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[quote=Giantone;1272119]Not true a few have said it. Actually my argument if they had just made a single play in three different games they would be 9-7 . No one is saying that the Giants didn't need to take care of their own business , what people are saying that now with gambling it cheapens the Washington's team win and gives a black eye to the NFL . Win Sat and it's forgotten.[/quote]

Ok, we can all play that game. If WFT makes a single play in three different games they would be 10-6 - including both games against the Giants.

It will be forgotten on Sunday no matter what.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1272121]He was their only threat last night, and it was obvious. You are right, it was not a good look. Had they started Sudfeld, that would be one thing...but they benched the only guy that gave the team a chance to win. Not that they would have, but he was their chance.

However, as has been discussed on this board already, and while it wasn't exactly the same scenario, the Steelers left their starting QB and their best defensive player back in Pittsburgh. If they had beaten the Browns, the Dolphins would have been in the playoffs instead of the Browns. I watched every single NFL show since last night and no one is talking about that.

Unfortunately, in week 17, teams who are playing each other often have different priorities, and that is what it boiled down to. I see no way in hell the NFL takes a draft pick. The league doesn't get to tell the coaches and owners who plays and when.[/quote]

Not even close , teams already clinching a playoff berth have always rested players . To say you #1 priority is winning and not go for the tying field goal or sit your best QB for a third rounder makes you guys and the Eagle players look bad. I think Peterson is toast after tomorrow.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1272124]Ok, we can all play that game. If WFT makes a single play in three different games they would be 10-6 - including both games against the Giants.

It will be forgotten on Sunday no matter what.[/quote]

...........exactly.

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[quote=Giantone;1272115]Not a good look for the Eagles , , [B]there is talk of taking their #1 pick as a punishment.[/B] You can't say your #1 priority is winning and then pull your QB to see if the #3 guy is any good in a regular season game.[/quote]

No there isn't. That is just whiny Giants fans crying as usual. Week 17 has those type of decisions every year. Every year. No exceptions. Thing is, most fans know and accept it, like the Dolphins fans this year. And they actually had a good team. Giants fans? They have no clue.

And, frankly, removing an ineffective QB midway through the 4th quarter happens all the time, not just week 17. Giants fans whining that Hurts was having a good day doesn't make it true. He was having a miserable day. QBR of 45. Generated nothing in the 2nd half. JDR made adjustments to account for his occasional successful scramble and stopped him cold after halftime. Bigger surprise to me, TBH, was that they played Hurts at all, especially in bad weather.

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[quote=Number44;1272128]No there isn't. That is just whiny Giants fans crying as usual. Week 17 has those type of decisions every year. Every year. No exceptions. Thing is, most fans know and accept it, like the Dolphins fans this year. And they actually had a good team. Giants fans? They have no clue.

And, frankly, removing an ineffective QB midway through the 4th quarter happens all the time, not just week 17. Giants fans whining that Hurts was having a good day doesn't make it true. He was having a miserable day. QBR of 45. Generated nothing in the 2nd half. JDR made adjustments to account for his occasional successful scramble and stopped him cold after halftime. Bigger surprise to me, TBH, was that they played Hurts at all, especially in bad weather.[/quote]

[B]Yes , there is.[/B]


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The Eagles’ organizational plan to tank their final game for a better draft pick was somewhat obvious from the moment they put out their inactives list and healthy-scratched some of the veterans who could have helped them win their final game of the season.

It was slightly more evident when they rolled Jalen Hurts out on a fourth-and-four against one of the best defenses in football to try and score, in lieu of kicking a game-tying field goal with two minutes to play in the third quarter (yes, we know the math favored going for it, though one could make a sober, clear-headed argument for sensibly taking the points).

But the moment Doug Pederson pulled a seemingly healthy, effective Jalen Hurts from the football game after watching him successfully navigate one of the most aggressive defensive lines in the league (he had a poor passer rating but had two rushing touchdowns to cap long scoring drives), only to insert usual third-stringer Nate Sudfeld, the nakedly brazen maneuver quickly changed tenor from cheeky to macabre. In one minute, it went from something the NFL could laugh off and explain away through its media-sympathetic minions lacking the ability to filter critical information to something they should investigate and penalize.



......and from the Washington Post.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/04/eagles-doug-pederson-tanking/[/url]

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Conor Orr is just a whiny new york sports writer. There is no discussion in the league circles to punish the eagles, because there is no validity to any punishment. The eagles played their game with the plan the coach had stated ahead of the game.


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ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio calls for NFL to investigate Eagles, Doug Pederson for tanking vs. Washington Football Team


...........and this.


[url]https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/01/espns-sal-paolantonio-calls-for-nfl-to-investigate-eagles-doug-pederson-for-tanking-vs-washington-football-team.html[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1272131]Conor Orr is just a whiny new york sports writer. There is no discussion in the league circles to punish the eagles, because there is no validity to any punishment. The eagles played their game with the plan the coach had stated ahead of the game.


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LOL, yeah ok.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1272132]ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio calls for NFL to investigate Eagles, Doug Pederson for tanking vs. Washington Football Team





...........and this.





[url]https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/01/espns-sal-paolantonio-calls-for-nfl-to-investigate-eagles-doug-pederson-for-tanking-vs-washington-football-team.html[/url][/QUOTE]From your article

The NFL’s longstanding position has been that it’s solely the club’s decision regarding who to play, for now long, etc. So while the circumstances (Sunday) are unique, the*#Eagles*aren’t the first team to play backups in Week 17, and the league historically hasn’t gotten involved.

translation: suck it up buttercups

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1272134]From your article

The NFL’s longstanding position has been that it’s solely the club’s decision regarding who to play, for now long, etc. So while the circumstances (Sunday) are unique, the*#Eagles*aren’t the first team to play backups in Week 17, and the league historically hasn’t gotten involved.

translation: suck it up buttercups

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LOL, talk to me Sunday.

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Carl Banks
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Take the NYG out of the equation (they had chances to control their destiny), i am wondering if Pederson is trying to get fired. He owes the Giants nothing but he owes his team more respect that these moves.. i really do think he's trying to get out of Philly

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[quote=Giantone;1272137][IMG]https://twitter.com/CarlBanksGIII/status/1345944987570237441[/IMG]


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Carl Banks
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Take the NYG out of the equation (they had chances to control their destiny), i am wondering if Pederson is trying to get fired. He owes the Giants nothing but he owes his team more respect that these moves.. i really do think he's trying to get out of Philly[/quote]

I was wondering this same thing.

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[quote=Giantone;1272136]LOL, talk to me Sunday.[/quote]

You mean after our guys have played a playoff game and your guys have been playing golf.....😎

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[quote=Giantone;1272130][B]Yes , there is.[/B]


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The Eagles’ organizational plan to tank their final game for a better draft pick was somewhat obvious from the moment they put out their inactives list and healthy-scratched some of the veterans who could have helped them win their final game of the season.

It was slightly more evident when they rolled Jalen Hurts out on a fourth-and-four against one of the best defenses in football to try and score, in lieu of kicking a game-tying field goal with two minutes to play in the third quarter (yes, we know the math favored going for it, though one could make a sober, clear-headed argument for sensibly taking the points).

But the moment Doug Pederson pulled a seemingly healthy, [B]effective[/B] Jalen Hurts from the football game after watching him [B]successfully navigate[/B] one of the most aggressive defensive lines in the league (he had a poor passer rating but had two rushing touchdowns to cap long scoring drives), only to insert usual third-stringer Nate Sudfeld, the nakedly brazen maneuver quickly changed tenor from cheeky to macabre. In one minute, it went from something the NFL could laugh off and explain away through its media-sympathetic minions lacking the ability to filter critical information to something they should investigate and penalize.[/quote]

LOL. You think that isn't NYG fans crying? LMAO. This is what I mean by not having a clue.

The NY fans and media are embarrassing themselves. Really.

This NY-centric "reporting" doesn't even address how poorly Hurts was playing (other than to lie and say he was "effective" and "successfully navigating"). 45 QBR isn't "effective" and "successfully navigating". The only "successful navigation" was by the officials throwing a flag on three consecutive third and long stops in the first scoring "drive" for PHIL. Hurts did absolutely zip in the second half. He was stopped cold. Again, no credit to the WFT defense at all, or to JDR's halftime adjustments, for that matter. It's ridiculous.

Do you even realize that you are discrediting our team with this whiny bs?

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1272139]You mean after our guys have played a playoff game and your guys have been playing golf.....😎[/quote]

..............and dinner.

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[quote=Number44;1272140]LOL. You think that isn't NYG fans crying? LMAO. This is what I mean by not having a clue.

The NY fans and media are embarrassing themselves. Really.

This NY-centric "reporting" doesn't even address how poorly Hurts was playing (other than to lie and say he was "effective" and "successfully navigating"). 45 QBR isn't "effective" and "successfully navigating". The only "successful navigation" was by the officials throwing a flag on three consecutive third and long stops in the first scoring "drive" for PHIL. Hurts did absolutely zip in the second half. He was stopped cold. Again, no credit to the WFT defense at all, or to JDR's halftime adjustments, for that matter. It's ridiculous.

Do you even realize that you are discrediting our team with this whiny bs?[/quote]
Spin how ever you want to feel better. You might want to read a few of my post's before you try that discredit shit with me.

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Whether we get the hell beat out of us next week or not The WFT won the NFC east !!! As far as tanking I can remember The redskins needing teams to win and they sat there starters and we missed playoffs ... this is nothing new at all !! And who knows for sure the eagles would have won ... Nobody knows ! I find the horrible refs more troubling than the eagles tanking .

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[quote=Giantone;1272125]Not even close , teams already clinching a playoff berth have always rested players . To say you #1 priority is winning and not go for the tying field goal or sit your best QB for a third rounder [B]makes you guys[/B] and the Eagle players [B]look bad[/B]. I think Peterson is toast after tomorrow.[/quote]

I don't see how it makes the WFT look bad. They were winning when Hurts came out, and didn't make the decision to pull him.

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[quote=Giantone;1272130][B]Yes , there is.[/B]


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The Eagles’ organizational plan to tank their final game for a better draft pick was somewhat obvious from the moment they put out their inactives list and healthy-scratched some of the veterans who could have helped them win their final game of the season.

It was slightly more evident when they rolled Jalen Hurts out on a fourth-and-four against one of the best defenses in football to try and score, in lieu of kicking a game-tying field goal with two minutes to play in the third quarter (yes, we know the math favored going for it, though one could make a sober, clear-headed argument for sensibly taking the points).

But the moment Doug Pederson pulled a seemingly healthy, effective Jalen Hurts from the football game after watching him successfully navigate one of the most aggressive defensive lines in the league (he had a poor passer rating but had two rushing touchdowns to cap long scoring drives), only to insert usual third-stringer Nate Sudfeld, the nakedly brazen maneuver quickly changed tenor from cheeky to macabre. In one minute, it went from something the NFL could laugh off and explain away through its media-sympathetic minions lacking the ability to filter critical information to something they should investigate and penalize.



......and from the Washington Post.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/04/eagles-doug-pederson-tanking/[/url][/quote]

I didn't know Sports Illustrated had the power to take draft picks. Was that collectively bargained?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1272144]I don't see how it makes the WFT look bad. They were winning when Hurts came out, and didn't make the decision to pull him.[/quote]

We were winning the whole game except for one drive. This notion that some have that Hurts had the Eagles up by three TDs when he was pulled is actually quite funny.

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Ignoring the whining about the Eagles and their decisions, I certainly was hoping for a better performance by our offense, and I am happy to get the NFC East Title, but man it would have been nice to go out there and have our offense look like they did the first drive for the whole frickin game. Then none of this other blabber would even have a place in the dialog.

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[quote=Giantone;1272142]Spin how ever you want to feel better. You might want to read a few of my post's before you try that discredit shit with me.[/quote]

So that's a "no" you don't realize it. Well, you are. The WFT won the NFC East. That isn't saying much, but they earned it. This crap you are currently spewing on our site isn't befitting. I've not seen you be respectful before, which is why I asked if you even realized it. To pretend that the WFT defense didn't respond and stop Hurts in the second half is just a false narrative that discredits their efforts.

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I could give a shit less about the Giants, and I am thrilled to hell that the WFT won the division. I wish Hurts had played the whole game though. Whatever, if Pederson made that decision before the game started, then so be it. It's his team. They had nothing to prove to anyone, nothing to play for, and don't owe anyone outside of that team anything. I will say though, that it didn't appear from Jalen's reaction on the sideline and post game press conference, that the "plan" was communicated to him. Maybe it was...

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Truth is All of this makes the Eagles and Giants look bad ... the eagles for whatever they did .. and the giants for putting themselves in a position to have to rely on the eagles .. also don’t forget Alex was limping around on basically one good leg and Gibson was not 100% .. plus we were up 10-0 and with a few questionable calls we trailed .

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[quote=Number44;1272148]So that's a "no" you don't realize it. Well, you are. The WFT won the NFC East. That isn't saying much, but they earned it. This crap you are currently spewing on our site isn't befitting. I've not seen you be respectful before, which is why I asked if you even realized it. To pretend that the WFT defense didn't respond and stop Hurts in the second half is just a false narrative that discredits their efforts.[/quote]

18 plays and 48 yards of offense on Hurts' three second half possessions. That's probable cause...

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If this was Washington doing it, nobody would give a fuck. Tired of hearing about this

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We won 5 out of our last 7. Scored more than the Giants and gave up less than them. They beat us twice yes but they were not the better team if we had Smith playing both games. Hell we went for 2 instead of going to Ot with them in Ny. There is no doubt if Alex was healthy all year they would have won at-least 8 games. Haskins was god awful in that 1-5 stretch

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We did much better than I thought we would. We are heading in the direction. Just need Qb and a few other pieces to be really competitive

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Someone needs to explain to Chase Young about motivating the next opponent by running off at the mouth.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1272149]I could give a shit less about the Giants, and I am thrilled to hell that the WFT won the division. I wish Hurts had played the whole game though. Whatever, if Pederson made that decision before the game started, then so be it. It's his team. They had nothing to prove to anyone, nothing to play for, and don't owe anyone outside of that team anything. I will say though, that it didn't appear from Jalen's reaction on the sideline and post game press conference, that the "plan" was communicated to him. Maybe it was...[/quote]

I’d just tell the Giants if they hadn’t sucked all year they wouldn’t have had to depend on other teams.....

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[quote=Ruhskins;1272007]Wholeheartedly agree with this.

Also, people forget how much Mara screwed over our team with the salary cap punishment. [B]So F the Giants.[/B][/quote]

This.

Cowboys, Giants, Eagles - my NFCE rankings of who I hate the most. Hope Mara and the Giants kick rocks until I die.

Forget who said it but that media member who said the Giants should've came up with a gameplan for the playoffs that involved winning more than 6 games this year - he nailed it lol.

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[quote=oldfan;1272157]Someone needs to explain to Chase Young about motivating the next opponent by running off at the mouth.[/quote]

I volunteer you. Tell 'em oldfan.

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[quote=Giantone;1272142]Spin how ever you want to feel better. You might want to read a few of my post's before you try that discredit shit with me.[/quote]

Take the L G1

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[quote=oldfan;1272157]Someone needs to explain to Chase Young about motivating the next opponent by running off at the mouth.[/quote]

Just curious how you feel about [URL="https://twitter.com/michaelpRTD/status/1346134681557884932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1346134681557884932%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2021%2F1%2F4%2F22213392%2Fron-rivera-presser-i-want-guys-that-love-playing-football-not-guys-that-love-being-football-players"]Ron Rivera's response[/URL] to Chase yapping.

Hard to disagree imo.

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[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-all-rookie-team-chargers-justin-herbert-qb-vikings-justin-jefferson-washington-chase-young[/url]

Kam Curl and Chase Young made PFF's All-Rookie team, Kam Curl was the highest graded safety too despite only starting since week 9.

Got damn, I just can't see a scenario where we don't get rid of Landon Collins this offseason.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1272090]Oline was the big surprise this year. Lucas and Schweitzer were big time pick ups for this team. Moses and Schreff returned to form. Seems like the system and coaching is working for this squad[/QUOTE]



Definitely the biggest surprise. Well Logan too but we are talking about an entire unit that seems to be getting better and better.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1272109]you can’t start Heniken...



Alex has earned it and the team has rallied around him and he has inspired the team to give it their all.



Absolutely no way you sit Alex. Culture folks.



I do think if Alex gets behind and also struggles then it’s appropriate to bring in the Amsterdam Pilsner[/QUOTE]



The question is how long do you wait if you see what you saw last night? This isn’t the Eagles and this isn’t Hurts or Sudfeld.
Do you let Brady get up 14 points? 20? Do you pull Smith immediately if he looks like he did last night? Hopefully he doesn’t but that is the whole conundrum.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1272115]Not a good look for the Eagles , , there is talk of taking their #1 pick as a punishment. You can't say your #1 priority is winning and then pull your QB to see if the #3 guy is any good in a regular season game.[/QUOTE]



Well technically he was the number two last night and over Hurts last 20 drives he has been near the worst in the league. So he could make the case he was trying to win. They will never lose a pick over that. Nor should they.
These same Giants fans were upset when they beat the Redskins in a useless game and couldn’t draft Chase Young, and now they are upset because the Eagles didn’t win a useless game. Lol.

All that being said it was a real head scratcher. However ..... who cares? They should have won 7. We should have taken you to OT instead of going for two. Im trying to put myself in your shoes and I would always come back to “ you want something done right? Do it yourself.” I would hate Pederson but I would totally blame my own team.

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Whine, whine, whine!!!

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