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[quote=Beemnseven;688989]Anybody know how Anthony Montgomery and Kedric Golston fit in? I remember reading that Montgomery was actually on the bubble last time around.[/quote]

Montgomery has been up and down. I remember one year (I think it was 07) that he flat out beat Golston going into the season. All accounts say he has big time talent, if he worked like Golston we wouldn't have had to sign Godzilla last year.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;689572]In Saint country the rumors are running wild about a trade for AH involving OT Brown and a 4th with another pick next yr. Anyone else hear anything on this??[/quote]
earlier in the month there was speculation of this happening, but I don't remember if those were the picks

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;689572]In Saint country the rumors are running wild about a trade for AH involving OT Brown and a 4th with another pick next yr. Anyone else hear anything on this??[/quote]

I didn't hear anything about it, but I would take that trade. A stud LT with a 4th this year, and a conditional pick next year. That works for me.

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[quote=tryfuhl;688963]it's not just about AH

it's about our DEs, LBs, lack of NT, etc[/quote]


I have been saying this for a little while now. LBs are the lifeblood of a 3-4 and I think we are extremely deficient there. Now Rocky is out the door? Who the hell is covering a tight end for us at the LB spot? Orakpo can do it well enough but that is wasting his talent.

We need A. Thomas and probably a couple more quality LBs if we really think we can run the 3-4 and be as good as our 4-3 was last year.

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That would help both teams. I could imagine Brown and Okung :) on the Oline for the Skins.
Could you imagine the Saints D Line? Wow, AH,Ellis,Smith and Brown. Im sure Coach Williams is stomping on someones desk for this to happen if it is in the works.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;689579]That would help both teams. I could imagine Brown and Okung :) on the Oline for the Skins.
Could you imagine the Saints D Line? Wow, AH,Ellis,Smith and Brown. Im sure Coach Williams is stomping on someones desk for this to happen if it is in the works.[/quote]

Given that this trade went down, I would be hoping that Detroit takes Okung, and we could luck out and grab Suh. Replacing Haynesworth would be a priority in my mind. We could use that 4th to grab a RT.

Yea, the Saints D would be sick with AH and Greg Williams. At least they aint in our division.

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[quote=jdc65;689576]I didn't hear anything about it, but I would take that trade. A stud LT with a 4th this year, and a conditional pick next year. That works for me.[/quote]

I know they say the draft is deep this year. But are you really going to get a stud LT with a 4th round pick???

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[quote=jdc65;689576]I didn't hear anything about it, but I would take that trade. A stud LT with a 4th this year, and a conditional pick next year. That works for me.[/quote]

haha, lets hold our horses...the odds of picking up a 'stud' LT with a 4th are slim at best

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-haynesworthdebacle041610]Haynesworth deal doomed from the start - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

interesting read

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[quote=Mattyk;689620][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-haynesworthdebacle041610]Haynesworth deal doomed from the start - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

interesting read[/quote]

I remember when the Skins signed him last year how the majority of fans were so excited, what a difference a year makes.

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There's part of me that believes that until Dan Snyder sells this franchise, this team will not reach the levels of success as it had in the late 80's early 90's. I don't understand how he doesn't realize that giving massive sums of money has literally a 0% success rate...we can't name one guy who has panned out in the long run. Arrington, Archuleta, Randle El, Trotter, and now Haynesworth, the subpar performance of Snyder backed front offices is astounding.

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[quote]Given that this trade went down, I would be hoping that Detroit takes Okung, and we could luck out and grab Suh. Replacing Haynesworth would be a priority in my mind. We could use that 4th to grab a RT.[/quote]

Suh is a 4-3 DT. He won't be a 3-4 teams pick. I hope we don't trade Haynesworth, especially for the type of compensation I'm hearing. a 2nd and maybe a 3rd? Yeah right.

In addition. I don't feel comfortable giving up one of the most dominant DTs for an unknown by NFL standards.

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[quote=SkinzWin;689592]I know they say the draft is deep this year. But are you really going to get a stud LT with a 4th round pick???[/quote]

I believe the stud LT was Brown from the Saints, not someone who we get with the 4th round pick.

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[quote=Mattyk;689620][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-haynesworthdebacle041610]Haynesworth deal doomed from the start - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

interesting read[/quote]

Interesting yes...but this article and the initial La Canfora article are both silly. Better said they are full of shit.
These are supposedly opposing GM's talking about a player that is available in the trade market. Of course they are going to deadpan Haynesworth and ridicule the the Redskins and the whole process that landed Haynesworth in DC. Yes Snyder did over pay and upset the payscale market for DT's, but that is in the past and the only newsworthy thing.
It seems some of the so-called GM quotes and authors of the articles are trying to upset the Redskins FO to dump Haynesworth for chump change.
We already knew[B] weeks ago[/B] the Haynesworth was going to work out on his own and not attend any non-mandatory events. La Canfora mentions it like it is a late breaking big news and why we would trade him.
La Canfora at times can be drama queen trying to sell himself. The title says it all "Haynesworth avoiding Redskins' voluntary minicamp; trade [B][U]possible [/U][/B]
If we trade him it is because of a good offer not because he is molesting 20 year olds in the bathroom.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;689632]There's part of me that believes that until Dan Snyder sells this franchise, this team will not reach the levels of success as it had in the late 80's early 90's. I don't understand how he doesn't realize that giving massive sums of money has literally a 0% success rate...we can't name one guy who has panned out in the long run. Arrington, Archuleta, Randle El, Trotter, and now Haynesworth, the subpar performance of Snyder backed front offices is astounding.[/quote]

Couldn't have seen Trotter's injuries coming. Agree on Archuleta. Too soon to just write off Haynesworth. Convenient to leave out signings that were key to our playoff runs like Springs, Washington, and Griffin.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;689632]There's part of me that believes that until Dan Snyder sells this franchise, this team will not reach the levels of success as it had in the late 80's early 90's. I don't understand how he doesn't realize that giving massive sums of money has literally a 0% success rate...we can't name one guy who has panned out in the long run. [B]Arrington[/B], Archuleta, Randle El, Trotter, and now Haynesworth, the subpar performance of Snyder backed front offices is astounding.[/quote]

Arrington was the 2nd pick in the draft you have to spend alot of money, check the history for 2nd picks in the draft. We should of been playing a 3-4 when he was around and used him like lt of the ny midgets.

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[quote=SmootSmack;689710]Couldn't have seen Trotter's injuries coming. Agree on Archuleta. Too soon to just write off Haynesworth. Convenient to leave out signings that were key to our playoff runs like Springs, Washington, and Griffin.[/quote]

Yeah we've definitely had plenty of guys that did work out, just the mistakes were big ones so they stick out more. Randy Thomas and Fletcher were a couple of other notables that were good pickups too.

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[quote=Defensewins;689640]Interesting yes...but this article and the initial La Canfora article are both silly. Better said they are full of shit.
These are supposedly opposing GM's talking about a player that is available in the trade market. Of course they are going to deadpan Haynesworth and ridicule the the Redskins and the whole process that landed Haynesworth in DC. Yes Snyder did over pay and upset the payscale market for DT's, but that is in the past and the only newsworthy thing.
It seems some of the so-called GM quotes and authors of the articles are trying to upset the Redskins FO to dump Haynesworth for chump change.
We already knew[B] weeks ago[/B] the Haynesworth was going to work out on his own and not attend any non-mandatory events. La Canfora mentions it like it is a late breaking big news and why we would trade him.
La Canfora at times can be drama queen trying to sell himself. The title says it all "Haynesworth avoiding Redskins' voluntary minicamp; trade [B][U]possible [/U][/B]
If we trade him it is because of a good offer not because he is molesting 20 year olds in the bathroom.[/quote]

To me the article boils down to the fact we gave a boatload of guaranteed money to a guy with questionable attitude and motivation issues. Also think of it this way... if Allen and Shanahan were in charge last year, no way we make that move.

Has the media blown up the story? Of course. But there's plenty of fire behind all this smoke too.

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I think everyone knew the risks of giving AH all that money last year. People wanted to keep focusing on alleged anger management issues because of the Gurode incident, but really the problem was how committed was Haynesworth really.

Some think the Redskins were ignorant to it, I don't think they were at all. I think they fully knew the risks but they, perhaps naively, believed things would be different now and it wouldn't be an issue.

And I'm not convinced that him skipping a voluntary mini-camp is indicative of major problems down the road.

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[quote=SmootSmack;689716]I think everyone knew the risks of giving AH all that money last year. People wanted to keep focusing on alleged anger management issues because of the Gurode incident, but really the problem was how committed was Haynesworth really.

Some think the Redskins were ignorant to it, I don't think they were at all. I think they fully knew the risks but they, perhaps naively, believed things would be different now and it wouldn't be an issue.

And I'm not convinced that him skipping a voluntary mini-camp is indicative of major problems down the road.[/quote]

When the mandatory portion of training begins and Albert does not show up in shape and ready to play, that will be cause for real concern.

I think by Shanahan reluctantly dealing with him doing his own thing, he's expecting him to make good on his promise to show up in better shape than he did last year. Perhaps the decision has been made that it makes business sense to keep Haynesworth on the roster. Media reports (as well as fans) have been driving his trade, spoken more from an emotional standpoint than a business one. I can't think of a single reason why it would not benifit the Redskins to have Albert Haynesworth on the team.

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[quote=Longtimefan;689720]When the mandatory portion of training begins and Albert does not show up in shape and ready to play, that will be cause for real concern.

I think by Shanahan reluctantly dealing with him doing his own thing, he's expecting him to make good on his promise to show up in better shape than he did last year. Perhaps the decision has been made that it makes business sense to keep Haynesworth on the roster. Media reports (as well as fans) have been driving his trade, spoken more from an emotional standpoint than a business one. I can't think of a single reason why it would not benifit the Redskins to have Albert Haynesworth on the team.[/quote]

If we could get at least 2 2nd rounders for AH, that is enough to want me to trade him. I would dangle him in front of the Lions FO. Just think about it. They acquire AH, then draft Suh!!! The Lions would eat up the NFC North almost automatically. If the FO really wanted to get rid of AH, I would try to seduce the guys in my hometown of Allen Park into taking AH. Also, by doing this you assure us of getting Okung.

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If Detroit gets AH, it's a lock that they take Okung and we lose him.

Bad deal for us unless we can swap the #2 and #4 picks in the deal.

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If Detroit takes Okung, it could be possibe a trade is brewing. I do not think they would trade 2-2nd rounders, but a 2nd this year along with a conditional pick next year. I would be ok if we got Suh and Saffold along with a 3rd next year. Saffold/Suh are both plug-n-play, and now is a good time to accumulate picks for next year.

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[quote=Buster;689917]If Detroit gets AH, it's a lock that they take Okung and we lose him.

Bad deal for us unless we can swap the #2 and #4 picks in the deal.[/quote]

not really. trent williams is a better fit for us. i'm actually hoping Detroit takes Okung as they'd be taking a player we dont need, and, at the same time, increasing the likelyhood that were able to trade down.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;689958]not really. trent williams is a better fit for us. i'm actually hoping Detroit takes Okung as they'd be taking a player we dont need, and, at the same time, increasing the likelyhood that were able to trade down.[/quote]

I'm pretty surprised more boards don't have us taking Trent Williams over Okung, arguably the most versatile and maybe the best OT in the draft.

I have a feeling because Okung has been so built as the best tackle and a foregone pick for the Redskins, many will fly of the hinges if don't draft him.

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[quote=12thMan;689963]I'm pretty surprised more boards don't have us taking Trent Williams over Okung, arguably the most versatile and maybe the best OT in the draft.

I have a feeling because Okung has been so built as the best tackle and a foregone pick for the Redskins, many will fly of the hinges if don't draft him.[/quote]

I will if it's Clausen or somehow Bradford.

If we take a player that we really need for the position, I'll trust Bruce Allen and Shanny, as long as we can address OT somehow.

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[quote=12thMan;689963]I'm pretty surprised more boards don't have us taking Trent Williams over Okung, arguably the most versatile and maybe the best OT in the draft.

I have a feeling because Okung has been so built as the best tackle and a foregone pick for the Redskins, many will fly of the hinges if don't draft him.[/quote]

I see our 4th pick as an opportunity to really improve the team. I'll be disappointed in the short term if we take a QB. Slightly less so if we just take a OT. I'd much rather everything work out perfectly for us and we can trade back a few spots...pick up a 2nd or 3rd and still take a OT.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;689958]not really. trent williams is a better fit for us. i'm actually hoping Detroit takes Okung as they'd be taking a player we dont need, and, at the same time, increasing the likelyhood that were able to trade down.[/quote]

Trent Williams looks very good on film and in terms of combine numbers but in watching Okung you will see a guy who is flat out dominant in pass protection with numerous highlights of him literally throwing guys on running plays. That pass protection element is important as it will force the Cowboys to need someone else besides Ware to step up when they play us. Also don't forget about Osi and Cole.

Okung kept defenders about 3 or 4 yards away from the QB while Williams would stop guys but they'd be about 1 or 2 yards away from the QB. Again if you're a player you're happy with the 1 or 2 yard separation but in a toss up it's no doubt that Okung is the better player.

And finally during the great QB vs O-Line debates I never saw someone randomly type WILLIAMSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! rather it was always some guy randomly showing up typing nothing but "OKUNGGGGGGGG!!!!!!"

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[quote=FRPLG;689967]I see our 4th pick as an opportunity to really improve the team. I'll be disappointed in the short term if we take a QB. Slightly less so if we just take a OT. I'd much rather everything work out perfectly for us and we can trade back a few spots...pick up a 2nd or 3rd and still take a OT.[/quote]

That would be ideal. we need both LT and RT. At 4, no one we would take would really satisfy me. Okung is not the best fit for our zoneblocking offense. Trent Williams has tremendous potential, but really isnt worth the 4th overall pick as he's also somewhat of a gamble. ideally, we can trade back a bit and pick up some more picks.

If we trade back and remain in the top 10-12 in the draft, we can probably come out with a left tackle. if we trade back any further, we're proably going to get a right tackle - but accumulate more picks in the draft. At this point, i favor the later option.

I'd be very happy if we traded down to the lower part of the 1st round, picked up a 2nd rounder this year and next, drafted Mike Iupati to play RT (potential to play LT down the road) and then picked up Flozell Adams after the draft. The guy can still play at a high level and would be fine for a year or two. Or, we could use one of our newly acquired 2nd rounders and trade for Jamaal Brown.

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I've said pretty consistently I believe since February that I think Williams is the guy we're really targeting. Not based on anything other than he seems to fit so much with what Shanahan looks for (versatile, athletic, greater upside, even the fact that he's a bit of a risk I think appeals to Shanny).

I think ideally though they get Williams later in the draft, not at 4. I think if we're stuck at 4 and if it's Williams vs. Okung at #4 they should go with Okung. He's the surer (more sure?) thing. And at #4 I want the sure thing. Williams has tremendous upside, but that also means he has huge bust potential.

But if we can trade down and pick up Williams plus another player, I'll take that over Okung at 4. I don't think Okung is head and shoulders above the rest of the OLs in this draft class.

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I personally don't think [B]Trent Williams[/B] is a good pick in the top 10. He was a solid RT for 3 years, but could not supplant [B]Phil Loadholt [/B]as LT. Loadholt was a far superior LT then Williams was, and Loadholt can't play LT for the Vikings. They had to move him to RT where he is much stronger. Williams also has mental lapses, and his commitment has been called to question. He whiffed on the sack that put [B]Bradford[/B] on the shelf, and his game tapes this year were mediocre according to most scouts. He looks like he will be a much better RT in the league, and he is one of those guys that a big contract might be worrisome.

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Williams is the riskier pick, bigger upside perhaps, but Okung is ready to step in and play right now. I really think he could be Samuels part II.

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[quote=Mattyk;689982]Williams is the riskier pick, bigger upside perhaps, but Okung is ready to step in and play right now. I really think he could be Samuels part II.[/quote]

With Samuels serving as the Redskins "draft runner" this year he may actually get to, in a way, officially pass the torch if Okung's name is called (or any OT's for that matter)

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Samuels to Okung works for me, from one perennial pro-bowler to another(hopefully).

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Does anyone really doubt that Flozell Adams will be on the team a week from now?

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I think the reason they haven't already signed Adams is because they know that they will draft Tackles this year. If they sign 2 good tackles, they won't need to sign Adams.

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^ They were going to sign Flozell. But then Flozell tripped Bruce Allen in the Redskins Park hallway and Allen got too mad to sign him.

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[quote=lotus;690051]^ they were going to sign flozell. But then flozell tripped bruce allen in the redskins park hallway and allen got too mad to sign him.[/quote]

rotf lmao

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[quote=SmootSmack;690004]With Samuels serving as the Redskins "draft runner" this year he may actually get to, in a way, officially pass the torch if Okung's name is called (or any OT's for that matter)[/quote]
Samuels as the draft runner is a smokescreen making people believe that we picked him because we're targeting a lineman and it will be a passing of the torch. This will allow us to surprise all when we take Clausen at 4, lock it up, championship!

In no way, shape or form does the opinion in this post represent the opinions of the posting author or any associate of thewarpath.net

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[QUOTE=tryfuhl;690117]Samuels as the draft runner is a smokescreen making people believe that we picked him because we're targeting a lineman and it will be a passing of the torch. This will allow us to surprise all when we take Clausen at 4, lock it up, championship!

[B]In no way, shape or form does the opinion in this post represent the opinions of the posting author or any associate of thewarpath.net[/[/B]QUOTE]

You silly. LOL