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[quote=httr198020;1223299]He had a 84.8 qbr.[/quote]

That was not my question.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223289]Another thing I have noticed is Haskins recognizes coverage and what the defense is doing Pre snap often, checks in to another play more than most College QBs

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And this is why I believe he should be put in there right away. He's not the normal 21 year. He's already an advanced player at the line and probably a quick learner. Watching Case or Colt isn't getting him better at sliding protections and reading NFL defenses.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223289]Another thing I have noticed is Haskins recognizes coverage and what the defense is doing Pre snap often, checks in to another play more than most College QBs

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It is my understanding (I'll look for the source in a bit), that Haskins receives audibles from the sideline at Ohio State. Not saying he can't do it in the PRO, but it is misleading to think this is or is not a strength by watching the game.

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All I want to see is a truly open competition. He gets the job if and when he earns it.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;1223315]It is my understanding (I'll look for the source in a bit), that Haskins receives audibles from the sideline at Ohio State. Not saying he can't do it in the PRO, but it is misleading to think this is or is not a strength by watching the game.[/QUOTE]It was Cooley that I heard saying this predraft. Not sure if it's true...

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[quote=RobH4413;1223315]It is my understanding (I'll look for the source in a bit), that Haskins receives audibles from the sideline at Ohio State. Not saying he can't do it in the PRO, but it is misleading to think this is or is not a strength by watching the game.[/quote]

A lot of first year quarterbacks don't call their own audibles. So, I don't see why this is a big issue if true. Besides, there is a good chance Haskins isn't starting his first year anyway. I am not even sure if Peyton Manning called his own plays his first or second year.


To me, this is a non-issue.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223314]And this is why I believe he should be put in there right away. He's not the normal 21 year. He's already an advanced player at the line and probably a quick learner. Watching Case or Colt isn't getting him better at sliding protections and reading NFL defenses.[/quote]

Yeah I totally agree with that philosophy. Haskins is the future and might as well jump in that deep water. He'll make rookie mistakes, but he will learn. What is he going to get out of watching Colt or Case - they're both scrubs. The Eagles played Wentz from the first game, and most other teams do as well.

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It's a large amount of information to digest, just the offensive playbook by itself. I'm ok if he needs to take his time before jumping right in.

I'd love for him to start day 1 and ball out, but he may need more time, no big deal.

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[quote=los panda;1223337]It's a large amount of information to digest, just the offensive playbook by itself. I'm ok if he needs to take his time before jumping right in.

I'd love for him to start day 1 and ball out, but he may need more time, no big deal.[/quote]

They usually dumb it down in the first season for the rookie QB in the beginning, before adding more plays as the season goes on. Nothing will replace the experience gained on the field. Play him from the get-go.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;1223315]It is my understanding (I'll look for the source in a bit), that Haskins receives audibles from the sideline at Ohio State. Not saying he can't do it in the PRO, but it is misleading to think this is or is not a strength by watching the game.[/QUOTE]Last year the media talked alot about how mcvay was talking to goff up until the time the helmet headset was cut off. He did the same with KC when he was here. As long as Haskins can process the informatuon be it from the sideline or his own eyes than he should be good. I hope they have a true competition in camp and preseason, might even get JG to put more emphasis on those games and lead to a better start to the season.

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1223368]They usually dumb it down in the first season for the rookie QB in the beginning, before adding more plays as the season goes on. Nothing will replace the experience gained on the field. Play him from the get-go.[/QUOTE]1st start against Philly in Philly?

Jim Schwartz seconds your idea.

Which QB do you want to draft next year?

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If Haskins is not ready let him sit. If he starts before he is ready it will be hard to bench him

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All depends on how he looks in camp. I wouldn't be against him sitting out that brutal 5 game start to the season and coming in after that. But if he looks good in camp and seems like he can handle things, get him out there.

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[quote=MTK;1223394]All depends on how he looks in camp. I wouldn't be against him sitting out that brutal 5 game start to the season and coming in after that. But if he looks good in camp and seems like he can handle things, get him out there.[/quote]

He is already better than Keenum, might as well start him barring a horrible Pre season.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1223371]1st start against Philly in Philly?

Jim Schwartz seconds your idea.

Which QB do you want to draft next year?

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bigreds77;1223375]If Haskins is not ready let him sit. If he starts before he is ready it will be hard to bench him[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you both!

Keenum is not that bad and I personally see absolutely no reason to start Haskins at all this season.

Personally I would keep Haskins on the bench for at least a year and maybe work him into a few game this year if possible. But I would not make Haskins the Starting QB until next year.

As I mentioned, Keenum is not a bad QB, and the Redskins most likely won't be contenders this season, so I see not reason to push Haskins too quickly. My feeling is that with all of hopes of having a Franchise QB, I don't want to see Haskins thrown in too early and have him get injured or lose his confidence to quickly. IMHO, two of the problems that plagued RG3 were getting injured in his rookie season and then getting hit enough times where he got goosie.

Of course the biggest problem with RG3 was the owner fawning over RG3, and giving RG3 a sense of entitlement. But that is another story!

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[quote=kct1975;1223400]I totally agree with you both!

Keenum is not that bad and I personally see absolutely no reason to start Haskins at all this season.

Personally I would keep Haskins on the bench for at least a year and maybe work him into a few game this year if possible. But I would not make Haskins the Starting QB until next year.

As I mentioned, Keenum is not a bad QB, and the Redskins most likely won't be contenders this season, so I see not reason to push Haskins too quickly. My feeling is that with all of hopes of having a Franchise QB, I don't want to see Haskins thrown in too early and have him get injured or lose his confidence to quickly. IMHO, two of the problems that plagued RG3 were getting injured in his rookie season and then getting hit enough times where he got goosie.

Of course the biggest problem with RG3 was the owner fawning over RG3, and giving RG3 a sense of entitlement. But that is another story!

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RG3's problem is that he couldn't read NFL defenses and he never could play at the NFL level. Haskins needs experience and can get it best by playing. I just don't see how Haskins is going to learn a lot from watching Keenum or McCoy play. A compromise is to let Case play for 5-6 games then put Haskins in to finish out the season.

If Haskins wins out the preseason competition I just don't see how you can hold him back simply because he may get hurt.

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[quote=Warthog;1223405]RG3's problem is that he couldn't read NFL defenses and he never could play at the NFL level. Haskins needs experience and can get it best by playing. I just don't see how Haskins is going to learn a lot from watching Keenum or McCoy play. A compromise is to let Case play for 5-6 games then put Haskins in to finish out the season.

If Haskins wins out the preseason competition I just don't see how you can hold him back simply because he may get hurt.[/quote]

He's not going to learn much behind those 2 avg QBs, its not like he's sitting behind a proven starter, (Cousins)

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I really don't have a problem with either approach. There isn't one approach that determines a successful qb. As long as he works hard, studies the playbook, and learns on the field (and doesn't develop a friendship with the owner that allows him to go over Gruden's head when they inevitably butt heads) he should be fine.

I would prefer him to sit on the bench and study the book, learn the terminology, etc. before he starts but that's only because we still don't have a reliable #1 wideout for him to throw to. Richardson just isn't that guy, Doctson definitely isn't either, and everyone else needs time to learn. Reed is a weapon when healthy, but we all know how that goes.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223406]He's not going to learn much behind those 2 avg QBs, its not like he's sitting behind a proven starter, (Cousins)[/quote]

Mahomes learned from Smith for a year, yeah I know Smith won't be playing but I guarantee they'll want Haskins doing the same thing, even if Keenum starts for a bit. Keenum didn't make it this far on his athletic ability, it's his work ethic that keeps getting him opportunities.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223406]He's not going to learn much behind those 2 avg QBs, its not like he's sitting behind a proven starter, (Cousins)[/quote]

You would be surprised how much wealth of knowledge can be obtained from guys like Case Keenum and Alex Smith. And yes, I'd even say Colt McCoy to a lesser extent. I don't see a need for Haskins to be thrown into the fire unless he clearly beats out the other guys for the starting job.

It's not like he's coming onto the scene with John Beck and enter no-name quarterback as the backup. He's got some guys around him who can help build him up. Gruden is pretty good with quarterbacks, and he's got some former quarterbacks as coaches who can help further develop him. I think Haskins will be OK.

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[quote=metalskins;1223413]You would be surprised how much wealth of knowledge can be obtained from guys like Case Keenum and Alex Smith. And yes, I'd even say Colt McCoy to a lesser extent. I don't see a need for Haskins to be thrown into the fire unless he clearly beats out the other guys for the starting job.

It's not like he's coming onto the scene with John Beck and enter no-name quarterback as the backup. He's got some guys around him who can help build him up. Gruden is pretty good with quarterbacks, and he's got some former quarterbacks as coaches who can help further develop him. I think Haskins will be OK.[/quote]

O I think he can learn either way and I believe he will be fine either way but I'd rather have him start day 1 if he proves it in the Pre Season

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Jay should put Haskins out there when he's ready and not a moment before.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1223398]He is already better than Keenum, might as well start him barring a horrible Pre season.[/QUOTE]



We don’t know that yet.


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The best QB should play until we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Same for every position imo. After that, nothing wrong with letting the young guys play a lot more and/or start, even if they aren't necessarily the best at that given time.

Hopefully Haskins wins the job, but also nothing wrong with him sitting and watching for part of the year, or even the whole year if we somehow get 2017 Keenum.

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[quote=MTK;1223419]We don’t know that yet.


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We don't but as for potential its not even close.

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1h6bc3Dniw[/url]

Good stuff from Bruce

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They key is going to be Gruden and KOC designing an offense he can handle as a rookie.


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[quote=MTK;1223427]They key is going to be Gruden and KOC designing an offense he can handle as a rookie.


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No doubt, I believe they will. I know some here are hesitant to play him right away but I think this guy is special. He's super smart

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[quote=MTK;1223427]They key is going to be Gruden and KOC designing an offense he can handle as a rookie.


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If that's the key then we're screwed. Jay Gruden's offense was designed in the 1980's by somebody else and he has used that offense, unchanged in any way, since he has been an OC. Gruden has no imagination whatsoever and his totally predictable play-calling proves it. On the positive side, perhaps our new HC can design something effective for Haskins in 2020.

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After watching every snap from 2018 on Haskins:

[B]STRENGTHS [/B]
1. Accurate passer from the pocket, hits all 3 phases well. Short , Medium , Deep.
2. Shows resilience when his team is down in the 4th QTR, led a couple of very good comeback drives late.
3. Leader, you can see his guys love playing with him.
4. Kid is smart, he can recognize coverage very quickly after the snap.

[B]WEAKNESS [/B]
1. Footwork needs work, too many times he threw off balance and mechanics were off.
2. Played in a very pass friendly system (as do most College QB's)
3. Times under pressure he missed wide open and I mean WIDE open guys running downfield.
4. Not really a weakness but he isn't very mobile, better than some think though but he is 100% a pocket passer.


Overall I think he's going to be as good as Kirk was, he will put up good numbers if surrounded by weapons like Kirk had. The big difference? Haskins is great in the RZ and in late game situations.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223522]After watching every snap from 2018 on Haskins:

[B]STRENGTHS [/B]
1. Accurate passer from the pocket, hits all 3 phases well. Short , Medium , Deep.
2. Shows resilience when his team is down in the 4th QTR, led a couple of very good comeback drives late.
3. Leader, you can see his guys love playing with him.
4. Kid is smart, he can recognize coverage very quickly after the snap.

[B]WEAKNESS [/B]
1. Footwork needs work, too many times he threw off balance and mechanics were off.
2. Played in a very pass friendly system (as do most College QB's)
3. Times under pressure he missed wide open and I mean WIDE open guys running downfield.
4. Not really a weakness but he isn't very mobile, better than some think though but he is 100% a pocket passer.


Overall I think he's going to be as good as Kirk was, he will put up good numbers if surrounded by weapons like Kirk had. The big difference? Haskins is great in the RZ and in late game situations.[/quote]

Thanks for the analysis. I'm not too concerned about the footwork issue, since that is something Haskins can fix eventually. The biggest thing I love about Haskins is his ability to handle comeback pressure, which is completely opposite of Cousins. While Redskins offense is good enough to protect and develop Haskins this year, Redskins definitely will need to upgrade receivers and maybe tackle position (TW is getting old and Moses need to show he can play at top level consistently) next year to help Haskins go even further.

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[quote=GridIron26;1223549]Thanks for the analysis. I'm not too concerned about the footwork issue, since that is something Haskins can fix eventually. The biggest thing I love about Haskins is his ability to handle comeback pressure, which is completely opposite of Cousins. While Redskins offense is good enough to protect and develop Haskins this year, Redskins definitely will need to upgrade receivers and maybe tackle position (TW is getting old and Moses need to show he can play at top level consistently) next year to help Haskins go even further.[/quote]

Weapons will have to be upgraded yearly, especially at TE.

Trent is fine, believe it or not he's still only 30 yrs old

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223553]Weapons will have to be upgraded yearly, especially at TE.

Trent is fine, believe it or not he's still only 30 yrs old[/quote]

I would wait 2 more seasons before spending a 1st rounder on his replacement. Anticipating team needs for next or that year is tough but, I really think we're trending in the right direction (on paper) with the youth we have to make that happen.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223553]Weapons will have to be upgraded yearly, especially at TE.

Trent is fine, believe it or not he's still only [B]30 yrs old[/B][/quote]

I take it back. I didn't realize Trent is only 30, for some reason I thought he is mid 30's by now :embarrass

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I am frankly not concerned with Haskins as our starter from a passing game standpoint. He will learn the best on the field and in practice getting all the reps.
Putting him on a shelf is crazy if he can play...that ironically could stunt him too as he wont get any reps, or attention if he isn't the starter once the bullets start flying.

I am more concerned with him playing under center. Any new QB must also learn the playbook and establish rapport with playmakers too.
It is a real stretch for him to learn all this, and audibles, checkdowns, protections, etc.
[B]But from my very limited knowledge, he has a bunch of shotgun experience, but not so much snapping the ball.

Am I wrong?
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[quote=skinsnut;1223559]I am frankly not concerned with Haskins as our starter from a passing game standpoint. He will learn the best on the field and in practice getting all the reps.
Putting him on a shelf is crazy if he can play...that ironically could stunt him too as he wont get any reps, or attention if he isn't the starter once the bullets start flying.

I am more concerned with him playing under center. Any new QB must also learn the playbook and establish rapport with playmakers too.
It is a real stretch for him to learn all this, and audibles, checkdowns, protections, etc.
[B]But from my very limited knowledge, he has a bunch of shotgun experience, but not so much snapping the ball.

Am I wrong?
[/B][/quote]

He has more Shotgun for sure but he has no issues under center on film anyway. His quick release makes him a tough QB to defend. That is something coaches hate to face, a QB that can release it quickly.

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The Kevin Sheehan Show podcast first 12 minutes today is a must listen too for Redskins fans. Must listen when it comes to Haskins development

Sheehan sums up the biggest fear of Haskins development perfectly and the lessons Snyder MUST have learned from the RG3 experience. Make no mistake, Haskins was Snyder's pick. Snyder entitled RG3 previously because of his relationship. Snyder MUST...MUST leave Haskins development up to the Coaching staff and can have ZERO input on who starts or how Haskins should be developed.

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Call me crazy but I do think Snyder learned from the RG3 fiasco.

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I highly recommend checking out John Keim's latest pod with Matt Bowen. Good analysis on Haskins and Sweat, also some good stuff about playing for Spurrier vs Gibbs.

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[quote=MTK;1223578]Call me crazy but I do think Snyder learned from the RG3 fiasco.[/quote]

I stated this before, but Gruden was able to make the case of Cousins over RG3 which lead them to a playoff birth 2015. So that to me is significant...

But we know many have said, after the embarrassing last year with the ratings and home games.... Snyder may have told Bruce his strategy isn't working...we need blue chippers. So Old Snyder could be rearing its ugly head again.

We will see, but I cant simply say he has learned...yet.


Oh god, Vinny in the Sheenhans podcast says "Dan did a good job with his evaluations of Haskins and made a good pick"....Vinny said he really liked Haskins. damn