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The Ravens aren't on our schedule this year are they?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rQk1pKDRJY&feature=related]YouTube - Donovan McNabb Benched For Kevin Kolb..3 Turnovers[/ame]

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[quote=mlmpetert;683483]Just got my McNabb email. Danny Boy LOVES cashing in on these things:

Donovan McNabb is a Redskin! Order Your McNabb Jersey Today:

[URL="http://shop.redskins.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKUID=129410"]Washington Redskins[/URL][/quote]

Yep, all about making money; not victories.

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They should've hidden the fact that there are McNabb jerseys being made available. Maybe only sell 5 of them as an act of good measure.

Right?

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[quote=RedskinPete;683488]I really don't like giving up what little draft picks we have but McNabb is trade is done. I ask you all will McNabb make our WR better or do we need to up grade that as well with the OL?[/quote]

No, our receivers suck. I think we should trade our 1st pick for Brandon Marshall. I mean, can we get a reciever of Marshall's talent in the 4th overall selection? NO! So, we should trade that pick away for Marshall right now. Then we'll be set everywhere except for Offensive Line and Linebacker. Thats not bad!

And just who the heck picks players on Thursday and Friday Night anyway? Kind of gay you know? We should draft everyone we're going to draft on the weekend. Thats the way its always been done and thats the way we should continue to do it.

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lol, could be!

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I think this addresses GTripps point about McNabbs decline pretty well.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=5057099]NFL: The Philadelphia Eagles decided the time was right to trade Donovan McNabb - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;683443]I'm not buying that.

I think they understand the risk they are taking, [SIZE=3]but Reid wouldn't trade him somewhere he didn't want to go[/SIZE].[/quote]

Then Reid and the Eagles entire front off are stupid little shits. They would allow their franchise QB to go to a team in their division because thats where the player wanted to go. BS Why would you put your franchise at second fiddle to the guy your letting go. That is also a slap in the face to the other players and fans if they think McNabb has a few more good years. So either they are stupid or they think McNabb is a none factor.

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[quote=firstdown;683511]Then Reid and the Eagles entire front off are stupid little shits. They would allow their franchise QB to go to a team in their division because thats where the player wanted to go. BS Why would you put your franchise at second fiddle to the guy your letting go. That is also a slap in the face to the other players and fans if they think McNabb has a few more good years. So either they are stupid or they think McNabb is a none factor.[/quote]

I still think this move was more the Eagles FO rather than Reid.

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[quote=firstdown;683511]Then Reid and the Eagles entire front off are stupid little shits. They would allow their franchise QB to go to a team in their division because thats where the player wanted to go. BS Why would you put your franchise at second fiddle to the guy your letting go. That is also a slap in the face to the other players and fans if they think McNabb has a few more good years. So either they are stupid or they think McNabb is a none factor.[/quote]

It's been said a million times in each thread that no team was going to trade for McNabb unless he'd sign an extension with them. Sure there were teams interested but McNabb held the trump card.

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[quote=Miller101;683501]No, our receivers suck. I think we should trade our 1st pick for Brandon Marshall. I mean, can we get a reciever of Marshall's talent in the 4th overall selection? NO! So, we should trade that pick away for Marshall right now. Then we'll be set everywhere except for Offensive Line and Linebacker. Thats not bad!

And just who the heck picks players on Thursday and Friday Night anyway? Kind of gay you know? We should draft everyone we're going to draft on the weekend. Thats the way its always been done and thats the way we should continue to do it.[/quote]

Or maybe we had a QB that hung on to the ball all day and never had any real timing. See this is the NFL and WR's and QB's have a small window to throw into and we had a QB that missed most of those windows and either threw it away or took a sack.

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[quote=Miller101;683501]No, our receivers suck. I think we should trade our 1st pick for Brandon Marshall. I mean, can we get a reciever of Marshall's talent in the 4th overall selection? NO! So, we should trade that pick away for Marshall right now. Then we'll be set everywhere except for Offensive Line and Linebacker. Thats not bad!

And just who the heck picks players on Thursday and Friday Night anyway? Kind of gay you know? We should draft everyone we're going to draft on the weekend. Thats the way its always been done and thats the way we should continue to do it.[/quote]

Are you serious?! You want to give up our #4 pick when we have what? 4 total picks in the draft and the ONLY place we are not set is Offensive line and linebacker? That's a freaking huge place not to be set. I can see it now... Big Mike, Heyer and the over the hill gang get McNabb on IR week one and newly traded for Brandon Marshall has his diva moment take two when he doesn't get the ball and the Skins lose, ALOT. Makes perfect sense.

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[quote=irish;683323]Really, I'd call it a success. DM isnt going to come in and make them a 12 game winner.[/quote]

Stranger things have happened. Some people say the Dolphins turnaround was due to the overkill of drafting guys up front and that certainly helped but I think without the Chad Pennington signing theres no way they're half as good as they were in 2008. The wildcat helped a lot as well but Pennington was a big acquistion for them and McNabb makes Pennington look very average in the big scheme of things. We will get our Jake Long, weather it be OKUNG!!!!! or Bulaga in a trade down.

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[quote=mlmpetert;683483]Just got my McNabb email. Danny Boy LOVES cashing in on these things:

Donovan McNabb is a Redskin! Order Your McNabb Jersey Today:

[URL="http://shop.redskins.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKUID=129410"]Washington Redskins[/URL][/quote]

Got mine too. Snyder doesn't mess around.

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[quote=tryfuhl;683516]It's been said a million times in each thread that no team was going to trade for McNabb unless he'd sign an extension with them. Sure there were teams interested but McNabb held the trump card.[/quote]
Thats fine but if someone think that Reid did this for McNabb then I have a nice bridge for sale.

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This is how I see the oline right now
LT Draft Pick
LG Dockery
C Rabach
RG M. Williams
RT A. Hicks

not a bad line especially if we find a way to trade back into the 3rd and get Matt Tenant.

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[quote=SeanTaylor21SKINS;683471]I myself am happy with this trade. When was the last time we had an "old washed up quarterback?" Mark Brunell... He was more successful than both Campbell and Ramsey (two young quarterbacks) while wearing burgundy and gold. I'd much rather put my team on the shoulders of Donovan McNabb a proven veteran than a young and unproven Sam Bradford. Plus this gives the Skins an opportunity to take a ready to start left tackle in Okung with the fourth pick.[/quote]

Now that we're not going to draft him I'm going to go on record as saying that Bradford is Alex Smith 2.0. I posted this before but I really want people to see the similarities.

[quote]Strengths: Is as good as it gets from an intangibles standpoint. Is an outstanding leader  both in terms of vocally and by example. An extremely hard worker  on the field, in the classroom and in the weight room. Is the most cerebral quarterback in this class. Has an outstanding feel for the game, makes few mistakes and understands the importance of ball security. Is one of the most competitive prospects in this class. A "gym-rat" type that just loves playing the game. Has sound mechanics. Delivery is quick and his release point is high. Is a tall QB that rarely has a ball batted down. Does an excellent job of finding throwing windows. Is at his best on short-to-intermediate routes. Has excellent timing and touch. Displays outstanding field vision. Understands how to make a pre-snap read and does a great job of picking up the blitz. Will make his progression reads, shows patience in the pocket and also does a good job of finding open receivers on the move after the original play has broken down. Has very good mobility. Shows quick feet and is fluid. Has a terrific pocket presence. Shows good balance and body control, especially for a taller athlete. Is a threat to run. Doesn't possess Mike Vick's type of explosiveness but has above average speed. Reminds us of a young Brett Favre -- shows some elusiveness and a lot of toughness as a runner. Good vision and a great feel for where the first down markers are. Is mechanically sound and accurate when throwing on the run.

Weaknesses: Arm strength is adequate but not good. Still needs to improve his overall bulk and strength. He can make most of the NFL throws but won't be able to fit the ball into tight spots that many starting NFL quarterbacks can. Very similar to Chad Pennington (Jets) in this area. If there's one facet of his accuracy that is inconsistent it is the deep ball. Ball occasionally will sail and he'll need to improve his timing in order to be successful throwing downfield in the NFL. He spent most of his time in the shotgun and in a spread offense. He will need to learn to read defenses while dropping from under center. He also will need to prove that he's not a "system QB", as he played in an offense that was wide-open and made a lot of the reads very easy for him. [/quote]

OKUNGGGG!!!!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;683425]Well, I was waiting for the final act, which figures to involve fire in some way.[/quote]

Tripp what did you think about the Brunell trade? I think Gibbs gave Jacksonville a 3rd rounder. What was your opinion on that one? You seemed to be in Brunell's corner even though his skills were in decline. I think Brunell was around the same age as McNabb is when he was traded here.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;683528]This is how I see the oline right now
LT Draft Pick
LG Dockery
C Rabach
RG M. Williams
RT A. Hicks

not a bad line especially if we find a way to trade back into the 3rd and get Matt Tenant.[/quote]

it could still be a bad line. we don't know how the draft pick is going to perform. also williams is just too slow and can't pass protect. rabach isn't very good and i don't know anything about hicks.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;683528]This is how I see the oline right now
LT Draft Pick
LG Dockery
C Rabach
RG M. Williams
RT A. Hicks

not a bad line especially if we find a way to trade back into the 3rd and get Matt Tenant.[/quote]

I thought they are projecting Hicks to be at RG?

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^ They haven't stated what position Hicks will play. He plays both positions.

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[quote=53Fan;683510]I think this addresses GTripps point about McNabbs decline pretty well.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=5057099"]NFL: The Philadelphia Eagles decided the time was right to trade Donovan McNabb - ESPN[/URL][/quote]Not really, the article addresses the business issues. The only things about McNabb's performance were the games against Dallas, his completion % (which I already showed was above career avg.), and passing yds (not surprising as McNabb missed two games). If you add 500 yds to his passing yd total for the year he winds up at 10th. Let's look at some other 2009 McNabb stats:

- TD % = 9th
- INT % = 8th
- QB rate = 12th
- Yds / Att = 7th
- Adjusted Net Yds / per ATT = 10th
- Yds / Game = 10th

This whole decline thing is BS, this was a business move and long term strategy move by the Iggles. Not considering McNabb's leadership and mobility which make him more valuable, we're getting a top 10 passing QB for a 2nd rounder and a mid-round pick in 2011. Good deal for the Skins.

I don't care what ridiculous geometric/triangulation/5th-week-of-the- season-away-on-astroturf metrics Football Outsiders or GTripp throws out here. McNabb led his team to the playoffs the last two years and was 11-5 last year. The Eagles lost to New Orleans (SB Champ), Chargers (AFC Championship game), and Dallas (playoff team who Eagles don't match up well against) and the Raiders (????) and were 5th in scoring with McNabb at QB.

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[quote=firstdown;683527]Thats fine but if someone think that Reid did this for McNabb then I have a nice bridge for sale.[/quote]

Yeah, I mean personally I think that he wanted McNabb to go to somewhere good for him, but obviously Reid's choice wouldn't have been Washington. Reid may know he's on thin ice and soon to be out of the division too.

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So that means we will have one player we know can play solid. Dockery. Two not good players. Rabach and Williams, and two unknowns. Hicks and draftee. I would say that's not that promising. I am really hoping we trade down and pick up two OL in the first round if possible or at worst first and early second depending on what kind of a deal we get for trading out of #4

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[quote=tryfuhl;683559]Yeah, I mean personally I think that he wanted McNabb to go to somewhere good for him, but obviously Reid's choice wouldn't have been Washington. Reid may know he's on thin ice and soon to be out of the division too.[/quote]

Reid wanted McNabb to stay in Philly, now his career is on Kevin Kolb's shoulder. And I doubt they'll have the same success he's had with McNabb in the past two seasons.

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I believe the article 53Fan linked to also says the trade makes the Redskins instantly better

Also,

-Philly receivers dropped 26 passes last year (7th most in the NFL)
-McNabb 8 TDs, 3 INTs passes of 21+ yards last year (5th in NFL)
-McNabb: 63 completions 30+yards last three years (3rd in NFL)
-McNabb: 17 completions 40+yards last year (T-1st in NFL)

As long as we're just spitting out stats

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I think that Thomas can do for us at least what Maclin did for the Eagles last year but I'd take Jackson numbers as well. And yeah there were quite a few drops from what I can remember, particularly over the middle if I recall but man I have a hard enough time remembering plays from a game that I just watched.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;683556]Not really, the article addresses the business issues. The only things about McNabb's performance were the games against Dallas, his completion % (which I already showed was above career avg.), and passing yds (not surprising as McNabb missed two games). If you add 500 yds to his passing yd total for the year he winds up at 10th. Let's look at some other 2009 McNabb stats:

- TD % = 9th
- INT % = 8th
- QB rate = 12th
- Yds / Att = 7th
- Adjusted Net Yds / per ATT = 10th
- Yds / Game = 10th

This whole decline thing is BS, this was a business move and long term strategy move by the Iggles. Not considering McNabb's leadership and mobility which make him more valuable, we're getting a top 10 passing QB for a 2nd rounder and a mid-round pick in 2011. Good deal for the Skins.

I don't care what ridiculous geometric/triangulation/5th-week-of-the- season-away-on-astroturf metrics Football Outsiders or GTripp throws out here. McNabb led his team to the playoffs the last two years and was 11-5 last year. The Eagles lost to New Orleans (SB Champ), Chargers (AFC Championship game), and Dallas (playoff team who Eagles don't match up well against) and the Raiders (????) and were 5th in scoring with McNabb at QB.[/quote]

Not sure if you watched the video or not Sammy.


W-L-T as starter
2000-04 - 54-19
2005-00 - 36-26

Games missed
2000-04 - 7
2005-00 - 17

Playoff W-L
2000-04 - 7-5
2005-00 - 2-2

Pro Bowls
2000-04 - 5
2005-00 - 1

If the Eagles did not think he was on the decline and had 4-5 years left they simply would extend his contract as he asked for and trade Kolb. In the same situation this year would the Colts trade Manning if they had Kolb? I don't think so. The last couple of years McNabb has been inconsistent and they know it.

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Ok, so about T+20 hours. I still don't like it, but reports are that the Skins/McNabb are working to get an extension. Campbell should be traded for an "acceptable" pick. So, without switching to a "Yes" I will say if the following things occur, I will feel MUCH better:

A) DM signs a 4-5 year deal for "reasonable" money, 4-5 is simply so we aren't playing around with him anymore. Should be set in a way that after year 3 he is easily cuttable.

B) JC is traded for at least a 3rd in this year's draft.

C) We win a SB

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;683584]Ok, so about T+20 hours. I still don't like it, but reports are that the Skins/McNabb are working to get an extension. Campbell should be traded for an "acceptable" pick. So, without switching to a "Yes" I will say if the following things occur, I will feel MUCH better:

A) DM signs a 4-5 year deal for "reasonable" money, 4-5 is simply so we aren't playing around with him anymore. Should be set in a way that after year 3 he is easily cuttable.

B) JC is traded for at least a 3rd in this year's draft.

[B]C) We win a SB[/B][/quote]

Your'e not asking for much, huh? LOL.

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Good Read..

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12700/tap-the-brakes-on-skins-playoff-talk]Tap the brakes on Redskins playoff talk - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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Decline or not, Donovan McNabb is the best quarterback the Redskins have had in decades.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;683590]Good Read..

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12700/tap-the-brakes-on-skins-playoff-talk]Tap the brakes on Redskins playoff talk - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

not a good read... mosely is a known Cowboy fan.

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[quote=SkinzWin;683563]So that means we will have one player we know can play solid. Dockery. Two not good players. Rabach and Williams, and two unknowns. Hicks and draftee. I would say that's not that promising. I am really hoping we trade down and pick up two OL in the first round if possible or at worst first and early second depending on what kind of a deal we get for trading out of #4[/quote]

we'll never get two first round picks from a team -_-

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;683584]Ok, so about T+20 hours. I still don't like it, but reports are that the Skins/McNabb are working to get an extension. Campbell should be traded for an "acceptable" pick. So, without switching to a "Yes" I will say if the following things occur, I will feel MUCH better:

A) DM signs a 4-5 year deal for "reasonable" money, 4-5 is simply so we aren't playing around with him anymore. Should be set in a way that after year 3 he is easily cuttable.

B) JC is traded for at least a 3rd in this year's draft.

C) [B]We win a SB[/B][/quote]

i would hope that would make you feel better :laughing-

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[quote=Audi;683595]Decline or not, Donovan McNabb is the best quarterback the Redskins have had in decades.[/quote]

Agreed, But i still wont believe this happened until i see McNabb under Center in the B&G.

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[quote=53Fan;683581]Not sure if you watched the video or not Sammy.


W-L-T as starter
2000-04 - 54-19
2005-00 - 36-26

Games missed
2000-04 - 7
2005-00 - 17

Playoff W-L
2000-04 - 7-5
2005-00 - 2-2

Pro Bowls
2000-04 - 5
2005-00 - 1

If the Eagles did not think he was on the decline and had 4-5 years left they simply would extend his contract as he asked for and trade Kolb. In the same situation this year would the Colts trade Manning if they had Kolb? I don't think so. The last couple of years McNabb has been inconsistent and they know it.[/quote]Is McNabb the 2004 version, absolutely not. Is he still a top 10 QB, absolutely. The article mentioned the Eagles are in a youth movement, Kolb is young. McNabb's numbers are strong and he's a major upgrade from Campbell. There is no statistical indication McNabb's peerformance will decline in the near term (2-3 years).

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The only sad part is Chris Samuels had to retire.

I know he and the rest of the team caught a lot of blame for Jason Campbell's own shortcomings. How many times do we have to hear Santana Moss and Chris Cooley and Chris Samuels and Clinton Portis suck, the defense sucks because it's not like the Steelers or Ravens, and so on when we lose games 16-13.

Moss and Cooley will be able to prove they don't suck... Portis might if he isn't too broken down already...

Chris Samuels doesn't even get the chance.

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Im tired of people telling us to draft linemen

this is the NFL you don't want a rookie guard not just that the skins have been signing linemen williams is a guard!

McNabb is gonna do great and we didn't need to tell Jason about the transaction what has he really given to the franchise?

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Still cannot believe McNabb is a Skin. This is blowing my mind ever so slightly.

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Finally, I can look forward to Madden 2011.