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[quote=SmootSmack;892952]I see. I think right now I'll handicap it

1. Cardinals
2. Redskins
3. Jets
4. Dolphins
5. Seahawks
6. Chiefs[/quote]

1. Cardinals (Most likely:Indoor stadium, warm weather good for getting loose, L. Fitz, has a history of bringing in vet QB's like K. Warner, went 8-8 last year with pathetic QB play)
2. Dolphins (Likely: Owner wants a big name, has a good defense/WR's in place)
3. Seahawks (Maybe likely: Rumored to be willing to put a big package together)
4. Redskins (Possible: Maybe interested but still has equal interest in drafting RG3)
5. Chiefs (Less likely:Has a need at QB and some pieces to put around Manning)
6. Jets (Unlikely:Tough salary cap number, would overshadow 'lil bro, would have to cut Sanchez to sign Manning)

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[quote=Mattyk;892963]No, he's different because he's being released of his contract. The other free agents don't have their contracts officially expire until next week.[/quote]

Ok that makes sense, thank you.

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[quote=los panda;892922]but he looked good in television commercials[/quote]

cut that meat! Cut that meat!

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If we sign Manning I'll withhold judgement and feelings until after free agency and the draft. If we make the move to bring in PM and a Tannehill or Cousins then I think it's a solid football move. If we don't draft a QB of the future in the top 2 rounds then it's a dumb short sighted only move.

I'm still of the belief that he ends up in AZ or Miami and we make the move for RGIII.

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I think the primary plan is still to move up for RGIII, but the pressure is definitely on to make that deal happen soon. If they can't get it done PM is the fallback option.

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[quote=Paintrain;892967]cut that meat! Cut that meat![/quote]

Jerry! Jerry! You're my favorite Insurance Adjuster!

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1. At 4pm, sign Peyton Manning.
2. Trade for the #2 Pick and draft RGIII and let him learn from a master (he said he would be willing to sit behind Manning - of course he was talking about in Indy)
3. Use free agency to load up on help for Peyton. We have plenty of cap space.

We make a short term push with Peyton, and set up our future with RGIII. I think that, year one with Peyton, we win the NFC East.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;892919]
well same thing with signing manning

positives
+ he's one of the greatest QB's of all time
+ he's better than what we have now at QB

negatives
- he could be hit right in the neck and never play a down of football again or even be paralyzed.
- hes been in one offense his whole life
- hes had some great skill players around him in Indy
- he isn't mobile getting out of the pocket/he doesn't fit the mike shanahan zone blocking bootleg offense
- he is at the end of his career
- he wants $$$ and he knows we pay.
- we are out of the draft for a potential franchise QB like RG3

Guys it will be a blessing in disguise when Peyton doesn't sign here, trust me.[/quote]

First of all, your first negative is not a valid point. On more than one occasion, a doctor has already came out to say that Peyton Manning has no more of a chance in getting a career ending injury as any of the other players on the field. The only issue was him getting his throwing strength back, and obviously that is coming back rather quickly.

Secondly, any team that picks Manning up is going to obviously have to tweak their offense to what Peyton Manning was doing in Indy. The Redskins offense is more of a vertical offense than what people think it is. Which brings me to my next point. How mobile was Rex Grossman? Not very. And he was able to run the offense (despite his charitable style of playing.) I don't put that much emphasis on being a mobile QB, but a quarterback than can scramble while still looking to complete a pass down field. Peyton can still do the latter, he doesn't have to be a Mike Vick. Next, I do seem to remember an article (and don't ask me where it is at this point) where it sounded as if Manning would be willing to work for an incentive based contract. We even had a decision about the pros and cons to that here a few months ago. Lastly, the Redskins or any other team SHOULD draft a developmental QB in waiting. So, even if that team only got two good seasons out of Manning, they would have a quarterback to step in and lead the team.

It really all comes down to how much it would cost to bring Manning in. If the emphasis is on an incentive based contract that works in the favor of both the team and the player, and the Redskins are still able to draft a Tannehill or Cousins (Cousins is probably more likely in this scenario) then I believe it costs us less. Certainly the Redskins would be able to keep their draft picks and continue building a solid team since they would have the luxury of an instant franchise QB. This is MUCH different from McNabb. McNabb was washed up by the time the 'skins picked him up. Manning does still have a few very good years left.

In my opinion, however, I think this might just be a ploy to show the Rams that the Redskins have options and will not settle on giving up such a high price for RGIII. I believe in the end, the Redskins still move up to draft RGIII, but don't give up as much to do so.

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[quote=SkinzWin;892964]1. Cardinals (Most likely:Indoor stadium, warm weather good for getting loose, L. Fitz, has a history of bringing in vet QB's like K. Warner, went 8-8 last year with pathetic QB play)
2. Dolphins (Likely: Owner wants a big name, has a good defense/WR's in place)
3. Seahawks (Maybe likely: Rumored to be willing to put a big package together)
4. Redskins (Possible: Maybe interested but still has equal interest in drafting RG3)
5. Chiefs (Less likely:Has a need at QB and some pieces to put around Manning)
6. Jets (Unlikely:Tough salary cap number, would overshadow 'lil bro, would have to cut Sanchez to sign Manning)[/quote]

Interesting note by Rich Cimini that the Jets could save $9 million by cutting Sanchez this offseason (before March 28 I believe).

Anyhow, suppose he went to one of those other teams and suddenly Orton, Kolb, or Sanchez are on the market....who do you want?

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[quote=SmootSmack;892987]Interesting note by Rich Cimini that the Jets could save $9 million by cutting Sanchez this offseason (before March 28 I believe).

[B]Anyhow, suppose he went to one of those other teams and suddenly Orton, Kolb, or Sanchez are on the market....who do you want[/B]?[/quote]

none...that list is disgusting

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[quote=SmootSmack;892987]Interesting note by Rich Cimini that the Jets could save $9 million by cutting Sanchez this offseason (before March 28 I believe).

Anyhow, suppose he went to one of those other teams and suddenly Orton, Kolb, or Sanchez are on the market....who do you want?[/quote]

Orton is serviceable as a short term starter or backup.

I think it's still way too early to toss in the towel on Kolb, I bet he would attract some attention if he hit the market.

Sanchez I'd want no part of.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;892759]At first I asked why he would want to go to Arizona but after seeing that they finished with an 8-8 record with Kolb and Skelator as their QB's well safe to say the pitch writes itself. Then again every year is different.[/quote]

Well Peyton could also be thinking Colts in the playoffs with me and 2/14 without. I can go to any team and win.

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No one wants Orton, Kolb, or Sanchez. It seems to me that our answer at QB HAS TO BE Manning, RGIII, Luck (if Colts were to take RGIII), or Tannehill. And actually, as I write this, I don't think Tannehill is an acceptable result.

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[quote=SmootSmack;892987]Interesting note by Rich Cimini that the Jets could save $9 million by cutting Sanchez this offseason (before March 28 I believe).

Anyhow, suppose he went to one of those other teams and suddenly Orton, Kolb, or Sanchez are on the market....who do you want?[/quote]

Orton...with either Griffin or Tannehill

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[quote=Mattyk;892989]Orton is serviceable as a short term starter or backup.

I think it's still way too early to toss in the towel on Kolb, I bet he would attract some attention if he hit the market.

Sanchez I'd want no part of.[/quote]

I'm tempted to flip the opinion of Sanchez and Kolb there

What if I throw in Schaub and Alex Smith?

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[quote=SmootSmack;892995]I'm tempted to flip the opinion of Sanchez and Kolb there[/quote]

I agree I think Sanchez good be a best a Flacco level QB. I have probaly only watched a handful of games of him though and at times he does seem painfully behind where he should be as far as development.

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[quote=SmootSmack;892995]I'm tempted to flip the opinion of Sanchez and Kolb there

What if I throw in Schaub and Alex Smith?[/quote]

No and No. Manning, RGIII, or Luck.

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Sanchez=Grossman

Smith=JC

Schaub= Brad Johnson

Kolb= I don't even know????


So No I don't want any of those guys.

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[quote=SmootSmack;892995]I'm tempted to flip the opinion of Sanchez and Kolb there

What if I throw in Schaub and Alex Smith?[/quote]

I would definatley take Schaub but according to Schefter's quote on rotoworld they wouldn't make a play for manning.

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[quote=SmootSmack;892995]I'm tempted to flip the opinion of Sanchez and Kolb there

[B]What if I throw in Schaub and Alex Smith[/B]?[/quote]

Well, Schaub quietly has having a great season season before he got injuried. Smith is between the first group you listed and Schaub...not a bad game manager. You could argue Schaub over Manning I think.

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I'm saying

Miami, Wsh, ARZ

Thats it

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[quote=SmootSmack;892995]I'm tempted to flip the opinion of Sanchez and Kolb there

What if I throw in Schaub and Alex Smith?[/quote]

Yes to Schaub.

M-m-m-m, OK, I guess so, if we have to do it for the short term to Orton.

No to the rest.

If the Skins sign one of these players, it should be because they couldn't land the #2 pick to take RGIII. And, like some others here, I would still want to see the Skins draft a QB of the future this year. I would like to have either Tannehill or Cousins in that role.

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Since we are throwing out names, what about Flacco? Can you imagine the Ravens with Manning?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;892999]Sanchez=Grossman

Smith=JC

Schaub= Brad Johnson

Kolb= I don't even know????


So No I don't want any of those guys.[/quote]


Brad Johnson = superbowl win....Brad Johnson = best redskins QB season in last 20 years

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/report-seahawks-willing-to-spend-big-for-peyton-manning/]Report: Seahawks willing to spend big for Peyton Manning | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Haven't we been down this dog and pony show before? Why do fans always fall for this short term fix? I don't even see why Manning would come here. His RT and best TE are one puff away from being done. No wr's. Shaky o-line. I just don't see him coming here.

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[quote=Chico23231;893006]Brad Johnson = superbowl win....Brad Johnson = best redskins QB season in last 20 years[/quote]

Odd that people are shooting down the idea of Schaub so easily. He knows this offense and is capable of putting up big numbers, and he's only 30.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;893007][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/report-seahawks-willing-to-spend-big-for-peyton-manning/]Report: Seahawks willing to spend big for Peyton Manning | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I think Seattle and/or Miami are going to offer him a ton of guaranteed loot. I don't see us staying in the bidding with them for long.

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[quote=skinsfan69;893008]Haven't we been down this dog and pony show before? Why do fans always fall for this short term fix? I don't even see why Manning would come here. His RT and best TE are one puff away from being done. No wr's. Shaky o-line. I just don't see him coming here.[/quote]

You mean his LT of course, but what if we sign Manning, Garcon, Royal, Grubbs, draft Blackmon in the 1st, Cousins in the 2nd...

I mean I wouldn't look at it just sign Manning and call it a day

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[quote=CultBrennan59;892919]Oh my God...get ready for my smack down people.


For those of you out there that think Peyton Manning coming here will (whether or not we get Wayne and Garcon) make us instant contenders in the east...WAKE THE F#$K UP!!!!

I am so enraged right now.

Have we not seen this before over the years?!?!?!?!?!

Its like we're all trying to find the great big name free agent to sign to make up for all or most of the bad big name free agent signings we've had in the past.

People then come up with "Oh thats the old management, this new management is different..." well this new management is still being judged, because this new management is also being viewed as the same management that decided to trade away a 2nd and another pick for Donovan McNabb, a guy who didn't even finish out the season with us.
People here always do the old "yeah ___ ____ may not work out, but ____ ____ is different..." No its not much different because we've seen this movie before in the past.

There are people on this board that truly believe that if we sign Peyton Manning (the greatest QB of all time IMO) we will be instant contenders if he stays healthy.

So apparently we decide to look at the positives and ignore the negatives, which, oh, by the way, got us in trouble with Albert Haynesworth a few years ago.

People are here saying "Oh Albert is soo good; he's the best DT today!; he'll make our whole team good; he's a pro bowler; With him and orakpo watch out we could go far with our DL, possibly like the giants"

But buried in all that was a few smart fans here saying things like "I don't know he only played good when it was his contract year; he never stayed healthy; he got into fights with coaches and teammates; he stomped on a guys head and has a lot of character issues; he's going to be another Dana Stublefield signing"...

well same thing with signing manning

positives
+ he's one of the greatest QB's of all time
+ he's better than what we have now at QB

negatives
- he could be hit right in the neck and never play a down of football again or even be paralyzed.
- hes been in one offense his whole life
- hes had some great skill players around him in Indy
- he isn't mobile getting out of the pocket/he doesn't fit the mike shanahan zone blocking bootleg offense
- he is at the end of his career
- he wants $$$ and he knows we pay.
- we are out of the draft for a potential franchise QB like RG3

Guys it will be a blessing in disguise when Peyton doesn't sign here, trust me.[/quote]

A smart redskins fan. Great teams are built through the draft.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;893009]Odd that people are shooting down the idea of Schaub so easily. He knows this offense and is capable of putting up big numbers, and he's only 30.[/QUOTE]

I worry about schuab because he's always hurt

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[quote=skinsfan69;893008]Haven't we been down this dog and pony show before? Why do fans always fall for this short term fix? I don't even see why Manning would come here. His RT and best TE are one puff away from being done. No wr's. Shaky o-line. I just don't see him coming here.[/quote]

OK, but the LT (you do mean TW right?) and TE are excellent players and if they have learned their lesson will be assets. I think if you take Gaffney, Hankerson, and Moss and add Wayne and Garcon it looks pretty damn good. O-line needs some help but that seems like something that could be addressed.

Plus, you can still play for the future by drafting a QB to learn behind Manning. I still think you go all out, trade picks for the ability to draft RGIII, sign Manning and free agents to improve now, and we are set for a long time.

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[quote=skinsfan69;893008]Haven't we been down this dog and pony show before? Why do fans always fall for this short term fix? I don't even see why Manning would come here. His RT and best TE are one puff away from being done. No wr's. Shaky o-line. I just don't see him coming here.[/quote]

Kind of a short sighted view don't you think, considering we have 8 draft picks and a ton of cap room to go along with Manning.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;893006]Brad Johnson = superbowl win....Brad Johnson = best redskins QB season in last 20 years[/QUOTE]

Him or brunell

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Man, even CNN is carrying the press conference live.

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[quote=SmootSmack;893012]You mean his LT of course, but what if we sign Manning, Garcon, Royal, Grubbs, draft Blackmon in the 1st, Cousins in the 2nd...

I mean I wouldn't look at it just sign Manning and call it a day[/quote]

This is what I am saying except why can't we sign all of those people (plus maybe Wayne or V-Jax) and still trade picks to pick RGIII to learn behind Manning (Rodgers style).

[QUOTE=Mattyk;893016]Kind of a short sighted view don't you think, considering we have 8 draft picks and a ton of cap room to go along with Manning.[/QUOTE]

Some people think we r signing Manning and that's it I guess

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[quote=skinsfaninok;893017]Him or brunell[/quote]

booooooooooooonell...man yall were lucky i wasnt on this board when he was QBing.

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What is this about Manning having great skill players around him all his life? Were Garcon, Collie, Gonzalez, Clark really that skilled or did Manning make them so?

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[quote=SmootSmack;893012]You mean his LT of course, but what if we sign Manning, Garcon, Royal, Grubbs, draft Blackmon in the 1st, Cousins in the 2nd...

I mean I wouldn't look at it just sign Manning and call it a day[/quote]

Now thats an offseason id love