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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283689]I believe the FO is taking advantage of the new cba which allows 46 active IF the extra players are OL, up to 8. Also with a 17 game season, and several OL guys "prone" to injury, Scherff - Moses are 2 notable ones, the extra bodies along the OL will prove to be one of the best moves of our off season.[/quote]

Interesting. Yeah offenses really folded last year in Dallas, Philly and end of season with KC when Oline problems emerged.

Man that Oline room is gonna be large with these guys competing.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283691]Too bad.[/quote]

It is funny and a little odd that a career journeyman would take such offense, but oh well. The coaches have spoken on it too. Wonder if his ass is chapped at them too.

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Bargain!

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/football/nfl/player/1328/charles-leno[/url]

[B]Washington signed LT Charles Leno, formerly of the Bears, to a one-year, $5 million contract. [/B]
Leno, shockingly cut by Chicago in April, could replace the role vacated by LT Trent Williams two years ago. The Football Team used its second round draft pick this year on T Sam Cosmi, who could compete with Leno for the Week 1 starting job protecting Ryan Fitzpatrick's blindside. Pro Football Focus rated Leno the league's 26th best tackle in 2020. Washington had the NFL's third best pass-blocking offensive line in 2020, according to PFF.




[QUOTE=MTK;1283676]Lucas probably not very happy.

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/5/11/22430211/washington-offensive-tackle-cornelius-lucas-is-furious-with-the-media"]Washington Offensive Tackle Cornelius Lucas is Furious With the Media[/URL][/QUOTE]



I don't blame him, we've been hearing parrot report after parrot report that he's mad we're bringing in competition and completely ignoring the fact that he played very well last year.

Yes, we've all wanted the "next Trent Williams" but our O-Line ranked very well last season, especially Lucas. They're the last posotion group to blame for offensive struggles last season.

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Haha, Schefter getting mocked for plagiarism.


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Love the signing! Leno is an upgrade over Lucas.

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Leno will likely win the LT job.

Where should we put Cosmi? Moses has RT locked down. Lucas will be the top backup unless he beats Leno out. Maybe start him at guard?

I suggest we include Scherff in a deal for Aaron Rodgers and move Cosmi to guard.

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The trenches are looking good.

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Scouring the planet:

The Washington Football Team is bringing in two Canadian players for workouts tomorrow, before the start of rookie minicamp: DB Nelson Lokombo, the No. 2 overall pick in the CFL draft last week, and OL Logan Bandy, drafted 38th overall, per source.

[url]https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-draft-pick-nelson-lokombo-to-work-out-for-washington-football-team-1.1638477[/url]

[url]https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-draft-pick-logan-bandy-to-work-out-for-washington-football-team-1.1638484[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1283725]Scouring the planet:



The Washington Football Team is bringing in two Canadian players for workouts tomorrow, before the start of rookie minicamp: DB Nelson Lokombo, the No. 2 overall pick in the CFL draft last week, and OL Logan Bandy, drafted 38th overall, per source.



[url]https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-draft-pick-nelson-lokombo-to-work-out-for-washington-football-team-1.1638477[/url]



[url]https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-draft-pick-logan-bandy-to-work-out-for-washington-football-team-1.1638484[/url][/QUOTE]

The talking heads clip described Lokombo as playing the boundary halfback. Does that equate to what was mentioned earlier.
[quote]Call it what you want, we need someone who can play deep center or deep half in passing situations.[/quote]

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More depth on the o line. Gotta love that. Whether Leno starts or not - i think he will - it is boosting the trenches. When you have both trenches run deep you win games.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1283724]The trenches are looking good.[/QUOTE]



Hell yes they are. That is the way you build a team from its foundation. Otherwise it is just a house of cards. We have a pretty damn solid foundation.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1283725]Scouring the planet:



The Washington Football Team is bringing in two Canadian players for workouts tomorrow, before the start of rookie minicamp: DB Nelson Lokombo, the No. 2 overall pick in the CFL draft last week, and OL Logan Bandy, drafted 38th overall, per source.



[url]https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-draft-pick-nelson-lokombo-to-work-out-for-washington-football-team-1.1638477[/url]



[url]https://www.tsn.ca/saskatchewan-roughriders-draft-pick-logan-bandy-to-work-out-for-washington-football-team-1.1638484[/url][/QUOTE]It would sucks for the Roughriders if Lokombo signs with us - a waste of 2nd round pick.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1283732]It would sucks for the Roughriders if Lokombo signs with us - a waste of 2nd round pick.[/QUOTE]Actually 2nd overall pick. Definitely would suck for them.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1283702]Leno will likely win the LT job.

Where should we put Cosmi? Moses has RT locked down. Lucas will be the top backup unless he beats Leno out. Maybe start him at guard?

I suggest we include Scherff in a deal for Aaron Rodgers and move Cosmi to guard.[/quote]

You allow open competition and don't sweat it.
Our FO has watched the tape and knows our OL was a paper tiger, not as good as stats indicate, blown up by better teams. We beat ONE winning team last year, and though lots of reasons, OL a big one. If Cosmi comes in and shines he'll start, but if he doesn't, we have an option better than Lucas.

Stop with the ridiculousness about Rodgers, just like Watson, he isn't being traded, and if he is the cost is WAY more than we should pay. GB holds ALL the power, Rodgers can whine all he wants but he isn't getting traded. Regardless, you aren't moving an overpaid RG who can't stay healthy for a HOF QB, think GB wants to pay a freaking RG who is never healthy $18M long term? Dream on. You also don't move Cosmi, the long term answer at LT hopefully, to G. You keep Cosmi at LT and develop him into a starter. Jeez.

Hey, why don't we trade Scherff for Rodgers straight up, and move him to RG, and have Chase Young play LG, and move Cosmi to FS?

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I like Leno's signing. We Washington fans of all should know the importance of quality OL depth.
I don't care who wins the job, let 'em compete, start the best man, keep the best men, regardless of draft position.
Saadhiq Charles never seemed to have NFL hands technique to me, I won't sweat one bit if he ends up being cut. Won't sweat either if Christian gets cut.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1283737]I like Leno's signing. We Washington fans of all should know the importance of quality OL depth.
I don't care who wins the job, let 'em compete, start the best man, keep the best men, regardless of draft position.
[B]Saadhiq Charles never seemed to have NFL hands technique to me, I won't sweat one bit if he ends up being cut.[/B] Won't sweat either if Christian gets cut.[/quote]

Dude, I like Charles a lot. His career has been derailed due to injury only. If he can stay healthy this season, don't be shocked if he is our starting LG.

BTW Y'all, who is our backup center? Is that one of Schweitzer's many talents?

If all goes well, we'll have a good, deep OL. Nice job by the FO!

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1283738]Dude, I like Charles a lot. His career has been derailed due to injury only. If he can stay healthy this season, don't be shocked if he is our starting LG.



BTW Y'all, who is our backup center? Is that one of Schweitzer's many talents?



If all goes well, we'll have a good, deep OL. Nice job by the FO![/QUOTE]I know a lot you guys liked Charles quite a lot when we drafted him, and I still hope you're right. Injuries sure are an issue, I just felt like the few we saw of him doesn't guarantee he's a starting NFL LT even without the injuries.

Let's hope every one is 100% come summer, and we can have a legit TC left tackle competition.

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I think you need to ease up on the Saddiq Charles being no good, there were no off season activities last year, no preseason and he played about 2 snaps. The coaching staff loved him last year despite the injuries and had him as the starter at LG ahead of Schweitzer as a rookie.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1283739]I know a lot you guys liked Charles quite a lot when we drafted him, and I still hope you're right. Injuries sure are an issue, I just felt like the few we saw of him doesn't guarantee he's a starting NFL LT even without the injuries.

Let's hope every one is 100% come summer, and we can have a legit TC left tackle competition.

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Not LT, LEFT GUARD! Charles will play LG.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1283742]Not LT, LEFT GUARD! Charles will play LG.[/QUOTE]My bad, brain fart

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1283738]Dude, I like Charles a lot. His career has been derailed due to injury only. If he can stay healthy this season, don't be shocked if he is our starting LG.

BTW Y'all, [B]who is our backup center?[/B] Is that one of Schweitzer's many talents?

If all goes well, we'll have a good, deep OL. Nice job by the FO![/quote]

Tyler Larsen

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1283743]My bad, brain fart[/quote]

pet de cerveau?

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1283741]I think you need to ease up on the Saddiq Charles being no good, there were no off season activities last year, no preseason and he played about 2 snaps. The coaching staff loved him last year despite the injuries and had him as the starter at LG ahead of Schweitzer as a rookie.[/quote]

I'm not saying he is not good, I watched a couple of highlights and the 2 snaps he played for us, how could I know ?
I'm saying every one acting like it's [I]sure thing[/I] he's an NFL starter seems like a bit much to me. College highlights show athleticism but very stiff and suspect hand technique to me.
And here is the one snap he played for us before getting injured on a pull play. Doesn't look very confortable to me.
All I'm saying is I'm glad we got depth, and if this coaching staff think they got better options and make a roster decision I'll trust them.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1283750]pet de cerveau?[/quote]

Exactement ! Une couille dans le pâté quoi...

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1283751]I'm not saying he is not good, I watched a couple of highlights and the 2 snaps he played for us, how could I know ?
I'm saying every one acting like it's [I]sure thing[/I] he's an NFL starter seems like a bit much to me. College highlights show athleticism but very stiff and suspect hand technique to me.
And here is the one snap he played for us before getting injured on a pull play. Doesn't look very confortable to me.
All I'm saying is I'm glad we got depth, and if this coaching staff think they got better options and make a roster decision I'll trust them.
[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to critique a guy on his first NFL snap. He's going to be nervous as all hell unless he's got ice blood. The coaches will have seen him in x snaps in training and will know from that if he's got a hope. They won't keep a guy around if he hasn't got the tools they can use, whether he needs coaching up or not. If he didn't look like he had potential from training they'd have set him loose with an injury settlement. But this summer is when he needs to prove it. If he stays healthy but struggles or simply can't stay healthy he'll be gone.

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We've been talking about the crazy depth we've added to WR, but our offensive line has more bodies than we know what to do with!

[B]LT[/B]
Charles Leno
Geron Christian
Cornelius Lucas
[B]LG[/B]
Wes Martin
Ereck Flowers
[B]C[/B]
Chase Roullier
Tyler Larsen
Tony Bergstrom
Wes Schweitzer
Keith Ismael
Beau Benzschawel
Camaron Cheeseman
[B]RG[/B]
Brandon Scherff
Josh Garnett
[B]RT[/B]
Morgan Moses
David Sharpe
Saahdiq Charles
Samuel Cosmi

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[quote=Monkeydad;1283766]We've been talking about the crazy depth we've added to WR, but our offensive line has [B]more bodies than we know what to do with![/B]
[/quote]

We can start by discounting...

Christian
Martin
Larsen
Bergstrom
Benzschawel
Cheeseman
Garnett
Sharpe

None of whom will contribute to the OL unless we have a slew of injuries.

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[quote=davy;1283768]We can start by discounting...

Christian
Martin
Larsen
Bergstrom
Benzschawel
Cheeseman
Garnett
Sharpe

None of whom will contribute to the OL unless we have a slew of injuries.[/quote]

Shut yo mouth. Cheeseman is a critical piece to this team.

He won't play offense, but he will be a difference-maker on many scoring plays.

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LS like K and P are designated positions. I don't believe Sundberg ever lines up on the OL in a game?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1283752]Exactement ! Une couille dans le pâté quoi...[/quote]

Couille? C’est drôle!

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1283777]LS like K and P are designated positions. I don't believe Sundberg ever lines up on the OL in a game?[/quote]

Correct

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1283763]I'm not going to critique a guy on his first NFL snap. He's going to be nervous as all hell unless he's got ice blood. The coaches will have seen him in x snaps in training and will know from that if he's got a hope. They won't keep a guy around if he hasn't got the tools they can use, whether he needs coaching up or not. If he didn't look like he had potential from training they'd have set him loose with an injury settlement. But this summer is when he needs to prove it. If he stays healthy but struggles or simply can't stay healthy he'll be gone.[/QUOTE]Again, I have absolutely not enough football knowledge nor watched enough of him to know nor say that he has no potential. I actually know for a fact he has some.
All I'm saying is acting like he's a lock to become an NFL starter is a bit of a stretch, he has to be behind a lot of people on the depth chart right now.

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I don’t understand how a free agent LT signed for 1 year and $5 mil this late in free agency is grounds to automatically crown him our week 1 starter? Look at their stats the last two years. Lucas has been better in false starts, holds and sacks allowed. I just don’t get it.

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Who's anointed him wk 1 starter? Coaching staff certainly haven't.

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You gotta feel real good about our tackle depth.

Lucas, Leno, Moses, Cosmi, gives us a lot of protection. 3 guys that have proven they can start in the NFL and 1 of the most athletic tackle prospects ever to groom for 2022 and beyond.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1283803]Who's anointed him wk 1 starter? Coaching staff certainly haven't.[/quote]

I’ve seen more fans and media talking heads say that Leno will be the starter than I’ve seen say Lucas will be after this signing.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1283811]I’ve seen more fans and media talking heads say that Leno will be the starter than I’ve seen say Lucas will be after this signing.[/quote]

5 million for a legit starting LT in the league, even as a backup is still worth it.

Lucas already played for us, and played pretty well. So I hope he gets a fair chance to win the job. And I hope that he does win it.

I like the Leno signing whether he starts or not.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1283802]I don’t understand how a free agent LT signed for 1 year and $5 mil this late in free agency is grounds to automatically crown him our week 1 starter? Look at their stats the last two years. Lucas has been better in false starts, holds and sacks allowed. I just don’t get it.[/quote]

Lucas backed up Leno, thus the presumption that Leno is better. In head to head competition, admittedly a few years ago, Leno won out.
That doesn't mean this will happen now, but that is the basis for the assumption.
Leno made a Pro Bowl within last 3-4 years, a single time. Lucas never did.
And cetera.
I don't place stock in all this necessarily, but the assumption is hardly ludicrous. Leno 7th rounder I think, Lucas a UDFA. Neither is some wow-you player in terms of raw athletic talent.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.
Remember, we beat ONE winning team last year.
ONE.
We got SOUNDLY beaten by most winning teams we played.
Lot of causes.
One is getting absolutely owned by elite DLs and elite edge rushers when it counted.
Our OL is not as good as stats suggest. Our FO knows this, which is why we have brought several players on OL.

I doubt the FO knows who is starting. They just know that Lucas, while a solid mediocre to above average player, doesn't cut it against winning teams with elite talent on DL or Edge. Lucas should be a swing backup tackle, not a starter, in terms of making OL a strength of team like DL.

You hope Cosmi is plug and play week 1 starter, but if he struggles, what's the plan, with a 38-year old QB who is above average at best with perfect protection?

Lucas, Leno, Christian, and cetera, are all JAGs in one form or another, short-term stopgaps, not long-term answers.

Washington doesn't sign Leno unless they think he is significantly better than Lucas. But they also probably plan to let competition sort it out. That being said, if you have to pick a starter for a depth chart, Leno not absurd. Question is how much of deal guaranteed, cost to cut?

To me, the more curious slotting is the presumption than Charles must be a G. End of this year, we have three Ts under contract: Cosmi, Charles, Moses. We will also have lots of guys counting larger numbers against cap. Moses is in last year of his deal and starts to look very expendable; start of 2022 he is 32, can be cut with no dead cap, and counts $7.5M. Charles is very good in space and pass blocking, but lacks strength and punch. He is the last sort of player you would want to move to G, where strength to take on huge DTs is essential. Maybe you keep 5 Ts and have him backup G, but he should be kept at T and developed, at a minimum as a potential starting RT in 2022 or swing backup T. We did not see Charles fail at T, ala Scherff. Charles got hurt. He should be kept at his more natural position T and developed there, and at minimum can be a swing backup T in 2022.

Very interesting decisions about present vs. future loom this year at OT. Cosmi, Charles young promising players on rookie deals, both with immense athletic upside. Everyone else older, less naturally athletic, and approaching wrong side of 30 on short term deals. Does not seem a sound decision to give roster spots for Cosmi Charles to stopgaps, unless Charles is unhealthy again, in which case he might just be stashed on IR again and be relegated to 4th T next year with a high pick spent on another T.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1283749]Tyler Larsen[/quote]

Or Ismael.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283727]The talking heads clip described Lokombo as playing the boundary halfback. Does that equate to what was mentioned earlier.


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Hope so, but don't think so, in terms of deep center fielder. I'm not a big CFL guy, but LOT more space for DBs to cover, LOL, and I think the boundary halfback is like a slot DB close to line, but has more of a run support as well. Don't quote me on that. Does that mean bigger press CB? Not based on guys stats, he's like five foot ten or something?

But there is certainly room for a better 5th or 6th CB as well. Even if he's just a good slot corner. We have Jackson, Fuller, Juste, Moreland, and then a steep dropoff. If he is nothing more than a solid 6th CB, that is still essentially a free 5th round pick.

You factor in Reyes, the RB UDFA, Flowers, etc., it all starts to add up.