Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MTK;1278871]FFS with Cam already, it's not happening[/quote]

I don't want it to but I wouldn't say it's a legit no shot.. The way this QB carousel is falling, it is possible.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1278875]I don't want it to but I wouldn't say it's a legit no shot.. The way this QB carousel is falling, it is possible.[/quote]

I'll say it then, zero % chance.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1278870]Asked about Cam Newton, Ron Rivera says he cant talk about it bc free agency hasnt started.
JP

Sooooo what does that mean?[/quote]

It literally means he can’t talk about it. They can start negotiating with free agents next week I believe. Before that anything he says is a rules violation.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MissouriSkin;1278885]It literally means he can’t talk about it. They can start negotiating with free agents next week I believe. Before that anything he says is a rules violation.[/quote]

We're not even in the legal tampering period so yeah, he's smart to not say anything about it.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MTK;1278881]I'll say it then, zero % chance.[/quote]

LOL Don't go to vegas bro!

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1278890]LOL Don't go to vegas bro![/quote]

I'd take this bet in a heartbeat, $100 says Cam doesn't sign here, any takers?

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MTK;1278892]I'd take this bet in a heartbeat, $100 says Cam doesn't sign here, any takers?[/quote]

I don't see him leaving NE so I'm with u

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1278892]I'd take this bet in a heartbeat, $100 says Cam doesn't sign here, any takers?[/QUOTE]



If he does im going to jump off a bridge so I wouldn’t be able to enjoy the 100 dollars anyway. Guess Ill pass.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1278866]Not sure I can agree. From what I heard the playbook was simplified so much for Heinicke in the playoff game that it wouldn't be sustainable for 16 games. That performance was a one game stop gap. We will get a chance to see what he can do with a full playbook this year, see if he actually has NFL skills.[/QUOTE]He joined the team in December. Of course it was a limited playbook.

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Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1278898]I don't see him leaving NE so I'm with u[/quote]

I believe he's technically a free agent since he signed a 1 year deal with NE. But like Matty said, I don't see him coming here, when we have backups in place.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1278900]He joined the team in December. Of course it was a limited playbook.

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Probably not as limited as it would've been for someone who just showed up off the street. He played in this offense before.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Can the 1st 18 teams just kindly pass on Trey Lance? Thanks in advance.

Not usually a fan of trading up, but I wouldn't be against it this year. Last time it worked pretty well getting Sweat. We need to get our QB.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1278866]Not sure I can agree. [B]From what I heard the playbook was simplified so much for Heinicke in the playoff game[/B] that it wouldn't be sustainable for 16 games. That performance was a one game stop gap. We will get a chance to see what he can do with a full playbook this year, see if he actually has NFL skills.[/quote]

Where did you here that? The very reason they brought in Heinicke was that he knew the playbook very well. They had to simplify for Haskins, who just wouldn't learn it, but Heinicke? Don't know where you got that, but it doesn't ring true.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1278904]Probably not as limited as it would've been for someone who just showed up off the street. He played in this offense before.[/QUOTE]Yes but with a completely different cast of characters and limited practice time. Who knows. Maybe that was the best he has got but 1 week of starter reps he did damn good against a solid defense.

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Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MTK;1278843]Allen would start over TH I'd almost guarantee it.[/quote]

Allen didn't play nearly as well as TH did, albeit in a limited time frame. But Allen has been healthier in his career, so you're probably right. But from a play/leadership I'd take TH any day over Allen.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1278863]If there was a definition of a JAG QB then Kyle Allen is that. He is the ultimate back up QB and a very good one. But I doubt he's a 16 game starter.

It was very clear that after watching Heinike he obviously was better than anyone we saw under center last year. But can he stay healthy? Can he continue that level and maybe get better? Can he play at a high level w/ expectations? Just a lot of questions surrounding him. He needs to stay in the weight room this entire off season.

But for him to play as well as he did against the SB champs was just very impressive. How many drops did he have that game? He was accurate, threw w/ anticipation, he was mobile, we just haven't seen that level of play since Kirk. We finally saw that Cam Sims is pretty good once he got a QB in there that can get him the ball.

For me it was Stafford or bust. Since we could not land him then it's 100% draft and bring back Allen. You can't have 3 guys competing so to me it's Heinike and make a decision on the rookie or Allen.[/quote]

TH played better in that one game that we have ever seen from Kirk. Probably the best QB play in that one game for the last 30 or so years from a Skins QB.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=SkinsGuru;1278916]TH played better in that one game that we have ever seen from Kirk. Probably the best QB play in that one game for the last 30 or so years from a Skins QB.[/quote]

I think recency bias is getting the best of you. Kirk had some pretty big time games here

These games are just from 2015:

The "you like that game" for starters, he was 33/40 for 317 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT

Against the Saints he was 20/25 for 324 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT

And in back to back games he went 22/28 for 319 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT against the Bills followed by 31/46 for 365, 4 TD, 0 INT against Philly.

If you look at his [URL="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00/gamelog/"]game logs[/URL] there are definitely more I could point out

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Kirk had his flaws ... but id love Kirk on this team. of course that means we probably wouldnt have drafted CY and omg why am I going down this hole ..

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Kirk was the best QB we have had since Joe T.

Stop with the nonsense that he sucked, the GB game was another example. He also just had a hell of a season in MIN without Diggs.. Taylor played great but it was 1 game in a situation where he could take risks because nobody knew who he was. He will most likely not beat out Mariota / Teddy B / Cam (don't kill me Matty) or whoever we draft.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MTK;1278917]I think recency bias is getting the best of you. Kirk had some pretty big time games here

These games are just from 2015:

The "you like that game" for starters, he was 33/40 for 317 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT

Against the Saints he was 20/25 for 324 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT

And in back to back games he went 22/28 for 319 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT against the Bills followed by 31/46 for 365, 4 TD, 0 INT against Philly.

If you look at his [URL="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00/gamelog/"]game logs[/URL] there are definitely more I could point out[/quote]

i doubt i could dig up the article, but it came out a few days after the TB game, maybe a week later. The article went over everything that TH did in that game and gave a compelling argument that Kirk didn't and couldn't do some of the things that TH did in that game. Kirk would never have scored that running TD. Kirk under pressure his numbers drop BAD, TH's in that game were better, etc. etc. etc. . . .it was a long thought out article and it made sense. Kirk was never good at throwing his receivers open. He never hit back shoulder throws, and never the back corner of the endzone throws. TH did all of those in that one game. Has Kirk had a few good games, yes, but not quite on that level.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1278919]Kirk was the best QB we have had since Joe T.

Stop with the nonsense that he sucked, the GB game was another example. He also just had a hell of a season in MIN without Diggs.. Taylor played great but it was 1 game in a situation where he could take risks because nobody knew who he was. He will most likely not beat out Mariota / Teddy B / Cam (don't kill me Matty) or whoever we draft.[/quote]

Let’s be real. Kirk’s M.O. is the same now as it has been his entire career. He puts up good numbers in quarters 1-3 but has a bad case of the 4th quarter Tony Romos in big spots. He’s the type of player that will get you most of the way there but won’t finish for you. No one likes that.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Number44;1278912]Where did you here that? The very reason they brought in Heinicke was that he knew the playbook very well. They had to simplify for Haskins, who just wouldn't learn it, but Heinicke? Don't know where you got that, but it doesn't ring true.[/quote]

Chris Cooley on his film breakdown after the game. It is one man's opinion but he has forgotten more about football than my eyes know.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1278913]Yes but with a completely different cast of characters and limited practice time. Who knows. Maybe that was the best he has got but 1 week of starter reps he did damn good against a solid defense.

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He did great. I don't think that anyone could argue otherwise. I'm saying the playbook probably was not limited for him, because he has played in this offense before...

Just like riding a bike :)

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Washington tenders Kyle Allen...

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/washington-tenders-kyle-allen-adds-depth-to-quarterback-position-with-draft-decision-looming/[/url]

No surprise.

Side note - all three current WFT QBs were undrafted.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Pretty good read: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/3/9/22320871/where-do-quarterbacks-come-from[/url]

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1278991]Pretty good read: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/3/9/22320871/where-do-quarterbacks-come-from[/url][/QUOTE]That was a terrific read particularly this wrap up part
[QUOTE]Finally, perhaps the most remarkable thing about how the league’s elite teams acquired their franchise QBs, given the importance placed on picking high in draft discussions, is that none of these teams acquired their franchise quarterbacks by picking in the top 9 selections of the draft. And only one team drafted its franchise QB before pick 18.*[/QUOTE]

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Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1278995]That was a terrific read particularly this wrap up part


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I look forward to part2 the bottom 6. There are some issues I have with the analysis. The author references the low draft capital used by the teams at QB but if you have stability at the QB position you are going to have lower draft capital over a longer period toward that position.

I would like them to tell us what the average overall for the 32 teams in draft capital as well as the average number of QBs drafted.

My guess is the bottom spend a significantly larger chunk.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Mayhew and Turner are going to Trey Lances pro day. Hope they like him enough to move up

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1279007]Mayhew and Turner are going to Trey Lances pro day. Hope they like him enough to move up[/quote]

It's called due diligence. I'm sure they will be at a few more pro days for QB's. I don't want Lance in round one. You simply can not draft him there. Weak competition and he didn't even play last year. Also has run first instincts. If he is there in round 2 then you think about it. He is a 3rd rounder imo.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

I just can't believe how excited people can get about Trey Lance. He played one year against lower level competition. Took last year off. And now should be a first round pick ???

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

It’s because he has huge upside. Most thought Mahomes wasn’t good either. Not saying he’s ever going to be that but in today’s QB starved league , guys will always go higher than they should.

Also as Matty will be excited to hear, Cam is staying in NE on a 1 year deal per Rap sheet

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

QBs will always be overrated and overpaid and some drafted way too early. Not sure why this still surprises some people. People look at Lance and see the next Josh Allen. Small school, big time upside, very raw and will need to be properly developed. He's got the kind of upside that's worth rolling the dice on in the 1st.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Where do QBs come from part 2: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/3/11/22324936/where-do-quarterbacks-come-from-part-2[/url]

Pretty good insight into the failures of the bottom 6 teams over the last decade.
I particularly enjoy the advice to Ron Rivera if he wants Washington to remain in the bottom 6.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MTK;1279030]QBs will always be overrated and overpaid and some drafted way too early. Not sure why this still surprises some people. People look at Lance and see the next Josh Allen. Small school, big time upside, very raw and will need to be properly developed. He's got the kind of upside that's worth rolling the dice on in the 1st.[/quote]

For every Josh Allen there are 10 or more Dwayne Haskins.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1279033]For every Josh Allen there are 10 or more Dwayne Haskins.[/quote]

Of course, doesn't mean you stop rolling the dice though. If you hit you can hit big.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1279036]Of course, doesn't mean you stop rolling the dice though. If you hit you can hit big.[/QUOTE]


That’s what I have always said. In fact I’d draft 2 QBs this year if you have to. Yeah I roll the dice but if you don’t even try what’s the point?

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

My prediction for the WFT QB derby in 2021:

1. Taylor Heinicke will compete for the #1 QB position in TC with Allen. Taylor is the plan for 2021.

2. Kyle Allen will probably be the backup

3. The WFT may trade a mid-draft pick of 2022 for a BACKUP QB from maybe the Packers or some other team. A young guy to add to the competition.

What this does for the team. The WFT can use the draft and FA to fix some of their Big HOLES:

FA: WR, LB, S , TE in that order.

Premiere WR to balance against McLaurin. This will open up the offense. Big bucks.

A very good LB: an all around, very good LB who can stay with the TE, WR and stop the run. Medium cost

A good S in case Collins sucks. Lower cost


Draft: drafting for the OL to protect Heinicke

First Round: OT best available. Time to get youth and power into the OL.

Second round: CB or TE

Third Round: OG - to replace Scherff if a long-term deal can’t be worked out.


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Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Warthog;1279071]My prediction for the WFT QB derby in 2021:

[B]1. Taylor Heinicke will compete for the #1 QB position in TC with Allen. Taylor is the plan for 2021.

2. Kyle Allen will probably be the backup

3. The WFT may trade a mid-draft pick of 2022 for a BACKUP QB from maybe the Packers or some other team. A young guy to add to the competition.

What this does for the team. The WFT can use the draft and FA to fix some of their Big HOLES:[/B]

FA: WR, LB, S , TE in that order.

Premiere WR to balance against McLaurin. This will open up the offense. Big bucks.

A very good LB: an all around, very good LB who can stay with the TE, WR and stop the run. Medium cost

A good S in case Collins sucks. Lower cost


Draft: drafting for the OL to protect Heinicke

First Round: OT best available. Time to get youth and power into the OL.

Second round: CB or TE

Third Round: OG - to replace Scherff if a long-term deal can’t be worked out.


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I feel like the biggest hole [I][B]is[/B][/I] QB. RR made it clear after the season that the QB position is “one of the most important things that we need to get done and get established”. They have made it clear that they want to upgrade at QB, and have they already shown that they are pursuing other options, so I don't think they begin the season with TH and KA battling it out.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1279074]I feel like the biggest hole [I][B]is[/B][/I] QB. RR made it clear after the season that the QB position is “one of the most important things that we need to get done and get established”. They have made it clear that they want to upgrade at QB, and have they already shown that they are pursuing other options, so I don't think they begin the season with TH and KA battling it out.[/quote]

They are obviously trying to get an upgrade at QB (hence the Stafford offer), but I also think they won't overpay via trade (DW, RW) nor trade up in the draft, so it leaves them with only second tier options that might not be massive upgrades over TH and KA. I could see a trade for Darnold but that's about it.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Unless they move up for Fields or Lance it’s definitely looking like they’ll roll with a FA Like Mariota or as mentioned trading for Darnold.

Best case scenario is The Jets keep Sam and Atlanta doesn’t draft a QB. If those happen, the QBs will fall some.