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Lowest Turnover-Worthy Play Rate in the NFL in 2020:

1. TB Tom Brady - 1.6%
T-2. DET Matthew Stafford - 2.3%
T-2. GB Aaron Rodgers - 2.3%
4. HOU Deshaun Watson - 2.6%

That is Stafford's lowest in his career (min 100 pass attempts)

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1274267]Well, I guarantee you he won't remain in LA as the backup to Herbert. Someone will bring him in to compete for the starting role - Colts, 49ers, Broncos, Bears...[/QUOTE]


I don’t see it man. He’s a backup and has had his shot at starting with Buffalo and Cleveland now and just can’t get it done. Good dude and I’m sure great to have as a QB2 to teach the young guys.

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This team is too close not to pursue every option at QB ... we need some luck also .. we’ve had our share of bad ..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274280]I don’t see it man. He’s a backup and has had his shot at starting with Buffalo and Cleveland now and just can’t get it done. Good dude and I’m sure great to have as a QB2 to teach the young guys.[/quote]

You might be right. We'll see what happens. He was replaced by Mayfield after suffering a concussion, and replaced by Herbert after the lung piercing. With both clubs he was to be the starter. Maybe he's just destined to be a backup. But out of the rest of the FA QBs, I don't like anyone over him for the price - if that's how they end up addressing the position.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274282]You might be right. We'll see what happens. He was replaced by Mayfield after suffering a concussion, and replaced by Herbert after the lung piercing. With both clubs he was to be the starter. Maybe he's just destined to be a backup. But out of the rest of the FA QBs, I don't like anyone over him for the price - if that's how they end up addressing the position.[/quote]

I think teams look at him as a bridge qb, a guy who can hold it down with solid play until your young stud gets enough practice to be the guy. Chargers were probably looking at him starting most of the year if not the entire year if he played good, and if he played bad he would have a short leash. The lung piercing just sped up their gameplan.

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[quote=mooby;1274285]I think teams look at him as a bridge qb, a guy who can hold it down with solid play until your young stud gets enough practice to be the guy. Chargers were probably looking at him starting most of the year if not the entire year if he played good, and if he played bad he would have a short leash. The lung piercing just sped up their gameplan.[/quote]

Very possible, but he was traded to Cleveland before Baker, and signed by San Diego before Herbert.

Either way, that's my point. He would be a good bridge QB if that's what they are looking for. But if Kyle Allen is healthy and they want a bridge QB, they probably just roll with him and Heinicke.

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Wondering if it would be worth offering 2 of our dline for Watson. We have the depth to handle that. Perhaps we even keep our 1st that way. Thoughts?

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Here is a new take I have seen yet:

According to @nfltrade_rumors

“Eagles Telling HC Candidates They Want Carson Wentz Back In 2021”

Let’s trade for Jalen Hurts if they going to force Wentz back into the lineup!!

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I'd love to get Watson, but what we would have to give up for him is likely to be far too great. And not every great QB is a 1st round pick. Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Joe Theismann, Rodger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Johnny Unitas, and Bart Starr -- all Superbowl winning QBs, and not one of them was a 1st round pick. And this leaves a lot of other talented guys off the list -- Dak Prescott, Fran Tarkenton, Mark Brunell, Brad Johnson, and Mark Rypien come to mind. And, of course, there are a lot of 1st round busts -- and we've had more than our fair share of them (Haskins, Shuler, Ramsey, Campbell). I don't buy that the only way for us to get a franchise QB is to trade or trade up in the draft.

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[quote=skinsnut;1274309]Wondering if it would be worth offering 2 of our dline for Watson. We have the depth to handle that. Perhaps we even keep our 1st that way. Thoughts?[/quote]

One Dlineman a 1st a 3rd and if forced a 2nd rounder next year. 2 dlineman your cutting into the depth.

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The Texans are not going to give us Watson for a pick and a DL lol..

Honestly the only player we have that u can throw into a deal like that is Sweat and a 1 plus 2

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er4JuuOWMAoTHpy?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]


Does look great tho

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It does look great, but unless Bill O'Brien comes back to negotiate with us, the price would be too high.

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What is too high for a bona-fide 25 year old franchise QB? I'd trade 3 1st and this years 2nd for him and lock him up to a Mahomes like contract. And I'd do it yesterday.

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I'm not sure I'd do that, but regardless, if Watson does get traded (and it isn't clear he will), someone will overpay and I'd rather it not be us. I don't see Rivera making a big swing like that either. But time may prove me wrong on all counts.

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[quote=calia;1274332]I'm not sure I'd do that, but regardless, if Watson does get traded (and it isn't clear he will), someone will overpay and I'd rather it not be us. I don't see Rivera making a big swing like that either. But time may prove me wrong on all counts.[/quote]

I don't know if he will either. And that isn't the only viable option I'd be ok with. But if we made that trade I'd be 100% fine with it. But only if it comes with contract extension with no player opt-outs.

Above is probably more wishful thinking. I hope that Lance falls to 19 in the draft. It's unlikely but possible. Heinicke, Allen, Lance would be sufficient for 2021 imo, with Lance taking over full-time in 2022.

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Deshaun Watson is a no go area for me, prima donna who seems to think he should be calling all the shots in Houston.

:Flush:

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[quote=davy;1274339]Deshaun Watson is a no go area for me, prima donna who seems to think he should be calling all the shots in Houston.

:Flush:[/quote]

He's mad because they gave him shit to work with... I'd take him all day

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[quote=davy;1274339]Deshaun Watson is a no go area for me, prima donna who seems to think he should be calling all the shots in Houston.

:Flush:[/quote]

You just used Watson and Prima Donna in the same sentence. :confused?:

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Texans have had internal conversations about possible trade partners for Deshaun Watson and what their quarterback position would look like in the future without him, per ESPN’s @sarahbarshop.

HOU -> WAS

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er-NawnXIAAf8p2?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

Watson
Terry
Allen Robinson
JDM
THOMAS
AG24

Man that's scary

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274360][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er-NawnXIAAf8p2?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

Watson
Terry
Allen Robinson
JDM
THOMAS
AG24

Man that's scary[/quote]

I have a raging boner seeing that image. Full disclosure, those types of pictures usually don’t do it for me. 😉😂

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He’s a top 5 QB right now and is only 25... he’s going to be great for 10 more years.

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Heinicke will want some bling if Watson wants that number.

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[quote=ODUsmitty;1274391]Heinicke will want some bling if Watson wants that number.[/quote]

He's a FA any right?

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Just laughing at the photo and the number.

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[QUOTE=davy;1274339]Deshaun Watson is a no go area for me, prima donna who seems to think he should be calling all the shots in Houston.

:Flush:[/QUOTE]

You mean a prima donna because the organisation told him they'd consider his opinion in making appointments, then immediately hired a GM without at least speaking to him? That's not a prima donna that's a justifiably upset member of the organisation. I'm not sure about allowing your QB into such discussions, but ultimately if you tell a member of staff you want his voice in a conversation then have the conversation without inviting him, I suspect any one of us in that staff members shoes would be upset about it.

What else has he said or done to indicate he's a prima donna?

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Look around the NFC

AROD - OLD
BREES - RETIRING
BRADY - OLD
WILSON - GREAT BUT IN HIS EARLY 30'S NOW
DAK - VERY GOOD BUT HAD A HORRIFIC LEG INJURY
MATT RYAN - OLD

If we landed Deshaun Watson with this young defense that is only getting better, we could be a force in the NFC for a good 4-5 years

WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Watson may be available. The question is whether the team will go “all in” with a monster trade package to get him. The bidding will be high, but it’s similar to Brees coming to New Orleans. He propels your team to the top for the rest of his career. He’s worth WHATEVER the cost.

First, except for Stafford, I do not think the WFT will go for ANY QB over 30. Rivera is trying to set his QB for the next 5 years, not finding some old guy with a season or two left (that means Alex Smith is out also).

Resigning Heinicke is important. He’s a GREAT #2 and he can compete for the #1 if the QB the WFT picks is not ready for prime time.

Alex Smith is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE as a backup. He may opt in for “one more season” but the Bucs showed how to beat him - blitz him early and often, forcing him to beat you with his feet - which will be better next season, but NOT to the level needed in the NFL today. You need a QB who can run 40-70 yds a game and Smith doesn’t have that anymore.

Allen is also not the future.

The new GM and Rivera may simply draft the best QB left at #19 and let him compete with Taylor Heinickle.

Other draft picks will be OL, WR, TE with FA going toward a monster WR to compliment MacLaurin, LB ( maybe more than one), OL.


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[quote=AnonEmouse;1274419]You mean a prima donna because the organisation told him they'd consider his opinion in making appointments, then immediately hired a GM without at least speaking to him? That's not a prima donna that's a justifiably upset member of the organisation. I'm not sure about allowing your QB into such discussions, but ultimately if you tell a member of staff you want his voice in a conversation then have the conversation without inviting him, I suspect any one of us in that staff members shoes would be upset about it.

What else has he said or done to indicate he's a prima donna?[/quote]

Well to be fair, That is Watson’s story. I don’t think anyone in the organization said he was promised anything. He could just be using social media to play the victim card because he wants out. Hard to know for sure. I haven’t really been following it closely.

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[quote=Warthog;1274425]Watson may be available. The question is whether the team will go “all in” with a monster trade package to get him. The bidding will be high, but it’s similar to Brees coming to New Orleans. He propels your team to the top for the rest of his career. He’s worth WHATEVER the cost.

First, except for Stafford, I do not think the WFT will go for ANY QB over 30. Rivera is trying to set his QB for the next 5 years, not finding some old guy with a season or two left (that means Alex Smith is out also).

Resigning Heinicke is important. He’s a GREAT #2 and he can compete for the #1 if the QB the WFT picks is not ready for prime time.

Alex Smith is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE as a backup. He may opt in for “one more season” but the Bucs showed how to beat him - blitz him early and often, forcing him to beat you with his feet - which will be better next season, but NOT to the level needed in the NFL today. You need a QB who can run 40-70 yds a game and Smith doesn’t have that anymore.

Allen is also not the future.

The new GM and Rivera may simply draft the best QB left at #19 and let him compete with Taylor Heinickle.

Other draft picks will be OL, WR, TE with FA going toward a monster WR to compliment MacLaurin, LB ( maybe more than one), OL.


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As much as I want to trade for Watson I think the realistic feasibility of it is non-existent. Media is reporting that multiple teams have been calling the Texans to inquire about his availability even though no one in the Texans organization have publicly stated he’s available for trade. With the #19 pick and no young QB to offer in a trade scenario, we just aren’t going to have the same trade capital to compete with other teams unless we mortgage the distant future (and that’s not going to happen). We will wind up getting a mid tier FA veteran QB for a modest price tag (just like Ron’s M.O. was this past off season).

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274428]As much as I want to trade for Watson I think the realistic feasibility of it is non-existent. Media is reporting that multiple teams have been calling the Texans to inquire about his availability even though no one in the Texans organization have publicly stated he’s available for trade. With the #19 pick and no young QB to offer in a trade scenario, we just aren’t going to have the same trade capital to compete with other teams unless we mortgage the distant future (and that’s not going to happen). We will wind up getting a mid tier FA veteran QB for a modest price tag (just like Ron’s M.O. was this past off season).[/quote]

Don’t forget RR took a swing for the fence trying to sign Amari Cooper. So much for his MO in the past off season... I’m thinking that a blockbuster deal for a feature QB with at least 5 years of prime time left is not automatically off the table.

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[QUOTE=SCRedskinsFan;1274431]Don’t forget RR took a swing for the fence trying to sign Amari Cooper. So much for his MO in the past off season... I’m thinking that a blockbuster deal for a feature QB with at least 5 years of prime time left is not automatically off the table.[/QUOTE]

That was a FA signing, not a trade, and we had the cap to do it. We were not faced with giving up a large part of our draft to sign Cooper.

I'm also inclined to think part of why RR did that was to pressure the Cowboys to offer him a bigger deal than they wanted to.

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23M .. is reportedly what we offered in guaranteed money vs cowboys 60M guaranteed money.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/3/17/21183020/redskins-significantly-outbid-cowboys-for-amari-cooper-he-resigned-w-dallas-for-5-years-100-million[/url]

If true .. we never really tried to sign Cooper.

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[quote=skinsnut;1274309]Wondering if it would be worth offering 2 of our dline for Watson. We have the depth to handle that. Perhaps we even keep our 1st that way. Thoughts?[/quote]

Hell no to 2. That's the strength of our team.

If we keep this defense intact and fill the couple of weak points, the D alone will put us in contention every year no matter how crappy the offense is.


The price to get Watson is going to be counterproductive, I'd rather get Stafford and an elite WR instead of Watson if we're moving on from Alex.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274444]Hell no to 2. That's the strength of our team.

If we keep this defense intact and fill the couple of weak points, the D alone will put us in contention every year no matter how crappy the offense is.


The price to get Watson is going to be counterproductive, I'd rather get Stafford and an elite WR instead of Watson if we're moving on from Alex.[/quote]

I agree as enticing was Watson sounds, I would be just as happy with Stafford and being able to keep more draft capital.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274444]Hell no to 2. That's the strength of our team.

If we keep this defense intact and fill the couple of weak points, the D alone will put us in contention every year no matter how crappy the offense is.


The price to get Watson is going to be counterproductive, I'd rather get Stafford and an elite WR instead of Watson if we're moving on from Alex.[/quote]

The Bears said that too and look what happened..

Offense over defense every day

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274461]The Bears said that too and look what happened..

Offense over defense every day[/quote]

The Bears problem is they are/were crap at assessing good QB's. 2017 wasn't a great draft for QB, but they took Trubisky over Mahomes and Watson (now that would be a great double act!). If they had taken either of them, with that defense and the weapons they have, they'd likely have been going deep into the playoffs the last 2-3 years.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1274467]The Bears problem is they are/were crap at assessing good QB's. 2017 wasn't a great draft for QB, but they took Trubisky over Mahomes and Watson (now that would be a great double act!). If they had taken either of them, with that defense and the weapons they have, they'd likely have been going deep into the playoffs the last 2-3 years.[/quote]

Man, being a Bears fan is gonna be torture for the next 10 or so years, with that info just sitting there. And didn't they trade up to get him?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274472]Man, being a Bears fan is gonna be torture for the next 10 or so years, with that info just sitting there. And didn't they trade up to get him?[/quote]

Well as they haven't won a SB in 35 years, what's another 10...