10-20+ yards downfield [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190502/b74454acdff6ae3367cb1060504795d2.jpg[/IMG]

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What are the numbers in the shading, ESPN's QBR or something PFF puts out?

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[quote=Schneed10;1223226]What are the numbers in the shading, ESPN's QBR or something PFF puts out?[/quote]

PFF Grades

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Another thing I have noticed is Haskins recognizes coverage and what the defense is doing Pre snap often, checks in to another play more than most College QBs

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[quote=Schneed10;1223224]Oh, dude. Acquaint yourself. He's easily the player I'm most excited about and the single biggest reason the Skins have hope. This guy will buy Haskins the time to develop while the offense leans on him. He's a physically imposing runner with the speed to keep defenses honest.

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Will Guice be able to play by the season start? We got him as a steal last year in the draft and I'm ready to see him run and open the field up

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[quote=Schneed10;1223226]What are the numbers in the shading, ESPN's QBR or something PFF puts out?[/quote] He had a 84.8 qbr.