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Agree with you. Just want to add that I remember it seemed like DHall was always around the ball last year.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;531225]Actually, I think the backfield of Hall/Rogers is going to be fine - as long as they can work together, I think their styles will be complimentary. Can Smoot be a vialble 3rd corner anymore? dunno.[/quote]

Yo step off son!

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[quote=Buster;531212][B]You typed Boldin.[/B] People reading see that and have to respond to it's ridiculousness right there. There's an edit button, you know. :)[/quote]

Yeah, my bad. I saw Boldin.

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[quote=Buster;531147]Wow.

He's a dumbass for signing the top free agent available when all of the "experts" said our cap wouldn't permit it?

He's a financial, specifically a salary cap genius. Every year, he's able to turn what looks like cap hell into the capability to sign anyone we need or want. He does it with how contracts are written, plus every year we have some big names who are committed to the team and are willing to restructure to free up cap room. They wouldn't do that if they hated Snyder and weren't buying into the team's future.

That was just an ignorant statement.

[/quote]

No, it was just an accurate statement. Backloading a contract to get around the cap has absolutely nothing to do with making a smart player investment. Haynesworth will be gone inside of three years, and I doubt he can even give us 14 games this year(assuming he does not blunder himself into a suspension). The leagues is filled with examples(look at the Cowboy's) of how buying the hot name fails and how building a deep team succeeds. Please Dan, Please... invest all of your money in Six Flags. Go for broke and ACHIEVE it!

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Id rather have Dan Snyder than Jeffrey Lorie (eagles owner). Those fans are so pissed every year because they have had a very good team for the past decade and are always 20 mil under the cap. Imagine if they had added a piece here or there...suckers.

Time for some analysis - The skins blitz on the majority of their possessions...towards the end of last year it was in the 60% range for the season. This gave alot of our players the opportunity to make plays one on one with a blocker. Yet we consistently could not make the play. Hopefully the addition of AH will have some of these guys running free at the QB.

Also... we dont play man that often. Blache mixes mostly Cover 3, Quarters and Cover 2 with some man on one side with safety help and what not. Hall is terrific in zone coverage. Im glad we held on to him.

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I will give Haynesworth one big prop -- I do like anyone that stomps on Cowboys.

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We have not had a DT that was worth anything in forever.

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[quote=JWDundees;531253]Id rather have Dan Snyder than Jeffrey Lorie (eagles owner). Those fans are so pissed every year because they have had a very good team for the past decade and are always 20 mil under the cap. Imagine if they had added a piece here or there...suckers. [/quote]

Yet, they outperform us nearly every year, and get to the NFC finals -- something we have not breathed on in at least a decade. I would not have a problem with the moves if we just needed one piece... but we need so many.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531239]Yo step off son![/quote]

Ha...hell yea...Smoot can hold it down.

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[quote=munny;531256]Yet, they outperform us nearly every year, and get to the NFC finals -- something we have not breathed on in at least a decade. I would not have a problem with the moves if we just needed one piece... but we need so many.[/quote]

We havent had a Donovan McNabb playing QB for us in the past 10 years.

Dont get me wrong... I like Campbell...but our QB situation has sucked in recent history.

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No argument there. I want to like Campbell, but he has not proven that we don't need to go get a QB. We certainly do not have a capable qb behind him if he goes down or is benched.

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[quote=JWDundees;531258]We havent had a Donovan McNabb playing QB for us in the past 10 years.

Dont get me wrong... I like Campbell...[B]but our QB situation has sucked in recent history[/B].[/quote]

Oh boy, this is going to put Matty over the edge. Here's how he's going to look 0.000002 seconds after reading this...:madani:

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Back to Haynesworth - Playing the Cowboys (and Gurode) may be a constant reminder to him that he almost lost the privilege of playing the game. Of course, 41M guarranteed money can make one feel incredibly privileged anyway.

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yes thats a discussion for another day. Lets cheers to another off season championship...and hope this leads to many victories down the road.

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;531053]We will totally regret this signing - WAY more downside than updside. Here's my reasons:

1) Too much $$. That is Peyton Manning money and you can't tell me that Fat Albert (who will probably participate in only about 60% of the snaps) is worth that.

2) His old team and Detroit (new HC is old DC at Titans) did not go after him aggressively at all. They obviously know he's NOT worth the money.

3) He's hurt. A lot.

4) He's got no motivation to perform - and has shown to be a player that needs motivation to perform.

5) The Titans' system was designed to collapse the pocket from the outside via speed rushing DE's and force the QB to step up into Fat Albert's path. I think we'll find out that this HUGELY inflated his numbers.

6) Not a high-character guy. (Neither is DeAngelo Hall who we just blew another rediculous wad of money on). This is the anti-Gibbs philosophy. How many perennial SB contenders do you see with character issue guys? Patriots? Steelers? Bad for team chemistry.

7) I guarantee you that in 2-3 years we're going to have a situation where we'll have to re-wicker his contract and it's going to be a media mess with trash-talking, holdouts, etc...

8) At this price, short of a repeat of what he did last year - it will be a complete DISASTER.

9) Cut & Paste all of these comments for MeAngelo Hall as well.[/quote]

I agree w/all 9. Really seems that DS has amnesia.

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[quote=munny;531261]No argument there. I want to like Campbell, but he has not proven that we don't need to go get a QB. We certainly do not have a capable qb behind him if he goes down or is benched.[/quote]
If I'm correct our back up QB is something like 4 to 1 so what do you base that off of.

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I don't give a rat's ass about how much he's getting. I'm not the one paying him so who cares? All I care about is his play on the field. I like the fact that he has a mean streak. Since the death of ST, our defense has lacked "nastiness". Glad to have some of that injected into the D line for a change. Hopefully, he will be as good as he was in TN.

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As a change-up on 3rd down, Haynesworth-Griff-Monty- Carter or JT would look pretty stout.

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Yeeeeeeeeesssssssssss Haynesworth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Let's be real for a minute. There's downside to every deal. Every single one. There's always the potential issue of injuries, lack of production, and character flaws, and system knowledge at the professional level. So in my opinion, money is irrelevant to the extent that someone was going to sign him and benefit from his services anyway. So why not the Redskins. There's just a point, when it comes to a superstar athelete in his prime, some team will always be perceived as overpaying for this guy or that guy. What about the 49ers making a cornerback the highest paid player in NFL history last year? Since the Washington Redskins have a reputation for overspending, it just makes for juicier conversation.

The point is, as far as numbers are concerned, can we stay under the cap. And we always seem to find a way to do so. So I could care less how much they paid for Haynesworth. Seriously. The whole argument about cap numbers and too much in salary is worthless in my opinion. You either win or lose in this league. Fans don't give a shit how much you were under the cap come Super Bowl sunday every year. They just don't. Now there can be an argument made that if we don't spend too much on this guy, we can afford that guy. But I digress.

I just want the Skins to win. Period. Sometimes the big names work out and sometimes they don't. Bottom line, for the first time in a long time, we have a bona-fide bad ass in burgundy and gold. Sure, if he blows out his knee in camp, yeah, it looks like a bad effin move. But if we can keep Brandon Jacobs from running down our throats on third and short with the division title on the line, you betcha, Haynesworth was worth every burgundy cent of his contract.

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All I ask is they find a way to bring in Dock and Willis and this will go in the books as one hell of a free agent weekend.

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Are we still going after Canty?

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701209.html?hpid=topnews]washingtonpost.com[/url]

this is a good & to me, obvious, assessment.

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[quote=Eknox;531313]Are we still going after Canty?[/quote]

Don't think so

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I think my post in the Peter King "Haynesworth to the Redskins" thread a few days ago sums things up for me.


[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/28540-king-predicts-haynesworth-to-redskins-3.html#post529092[/URL]

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Wow. We might as well sign manny ramirez too!

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[quote=freddyg12;531319][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701209.html?hpid=topnews"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

this is a good & to me, obvious, assessment.[/quote]

Yup. I agree with you and this article.

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[quote=12thMan;531300]Let's be real for a minute. There's downside to every deal. Every single one. There's always the potential issue of injuries, lack of production, and character flaws, and system knowledge at the professional level. So in my opinion, money is irrelevant to the extent that someone was going to sign him and benefit from his services anyway. So why not the Redskins. There's just a point, when it comes to a superstar athelete in his prime, some team will always be perceived as overpaying for this guy or that guy. What about the 49ers making a cornerback the highest paid player in NFL history last year? Since the Washington Redskins have a reputation for overspending, it just makes for juicier conversation.

The point is, as far as numbers are concerned, can we stay under the cap. And we always seem to find a way to do so. So I could care less how much they paid for Haynesworth. Seriously. The whole argument about cap numbers and too much in salary is worthless in my opinion. You either win or lose in this league. Fans don't give a shit how much you were under the cap come Super Bowl sunday every year. They just don't. Now there can be an argument made that if we don't spend too much on this guy, we can afford that guy. But I digress.

I just want the Skins to win. Period. Sometimes the big names work out and sometimes they don't. Bottom line, for the first time in a long time, we have a bona-fide bad ass in burgundy and gold. Sure, if he blows out his knee in camp, yeah, it looks like a bad effin move. But if we can keep Brandon Jacobs from running down our throats on third and short with the division title on the line, you betcha, Haynesworth was worth every burgundy cent of his contract.[/quote]

I get your point, to an extent. But it seems to oversimplify a broader issue; what's the best way to build a winner? The approach of signing the best guy to the biggest contract hasn't worked. Not just here, but elsewhere. We debate these issues here because we have knowledgable people & a few capologists that take the time to provide us w/info & potential scenarios. If we didn't look at the contracts in such a manner, this site would get boring IMO.

As for the $ side of it. If you're a fan you should care, our $ as consumers allows this to go on. If good players that we drafted are cut due to these big signings, as a fan I care. I want to see the team builds its own talent & pay them ONCE they proven themselves here in DC. Every signing has an implication for the cap & the future. This one has HUGE implications!

On your last sentence, you mean "gold" cent don't you? :)

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[quote=firstdown;531292]If I'm correct our back up QB is something like 4 to 1 so what do you base that off of.[/quote]

I base it off of the fact that Collins played one year in his career well and in one system. He looked completely lost in Zorn's system. The 3rd stringer is a preseason fanboy star, but will not cut it. I hope Collins could step in, but I just don't see any real hope for depth there.

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I voted for love the player and the money. And I voted for that knowing that I don't like the money at all.

But from what I understand, the team got the contract structure they wanted, and landed their guy only 5 hours into free agency, so this is great work on all sides. Our DL is far, far better than it was at this point yesterday.

And no, this doesn't make our team $41 million dollars better. But it does make the team better, and that's not usually something that happens through free agency. It takes a special player to change the prospectus of an entire organization, and we did that today.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;531310]All I ask is they find a way to bring in Dock and Willis and this will go in the books as one hell of a free agent weekend.[/quote]

Ditto DB... but i don't see how we have the money. Admittedly I suck at grasping the cap and especially at how contracts can be structured but I thought after the Springs cut we are just barely below the cap (about $1 mill under). Where the hell r we going to get the $5 to 7 mill unless Taylor is restructured, which i'm totally against, or outright cut?

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[quote=The Goat;531344]Ditto DB... but i don't see how we have the money. Admittedly I suck at grasping the cap and especially at how contracts can be structured but I thought after the Springs cut we are just barely below the cap (about $1 mill under). Where the hell r we going to get the $5 to 7 mill unless Taylor is restructured, which i'm totally against, or outright cut?[/quote]I think both the Haynesworth and Hall deals were submitted to the league office before we made the decision to cut Springs. So I'm guessing the 12 million we had was eaten by those two large contracts, but now the Springs release creates another free 6 million dollars.

And it completes my prediction back from January that the Redskins would have to release two veterans in order to be major players in the FA market. Taylor appears safe, but unless we can get a trade for one of our DTs, we'll only be able to bring in one FA lineman plus whoever we use the first round pick on.

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[quote=Buster;531147]Wow.

He's a dumbass for signing the top free agent available when all of the "experts" said our cap wouldn't permit it?

[B]He's a financial, specifically a salary cap genius. Every year, he's able to turn what looks like cap hell into the capability to sign anyone we need or want. [/B]He does it with how contracts are written, plus every year we have some big names who are committed to the team and are willing to restructure to free up cap room. They wouldn't do that if they hated Snyder and weren't buying into the team's future.

That was just an ignorant statement.

I really hope we get to see Snyder operate without a salary cap. This should be fun and we'll definitely win a few more Lombardis.

People hate the Yankees because they can buy whatever player they wish, well, Snyder is just like Steinbrenner...a very successful man who worked to build a fortune. I may not like the Yanks, but if our Skins are one of the most valuable franchises in the world (were #1 before Dallas built their new stadium with a hole in the roof), I am happy about it.

With or without a salary cap, some teams like the Lions will always be bad because of ownership decisions. The Redskins have an owner who has not only become a better owner football-wise, but has all of the money in the league at his disposal because of his personal success.[/quote]

That's fine and dandy but every year we're up against the cap and we're never a SB contending team. Maybe they ought to change the way they do business.

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[quote=GTripp0012;531347]I think both the Haynesworth and Hall deals were submitted to the league office before we made the decision to cut Springs. [B]So I'm guessing the 12 million we had was eaten by those two large contracts, but now the Springs release creates another free 6 million dollars.[/B]

And it completes my prediction back from January that the Redskins would have to release two veterans in order to be major players in the FA market. Taylor appears safe, but unless we can get a trade for one of our DTs, we'll only be able to bring in one FA lineman plus whoever we use the first round pick on.[/quote]

Fascinating that we were able to get this done on 12 million... so cutting Springs would def indicate we're gonna give some help to the o-line in FA. I would really like to get Dock and Willis but actually if we have to limit it to a single lineman i want Brown.

GTripp i'm very, very curious how you see our front seven lining up on defense. Who will play the ends? Who will be play OLBs? And... are we still a 4-3 defense for absolutely sure?

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This is gonna be a looking at this from different perspectives kinda comment. Basically, I think Al Haynesworth is a good player. Is he worth 100 million? Nope. Imo the only people worth 100 million are the ones that you know absolutely deserve it, and Haynesworth has too many questions (examples: can he stay healthy? will he play here like he did in Tennessee? How do we know he wasn't just in it for the money the last two seasons?) for him to be worth it.

I just feel like this is the same old song and dance, and I get tired of it happening every other year with mixed success. 100 Mil is a big gamble on a player, even if he is the best at his position. I also feel like Danny does this just to get the Redskins name on the front page. I take notice of the fact that pretty much all of the Super Bowl winners these past few years were relatively quiet in free agency.

But all that is from a non-football perspective. From a football perspective this sounds like a good idea, Haynesworth is a monster who can eat up double teams and be very disruptive up the middle, which will create opportunities for Taylor and Carter and just make our defense better as a whole. I'm just worried Haynesworth won't live up to his end of the deal.

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[quote=The Goat;531367]Fascinating that we were able to get this done on 12 million... so cutting Springs would def indicate we're gonna give some help to the o-line in FA. I would really like to get Dock and Willis but actually if we have to limit it to a single lineman i want Brown.

GTripp i'm very, very curious how you see our front seven lining up on defense. Who will play the ends? Who will be play OLBs? And... are we still a 4-3 defense for absolutely sure?[/quote]Yes, we're absolutely a 4-3 defense. The rest is just speculation at this point.

Haynesworth will start at the nose. Griffin will take the 3 shade. Carter will be the right end. I have no idea who will start at LE. I think Daniels will probably come back at vet minimum, but it's hard for me to see Jason Taylor there as a three down end. We've already made that mistake once...

Fletch in the middle, and I think Rocky will shift over to the strong side. I could see either Blades, or Taylor, or even a draft pick at weak side LB.

Then you have Hall and Rogers at the corners and Landry and Horton at the safeties, and that's pretty straightforward.

I would consider taking Maualuga with the first round pick if we get some free agent help on the OL. Right now, the defenses biggest weakness is the increasing attrition rate with Fletcher's age, and the fact that we are absolutely reliant on getting another 16 game season from him. He's a warrior, but is that a gamble we really should be taking?

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I also think Angelo Crowell is coming here, in addition to one OL signing. His price tag should be on the very cheap.

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[quote=GTripp0012;531385]I also think Angelo Crowell is coming here, in addition to one OL signing. His price tag should be on the very cheap.[/quote] Where did you hear that? I think we would be better off drafteing a OLB. I think Crowell has some injury issues as well, which causes concern.

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[quote=freddyg12;531334]I get your point, to an extent. But it seems to oversimplify a broader issue; what's the best way to build a winner? The approach of signing the best guy to the biggest contract hasn't worked. Not just here, but elsewhere. We debate these issues here because we have knowledgable people & a few capologists that take the time to provide us w/info & potential scenarios. If we didn't look at the contracts in such a manner, this site would get boring IMO.

As for the $ side of it. If you're a fan you should care, our $ as consumers allows this to go on. If good players that we drafted are cut due to these big signings, as a fan I care. I want to see the team builds its own talent & pay them ONCE they proven themselves here in DC. Every signing has an implication for the cap & the future. This one has HUGE implications!

On your last sentence, you mean "gold" cent don't you? :)[/quote]

As far as your comment about signing the best guy to the biggest contract, as I stated, somtimes the big name works out and sometimes they don't. And no one is disputing, or at least they shouldn't be, the fact the Redskins have a lot of players who they drafted and have proven themselves while here in D.C. For every good player that the Skins had to let go because of cap room, they had another two or three that we got great value for. The only sure losing strategy is when you apply the spend at all costs mindset accross the board. And since the Redskins haven't, I don't have any problem with them signing Big Al to a lot of coin. Even if it's gold coin.

For the record, I love having the capologist here on this site. It's one of the many things that make it, arguably, the best NFL fan site in the country. And quite frankly, it makes me feel (this may sound corny) that I'm among some of the most elite fans in the country. So my jab at the cap argument wasn't meant to trivialize or undermine in anyway the hard work and time some of members put into providing us with this valuable knowledge. Or the debate that ensues. It's just not my thing, that's all. But a lot things aren't. Doesn't make them any less important.

I maintain, however, if Big Al stays healthy, the Skins will finish no less than 10-6.

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I do think Haynesworth is an elusive "win per year" type player. Even when you consider that he's not going to eat up minutes at DT, I'd say he alone is good enough to turn a 10 win team into an 11 win team.

There's probably fewer than ten DL in the league who qualify for that title, I would estimate. The Giants have one of them in Tuck, too, and Jay Ratliff might make that list as well.