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[quote=Ruhskins;1275342]We have a lot of key positions on rookie deals and the team needs to win now before they have to pay those guys. You wait an additional 3-5 years to figure out your QB situation,[B] you need to start making decisions on who to pay and who not to pay.[/B]

You're not going to address every single position this offseaon. Also, the team needs to take advantage of the funk a lot of the NFC East teams are going through right now. I don't understand why people are so cautious about it.[/quote]

Teams do this on an annual basis. Tough decisions have to be made every year.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275345]Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.[/quote]


Just about every team is a few key injuries from not being relevant.

I also dont get how people are like "I am for the future" In the current NFL state either you win now or you don't have a future. So for everyone who is saying build through the draft and FA, who is this QB you expect us to get?

I'd like to point out Ryan Tannehill who was traded for and has helped turn the Titans into contenders which is something Mariotta couldn't do. He is also 32, so I ask who do you all think is better Tannehill or Stafford??

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Sounds like everyone is all for Stafford, the acceptable compensation is the deciding factor on how the move would be initially graded by us individually.

I see both sides. I'm all for getting Stafford but not against trading for or signing a veteran to compete with Allen/Heinicke, that would require way less to acquire.

I hope the beer man can pack on 20 pounds.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1275348]Just about every team is a few key injuries from not being relevant.

I also dont get how people are like "I am for the future" In the current NFL state either you win now or you don't have a future. So for everyone who is saying build through the draft and FA, who is this QB you expect us to get?

I'd like to point out Ryan Tannehill who was traded for and has helped turn the Titans into contenders which is something Mariotta couldn't do. He is also 32, so I ask who do you all think is better Tannehill or Stafford??[/quote]

Miami traded RT and a 6th Rd pick for a 7th Rd pick, and the next year's 4th. That's not close to the compensation people on here are saying WFT should offer for Stafford.

I don't know who's better, probably Stafford, but it just depends on the weapons around them. Tennessee is pretty stacked with Derek Henry, Corey Davis, AJ Brown...

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I think we have to plan the QB situation as if we have no chance at getting a QB at 19. Get it resolved prior to the draft.

Then if one of the guys fall, depending on how above is handled, you pick him and adjust accordingly.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275345]Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.[/quote]

I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

back up Qb play has to go both ways here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1275330]I'd rather take my chances w/ keeping my picks and rolling w/ Allen and Heinike. Pick a Qb within the 1st 3 rounds.[B] I just really really liked what I saw from Heinike. Is everyone just forgetting how well he played under some tough circumstances?[/B] How many drops he had? Give him a chance w/ more weapons. He was making throws that we hadn't seen in a while, we was anticipating, moving well.[/quote]

It was for 5 quarters! TH is a journey man at best. He is not like some 3rd round pick we got and he is 21 just starting out.

Look at his "career":
[B]December 8, 2020: Washington Football Team added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.

August 30, 2019: Carolina Panthers cut QB Taylor Heinicke.

December 26, 2018: Carolina Panthers placed QB Taylor Heinicke on IR.

April 16, 2018: Carolina Panthers acquired QB Taylor Heinicke off waivers from the Houston Texans.

April 13, 2018: Houston Texans waived QB Taylor Heinicke.

December 15, 2017: Houston Texans activated QB Taylor Heinicke from the practice squad.

November 29, 2017: Houston Texans added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.

October 9, 2017: New England Patriots cut QB Taylor Heinicke.

September 23, 2017: New England Patriots added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.

September 12, 2017: Minnesota Vikings cut QB Taylor Heinicke.

September 11, 2017: Minnesota Vikings waived QB Taylor Heinicke.

September 3, 2017: Minnesota Vikings placed QB Taylor Heinicke on IR.

November 8, 2016: Minnesota Vikings activated QB Taylor Heinicke from the non-football injury list.

July 29, 2016: Minnesota Vikings placed QB Taylor Heinicke on the non-football injury list.

May 9, 2015: Minnesota Vikings signed QB Taylor Heinicke.[/B]

Just no, TY is not the answer, just stop.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1275352]Sounds like everyone is all for Stafford, [/quote]

Cant speak for anyone else but Im not all in on Stafford. talk and thoughts are focused on Stafford bc its a Stafford thread.

We dont know what our true QB options will be for a few more months. its all just fan speculation at this point.

The only thing I do know is that I want an upgrade at QB. Either this year or next year. Whose available and what will it cost etc?... I would more likelyl than not give up the no. 19 and a 3rd for Stafford.

Worst case scenario we roll with Allen/Heinike and some other similar QB, Im fine with that. It means we were able to add a Waddle or some LT or LB at no. 19. But then 2022 becomes all about finding that winner Qb who we can hand the keys off to and he can play at a top 15 QB level right away.

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You can't just say we're set at QB based on 5 quarters from Heinicke. If all else fails and he ends up the starter by default so be it. But you have to take a shot at a guy like Stafford.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275361]Cant speak for anyone else but Im not all in on Stafford. talk and thoughts are focused on Stafford bc its a Stafford thread.

We dont know what our true QB options will be for a few more months. its all just fan speculation at this point.

The only thing I do know is that I want an upgrade at QB. Either this year or next year. Whose available and what will it cost etc?... I would more likelyl than not give up the no. 19 and a 3rd for Stafford.

Worst case scenario we roll with Allen/Heinike and some other similar QB, Im fine with that. It means we were able to add a Waddle or some LT or LB at no. 19. But then 2022 becomes all about finding that winner Qb who we can hand the keys off to and he can play at a top 15 QB level right away.[/quote]

My bad. Never use a word that leaves out no other option. Should have said "seems like most of us".

Allen/Heinicke and a 3rd more experienced vet, and I'd be fine rolling with that.

I'm all for getting Stafford. But I don't think it's the only option. More than one way to skin a cat.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275358]I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

[B]back up Qb play has to go both ways here.[/B][/quote]

I'm not going to argue that. WFT played basically the whole season with QBs that aren't starting caliber. I'm just saying the win total and the defensive ranking are both very much bolstered because of their soft as hell schedule. When they played good, healthy teams the results spoke for themselves.

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[quote=MTK;1275363]You can't just say we're set at QB based on 5 quarters from Heinicke. If all else fails and he ends up the starter by default so be it. But you have to take a shot at a guy like Stafford.[/quote]

Ron knows that or else he would just come out and say Taylor and Kyle will compete

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275365]I'm not going to argue that. WFT played basically the whole season with QBs that aren't starting caliber. I'm just saying the win total and the defensive ranking are both very much bolstered because of [B]their soft as hell schedule.[/B] When they played good, healthy teams the results spoke for themselves.[/quote]

Id add players playing above expectations in the secondary. but that part always gets me. I think if they got challenged more deep down field .. they would have been exposed. On the flip side, teams didnt gameplan to attack our secondary deep bc of our front 4.

Did our secondary get lucky this year ... or .. was this evidence of the mantra "the best passing defense is a good pass rush".

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1275361]Cant speak for anyone else but Im not all in on Stafford. talk and thoughts are focused on Stafford bc its a Stafford thread.



We dont know what our true QB options will be for a few more months. its all just fan speculation at this point.



The only thing I do know is that I want an upgrade at QB. Either this year or next year. Whose available and what will it cost etc?... I would more likelyl than not give up the no. 19 and a 3rd for Stafford.



Worst case scenario we roll with Allen/Heinike and some other similar QB, Im fine with that. It means we were able to add a Waddle or some LT or LB at no. 19. But then 2022 becomes all about finding that winner Qb who we can hand the keys off to and he can play at a top 15 QB level right away.[/QUOTE]

My question is about your line "2022 then becomes all about finding that winner QB". What makes you think 2022 will hold better options for finding that QB? If we bolster our defense and our team does about the same or slightly better we would be right back at this point, no real draft option because we aren't in the top 10, but now we don't necessarily have [B]2!![/B] elite or damn near elite QB's wanting out of their current team.

This seems like the perfect storm to get a medium to long term answer at QB, then if we don't find that LB leader in late rounds this year go all in on a stud LB in 2022. I don't see any logic in letting this team flounder without a solution at QB this year in the hopes of finding the solution in 2022.

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I'm tired of losing games due to bad QB play, also it's been 30 damn years since this team went to the SB.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1275378]My question is about your line "2022 then becomes all about finding that winner QB". What makes you think 2022 will hold better options for finding that QB? If we bolster our defense and our team does about the same or slightly better we would be right back at this point, no real draft option because we aren't in the top 10, but now we don't necessarily have [B]2!![/B] elite or damn near elite QB's wanting out of their current team.

This seems like the perfect storm to get a medium to long term answer at QB, then if we don't find that LB leader in late rounds this year go all in on a stud LB in 2022. I don't see any logic in letting this team flounder without a solution at QB this year in the hopes of finding the solution in 2022.

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Im 100% with you on this. id prefer we answer the QB question this offseason. My point was .. if we do stand pat and just sign Fitz or ride with Allen/heinike in 2021, that makes 2022 a "must add legit QB" offseason. We cannot go into 2022 without a legit competent QB.

I dont know what 2022 holds (AAron perhaps?). This offseason seems as good as any in recent memory in terms of available franchise QBs.

trade for Stafford or Watson
FA - perhaps Dak or go poorman with Fitz

I feel like there is a surprise or two to drop in the next 2 months and we arent just limited to Stafford or a low end FA. Maybe Packs move Aaron a year early. Maybe Matt Ryan or Kirk Cousins or Carr or Goff become available.

not saying Id want a Carr or Ryan etc but I want to look at all the options. Currently I think Stafford for a 1st and 3rd is most realistic and interesting.

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I think Rivera views program building and culture building as very much a psychological thing, he had the team buy in and they went from 3-13 to 7-9, overcoming a lot along the way to win the NFC East. He commented that he looks at the 2020 team very fondly because of what they overcame and thus he doesn't want to see the program's growth stall out. I think he will be looking to make a big move at QB to help the program take the next step.

Once that next step occurs in 2021, we then become a destination for players.

All this is just to say that those of you who think the time to make the big move for a QB is now, I think Rivera sees it the exact same way and I'd be absolutely shocked if it didn't happen.

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Well, he did say in his introductory press conference that he's not interested in a 5-year rebuilding period. Maybe that means this is going to be an all-in type of offseason.

However, he also stated that his main goal is to build a [B]consistent[/B] winner - and to win the SB. Maybe that means he won't go all in on one position (QB) if that puts the rest of the roster in jeopardy.

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[quote=SunnySide;1275358]I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

back up Qb play has to go both ways here.[/quote]

They finished at number 2 in yards allowed

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275353]Miami traded RT and a 6th Rd pick for a 7th Rd pick, and the next year's 4th. That's not close to the compensation people on here are saying WFT should offer for Stafford.

I don't know who's better, probably Stafford, but it just depends on the weapons around them. Tennessee is pretty stacked with Derek Henry, Corey Davis, AJ Brown...[/quote]

That they did, Corey Davis is also a FA right now, we have young talent in Gibson, and McLaurin, and Thomas who surprised everyone. Who is to say that you insert Stafford and he doesnt give you the same or better production than Tannehill is giving???

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Can Stafford be traded asap? Even if it isn't to us. This thread might get to 30 pages.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1275398]Can Stafford be traded asap? Even if it isn't to us. This thread might get to 30 pages.[/quote]

They can agree but it cant be official

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1275396]That they did, Corey Davis is also a FA right now, we have young talent in Gibson, and McLaurin, and Thomas who surprised everyone. Who is to say that you insert Stafford and he doesnt give you the same or better production than Tannehill is giving???[/quote]

I'm sure Stafford's mere presence would help elevate the level of play of the entire offense - as is. However, they have to add a bonafide threat opposite McLaurin, another TE who can be a threat down the field, and depth everywhere. And that's just on offense.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275400]I'm sure Stafford's mere presence would help elevate the level of play of the entire offense - as is. However, they have to add a bonafide threat opposite McLaurin, another TE who can be a threat down the field, and depth everywhere. And that's just on offense.[/quote]

and that can be down via free agency and the rest of the draft

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1275401]and that can be down via free agency and the rest of the draft[/quote]


If it were only that easy...

Schneed estimated the cap space after retention of WFT Free Agents to be $36.6M

Stafford's cap hit next year would be about $20M (edited).

If he doesn't restructure to a friendlier cap number (why would he when there will be probably a dozen or more teams who want his services), then there's not much you will be able to do in free agency unless you decide not to retain some of the WFT free agents like Scherff, Darby, Moreau, Sims, Heinicke, etc.

Then say you offered the #19 pick, and one of the 3rd round draft picks (or maybe more depending on other bids and what you're willing to give away). Now you have six or less picks remaining - one each in rounds 2-7. You would have to absolutely hit it out of the park, getting a Kam Curl type player with every pick to fill the glaring holes (WR, TE, OL, LBx2, S, CB), and you would be unable to add any depth to the roster.

To me the scenario plays out like we might as well be the Detroit Lions, and if I'm Stafford it doesn't look all that appealing to me.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275402]If it were only that easy...

Schneed estimated the cap space after retention of WFT Free Agents to be $36.6M

Stafford's cap hit next year is $33M.

If he doesn't restructure to a friendlier cap number (why would he when there will be probably a dozen or more teams who want his services), then there's not much you will be able to do in free agency unless you decide not to retain some of the WFT free agents like Scherff, Darby, Moreau, Sims, Heinicke, etc.

Then say you offered the #19 pick, and one of the 3rd round draft picks (or maybe more depending on other bids and what you're willing to give away). Now you have six or less picks remaining - one each in rounds 2-7. You would have to absolutely hit it out of the park, getting a Kam Curl type player with every pick to fill the glaring holes (WR, TE, OL, LBx2, S, CB), and you would be unable to add any depth to the roster.

To me the scenario plays out like we might as well be the Detroit Lions, and if I'm Stafford it doesn't look all that appealing to me.[/quote]

I have some questions.

Does this account for the cap savings in letting Alex Smith go?

Where did you get the $33M cap figure for Stafford? Seems to me I read that it was in the low 20's.

I just haven't seen our cap situation portrayed as being in such a bad way elsewhere.

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[quote=Number44;1275403]I have some questions.

Does this account for the cap savings in letting Alex Smith go?

Where did you get the $33M cap figure for Stafford? Seems to me I read that it was in the low 20's.

I just haven't seen our cap situation portrayed as being in such a bad way elsewhere.[/quote]

Yes. [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=64800[/url]

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/matthew-stafford-6078/[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275406]Yes. [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=64800[/url]

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/matthew-stafford-6078/[/url][/quote]

I'm pretty sure that the $33M would be Detroit's cap hit if they kept Stafford. They would be hit with $19M dead cap if they trade him. The cash for this year ($20M) would be the new team's cap hit, as I understand it. That's what I've read elsewhere, but I'm certainly no cap guru.

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[quote=Number44;1275407]I'm pretty sure that the $33M would be Detroit's cap hit if they kept Stafford. They would be hit with $19M dead cap if they trade him. The cash for this year ($20M) would be the new team's cap hit, as I understand it. That's what I've read elsewhere, but [B]I'm certainly no cap guru[/B].[/quote]

Yeah, me either. Another article does say it's more like $20M for the new team.

So that would leave about $16M of cap space for 2021.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275402]If it were only that easy...

Schneed estimated the cap space after retention of WFT Free Agents to be $36.6M

Stafford's cap hit next year would be about $20M (edited).

If he doesn't restructure to a friendlier cap number (why would he when there will be probably a dozen or more teams who want his services), then there's not much you will be able to do in free agency unless you decide not to retain some of the WFT free agents like Scherff, Darby, Moreau, Sims, Heinicke, etc.

Then say you offered the #19 pick, and one of the 3rd round draft picks (or maybe more depending on other bids and what you're willing to give away). Now you have six or less picks remaining - one each in rounds 2-7. You would have to absolutely hit it out of the park, getting a Kam Curl type player with every pick to fill the glaring holes (WR, TE, OL, LBx2, S, CB), and you would be unable to add any depth to the roster.

To me the scenario plays out like we might as well be the Detroit Lions, and if I'm Stafford it doesn't look all that appealing to me.[/quote]

We aren't the Lions, we won the division with one of the worst offenses I have ever seen (We literally got to week 17 before getting ANY opening drive score)

Better QB play leads to more points which keeps the defense off the field which keeps them fresh, which leads to more wins. A first and 3rd if that is what it takes for Stafford, I am fine with it.

Also to point out we traded for Alex in 2018 when he was 34, and he had us leading the so called better division through 9 games before his injury and in that season our offense wasnt good either. If Stafford comes here he is instantly the best QB in the division and I am including Dak in that. We would be the favorite, and player on our team will be getting better as well. We have young talent but you cant just win with only young talent.

I just want to know if we dont trade for Stafford, Watson, or Rodgers who is our starting QB next season? And if someone says Marcus Mariotta we might as well go out there with Kyle Allen

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We put too much value on a first round pick sometimes. Especially one in the late teens to 20s. You get Stafford that's 4-5 years of top 10, top 15 at worst QB play. What 1st rd pick will give you that type of value other than a QB like Lawrence? Which most teams are trading 3+ 1st rd picks for

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1275409]We aren't the Lions, we won the division with one of the worst offenses I have ever seen (We literally got to week 17 before getting ANY opening drive score)

Better QB play leads to more points which keeps the defense off the field which keeps them fresh, which leads to more wins. A first and 3rd if that is what it takes for Stafford, I am fine with it.

Also to point out we traded for Alex in 2018 when he was 34, and he had us leading the so called better division through 9 games before his injury and in that season our offense wasnt good either. If Stafford comes here he is instantly the best QB in the division and I am including Dak in that. We would be the favorite, and player on our team will be getting better as well. We have young talent but you cant just win with only young talent.

I just want to know if we dont trade for Stafford, Watson, or Rodgers who is our starting QB next season? And if someone says Marcus Mariotta we might as well go out there with Kyle Allen[/quote]

The fact that they won the division with one of the worst offenses you have ever seen shows you that the schedule was pathetically soft.

I don't want them to just win the division every year (yeah I'm greedy). I want them to be able to compete for the whole thing every year. I do understand that you need a great QB to do that. I just question whether they can feasibly get a Watson, Stafford, or even Ryan, and fill out the rest of the roster - including adding depth. Maybe they can - they just hired a couple guys that would know that better than me.

In the end, I think I'm fine with a 1st and 3rd for Stafford as well, but I think before it's all said and done it will take more than that. There could be upwards of like 18+ teams that will likely be looking for a change at QB this offseason (per Schefty).

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275412]The fact that they won the division with one of the worst offenses you have ever seen shows you that the schedule was pathetically soft.

I don't want them to just win the division every year (yeah I'm greedy). I want them to be able to compete for the whole thing every year. I do understand that you need a great QB to do that. I just question whether they can feasibly get a Watson, Stafford, or even Ryan, and fill out the rest of the roster - including adding depth. Maybe they can - they just hired a couple guys that would know that better than me.

In the end, I think I'm fine with a 1st and 3rd for Stafford as well, but I think before it's all said and done it will take more than that. There could be upwards of like 18+ teams that will likely be looking for a change at QB this offseason (per Schefty).[/quote]

You can only play who is in front of you. I dont see why you question that. Going into this season you would say there was twice as many if not 3 times the holes in the team and Ron did a good job filling some of them, got another off season with a potential camp, and FA and as of right now at least 8 new rookies with the young players that stepped up last year (Young, Gibson, Curl) going into their second season, and we get a player like Harmon back also from injury

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1275414][B]You can only play who is in front of you.[/B] I dont see why you question that. Going into this season you would say there was twice as many if not 3 times the holes in the team and Ron did a good job filling some of them, got another off season with a potential camp, and FA and as of right now at least 8 new rookies with the young players that stepped up last year (Young, Gibson, Curl) going into their second season, and we get a player like Harmon back also from injury[/quote]

I don't "question" that, I am acknowledging that, along with the fact that next year most certainly won't turn out the same way.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1275415]I don't "question" that, I am acknowledging that, along with the fact that next year most certainly won't turn out the same way.[/quote]

Since none of us are psychic we don't know that.

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With Stafford we will be favored to win division next year and maybe win a playoff game or two ... you guys believe that with Kyle and Taylor we gonna win division? I’m not sure we would ... ( I’m not believing we gonna win division next year with anything less than 9 wins ) Take Smith out of picture ( he is done).. so what rookie at 19 pick is going to come in and scare anybody ? .. if we are going that route might as well stay with Kyle/Taylor combo.. if we try and get Stafford without trading away too much I’m good ( it will take this years 1st and maybe next years ) is that two much ?? Not if we go to playoffs next 4 years in a row ..

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JP Finlay; Washington should trade for Matt Stafford. That's it. That's the headline:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/washington-should-trade-matthew-stafford-thats-it-thats-headline[/url]

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Something to ponder ... IF Tampa had not got Brady would they be in super bowl ? He is 10 years older than Stafford .

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1275416]Since none of us are psychic we don't know that.[/quote]

You don't have to be psychic to determine whether or not there is a question mark at the end of a sentence.

Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available
 

We don't have to pretend like that cap space is a set-in-stone object. We have execs that can move money around, create cap space by restructuring or releasing players, so I'm not worried about the financial aspect of it. I'm just worried about the price to pay. If the price is too steep, Ron needs to bounce. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking we're one piece away from contending, this team still needs serious help at multiple spots. Unfortunately we had the luck of playing in a division so terrible 7-9 won it, but any other year 7-9 would be considered "progress, but not title contention." Somehow we've fooled ourselves into thinking we're a couple pieces away from contending. There's no Tom Brady to fall into our lap this year.