Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;654040]Here's mine. Obviously we need to see their Combine numbers and Senior Bowl / E-W Shrine performances to get a better look. All are projected in the 4th or later rounds:

QB - I'll hop on the Skelton express. Also Max Hall from BYU.

RB - Joique Bell, 6' 1", 223. 4.53 (low 4.43) 40 time, Wayne St.
Will be in the NFL Combine and Senior Bowl.
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4735984"]Wayne St. RB Joique Bell named Division II player of the year - ESPN[/URL]

RB - Deji Karim, 5' 9", 205. 4.46 (low 4.37) 40 time, Southern Ill.
Will be in the TX vs. Nation Challenge 2/6/2010
[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/287821-southern-illinois-deji-karim-has-nfl-scouts-rushing-to-campus"]SOUTHERN ILLINOIS' DEJI KARIM HAS NFL SCOUTS RUSHING TO CAMPUS | Bleacher Report[/URL]

C - Eric Olsen, 6' 4", 305. 5.26 (low 5.12), Notre Dame
Will be in Senior Bowl. 1 sack in 450 Pass Att, 50 NCAA starts.
Projected 5th rd

C- Jim Cordle, 6' 4", 298. 5.12, Ohio State
Can play all OL positions. Projected 7th-FA

G - Mitch Petrus, 6' 3", 315. 5.09 (low 4.96). Arkansas
1st Team All SEC (coaches). Projected 4th rd.

G - Thomas Austin, 6' 3", 310. 5.16. Clemson
All ACC 2nd Team (media). Projected 7th-FA

G - Marshall Newhouse, 6' 3" 320. 5.06 (low 4.96). TCU
Will be in the NFL Combine and East-West Shrine game.
All Mountain West 1st Team. All-American selection. Projected FA

T - Jared Veldheer, 6' 8" 321. 4.89 (low 4.82). Hillsdale
Little All-American First Team. Projected 4-5 rd.

T- Ed Wang, 6' 5" 309. 4.95 (low 4.89). Virginia Tech
All ACC 2nd Team. Projected 5th rd.

RT - Drew Davis, 6' 7" 305. 5.20 (low 5.09). Alabama
Projected 7th Rd.

LT - Jeff Linkenbach, 6' 6" 312. 5.18 (low 5.07). Cincy.
All Big East 2nd Team. Projected FA.

not much FS help to get excited about, but if Kam Chancellor slips into the 5th or later he'd be a good value. Watching him play live reminded me of ST, although he doesn't cover ground the way ST could.

OLB - Perry Riley, 6' 1" 245. 4.64 (low 4.53). LSU
Projected 5th rd.

OLB (will be a converted DE) - Arthur Moats, 6' 250. 4.58. JMU
Projected 6-7th rd.
[U][COLOR=#670100][URL="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/arthur-moats-captures-2009-buck-buchanan-award-79609172.html"]Arthur Moats Captures 2009 Buck Buchanan Award -- CHATTANOOGA, Tenn., Dec. 18 /PRNewswire/ --[/URL][/COLOR][/U]

CB - Stephan Virgil, 5' 11" 190. 4.49 (low 4.37). Virginia Tech
Projected 4-5 rd.

CB - AJ Wallace, 6' 195. 4.43 (low 4.34). Penn State
Projected 6-7 rd.[/quote]Latest update from East/West Shrine on a couple of my late rounders:

[URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/12814898/risers-and-fallers-from-eastwest-shrine-practices"]Risers and Fallers from East-West Shrine practices - NFL - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/URL]

[B]Good [/B]
[B]FS Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech[/B]
Physically imposing at 6-3, 232 pounds, Chancellor looks the part of a potential starting free safety. There will be inevitable comparisons to former Hokies safety Aaron Rouse, a third-round pick of the Green Bay Packers and current starter for the Giants. Chancellor was willing to be physical this week and showed the range to close on out routes.

[B]OG Marshall Newhouse, TCU[/B]
He lined up all along the offensive line this week, turning his man out of the hole, setting quickly in pass protection and generally out-working his man whether playing inside or outside. The 6-3, 326-pound former Horned Frog projects to guard at the next level, but scouts value his versatility to slide over to either tackle spot if needed.


[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/tag?name=east-west-shrine-game"]East-West Shrine Game - Big Ten Blog - ESPN[/URL]

[B]Not so Good[/B]
[B]Ohio State OL Jim Cordle: [/B]"OL [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25073"][COLOR=#225db7]Jim Cordle[/COLOR][/URL] was very slow off the ball, heavy footed and lacked the initial quickness off the ball needed to make the block. Against Virginia's [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25237&draftyear=2010"][COLOR=#225db7]Nate Collins[/COLOR][/URL], he didn't get out of his stance quick enough, had his head down and Collins exploded out, used his hands and beat Cordle to the side."

Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=WaldSkins;657816]What about Sloooooow release Campbell[/quote]

Why go from slow too slower Colt has a better future then Tebow IMO.

Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=30gut;657742]I agree about Coker, but once he runs 4.3 at the combine, pot smoker or not, his draft stock is going to climb and i don't think he'll remain a late round prospect.

A QB to look for if we don't land one in before the 4th round:

Jarrett Brown WVU
[IMG]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:WS98BjVmUmFDLM:http://images.athlonsports.com/d/16130-1/Jarrett%2BBrown.jpg[/IMG]

[url=http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:S7ufMqzwccMJ:www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/566425+Jarrett+Brown&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]Jarrett Brown, , NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

[url=http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2010-Big-Board/Jarrett-Brown.html]Jarrett Brown[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB72s88n1z8]YouTube - WVU ECU highlights 2009[/url][/quote]

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=NFL&columnid=203&articleid=34654&pg=2]Live from the Senior Bowl[/url]

Quarterbacks – West Virginia's Jarrett Brown has put on a show this week. His quick release reminds me a lot of Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Michael Vick's. He snaps the ball in his delivery with terrific velocity and a tight spiral. While he may need some development to become capable of starting in the NFL, Brown certainly has the talent needed to do so. You could definitely argue that Brown is a better pocket passer than his former teammate Pat White was when he entered the draft last year. With team's becoming more athletic in the NFL, Brown should find a home in the middle of the draft.

Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=30gut;657742]I agree about Coker, but once he runs 4.3 at the combine, pot smoker or not, his draft stock is going to climb and i don't think he'll remain a late round prospect.

A QB to look for if we don't land one in before the 4th round:

Jarrett Brown WVU
[IMG]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:WS98BjVmUmFDLM:http://images.athlonsports.com/d/16130-1/Jarrett%2BBrown.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:S7ufMqzwccMJ:www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/566425+Jarrett+Brown&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us"]Jarrett Brown, , NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2010-Big-Board/Jarrett-Brown.html"]Jarrett Brown[/URL]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB72s88n1z8"]YouTube - WVU ECU highlights 2009[/URL][/quote]


I would get Stull from Pitt before I would draft Brown. Too many great under the radar QBs that we could pick up with killer stats and good moves to boot. Sheehan, Lefevour, Pike, Kafka, even Canfield from Oregon St would be better prospects than Brown. Brown is talented for sure, but the true gunslingers are the ones that make the most impact in the NFL.

Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;659212]I would get Stull from Pitt before I would draft Brown. Too many great under the radar QBs that we could pick up with killer stats and good moves to boot. Sheehan, Lefevour, Pike, Kafka, even Canfield from Oregon St would be better prospects than Brown. Brown is talented for sure, but the true gunslingers are the ones that make the most impact in the NFL.[/quote]

Why do you think they would be better prospects? Because they're true 'gunslingers'?

BTW-here's another tidbit on Brown:

[url=http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Practices/South-127.php]Draft Countdown's Senior Bowl Coverage - 1/27/10 South Practice Report[/url]

• Today West Virginia’s Jarrett Brown had the best performance by a quarterback that I’ve seen so far this week. That isn’t necessarily saying a whole lot though… Once again Brown showcased his strong arm and while he tends to make his receivers work for the catch he was solid in 7-on-7’s. Brown also displayed nice touch and accuracy on a fade round. Brown is still raw but he should be a nice mid-round pick for someone as a developmental signal caller.

Re: Late Round Gems
 

01/28/2010 - SENIOR BOWL RISER: QB Jarrett Brown, West Virginia: For all of the hype that Tim Tebow received this week, Brown was consistently the South's best quarterback. He had only one season as the starter after serving behind Pat White, but has the arm-strength and accuracy worthy of development. - Rob Rang, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

01/27/2010 - Senior Bowl, Tuesday: With all of the talk about Tebow, some people may not have noticed that the ball flat-out jumps off the hand of West Virginia quarterback Jarrett Brown. His accuracy was not deadly, but he gave tight ends running down the seams and receivers on the sideline every opportunity to make a play. Brown is still working on getting the ball from under center and is stiff in his drop. His solid arm and ability as a runner, however, bodes well for his future as a playmaker at the next level. - Rob Rang and Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

[url=http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:S7ufMqzwccMJ:www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/566425+Jarrett+Brown&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]Jarrett Brown, , NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]


[url=http://sdg.scout.com/2/942158.html]Scout.com: Senior Bowl Q&A: QB Jarrett Brown[/url]
By Ed Thompson
Scout.com Senior NFL Analyst
Posted Jan 29, 2010



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While Florida's Tim Tebow had the majority of the media huddled around him at the end of Wednesday's South Team practice, Scout.com's Ed Thompson focused his attention on the quarterback who was delivering the best results on the field during the practice sessions--West Virginia's Jarrett Brown.


Ed Thompson: Jarrett, I've been very impressed by your pocket presence this week.

Jarrett Brown: I've always had a knack for it. I was always a pure passer. Some people think I've always been a running quarterback, but I didn't get my speed until I got to college. I feel comfortable under the center and dropping back and just sitting in the pocket.

Thompson: You putting some zip on your passes and you look like you're getting your timing down with this all-star cast of receivers.

Brown: Yeah, you know that first day, my head was kind of spinning a bit. But now I'm getting to know the plays inside out and getting great anticipation on the routes. So I'm able to throw a nicer and more relaxed ball.

Thompson: As you're meeting with these NFL teams, what is it that you want them to know about you as a person?

Brown: I really just want them to know who I am, just the real me, Jarrett Brown.

Thompson: Tell me about your family and the role they've played in helping you get here today.

Brown: My family is everything, I wouldn't be here without my family. I'm the youngest in the family. I grew up in West Palm Beach and had all these great guys who pointed me in the right direction. I just didn't want to fail them.


Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images

Thompson: I know that all the fans and the media are going nuts over Tim Tebow, but you've been the best quarterback out here so far this week. I like your poise, the energy level you're bringing to your team, and your execution.

Brown: Thank you.

Thompson: Talk a bit about working with Pat White until he moved on to the Miami Dolphins last year. Have you talked to him at all about what you'll be experiencing in the coming months?

Brown: I haven't talked to him about the Senior Bowl, but I have talked to him about his experience with the Dolphins organization. This is a great coaching staff. They kind of remind me of the West Virginia staff. They are great people, the kind of people I want to work with. Pat came back to school and started showing me some things. And sure enough, the coach here said something to me about one of those things, so it was great that Pat had already told me.

Thompson: I know you've met with plenty of NFL teams, but who are just a few of the ones you've talked to so far? I'm sure the fans back in West Virginia would like to hear about that.

Brown: Mostly all of them. I really appreciate the support from

Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;654040]Here's mine. Obviously we need to see their Combine numbers and Senior Bowl / E-W Shrine performances to get a better look. All are projected in the 4th or later rounds:

QB - I'll hop on the Skelton express. Also Max Hall from BYU.

RB - Joique Bell, 6' 1", 223. 4.53 (low 4.43) 40 time, Wayne St.
Will be in the NFL Combine and Senior Bowl.
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4735984"]Wayne St. RB Joique Bell named Division II player of the year - ESPN[/URL]

RB - Deji Karim, 5' 9", 205. 4.46 (low 4.37) 40 time, Southern Ill.
Will be in the TX vs. Nation Challenge 2/6/2010
[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/287821-southern-illinois-deji-karim-has-nfl-scouts-rushing-to-campus"]SOUTHERN ILLINOIS' DEJI KARIM HAS NFL SCOUTS RUSHING TO CAMPUS | Bleacher Report[/URL]

C - Eric Olsen, 6' 4", 305. 5.26 (low 5.12), Notre Dame
Will be in Senior Bowl. 1 sack in 450 Pass Att, 50 NCAA starts.
Projected 5th rd

C- Jim Cordle, 6' 4", 298. 5.12, Ohio State
Can play all OL positions. Projected 7th-FA

G - Mitch Petrus, 6' 3", 315. 5.09 (low 4.96). Arkansas
1st Team All SEC (coaches). Projected 4th rd.

G - Thomas Austin, 6' 3", 310. 5.16. Clemson
All ACC 2nd Team (media). Projected 7th-FA

G - Marshall Newhouse, 6' 3" 320. 5.06 (low 4.96). TCU
Will be in the NFL Combine and East-West Shrine game.
All Mountain West 1st Team. All-American selection. Projected FA

T - Jared Veldheer, 6' 8" 321. 4.89 (low 4.82). Hillsdale
Little All-American First Team. Projected 4-5 rd.

T- Ed Wang, 6' 5" 309. 4.95 (low 4.89). Virginia Tech
All ACC 2nd Team. Projected 5th rd.

RT - Drew Davis, 6' 7" 305. 5.20 (low 5.09). Alabama
Projected 7th Rd.

LT - Jeff Linkenbach, 6' 6" 312. 5.18 (low 5.07). Cincy.
All Big East 2nd Team. Projected FA.

not much FS help to get excited about, but if Kam Chancellor slips into the 5th or later he'd be a good value. Watching him play live reminded me of ST, although he doesn't cover ground the way ST could.

OLB - Perry Riley, 6' 1" 245. 4.64 (low 4.53). LSU
Projected 5th rd.

OLB (will be a converted DE) - Arthur Moats, 6' 250. 4.58. JMU
Projected 6-7th rd.
[U][COLOR=#670100][URL="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/arthur-moats-captures-2009-buck-buchanan-award-79609172.html"]Arthur Moats Captures 2009 Buck Buchanan Award -- CHATTANOOGA, Tenn., Dec. 18 /PRNewswire/ --[/URL][/COLOR][/U]

CB - Stephan Virgil, 5' 11" 190. 4.49 (low 4.37). Virginia Tech
Projected 4-5 rd.

CB - AJ Wallace, 6' 195. 4.43 (low 4.34). Penn State
Projected 6-7 rd.[/quote]Senior Bowl update on my later rounders:

T- Ed Wang, 6' 5" 309. 4.95 (low 4.89). Virginia Tech
All ACC 2nd Team. Projected 5th rd.
Good against power rush, struggled with inside and finesse moves. Slow feet, didn't look bad in the game outside of the sack he gave up. Don't like the cut blocks, he missed on a couple.

G - Mitch Petrus, 6' 3", 315. 5.09 (low 4.96). Arkansas
1st Team All SEC (coaches). Projected 4th rd.
Bad footwork, off-balance, head down on a few plays. I'd pass on him. We already have Rinehart who is a better, bigger, stronger version of Petrus.

C - Eric Olsen, 6' 4", 305. 5.26 (low 5.12), Notre Dame
Will be in Senior Bowl. 1 sack in 450 Pass Att, 50 NCAA starts.
Projected 5th rd
Good techician. Wasn't holding up too well in the 1-on-1 in Senior Bowl practice against a strong bull rush. Looked good in the game though. Held up well against Cody & Williams. If Tennant is gone, Olsen would be a good addition in the 5th or later.

RB - Joique Bell, 6' 1", 223. 4.53 (low 4.43) 40 time, Wayne St.
Will be in the NFL Combine and Senior Bowl.
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4735984"][COLOR=#810081]Wayne St. RB Joique Bell named Division II player of the year - ESPN[/COLOR][/URL]
Had a couple nice runs. Looked good in pass pro during practices. Fumbled once and bobbled the ball on a hard hit by Mays. His 40-time will be everyting for him at the combine. I wouldn't risk higher than a 5th on him.

Re: Late Round Gems
 

His name is John SKELTON. I dont know if he'd be a gem. He's got size yes and if that's all we are measuring him by then yes he's tall lol. But hes a Spread offense quarterback and u wanna talk about playin against inferior competition. He played Division 1-A, not a good measuring stick to what he could actually do. although this quote about him was AWESOME "He stands 6-5 and packs a solid 258 pounds onto his country-strong frame. He has a Howitzer masquerading as a right arm" LMAO

Re: Late Round Gems
 

We know that it's Skelton haha

Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=30gut;659217]Why do you think they would be better prospects? Because they're true 'gunslingers'?

BTW-here's another tidbit on Brown:

[URL="http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Practices/South-127.php"]Draft Countdown's Senior Bowl Coverage - 1/27/10 South Practice Report[/URL]

• Today West Virginia’s Jarrett Brown had the best performance by a quarterback that I’ve seen so far this week. That isn’t necessarily saying a whole lot though… Once again Brown showcased his strong arm and while he tends to make his receivers work for the catch he was solid in 7-on-7’s. Brown also displayed nice touch and accuracy on a fade round. Brown is still raw but he should be a nice mid-round pick for someone as a developmental signal caller.[/quote]


Yeah, we don't need another Vick in the NFL. How many of these option/athletic/running star Qbs have won a SB? None. Randal Cunningham was great to watch, but didn't win jack at Philly, ditto with McNabb(at least he went to a SB), and now Vick. You want a mobile guy that can get out of trouble, but not necessarily a QB/RB type. The only SB winning QB that was a really good runner was Steve Young.

Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;660837]Yeah, we don't need another Vick in the NFL. [/quote]
We don't need another Vick in the NFL? Huh?

[quote]How many of these option/[B][U]athletic[/U][/B]/running star Qbs have won a SB? None.[/quote]

You mean other then Joe Montana and Steve Young?

BTW-If you measure a QB only by wether or not they win the SB you're discrediting many great QBs like Marino, Kelly, Moon etc


[quote]Randal Cunningham was great to watch, but didn't win jack at Philly, ditto with McNabb(at least he went to a SB), and now Vick. You want a mobile guy that can get out of trouble, but not necessarily a QB/RB type. The only SB winning QB that was a really good runner was Steve Young.[/quote]
Look dude, forget it.
This thread is about late round gems, which might be a moot point as Brown continues to impress and move up the draft boards.
[quote]01/28/2010 - SENIOR BOWL RISER: QB Jarrett Brown, West Virginia: For all of the hype that Tim Tebow received this week, Brown was consistently the South's best quarterback. He had only one season as the starter after serving behind Pat White, but has the arm-strength and accuracy worthy of development. - Rob Rang, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

01/27/2010 - Senior Bowl, Tuesday: With all of the talk about Tebow, some people may not have noticed that the ball flat-out jumps off the hand of West Virginia quarterback Jarrett Brown. His accuracy was not deadly, but he gave tight ends running down the seams and receivers on the sideline every opportunity to make a play. Brown is still working on getting the ball from under center and is stiff in his drop. His solid arm and ability as a runner, however, bodes well for his future as a playmaker at the next level. - Rob Rang and Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com [/quote]

It appears for some reason that your dug in anti-Brown and that's fine be me.
I say this because you've basically been downing him ever since the first time i mentioned him.
I've said and other posters have said that Brown is not a 'running QB' but you persist in refering to him as such.

I wonder what your opinion is of Colt McCoy?

Re: Late Round Gems
 

This guy looks like he could help on ST's and either play OLB or stand in for Orakpo when he lines up at DE. Could be a good pick for the 5-7 rounds.

[url=http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=2430]Joe Pawelek, LB, Baylor[/url]

Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=30gut;660984]We don't need another Vick in the NFL? Huh?



You mean other then Joe Montana and Steve Young?

BTW-If you measure a QB only by wether or not they win the SB you're discrediting many great QBs like Marino, Kelly, Moon etc



Look dude, forget it.
This thread is about late round gems, which might be a moot point as Brown continues to impress and move up the draft boards.


It appears for some reason that your dug in anti-Brown and that's fine be me.
I say this because you've basically been downing him ever since the first time i mentioned him.
I've said and other posters have said that Brown is not a 'running QB' but you persist in refering to him as such.

I wonder what your opinion is of Colt McCoy?[/quote]


He isn't a running QB, but one of those guys that will hesitate as to whether he should take off with it. That is what killed Vick in Atlanta in my opinion. ALso when was the last time a Mountaineer made good in the NFL? Major Harris was a real talent also at WVU, didn't do much in the pros though.

Re: Late Round Gems
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;662096]He isn't a running QB, but one of those guys that will hesitate as to whether he should take off with it. That is what killed Vick in Atlanta in my opinion.[/quote]

YOU are assuming he's one of those guys that will always think about taking off.

[quote] ALso when was the last time a Mountaineer made good in the NFL? Major Harris was a real talent also at WVU, didn't do much in the pros though.[/quote]

Well there's a strong point.
When was the last time a player from school X had success in the NFL?
^^This isn't exactly a strong arguement.

Like i said before for whatever reason you don't like Brown even though we were initially talking about him as a [I][B]late round[/B][/I] prospect i.e. a prospect that obviously needs development.

Wether you like it or not its most likely a moot point now as he's no longer a late round prospect because he's played his was into the mid-round with a strong showing during Senior Bowl week.

Apparently they aren't seeing the same things your seeing.

Anyway, no need to go back and forth with your spurious claims against Brown. Suffice it say you don't like him as a prospect because you view him as a run first QB.

Answer this question and let just drop it? Cool?
[IMG]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:y3njcHmCBNpUUM:http://www.bloggingbeirut.com/images/june07/cheers1S.jpg[/IMG]
What's your opinion of Colt McCoy?

Re: Late Round Gems
 

We need some linemen!