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[quote=The Goat;933974]
But I don't get the love for Royster.[/quote]

I love seeing 5.9 YPC.

Check his game log last season. How can you not love that?

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Garçon is a huge upgrade over gaffney, younger and more potential. Also he had a better statistical year last year with a shitty QB. Idk why everyone here is so concerned with the money part of the organization, Bruce Allen can make things work and if there is a big time receiver out there next year I have no doubt we can sign him or any other player we want. I can't recall a time when there was a big time FA out there that we wanted that we couldn't get bc of our salary cap

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Garcon will be one of the top WRs in the NFC this season. He and RGIII will start connecting on those 60-yard bombs they were trying on Saturday. The timing will come. As we saw on the first TD against the Bills, Garcon is dangerous on screens too.

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[quote=Monkeydad;934171]Garcon will be one of the top WRs in the NFC this season. He and RGIII will start connecting on those 60-yard bombs they were trying on Saturday. The timing will come. As we saw on the first TD against the Bills, Garcon is dangerous on screens too.[/quote]

I agree. He should have an extremely strong season.

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I hope the coaches decide to keep Dezmon Briscoe. He's a definite red zone threat.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;934256]I hope the coaches decide to keep Dezmon Briscoe. He's a definite red zone threat.[/quote]

Apparently Barnes made the comment earlier that the DB pecking order came down to who plays special teams which may indicate they are looking to keep an extra DB who plays ST so they can keep Briscoe who doesn't.

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Briscoe's a lock.

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If Briscoe's a lock (which I think is a good thing), that seems to me to round out the WR position:
Garcon
Moss
Hankerson
Morgan
Briscoe

Leaving one spot for Robinson, Austin, Banks and Anderson to fight over. Gotta think they are leaning to Robinson.

That is, of course, unless the Pats cut Gaffney, in which case we sign him and ....
championship!!!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;934321]If Briscoe's a lock (which I think is a good thing), that seems to me to round out the WR position:
Garcon
Moss
Hankerson
Morgan
Briscoe

Leaving one spot for Robinson, Austin, Banks and Anderson to fight over. Gotta think they are leaning to Robinson.

That is, of course, unless the Pats cut Gaffney, in which case we sign him and ....
championship!!![/quote]

I just hope it's not Banks.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;934321]If Briscoe's a lock (which I think is a good thing), that seems to me to round out the WR position:
Garcon
Moss
Hankerson
Morgan
Briscoe

Leaving one spot for Robinson, Austin, Banks and Anderson to fight over. Gotta think they are leaning to Robinson.

That is, of course, unless the Pats cut Gaffney, in which case we sign him and ....
championship!!![/quote]

I think it's Robinson. Gotta say, if he does make the roster that will be a great turnaround from last season, where I was unimpressed by him in the preseason. All he did was muff two punts and not do anything as a wideout. Still, I haven't seen him fill in as a returner this preseason though, so we'll see if they think he's a suitable replacement for Banks. I love the playmaking potential Banks brings to the team as a returner, but he's too small to make it as a wideout in the NFL.

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Regardless, as a group, I am very happy with the improvement from last year. To me, in his limited appearances, Garcon has been all that was expected. In addition, he seems to have formed a connection with Griff which has the potential to be very good for both of them.

[For those concerned about Garcon's speed - he seems to play fast enough. He got behind the defense at least once and maybe twice in the Colt's game. Remember, Jerry Rice wasn't a big "measurables" guy, certainly no burner, and he seemed to do okay. On the other hand, D. Stallworth, who was all about speed, never amounted to much.]

I like the group (with Robinson in the 6th slot) a lot. I believe it will be a huge, huge improvement over last year's group.

[QUOTE=The Goat;934161]SmootSmack said Helu's injury status is bad enough he won't be able to contribute, but I can't imagine we'd cut him so I'm hoping IR. I think Hightower is likely to start because of his leadership. Morris should be next and then Royster but it sounds like the coaches think otherwise?[/QUOTE]

Morris is young snd healthy and ready to run. He must be filled with desire being as though he was passed over so many times and comes from a small school. I say give him the rock.

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[quote=punch it in;934362]Morris is young snd healthy and ready to run. He must be filled with desire being as though he was passed over so many times and comes from a small school. I say give him the rock.[/quote]

Agreed. My depth chart would be Morris, Hightower, Royster (assuming Helu goes to IR)

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[quote=JoeRedskin;934321]If Briscoe's a lock (which I think is a good thing), that seems to me to round out the WR position:
Garcon
Moss
Hankerson
Morgan
Briscoe

Leaving one spot for Robinson, Austin, Banks and Anderson to fight over. Gotta think they are leaning to Robinson.

That is, of course, unless the Pats cut Gaffney, in which case we sign him and ....
championship!!![/quote]


According to TK, Robinson is a lock. Then again, they were wrong about J. Brown being cut...lol

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[quote=JoeRedskin;934321]If Briscoe's a lock (which I think is a good thing), that seems to me to round out the WR position:
Garcon
Moss
Hankerson
Morgan
Briscoe

Leaving one spot for Robinson, Austin, Banks and Anderson to fight over. Gotta think they are leaning to Robinson.

[B]That is, of course, unless the Pats cut Gaffney, in which case we sign him and ....
championship!![/B]![/quote]

What kind of sorcerer are you, Joe? :Smoker:

[QUOTE=The Goat;934380]Agreed. My depth chart would be Morris, Hightower, Royster (assuming Helu goes to IR)[/QUOTE]

Yup. Hightower has almost two more weeks to get strong.

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Here's WaPo's predictions with Banks beating out Austin, Armstrong and Robinson:


[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/lets-take-a-crack-at-the-final-53-redskins/2012/08/28/0b3ac0a4-f0c2-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_blog.html?wprss=rss_football-insider"]Let’s take a crack at the final 53 Redskins - The Insider - The Washington Post[/URL]

[QUOTE]
Quarterback (3) -- Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins. I know Mike Shanahan has gone with just two quarterbacks in the past, and it’s an easy place to get back a roster spot when you don’t want to make a tough decision at another spot, but Rex is too valuable to let walk. You might not want to ride with him for a full season, but he knows the system and can win you a few games in a pinch.

Running back (4) -- Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Roy Helu Jr., Alfred Morris. The problem with Morris’s big game against the Colts is that he’s no longer far enough under the radar to hope to sneak through to the practice squad. He might even be competing for carries in Week 1 at this point. Seems unwise to go without a fullback in Darrel Young. The choice is between him and tight end Chris Cooley, who will take snaps at fullback.

Wide receiver (6) -- Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan, Leonard Hankerson, Santana Moss, Dezmon Briscoe, Brandon Banks. Tough decisions have to be made here. Some people might prefer Aldrick Robinson over Banks, who is still basically a return specialist and nothing more. But Robinson is eligible for another year on the practice squad. Armstrong wasn’t healthy enough and Austin didn’t show enough this preseason.

Tight end (4) -- Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, Niles Paul, Logan Paulsen. Four tight ends is a lot, but on this roster, Cooley is the only fullback. I could see Cooley being traded, but not outright cut, even with his salary and even with the other talented tight ends on the roster. In the end, it’s a choice between Cooley and Darrel Young, and I kept the more versatile player.

Offensive line (9) -- Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Tyler Polumbus, Maurice Hurt, Adam Gettis, Tom Compton, Willie Smith. Plenty of room to quibble here, as I let third-round pick Josh LeRebius go instead of the also-practice-squad-eligible tackles Smith and Compton. The Redskins might make a decision between those two instead, and in the end, may carry two or three O-linemen on the practice squad.

Defensive line (6) -- Adam Carriker, Kedrick Golston, Barry Cofield, Chris Baker, Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins. Chris Neild’s ACL injury left just Cofield and Baker as the nose tackles, and leave the D-line as one of the areas with little suspense.

Outside linebacker (4) -- Ryan Kerrigan, Chris Wilson, Brian Orakpo, Rob Jackson. Markus White is my last roster cut here.

Inside linebacker (4) -- London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson. Bryan Kehl might make the team -- he’s listed ahead of Robinson on the depth chart on the team website, for whatever that’s worth -- but the team invested a fourth-round pick in Robinson. Kehl had chances at interceptions in the first two preseason games, but couldn’t come up with them.

Cornerback (5) -- DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Brandyn Thompson, Richard Crawford. The Kevin Barnes trade signals that the Redskins like some of their younger corners. I wish I had some great insight on why they like Thompson and Crawford instead of Travon Bellamy and David Jones (who isn’t all that young), but I based it on the two who good things seem to be written about most often. Open to hearing better reasons.

Safety (5) -- Brandon Meriweather, Madieu Williams, Tanard Jackson, DeJon Gomes, Reed Doughty. Since I kept Banks, I keep an extra safety to fill a role on coverage units.

Specialists (3) -- Graham Gano, Sav Rocca, Nick Sundberg.[/QUOTE]

Some bad picks here. Cooley in with D. Young out. Banks over Robinson. Gano still on there (they wrote it this morning but never updated).

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[quote=Monkeydad;934774]Here's WaPo's predictions with Banks beating out Austin, Armstrong and Robinson:


[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/lets-take-a-crack-at-the-final-53-redskins/2012/08/28/0b3ac0a4-f0c2-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_blog.html?wprss=rss_football-insider"]Let’s take a crack at the final 53 Redskins - The Insider - The Washington Post[/URL]



Some bad picks here. Cooley in with D. Young out. Banks over Robinson. Gano still on there (they wrote it this morning but never updated).[/quote]

Yeah, I was thinking earlier that this may have been better timed on Thursday morning cause it's already dated, lol. One interesting note I saw on Twitter, 10 of our 11 starters on offense plus all key ST personnel (LS, P, K) will be Shanahan acquisitions. Think he wants his own players in place? As a matter of fact, only 1 offensive backup (Moss) is a holdover to previous regimes. On defense it's not as dramatic (7 remaining players-starters and backups) but an overhaul nonetheless. I've got a post planned for Friday about the difference between the '09 roster, '10 roster and the '12 roster to discuss how far we've come from the days of 'Snyderatto'

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So what's everyone's final 53? Who wants to go first now that we've finished the pre-season?

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[quote=FRPLG;935427]So what's everyone's final 53? Who wants to go first now that we've finished the pre-season?[/quote]


I'll defer to Smootsmack. He seems to have the inside scoop on all the cuts.

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I think Briscoe & Armstrong make it, leaving out Banks, Robinson, & the rest. Banks is just too erratic.

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[quote=Evilgrin;935441]I think Briscoe & Armstrong make it, leaving out Banks, Robinson, & the rest. Banks is just too erratic.[/quote]

I'm honestly pretty nervous for Briscoe. Not sure he makes it.

Even he didn't seem very confident he'd make it.

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[quote=scowan;935437]I'll defer to Smootsmack. He seems to have the inside scoop on all the cuts.[/quote]

I wish. But I'll try

QB: RG3, Grossman, Cousins (3)

RB: Hightower, Royster, Morris, Helu (stunned me and many others last night) (4)

WR: Garcon, Hankerson, Moss, Morgan, Briscoe, Robinson (Armstrong makes it difficult but Robinson is younger with more upside) (6)

FB: Darrel Young (1)

TE: Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Logan Paulsen (3)

OL: Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Maurice Hurt, Jordan Black, Someone not currently on the roster (9)

K: Billy Cundiff (1)

DL: Stephen Bowen, Barry Cofield, Adam Carriker, Chris Baker, Doug Worthington, Jarvis Jenkins, Someone not currently on the roster (7)

LB: Ryan Kerrigan, London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo, Perry Riley, Keenan Robinson, Chris Wilson, Bryan Kehl (7)

CB: Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, DeAngelo Hall, Richard Crawford, Brandyn Thompson, David Jones (7)

S: Tanard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes (4)

LS: Nick Sundberg (1)

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[quote=mbedner3420;935444]I'm honestly pretty nervous for Briscoe. Not sure he makes it.

Even he didn't seem very confident he'd make it.[/quote]

Few things would surprise me more than Briscoe not making it

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I think Kehl wins his spot over K Robinson. K Robinson to the PS

Banks over A. Robinson. A Robinson to the PS, AA and TA cut. Briscoe is a lock as mention.

Gomes over Reed and Berstine. Berstine to the PS, Reed cut

Helu, Royster and Alfmo make the RB. Hightower is a maybe.

Wilson and Jackson in. Markus White cut, but he will play elsewhere this season.

Willie Smth over Black, Compton is in. Gettis to PS. I seriously think a cut FA will come in soon and Smith will be back on the PS.

Both Brandon Thompson and Crawford make it at CB. I think cut cornerbacks will get a close look as well. Could cut C Griff and bring in another vet.

Other Practice Squad: Dorson Boyce, Delvin Johnson, Tristan Davis

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[quote=SmootSmack;935445]LB: Ryan Kerrigan, London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo, Perry Riley, Keenan Robinson, Chris Wilson, Bryan Kehl (7)[/quote]

you have them cutting jackson?

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Quite a few guys could be in trouble depending on cuts elsewhere, I definately could see C Griffin cut(why hes on roster is beyond me), really any of 2nd year + OL backups except Polumbus.

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[quote=imaskin4life;935448]you have them cutting jackson?[/quote]and Alexander.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;935450]and Alexander.[/quote]

I noticed that also, hmmm

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[quote=SmootSmack;935446]Few things would surprise me more than Briscoe not making it[/quote]

Despite the fact that he doesn't play teams? It seems like they intentionally held him out of ST all preseason. That can't be a good sign -- especially with Armstrong being a gunner and having a strong final game (albeit against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th teamers).

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Whoops. Should have Alexander in there. Drop the DL to be named later for Alexander

And yeah Jackson is my "shock cut" Not based on any inside info at all.

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[quote=mbedner3420;935452]Despite the fact that he doesn't play teams? It seems like they intentionally held him out of ST all preseason. That can't be a good sign -- especially with Armstrong being a gunner and having a strong final game (albeit against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th teamers).[/quote]

If Armstrong makes this team, it won't be at Briscoe's expense. In my opinion

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[quote=SmootSmack;935445]I wish. But I'll try

QB: RG3, Grossman, Cousins (3)

RB: Hightower, Royster, Morris, Helu (stunned me and many others last night) (4)

WR: Garcon, Hankerson, Moss, Morgan, Briscoe, Robinson (Armstrong makes it difficult but Robinson is younger with more upside) (6)

FB: Darrel Young (1)

TE: Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Logan Paulsen (3)

OL: Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Maurice Hurt, Jordan Black, Someone not currently on the roster (9)

K: Billy Cundiff (1)

DL: Stephen Bowen, Barry Cofield, Adam Carriker, Chris Baker, Doug Worthington, Jarvis Jenkins, Someone not currently on the roster (7)

LB: Ryan Kerrigan, London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo, Perry Riley, Keenan Robinson, Chris Wilson, Bryan Kehl (7)

CB: Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, DeAngelo Hall, Richard Crawford, Brandyn Thompson, David Jones (7)

S: Tanard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes (4)

LS: Nick Sundberg (1)[/quote]
I'm surprised at 7 corners, Jones is a surprise. I'd hope for Bernstein over Doughty at backup safety. Jackson seems more versatile than Wilson who is a one trick pony to me. Other than that I would concur with the balance of the roster.

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[quote=Paintrain;935461]I'm surprised at 7 corners, Jones is a surprise. I'd hope for Bernstein over Doughty at backup safety. Jackson seems more versatile than Wilson who is a one trick pony to me. Other than that I would concur with the balance of the roster.[/quote]

Jones is a guy I know the coaching staff, particularly Danny Smith likes. He's borderline but I think he makes it. I was torn between Thompson or Jones. So I kept both.

I think Bernstine goes to the PS.

Jackson is my stunner

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Jackson definitely would be a stunner. He's had a great camp from everything I've seen. Could we possibly trade him? Some were thinking that because this is his contract year, we might get some value out of him due to the fact that he will probably test to market anyway.

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I was going to try to do the whole 53, then I realized I haven't got a clue.

My main shock cut would be Grossman, and they decide to use that surprise spot to keep the 4th RB without any loss at WR or DB's.

I doubt it would happen, but honestly Cousins impressed the heck outta me, and seems like he could hold his own if it came down to it.

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Big news this morning as the NFLPA has approved the new IR rule. Meaning one player could be place on IR and come back mid-season.

This could easily be someone like Hightower, even Helu still depending on how he feels over the next 48 hours.

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There's no way Hightower makes this team over one of Helu/Morris/Royser right?

Seems hard to justify in my opinion.

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no way they keep 11 dbs. 9 is more likely, and they'll keep more than 7 lbs for sure.

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[quote=SmootSmack;935486]Big news this morning as the NFLPA has approved the new IR rule. Meaning one player could be place on IR and come back mid-season.

This could easily be someone like Hightower, even Helu still depending on how he feels over the next 48 hours.[/quote]

Smoot, explain to me again Jamaal Brown's situation? He is not on IR, but PUP or something?