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I agree that longer term Ridder could be an NFL QB. But I am not sure if it would take 1 year ..... or 3. And that is the problem. We are in an unusual situation where a defensive unit has jelled very quickly while our offense, particularly at QB is far from certain. I think that the four QB's who could be ready to start next year are Lawrence, Fields, Wilson and Jones. But to get one of them, we would have to "trade up". So the question becomes whether the cost of moving up is worth the immediate benefit of obtaining one of the top four QB's. I am hopeful this off-season that football professionals, not Dan Snyder will be making that decision.

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You can take Ridder at 19 because even if he doesn't pan out that isn't a huge loss, I'd rather take him in the 2nd tho

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I think Mac Jones is more NFL ready than Ridder. I haven't watched all their games, but in the few I have seen, I think I'd take Jones over Ridder. I don't know where they will be drafted...19 seems pretty high for both of them. If Jones can be had with that 2nd round pick, I'd be ok with that.

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How is everybody who knows college football feeling about Mac Jones? I only saw a bit of one game, but he looked like a guy who might be available and have a shot.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1272226]How is everybody who knows college football feeling about Mac Jones? I only saw a bit of one game, but he looked like a guy who might be available and have a shot.[/quote]

He's better than Trask and Ridder right now but that doesn't mean he'll be better in a few years. Low ceiling, accurate thrower , decent arm, can't move well.. He is not a Justin Herbert but he could be a Kirk Cousins type.

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I think Jones moves well enough. He seems to have great pocket presence, and he's very accurate. He won't get you an 80 yard run, but he can get you a few yards scrambling if necessary. Why do you think he has a low ceiling.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1272228]I think Jones moves well enough. He seems to have great pocket presence, and he's very accurate. He won't get you an 80 yard run, but he can get you a few yards scrambling if necessary. Why do you think he has a low ceiling.[/quote]

He's not going to be a Herbert is what I mean, like his arm wont jump out at you but that doesn't mean he can't be a damn good QB. Dak Precott is a similar comp actually and I'd love that type of QB

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If we took Jones at 19 I'd be cool with that

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Our team with a Dak/Kirk style qb (who doesn't have choking or big game issues ) would be a contender for years

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1272230]If we took Jones at 32 I'd be cool with that[/quote]
:joecool:Fixed it for ya :food-smil

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1272230]If we took Jones at 19 I'd be cool with that[/quote]

If we win Saturday (never know) we could be drafting higher, hopefully he’s still there. Any of these guys would be an improvement over Haskins.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1272233]If we win Saturday (never know) we could be drafting higher, hopefully he’s still there. Any of these guys would be an improvement over Haskins.[/quote]

Agree

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My grandmother, and she has been dead for over 20 years, would be an improvement over what we got out of Haskins.

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Trade down and draft Ridder. I'd like that plan. Risky 1st round pick protected by adding at least 1 additional pick.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1272259]Trade down and draft Ridder. I'd like that plan. Risky 1st round pick protected by adding at least 1 additional pick.[/quote]

Why trade down? He's not a first round talent. He'll be there in the third round if you really want him, IMO. Take one of the WRs, RBs, LBs, or OTs in the first if you don't like the QBs still on the board and take a shot at a project like Ridder later, if our scouts see something in him. I've got to say, though, he didn't impress me vs. Georgia, frankly.

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[quote=Number44;1272265]Why trade down? He's not a first round talent. He'll be there in the third round if you really want him, IMO. Take one of the WRs, RBs, LBs, or OTs in the first if you don't like the QBs still on the board and take a shot at a project like Ridder later, if our scouts see something in him. I've got to say, though, he didn't impress me vs. Georgia, frankly.[/quote]

He is a QB with untapped potential. No guarantee he makes it all the way down to 51, let alone the 3rd round.

Not saying they absolutely should do that. But it's an option I'd be good with.

But picking him at 19 is too high. I'd rather risk waiting to the 2nd round then gambling at 19, if those were the only 2 options.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1272266]He is a QB with untapped potential. No guarantee he makes it all the way down to 51, let alone the 3rd round.

Not saying they absolutely should do that. But it's an option I'd be good with.

But picking him at 19 is too high. I'd rather risk waiting to the 2nd round then gambling at 19, if those were the only 2 options.[/quote]

Agree 100%. He might not make it to the 2nd round, kid has potential and shows good fundamentals.

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There is some discussion in Ohio that Ridder may stay for his senior year in order to build his value for next year's draft. One factor is whether Luke Finkel will stay as UC Head Coach. From what I have heard on local sports talk show, Ridder knows he is probably not a first rounder at this point and is thinking that another year to improve his game could vault him into the upper tier of QB's next year.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1272266]He is a QB with untapped potential. No guarantee he makes it all the way down to 51, let alone the 3rd round.

Not saying they absolutely should do that. But it's an option I'd be good with.

But picking him at 19 is too high. I'd rather risk waiting to the 2nd round then gambling at 19, if those were the only 2 options.[/quote]

As I said, I don't see him as a first rounder and I believe that he'll be there for us in the third, if we want him. But my eye is certainly untrained. It really all depends on what our scouts, coaches, KS, and RR see in him. They've earned my trust and I'm good with whatever they decide. Personally, I'd rather have Jones, as he has impressed me quite a bit. I'd be happy with him at 19. If we pick at 25 and can get him there, even better! :) I'm not fixated on any one guy, however. As I said, I don't really have a whole lot of knowledge, and I trust in the guys that WFT have in place to make those decisions.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1272283]There is some discussion in Ohio that Ridder may stay for his senior year in order to build his value for next year's draft. One factor is whether Luke Finkel will stay as UC Head Coach. From what I have heard on local sports talk show, Ridder knows he is probably not a first rounder at this point and is thinking that another year to improve his game could vault him into the upper tier of QB's next year.[/quote]

This makes sense.

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[quote=Number44;1272285]As I said, I don't see him as a first rounder and I believe that he'll be there for us in the third, if we want him. But my eye is certainly untrained. It really all depends on what our scouts, coaches, KS, and RR see in him. They've earned my trust and I'm good with whatever they decide. Personally, I'd rather have Jones, as he has impressed me quite a bit. I'd be happy with him at 19. If we pick at 25 and can get him there, even better! :) I'm not fixated on any one guy, however. As I said, I don't really have a whole lot of knowledge, and I trust in the guys that WFT have in place to make those decisions.[/quote]

Yeah, I just like to think about different scenarios. I'm no expert either. I'd prefer Jones too. I think Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Lance, and Jones will all be gone by 19. We will either need to trade up to get one of those guys, trade down a bit for the 2nd tier guys, or wait till lower rounds and hope one of the 2nd tier guys falls to us.

If any of the top 5 falls to us, it's a no brainer at 19 to swoop one of them up imo.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1272287]Yeah, I just like to think about different scenarios. I'm no expert either. I'd prefer Jones too. I think Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Lance, and Jones will all be gone by 19. We will either need to trade up to get one of those guys, trade down a bit for the 2nd tier guys, or wait till lower rounds and hope one of the 2nd tier guys falls to us.

If any of the top 5 falls to us, it's a no brainer at 19 to swoop one of them up imo.[/quote]

Out of the top 5 teams picking, Jets, Texans, Bengals, we could find a trade partner there and trade up to get either Wilson or Fields (preferably Wilson). If Wilson is available I would offer this for Wilson 2021 1st and 3rd and next year’s 1st , throw in Collins and if we have to part with either Payne, Matt I. Or Settle, then do it. This is for Wilson only.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1272288]Out of the top 5 teams picking, Jets, Texans, Bengals, we could find a trade partner there and trade up to get either Wilson or Fields (preferably Wilson). If Wilson is available I would offer this for Wilson 2021 1st and 3rd and next year’s 1st , throw in Collins and if we have to part with either Payne, Matt I. Or Settle, then do it. This is for Wilson only.[/QUOTE]I don't want to trade up. Find best player at the space and develop them.


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I'm not a fan of trading into the top 5 for anyone, that just always costs too much and there are so many examples of that not working out in favor of the team making the jump. If the QB they love falls into [U]bottom[/U] of the 1st round, then fine, maneuver as you must to get him. Not trading D-linemen, or multiple 1st rounders though.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1272291]I'm not a fan of trading into the top 5 for anyone, that just always costs too much and there are so many examples of that not working out in favor of the team making the jump. If the QB they love falls into [U]bottom[/U] of the 1st round, then fine, maneuver as you must to get him. Not trading D-linemen, or multiple 1st rounders though.[/quote]

Neither do I, but if you want the elusive franchise QB, Wilson is it.

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Im feel the same as you guys. Im no draft expert but Id be happy if Mac Jones/Try Lance drops to us or we use it on BPA. Seems like some good OL and WR prospects might be found in the mid to late 1st.

Id be against trading up unless its reasonable and our FO really believes Zach Wilson is a day 1 franchise QB.

Either way ... I like our choices.

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For the QB drafting talk, I thought this was interesting. The [URL="https://twitter.com/PFF_Mike/status/1346534539301183488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1346534539301183488%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fkr5oyo%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse"]qb draft position[/URL] of every starting quarterback in the playoffs this year.

The listing (and my personal opinions next to each)

WFT Alex Smith (1) Comeback Player for life

Browns Baker Mayfield (1) Jury still out

Rams Jared Goff (1) Jury still out

Bears Mitchell Trubuisky (2) Jury still out

Colts Philip Rivers (4) Borderline HOF - probably not

Bills Josh Allen (7) Trajectory: up

Titans Ryan Tannehill (8) Trajectory: up (note - Titans got him for a 4th and a 7th)

Chiefs Mahomes (10) HOF-bound

Steelers Big Ben (11) HOF-bound against my best wishes

Packers Aaron Rodgers (24) HOF-bound

Ravens Lamar Jackson (32) Elite

Saints Drew Brees (32) HOF-bound

Seahawks Russell Wilson (75) HOF-bound

Buccaneers Tom Brady (199) GOAT

My big takeaway? We don't have to pick in the top 10 to get a HOFer. Just have smart football guys in place and trust the process.

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Offensive boner draft. I'd be happy with this.

19: R1 P19*QB Trey Lance - North Dakota State
51: R2 P19*WR Terrace Marshall Jr. - LSU
76: R3 P12*TE Brevin Jordan - Miami
82: R3 P18*OT Brady Christensen - BYU
121: R4 P19*G Ben Cleveland - Georgia
160: R5 P19*TE Charlie Kolar - Iowa State
239: R7 P17*S Christsian Uphoff - Illinois State
241: R7 P19*LB Paddy Fisher - Northwestern

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[quote=mooby;1272315]for the qb drafting talk, i thought this was interesting. The [url="https://twitter.com/pff_mike/status/1346534539301183488?ref_src=twsrc%5etfw%7ctwcamp%5etweetembed%7ctwterm%5e1346534539301183488%7ctwgr%5e%7ctwcon%5es1_&ref_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.redditmedia.com%2fmediaembed%2fkr5oyo%3fresponsive%3dtrueis_nightmode%3dfalse"]qb draft position[/url] of every starting quarterback in the playoffs this year.

The listing (and my personal opinions next to each)

wft alex smith (1) comeback player for life

browns baker mayfield (1) jury still out

rams jared goff (1) jury still out

bears mitchell trubuisky (2) jury still out

colts philip rivers (4) borderline hof - probably not

bills josh allen (7) trajectory: Up

titans ryan tannehill (8) trajectory: Up (note - titans got him for a 4th and a 7th)

chiefs mahomes (10) hof-bound

steelers big ben (11) hof-bound against my best wishes

packers aaron rodgers (24) hof-bound

[b]ravens lamar jackson (32) elite[/b]

saints drew brees (32) hof-bound

seahawks russell wilson (75) hof-bound

buccaneers tom brady (199) goat

my big takeaway? We don't have to pick in the top 10 to get a hofer. Just have smart football guys in place and trust the process.[/quote]

avg at best

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lol Jackson average??

30-7 win/loss record as a starter, pretty elite territory

If you want to break down his game and call him an average passer, fine, but as an overall player you can't argue with the results

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[quote=MTK;1272611]lol Jackson average??

30-7 win/loss record as a starter, pretty elite territory

If you want to break down his game and call him an average passer, fine, but as an overall player you can't argue with the results[/quote]

That's what I meant, average passer, HELL OF AN ATHLETE. I'm not hating on him

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1272613]That's what I meant, average passer, HELL OF AN ATHLETE. I'm not hating on him[/quote]

I'm not talking as a passer aspect (because that's the weakest part of his game), but as a complete player he absolutely was worth it. At his best he's a league MVP, at his worst he's above-average thanks to the dual threat (I know dual-threats aren't worth as much as a pure elite pocket passer, but as a player Lamar Jackson is absolutely elite).

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I’d take both

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I'd take both if the price was right. Highly doubt the price is right though, given demand exceeds supply for decent qb's and wr's. Let someone else overpay.

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[quote=mooby;1272629]I'd take both if the price was right. Highly doubt the price is right though, given demand exceeds supply for decent qb's and wr's. Let someone else overpay.[/quote]


Agree. DeShaun Watson wants out too. I would be all over him. Probably cost a couple of firsts, but I'd do it.

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Rap sheet said he has heard it will take at least 3 first round picks.

I’d still do it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1272634]Rap sheet said he has heard it will take at least 3 first round picks.

I’d still do it[/quote]


Yep. Would get us where we need to be. Injury history is a little scary, but I'd absolutely do it. Better than using 3 firsts for a rookie.

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You can draft 3 Qbs in the next three years and all could be bust. Watson is a sure thing

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Not saying I wouldn't take Watson with that deal, but I'd balance this with the fact our brain trust took Chase instead of Tua last year, and that worked out pretty damn well. Imagine 3 more potential monster picks like Chase on the team by 2024? I'd be sure I'm as confident as possible we can't find a guy in this draft before I pulled the trigger on that deal.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1272637]You can draft 3 Qbs in the next three years and all could be bust. Watson is a sure thing[/quote]

That might be steep but I'd do it. We gave up more draft capital for RG3 and we still won the division three years after 2012. I would rather be a consistent contender and you can't do that without consistent high level QB play. In 3 years we might be making some tough financial decisions with the front d-line. Take advantage of their play now.